I want to give the URL's for a couple of good home pages I mentioned giving lots of surnames & great links to follow up on for those who are interested. The Jarvis Family Home Page for the Helsabeck name plus many others is http://www.erols.com/fmoran/helsabk.html The Shouse House Home Page is as follows: http://www.xnet.com/~mkshouse/shouse/index.htm#toc Marilyn