Hi Sherry, OK, then she is actually Lillie Elizabeth EVANS, widow of Aaron WHITAKER (b. 1-9-1852, d. 2-15-1919). She was the only child of Tison (Tyson) EVANS and Elizabeth Lucinda NICHOLSON who are buried at Hogan's Creek Primitive Baptist Church. Appreciate the offer on the monument, but I'm familiar with the area since I'm often up there looking for and documenting cemeteries. I've surveyed the burials of several cemeteries in Surry and I'll be up there in the next week or so to do the surveys of Siloam Baptist and Siloam UMC. I've got several ancestors there myself. Am still clueless as to the VASO (VASSO) name on the death record and thought she may have remarried after Aaron's death but I don't see a record of it. Thanks for the offer! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike & Sherry Poindexter" <spriversedge@yadtel.net> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] VASSO and WHITAKER surnames > Bob, Lillie Whitaker was the widow of Aaron Whitaker, not Onan Whitaker.I > live within a mile of Siloam Baptist Church and will look at the monument > if > you would like for verification. > Thanks, > Sherry Poindexter > East Bend, NC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Carter" <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> > To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com>; "NCForsyth" <NCFORSYT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:18 PM > Subject: [NCSURRY] VASSO and WHITAKER surnames > > >> Have a death record (Bk 27, page 321) for a Lillie E. VASSO WHITAKER, >> widow of Onan WHITAKER. She was b. 4-4-1868 in Surry County and d. >> 4-25-1941 in Siloam and is buried at Siloam Baptist Church. Shows her >> parents as Lillie E. VASO and Lucinda WHITAKER. >> >> >> >> I have no clue as to who these WHITAKER names are or who they are >> connected to, but the name VASSO is odd for Surry County. Might be an >> Italian name since some early stone cutters at the granite quarry in Mt. >> Airy were from Italy. One name is FOPEANA (Fo Pee Ah Na) and they are >> connected to my RING lines. >> >> >> >> Would appreciate any information on the VASSO and WHITAKER connection. >> >> >> >> Bob Carter >> >> Greensboro, NC >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, this is what I found out from monument and I have been researching the Whitakers for a couple months now. Lillie Evans Whitaker born-4-4-1868 died 4-24-1941. Aaron Whitaker born-Jan.9-1852 died-Feb. 16-1919. Sam Aaron Whitaker born 1906- died Nov. 6-1980. This is their son. In the 1910 census. Aaron and Lillie are listed with this (Cushey)family. I will check with the Whitaker family on this name(Cushey) Could not come up with anything on Vasso. the closest I could get was Cisso and Viola Cushey living with this family. Surry Co. 1910 Jennie W. cushey 50 Christina E. cushey 47 Earnest Cushey 18 Sidney F. cushey 16 Cisso cushey 12 Viola Cushey 10 Jessie M. Cushey 9 Paul Cushey 7 Mildred cushey 5 Aaron Whitaker 58 Lillie E. Whitaker 42 Nina E. whitaker 19 daisy Ed Whitaker 16 Opal g. (Gertrude) Whitaker 9 Aaron 3 (This is Sam A.) Lanlindy evans 50 There is also a C. Asbury Whitaker buried beside of them. Aug. 29,1887 July 19, 1958 When I find out more I will keep you posted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carter" <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com>; "NCForsyth" <NCFORSYT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] VASSO and WHITAKER surnames > Have a death record (Bk 27, page 321) for a Lillie E. VASSO WHITAKER, > widow of Onan WHITAKER. She was b. 4-4-1868 in Surry County and d. > 4-25-1941 in Siloam and is buried at Siloam Baptist Church. Shows her > parents as Lillie E. VASO and Lucinda WHITAKER. > > > > I have no clue as to who these WHITAKER names are or who they are > connected to, but the name VASSO is odd for Surry County. Might be an > Italian name since some early stone cutters at the granite quarry in Mt. > Airy were from Italy. One name is FOPEANA (Fo Pee Ah Na) and they are > connected to my RING lines. > > > > Would appreciate any information on the VASSO and WHITAKER connection. > > > > Bob Carter > > Greensboro, NC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Bob, Lillie Whitaker was the widow of Aaron Whitaker, not Onan Whitaker.I live within a mile of Siloam Baptist Church and will look at the monument if you would like for verification. Thanks, Sherry Poindexter East Bend, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carter" <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com>; "NCForsyth" <NCFORSYT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] VASSO and WHITAKER surnames > Have a death record (Bk 27, page 321) for a Lillie E. VASSO WHITAKER, > widow of Onan WHITAKER. She was b. 4-4-1868 in Surry County and d. > 4-25-1941 in Siloam and is buried at Siloam Baptist Church. Shows her > parents as Lillie E. VASO and Lucinda WHITAKER. > > > > I have no clue as to who these WHITAKER names are or who they are > connected to, but the name VASSO is odd for Surry County. Might be an > Italian name since some early stone cutters at the granite quarry in Mt. > Airy were from Italy. One name is FOPEANA (Fo Pee Ah Na) and they are > connected to my RING lines. > > > > Would appreciate any information on the VASSO and WHITAKER connection. > > > > Bob Carter > > Greensboro, NC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ironic--------There must have been a lot of that going on around the turn of the century in 1900. The fact is, those people, started making legal "spirits". Then Big Brother stopped them and took away their livelihood. A lot of people were starving and losing everything they had. That caused lots of people in Wilkes and Yadkin County to migrate to other cities to find a job and seek shelter and food to keep their families together. I do not know the John Cheek mentioned in the web page we read. However, I did in fact have a great uncle in Yadkin County,in the Knobs twn., who did kill a man at a still, over a money issue. He was sentenced to 17 years in prison and actually served about 12 years and was pardoned. He came back to Brooks Cross Roads, opened a barber shop and had a very successful business for several years. That is one of my missing pieces of a puzzle, in that I cannot find his first wife, Lulu Hubbard. I found his second wife, Cordia Chambers. I also found his son by his first wife, Lulu Hubbard, John Marvin Cheek. Someday, I hope to find ,Lulu. In a message dated 2/28/2008 1:54:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hdalecook@aol.com writes: I know of two brothers in Surry Co. that shot and killed a tinner in the early 1900s. A tinner was a person that fabricated or repaired whiskey stills. The problem was this particular tinner would work on stills and then turn his clients into the sheriff. This tinner was supposedly?killed by the brothers.?The brothers were arrested, convicted in Surry and executed Raleigh. Dale Cook ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I know of two brothers in Surry Co. that shot and killed a tinner in the early 1900s. A tinner was a person that fabricated or repaired whiskey stills. The problem was this particular tinner would work on stills and then turn his clients into the sheriff. This tinner was supposedly?killed by the brothers.?The brothers were arrested, convicted in Surry and executed Raleigh. Dale Cook

Thank you. Your story, together with the article in this quarter's newsletter, leads me to conclude that a blockader is a bootlegger. I guess the code of the hills was "you don't mess with a man's coon dog or his still." I had a relative whose dog bit the sheriff, the sheriff shot the dog, and the relative shot the sheriff. And people think life in the hills was boring :-) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

What is the line that takes a man from "Citizen" to "Blockader"? Last week's post "_Chatham Blockader Shot_ (http://chathamrabbit.blogspot.com/2007/09/chatham-blockader-shot-1913.html) " told the violent story of the "noted blockader of Bear Creek township named John Cheek," who ran afoul of the sheriff of Moore County over 1500 gallons of illegal beer. Armed with a Winchester rifle, Cheek fired on the sheriff and his deputies; himself shot, he lay wounded under guard while the sheriff went for help. This is a story of John Cheek. It might help explain blockader ? tom cheek walnut cove, nc In a message dated 2/26/2008 9:28:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RomaineSP@aol.com writes: In today's SGC newsletter, there is a story of the murder of a man in the early 1900's by his neighbors, called blockaders in this news account. In this context, could someone tell me what a blockader was? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

In today's SGC newsletter, there is a story of the murder of a man in the early 1900's by his neighbors, called blockaders in this news account. In this context, could someone tell me what a blockader was? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Have a death record (Bk 27, page 321) for a Lillie E. VASSO WHITAKER, widow of Onan WHITAKER. She was b. 4-4-1868 in Surry County and d. 4-25-1941 in Siloam and is buried at Siloam Baptist Church. Shows her parents as Lillie E. VASO and Lucinda WHITAKER. I have no clue as to who these WHITAKER names are or who they are connected to, but the name VASSO is odd for Surry County. Might be an Italian name since some early stone cutters at the granite quarry in Mt. Airy were from Italy. One name is FOPEANA (Fo Pee Ah Na) and they are connected to my RING lines. Would appreciate any information on the VASSO and WHITAKER connection. Bob Carter Greensboro, NC

Hi all. I have added several North Carolina sources to my webpage, which I can do free lookups from. To see the North Carolina items I have which I can do free lookups from, go to my webpage at www.digginbones.com . Click the "Free Lookups" link on the left side of the page. Then click the "N.Carolina Lookups" link. I also have a few early North Carolina records I have transcribed, which may be of interest to some. To see those, click the "Records on Site" link from the main page. There, you will see links to some Rowan, Surry and Stokes county records which I have transcribed and placed on my webpage. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 Many Free Genealogy Lookups www.digginbones.com

Go to this website and click on "play" to watch the counties form in NC. Very interesting. http://www.mynorthcarolinagenealogy.com/nc_maps/nc_cf.htm

No matter what the site says I have searched one family that came into Surry, next record as being in Wilkes and then when they died they were still on the same land in Stokes Co, NC. So take it for what its worth and if I were searching for my relatives in that area I would look in all three counties. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Harris To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Surry-Stokes Records >First there was Surry, Then Wilkes was split out from Surry, Then >Stokes was split out from Surry and Wilkes. Stokes was not formed from Wilkes, only from what remained of Surry after Wilkes was already formed. Surry is between Wilkes and Stokes. The series of county formation maps that were mentioned in an earlier message are tremendously helpful when dealing with this part of NC in this period. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm Compare the maps from 1760 (when this whole area was part of Rowan Co.) to 1800 for the early divisions that created Surry, Wilkes and Stokes, and then the 1850 map showing these counties as they are today, together with Yadkin and Forsyth which were formed from the southern portions of Surry and Stokes respectively. -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/ HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>First there was Surry, Then Wilkes was split out from Surry, Then >Stokes was split out from Surry and Wilkes. Stokes was not formed from Wilkes, only from what remained of Surry after Wilkes was already formed. Surry is between Wilkes and Stokes. The series of county formation maps that were mentioned in an earlier message are tremendously helpful when dealing with this part of NC in this period. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm Compare the maps from 1760 (when this whole area was part of Rowan Co.) to 1800 for the early divisions that created Surry, Wilkes and Stokes, and then the 1850 map showing these counties as they are today, together with Yadkin and Forsyth which were formed from the southern portions of Surry and Stokes respectively. -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/ HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/

First there was Surry, Then Wilkes was split out from Surry, Then Stokes was split out from Surry and Wilkes. So you have to look in all three counties to get all the possible information sources at NC Archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: bradbury@acsalaska.net To: NCSURRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [NCSURRY] Surry-Stokes Records I need some information about where to search for records of families who lived along the Dan River and appear to have been in Surry Co. then Stokes but never moved. For the part of Stokes that was taken from Surry, are the records, prior to formation of Stokes, be in Surry or were they transferred to Stokes? The family I am researching was in that area probably as early as 1770. Does anyone know what records the State Archives would have that might help me. If this list is a busy one, please email me privately at bradbury@acsalaska.net . Thanks. Connie Btradbury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>You might want to check Wilkes Co., NC also as Stokes was formed >from both Surry and Wilkes Co., NC. No. Wilkes was formed from the western part of Surry in 1778. Stokes was formed from the eastern part of Surry in 1789. The remaining section, between Wilkes and Stokes, remained Surry until 1850, at which point its southern portion became Yadkin Co. Perhaps you're thinking of Rowan County rather than Wilkes? Surry (including present-day Wilkes, Stokes and several other counties) was formed from Rowan in 1770. -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/ HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/

There were several counties that came from Surry's original territory. I went over that list in a message several days ago. Again, it would be good to bookmark this page: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm) for future reference. Katherine **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

You might want to check Wilkes Co., NC also as Stokes was formed from both Surry and Wilkes Co., NC. I had a case where I traced a person through all 3 counties and he ended up in Stokes. ----- Original Message ----- From: KDBenbow@aol.com To: ncsurry@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Surry-Stokes Records No, Surry records pertaining to land that became part of Stokes County would not be transferred to Stokes. If the land in question was under Surry's jurisdiction, then you need to look in Surry records for the time period concerned. That's one of the reasons that knowing the county formation dates is so crucial. I gave that website in a posting several days ago. It's on the Catawba County NCGenWeb site. North Carolina State Archives: _http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/_ (http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/) The website has a reasonable list of what their holdings are, posted on the website. Katherine **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for this pertinent information. It has enlightened me greatly! Yvonne Hdanw@aol.com wrote: For those persons who did not have birth records [a novelty in all but a handful of states! We southerners lose out] until the 20th century, we have to use some estimates. These guidelines were given a long ago genealogical lecture, and they have generally [note that word] helped me come up with an estimated birth date when I don't have a date from a census or other source. In North Carolina and in Virginia, and probably in other southern states, a young man was eligible for the militia at age 16. That's why we seek militia lists, especially in colonial days. (I note that such lists frequently occur in the Journals of the North Carolina Genealogical Society, but probably not for every county.) A man may have married the first time [always keep in mind he/she may have had multiple marriages] at approximately age 26. By that time, he probably has acquired some land to support a wife and family. A woman could get married at any age, but generally at age 14 or older. However, always consider that she, too, may have had multiple marriages!!! I have a couple of females in my family history who had four husbands!!! (Deeds and other documents help out here.) The first baby could come at any time!!! Death could come at any time. For females, it may have been after the birth of a child--or the birth of twins. Lots of deaths were due to drowning. The horses could not always cross a flooding river or creek. Another thought to keep in mind: If a surviving child or children were in line to inherit property, particularly land, from a deceased parent or a grandparent, there probably was a guardianship--to preserve the property--not the child's health. A child in general over age 14 could choose his or her own guardian. (Watch those court records!) I am sure others on this list can add some guidelines for estimating a person's age--other than the later censuses!! The county clerks did not keep records for us genealogists. But we use their records a lot. That is why the Family History Library in Salt Lake City is filled with thousands, nay, millions of films of official records. E.W.Wallace **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

No, Surry records pertaining to land that became part of Stokes County would not be transferred to Stokes. If the land in question was under Surry's jurisdiction, then you need to look in Surry records for the time period concerned. That's one of the reasons that knowing the county formation dates is so crucial. I gave that website in a posting several days ago. It's on the Catawba County NCGenWeb site. North Carolina State Archives: _http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/_ (http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/) The website has a reasonable list of what their holdings are, posted on the website. Katherine **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Thanks, Katherine. That is was I assumed. I've been working with land descriptions and geographical survey maps trying to identify where all my families lived. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: <KDBenbow@aol.com> To: <ncsurry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NCSURRY] Surry-Stokes Records > No, Surry records pertaining to land that became part of Stokes County > would > not be transferred to Stokes. If the land in question was under Surry's > jurisdiction, then you need to look in Surry records for the time period > concerned. That's one of the reasons that knowing the county formation > dates is so > crucial. I gave that website in a posting several days ago. It's on the > Catawba County NCGenWeb site. > > North Carolina State Archives: > _http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/_ > (http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/) > The website has a reasonable list of what their holdings are, posted on > the > website. > > Katherine > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCSURRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message