I am looking for Information on This Family. Can anyone make a connection here and help me with the Parents of Andrew or where his Cemetery plot is. Thank you.Andrew's wife Harriet Jewell is the sister of John Jewel that married Alpha Jane Mabe from Stokes Co. also Jewell that married George Priddy. also from Stokes Co Descendants of Andrew Howard 1 Andrew Howard b: 1821 in ?? Walnut Cove, Nc d: July 1887 in ?? Walnut Cove, Nc . +Harriett Jewel b: 1825 in MCVA m: December 22, 1842 in Montgomery, Virginia d: March 1879 in MCVA ..... 2 Amanda J Howard b: 1843 ..... 2 Sarah E Howard b: 1846 ..... 2 Harriet J Howard b: 1847 ..... 2 Priscilla A Howard b: 1852 ..... 2 Mary Ellen Howard b: 1854 ..... 2 Hugh Howard b: 1857 ..... 2 Emma Virginia Howard b: 1858 ..... 2 William Thomas Howard Sr b: December 25, 1859 in Montgomery Co Va d: September 22, 1948 in Montgomery Co Va Howard Family Cemetery Riner Va ......... +Anne Susan Hatcher b: October 14, 1874 d: October 01, 1957 in Riner Va ..... *2nd Wife of William Thomas Howard Sr: ......... +Emma Winfrey b: February 12, 1868 in Montgomery Co Va m: March 03, 1887 in Montgomery Co Va d: June 04, 1928 in Montgomery Co Va Howard Family Cemetery Riner Any help on any members of these families will be greatly appreciated. Descendants of Deborah J. Jewel 1 Deborah J. Jewel b: April 17, 1830 in Montgomery, Virginia d: July 30, 1907 . +Josephus Shelton b: Abt. 1825 m: November 28, 1858 in Stokes Co., Nc d: Bef. 1877 This couple was married in Stokes Co. I know nothing else on them. Descendants of John R. Jewel 1 John R. Jewel b: Abt. 1828 in Montgomery, Virginia d: April 18, 1884 . +Alpha Jane Mabe b: 1843 m: August 15, 1876 in Stokes Co. Nc Were there any Children Here? Descendants of Priscilla Jewel 1 Priscilla Jewel b: Abt. 1839 in Montgomery, Virginia d: Bef. 1877 . +George H. Priddy b: January 05, 1843 in StokesCo. Nc m: March 07, 1862 in StokesCo. Nc ..... 2 Jewell Grant Priddy b: May 08, 1868 ......... +Sarah Elizabeth Stevens m: September 08, 1888 ..... 2 Murphy Priddy b: November 18, 1868 ......... +Wesley Morefield Researching ThomasJEWELL,William HATCHER, AndrewHOWARD, AsaHALL, Sarah FARLEY, James GRAHAM, George BOOTHE, any HICKLIN, William GREEN,Thurman BAXTER,John "the settler" BISHOP, Ezra COLLINS, William CUNNINGHAM, Clarence SMITH, Pierce BOYER, Christopher TYNAN, Georg (Dresher)THRASHER , Sarah COX, anyOBENCHAIN,any AKERS, Emra ALTIZER,Henry VANOVER [email protected] [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/files/cem2.htm http://members.bellatlantic.net/~scotnroa/Barb/floyd.html

Denise, By all means go to the Moravian Christmas Celebration. If it is like the one we have in Clemmons, NC, it is a Candle light Love Feast. The whole service is full of music. A bun and coffee (which is boiled not brewed) is served while the music is sung. At the end of the service, everyone is give a lighted candle for the final song. It is very moving and a definite MUST on our Christmas Eve list. The church here also has a children's Love Feast the Sunday before Christmas where lemonade is served instead of coffee and the children's choir does a lot of the singing.

>Speaking of Moravian....what are the contemporary beliefs? My father's >family was >from Stokes and Forsythe, my mother's Rockingham, Caswell, and Guilford. >I have >driven through Germantown a few times. Rather than try to write a long explanation myself for the list, I recommend the following links (from Susan Schlack's page): http://www.moravian.org/ http://home.ptd.net/~boddie/moravians.html I'll be happy to talk about the Moravians at more length by private e-mail also. Elizabeth Harris [email protected] state coordinator for NCGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Hi everyone, The Moravian Church is a mainstream Protestant church, very similar to the Lutheran Church. In fact, the man who renewed the church in Germany, Count Zinzendorf, was a Lutheran. Moravian traditions such as the Lovefeast, the Moravian Star, and the Putz (among others) are explained by Jim Boddie. Mr. Boddie has done a very good summary of Moravian history, beliefs, customs and practices with a bibliography. This is the second link on Moravian Church Genealogy Links at http://www.enter.net/~smschlack . Susan Schlack Bethlehem, PA

http://www.moravian.org/history.htm http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch07480 http://members.aol.com/rosenb1/bethabara.html - This site is being updated. Here are some links to tell you a little about us Moravian. I am a member of Bethabara Moravian Church, located in the Old Town area of Winston-Salem. This church is very rich in the history of Forsyth and Stokes County. We will be 250 years old in the year 2003. The records of the Moravians are at the Reynolda Library and are available by loan. These are great books to learn about our area. My personal web page is at http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/c/a/captreb/ It has my family history as well as what a Moravian is. I have also put information about the Candle Lovefeast and what its meaning is. Jo Beth Holland Boyles

Good Morning! Speaking of Moravian....what are the contemporary beliefs? My father's family was from Stokes and Forsythe, my mother's Rockingham, Caswell, and Guilford. I have driven through Germantown a few times. My sister lives in Reidsville and she called me yesterday to invite me to the Christmas celebration at the Moravian church in Stokes on the 19th. I am in grad school at a Christian University but have never studied Moravian. All my Mom's and Dad's folks were Presbyterian/Scots-Irish. Help the dummy here okay? Denise Wood > Did your ancestors start out in Bohemia, Moravia, Germany or England and > wind up in Pennsylvania and then Maryland or North Carolina? Please visit > Moravian Church Genealogy Links at http://www.enter.net/~smschlack You > might find your immigrant among the 400 that came over with the Moravians. > Have fun! > Susan Schlack > Bethlehem, PA > > I'd like to add my endorsement for Susan's excellent site. There are some > very good links on it to individual church pages, Pennsylvania information, > cemetery records, etc. > > One thing I'd like to add, however - having grown up as a member of the > Moravian Church, I had always assumed that my ancestors who ended up in the > Stokes/Forsyth Co. area *came from* Moravia. I was wrong! It turns out > nearly all of them came from either Alsace or Switzerland, were initially > Lutherans or German Reformed, and joined the Moravian church either shortly > before leaving Europe, or after their arrival in Pennsylvania. > > Susan's page includes a link to my cousin Faye Moran's home page, but I'll > put in another plug for it here: > > http://www.erols.com/fmoran/ > > We have lots of information on families in this area, not just the > Moravians, and are always happy to add more.

I need some help filling in gaps in the family - kids and grandkids - of Joseph and Elizabeth Shouse Spainhour. My questions/info needs are noted in the following text by >>> signs. I descend from their daughter Anna Susannah. Thanks so very much. John Speight Family of Joseph and Elizabeth Shouse Spainhour Generation No. 1 1. Joseph7 Spainhour (John Jacob6 Spanhauer, Jacobus Wernhardt5 Spainhour, Wernhardt4 Spanhauer, Wernhardt3, Hans2, Arbogast1) was born May 31, 1778 in Dalton, Surry Co, North Carolina, and died May 25, 1852 in Dalton, Stokes Co, North Carolina. He married Elizabeth Shouse November 16, 1801 in Stokes Co, North Carolina, daughter of Daniel Schauss and Catharina Fessler. Children of Joseph Spainhour and Elizabeth Shouse are: + 2 i. John Jacob8 Spainhour, born December 09, 1804; died in Stokes Co, North Carolina. >>> see Generation 2 below. 3 ii. Catherine Elisabeth Spainhour, born October 10, 1807 >> Where?; died Abt. 1846>>> Where?. She married Jacob Fulk >>> when? Where? His parents? His dates? His places?. Their children? 4 iii. Daniel Spainhour, born September 18, 1810>>>where?. He married Sarah Gregg>>> when? Where? Her parents? Her dates? Their children?. + 5 iv. Anna Susannah Spainhour, born January 02, 1814 in Stokes Co, North Carolina; died Aft. 1880 in Surry Co, North Carolina?. >>> My line of descent. I have this info. 6 v. Maria Justine Spainhour, born June 09, 1818>>>where?; died 1890. She married William Fiedler>>> where? When? His parents? His dates? Their children?. + 7 vi. William A. Spainhour, born December 09, 1821 in Stokes Co, North Carolina; died October 31, 1895. >>> I have this info. Generation No. 2 2. John Jacob8 Spainhour (Joseph7, John Jacob6 Spanhauer, Jacobus Wernhardt5 Spainhour, Wernhardt4 Spanhauer, Wernhardt3, Hans2, Arbogast1) was born December 09, 1804, and died in Stokes Co, North Carolina. He married (1) Mary Ann Miller. >>> her dates? Her parents? He married (2) Anna Catharina Pfaff February 15, 1836 in Stokes Co, North Carolina, daughter of Peter Pfaff and Anna Conrad. Child of John Spainhour and Mary Miller is: 8 i. Alexander A.9 Spainhour, born 1831. >>> Where? Spouse? Children of John Spainhour and Anna Pfaff are: 9 i. Florina9 Spainhour, born 1836.>>> Where? Spouse? 10 ii. Sanford Spainhour, born 1838.>>> Where? Spouse? 11 iii. Peter Spainhour, born 1840.>>> Where? Spouse? 12 iv. William Spainhour, born 1842.>>> Where? Spouse?

Who were the parents and siblings of the Isaac Fulk in the family below? Thanks. John Speight Family of Isaac Fulk 1. Isaac Fulk was born 1810 in Stokes Co, NC. When did he die? Who were his parents and his siblings? He married Elisabeth Spainhour October 01, 1834 in Stokes Co, NC, daughter of Jacob Spaenhauer and Susanna Reich. Dates for birth and death of Elizabeth? Children of Isaac Fulk and Elisabeth Spainhour are: 2 i. William A.2 Fulk, born 1839 in Stokes Co, NC; died 1862. 3 ii. Martha W. Fulk, born 1841 in Stokes Co, NC. 4 iii. Columbus E. Fulk, born 1845 in Stokes Co, NC. 5 iv. James M. Fulk, born 1847 in Stokes Co, NC. 6 v. Lucita Fulk, born 1850 in Stokes Co, NC. 7 vi. Elizabeth Fulk, born 1853 in Stokes Co, NC. 8 vii. Alexander Fulk, born May 09, 1858 in Stokes Co, NC; died April 24, 1921 in Mt. Airy, Surry Co, NC. He married Emily J. Martin February 01, 1873 in Stokes Co, NC.

>Did your ancestors start out in Bohemia, Moravia, Germany or England and >wind up in Pennsylvania and then Maryland or North Carolina? Please visit >Moravian Church Genealogy Links at http://www.enter.net/~smschlack You >might find your immigrant among the 400 that came over with the Moravians. >Have fun! >Susan Schlack >Bethlehem, PA I'd like to add my endorsement for Susan's excellent site. There are some very good links on it to individual church pages, Pennsylvania information, cemetery records, etc. One thing I'd like to add, however - having grown up as a member of the Moravian Church, I had always assumed that my ancestors who ended up in the Stokes/Forsyth Co. area *came from* Moravia. I was wrong! It turns out nearly all of them came from either Alsace or Switzerland, were initially Lutherans or German Reformed, and joined the Moravian church either shortly before leaving Europe, or after their arrival in Pennsylvania. Susan's page includes a link to my cousin Faye Moran's home page, but I'll put in another plug for it here: http://www.erols.com/fmoran/ We have lots of information on families in this area, not just the Moravians, and are always happy to add more. Elizabeth Harris [email protected] state coordinator for NCGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Dear Researchers, Did your ancestors start out in Bohemia, Moravia, Germany or England and wind up in Pennsylvania and then Maryland or North Carolina? Please visit Moravian Church Genealogy Links at http://www.enter.net/~smschlack You might find your immigrant among the 400 that came over with the Moravians. Have fun! Susan Schlack Bethlehem, PA

John Speight wrote: < Need help in filling in gaps - dates, places and people for the descendants of Johannes Volck/Fulk and Anna Hartmann. See following text. Thanks. John Speight > John, I, also, am looking for FULK from Stokes County, NC. My direct line gggrandfather, LEVI "Jerry" FULK, b. 1822 Pfafftown, Stokes Co, NC. A cousin of my mother said his parents were DANIEL FULK, b. 1789 Pfafftown, Stokes Cp, NC and MARIA M BOOZE and Daniels's parents were JOHN ADAM FULK, b. 1753 Allemanngel, Northampton Co, PA and MARIA SARAH MOSIER John Adam's parents were ANDREAS VOLK/FULK, b. 1722 New York and MARIA ROMIG. Do you have anything on this line? Thank you for your time. Sara Hemp

Is there anyone that can look-up the 1850 Forsyth County census? I found a MARGARET BOWEN 1501/1517 in an index. I believe she is the mother of YANCEY ANCEL/ANSEL BOWEN. Thanks, Cathy

Need help in filling in gaps - dates, places and people for the descendants of Johannes Volck/Fulk and Anna Hartmann. See following text. Thanks. John Speight Descendants of Johannes Volck Generation No. 1 1. Johannes3 Volck (Andreas2, Andreas1) was born September 22, 1758 in Allemangel, Northampton Co, Pennsylvania, and died Abt. 1806. He married Anna Maria Hartmann. Notes for Johannes Volck: Speculation that Joseph and Jacob were brothers. More About Johannes Volck: Fact 1: In 1790 census for Stokes Co, NC. Children of Johannes Volck and Anna Hartmann are: 2 i. Henry4 Volck, born 1786. 3 ii. Anna Maria Volck, born 1788. + 4 iii. Anna Catherine Fulk, born August 30, 1791 in Stokes Co, North Carolina; died September 04, 1865 in Iowa. + 5 iv. Jacob L. Fulk, born 1792 in North Carolina. 6 v. Maria Magdalena Volck, born 1793. 7 vi. Johann Adam Fulk, born April 29, 1795; died November 1851 in Jasper Co, Missouri. He married (1) Elizabeth Carmichael July 17, 1820 in Surry Co, North Carolina. He married (2) Nancy Chelton July 31, 1838 in Owen Co, Indiana. More About Johann Adam Fulk: Fact 1: In 1820 census Stokes Co, NC Fact 2: Bought 49 acres Federal land Owen Co, IN on Aug 1, 1839. More About Elizabeth Carmichael: Fact 1: Had 7 children w/ Adam before her death. Who were those children? + 8 vii. Joseph Fulk, born 1799 in North Carolina; died Aft. 1850 in Surry Co, North Carolina?. 9 viii. Johanna Volck, born 1800. 10 ix. Jacob Fulk, born 1803. 11 x. Peter Fulk, born 1806. Generation No. 2 4. Anna Catherine4 Fulk (Johannes3 Volck, Andreas2, Andreas1) was born August 30, 1791 in Stokes Co, North Carolina, and died September 04, 1865 in Iowa. She married John Helsabeck August 12, 1814 in Stokes Co, North Carolina, son of Jacob Helsabeck and Eva Fiscus. More About John Helsabeck: Fact 1: Patented 40A August 1, 1837 in Owen Co, IN. Children of Anna Fulk and John Helsabeck are: 12 i. David Wesley5 Helsabeck, born 1819; died 1905. He married Martha E. Carmichael. 13 ii. Elias Helsabeck. 14 iii. Mary Eliza Helsabeck. 15 iv. William Henry Helsabeck. 16 v. Elisabeth S. Helsabeck. 17 vi. Susan Helsabeck. 18 vii. Catherine R. Helsabeck. 19 viii. John Benjamin Helsabeck. 20 ix. Pamelia Helsabeck. 5. Jacob L.4 Fulk (Johannes3 Volck, Andreas2, Andreas1) was born 1792 in North Carolina. He married Tabitha Ashburn. Children of Jacob Fulk and Tabitha Ashburn are: 21 i. Anne5 Fulk. She married Isaac Whitaker. 22 ii. Elizabeth Fulk. She married Pleasant Evans. 23 iii. James Fulk, born 1817 in Surry Co, North Carolina. He married Ellen J. Unk. 24 iv. Joel Fulk, born 1821 in Surry Co, North Carolina; died May 23, 1895 in Deron, Surry Co, North Carolina. He married Mary "Polly" Stone February 22, 1844 in Surry Co, North Carolina. More About Joel Fulk: Fact 1: Buried at Whitaker's Chapel Meth. Ch., Deron, Surry Co, NC. More About Mary "Polly" Stone: Fact 1: Buried at Whitaker's Chapel Meth. Ch., Deron, Surry Co, NC. 25 v. Bryson Fulk, born April 15, 1824 in Pilot Mountain, Surry Co, North Carolina; died November 1904. He married Emaline "Emily" Stone October 12, 1846 in Surry Co, North Carolina. 26 vi. Wilson Fulk, born October 06, 1826; died August 21, 1896 in Deron, Surry Co, North Carolina. He married Mary Ann Taylor Flippin October 14, 1849 in Surry Co, North Carolina. More About Wilson Fulk: Fact 1: Buried at Whitaker's Chapel Meth. Ch., Deron, Surry Co, NC. More About Mary Ann Taylor Flippin: Fact 1: Buried at Whitaker's Chapel Meth. Ch., Deron, Surry Co, NC. 27 vii. Augustine Fulk, born 1829. He married Emily Key. 28 viii. Amitta Fulk, born 1831. 29 ix. Rebecca Fulk, born 1836. She married David Denny. 30 x. Malinda Fulk, born 1837. She married John Key. 31 xi. Aaron Fulk, born 1839. He married Sarah Denny. 32 xii. Emily Fulk, born 1841. She married James Boyles. 8. Joseph4 Fulk (Johannes3 Volck, Andreas2, Andreas1) was born 1799 in North Carolina, and died Aft. 1850 in Surry Co, North Carolina?. He married Drucilla Ashburn. Notes for Joseph Fulk: Children per 1850 census for Pilot District, Surry Co, NC. Martha A. Murphy age 10 was in the Fulk household in 1850. Who were her parents? Was Dracilla Fulk her aunt? Children of Joseph Fulk and Drucilla Ashburn are: 33 i. Andrew J.5 Fulk, born 1827. He married Julia A. Stone July 18, 1850 in Surry Co, North Carolina. Notes for Andrew J. Fulk: Need proof that this Andew is the one that married Julia A. Stone. Andrew's cousins, Joel, Wilson and Bryson married Stone girls. These Stones and Fulks lived in the Deron area west of Pilot Mt., NC on Hwy 268. Some of them are buried at Whitaker's Chapel Methodist Church Cemetery. 34 ii. Christian P. Fulk, born 1830. 35 iii. John W. Fulk, born 1833.

I am searching for information about the family of James Lyon, who moved to Stokes County from Pittsylvania and Henry Co.s, Virginia, about 1800. James appears to be a member of the LYON family which includes Humberston(e) and Stephen, and he appears to have named two of his sons after them. These men appear in the western counties of Virginia in the mid-1700s, but Stephen is "killed by Indians" on the Holsten River in 1754, which appears to be the stimulus for the family moving further inland to Pittsylvania County. James is an officer of the militia during the Revolution and holds many civic offices in both counties. He and his family moved to Stokes County, where he is said to have died in 1817. The Stokes County Heritage Book includes a family section (#652) written by Alice Tucker, which mentions this man and his ancestors and son, James, jr. I would be most interested in contacting researchers of this LYON family. I have a Lyon family in Caswell County, NC, that I suspect is connected to the southside Virginia family, but I cannot document it yet. I have long suspected an early connection to MD and New England Lyon folks, but the Heritage book is the first to state such a progression. I would be most grateful to anyone sharing even the smallest information about this family, either in Stokes County or their previous locations. I would be delighted to share the information I have about my branch of the family. Jane

Hi all, I am researching the WOODLIEF line and have come across connections in northwest Forsyth, southwest Stokes. This Woodlief is not a direct line of descent, so I am not following the associated surnames. Still, perhaps some of the information will help others, and might spark a clue for the Woodlief line. I have James E. WOODLIEF who married Mary Jane FLYNN, 28 Dec 1859 bond date. The couple had a daughter, Lucy Ann WOODLIEF, b. 19 Sept 1860. Apparently, Mary Jane (nee FLYNN) Woodlief remarried sometime prior to 1870 to a Jackson WALL (Possibly: H.A. Wall to Jane Woodly on 9/10/1866). Jane is shown as Jackson Wall's wife in the 1870 and 1880 Forsyth census, Old Richmond Township. There were three additional children - apparently of Mary Jane by Jackson Wall: Wright (b ca 1867), James R. (b ca 1868), Columbus (b ca 1871) and Caroline (b ca 1877). Lucy Ann WOODLIEF married 22 Feb. 1881 (license gotten 21 Feb).....the information on the license and subsequent marriage record shows: Lucy Ann Woodlieff of Bethania, NC age 20, color white, daughter of James Woodlieff and Jane Woodlieff, father dead and the mother living, resident of Bethania, NC; married to: Jonathan W. Speas of Bethania, NC age 24, color white, son of Israel G. Speas and M. E. Speas both living and residents of Bethania, NC; S. H. Helsabeck minister of M. E. Church (can't read next word after church...looks like South but I know that can't be correct) united in matrimony Jonathan W. Speas and Lucy Ann Woodleiff the parties licensed above on the 22nd day of February, 1881 at the house (near the house) [note...this is exactly what is on the license...both statements]...of S. H. Helsabeck in Bethania. Witnesses present at marriage: E. P. Vest (?) of Five Forks, NC O. A. Spainhower of Dalton, NC M. L. Helsabeck of Five Forks, NC Lucy Ann (nee Woodlief) Speas' death certificate shows: Date of Death: Aug 29, 1934 Age: 73yrs, 11 mos, 8 days DOB: Sept 19, 1860 Husband: J. W. Speas Birthplace: Forsyth Co, NC Father's Name: James Woodlieff Mothers Maiden Name: Mary Jane Flynn (Both parents' listed birth place as NC..nothing else) Informant was X. E. Speas Address of informant and deceased: Donnoha, NC Both Lucy and J.W. Speas are buried at Mt. Pleasant Methodist, 3.5 mi n/w of Tobaccoville, Forsyth Co. If anyone has any information that might help in tracking this James WOODLIEF, and determining who his parents were, I would greatly appreciate your help. Also note....this James WOODLIEF *MAY* be the same as a James Woodlief shown serving in the CSA, 33rd Inf, Co. I -- but I have not had a chance to check these records yet. Thanks, Sandy [email protected] Woodlief Family Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/woodlief/ > >

Hi List, Looking for ancestors of: Thomas Jeptha Maness born 1817 in NC? died in Decaturville, TN date unknown - Married Elizabeth ???? Children: Eliza 1843 Christiana 1845 Sarah M. 1847 John 1849 Elizabeth 1852 Nathan 1855 Lucy 1863 Charles 1866 Gabriel Scott 1867 (my gr gf) Thomas J. 1872 Ola Cates Humboldt, TN Visit the Horton Surname Resource Center at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/5925 Family Ties Are Forever http://www.intelcities.com/memory/tngal

Does anyone have access to the 1850 census for Stokes County that could look up the surname Ransom and send me the information. Appreciate any and all help. Marge Clark [email protected]

Today my husband and I visited the Throckmorton Family Cemetery off Moorefield Road on Little Snow Creek in Stokes County. It is in terrible shape. An old rotten tree has fallen across it, dislodging the tombstone of Elizabeth Law Throckmorton, my greatgrandmother. If something isn't done, this cemetery will be lost forever to the elements of time This is the cemetery where William Lipscomb Throckmorton, a CSA veteran, and his wife, Elizabeth Law Throckmorton are buried. His brother, Julius Hade Throckmorton and wife, Margaret Manring Throckmorton are also buried here. Their parents, James Throckmorton and Ailsey (Alice) Tilley are also reportedly buried here but there is no marker for them. These people have numerous decendants by the names of Nelsons, Stephens (Stevens), Priddys, Reids, Pruitts, Holts, Stanleys, Bullins, Joyces, Hicks, Glidewells....I could name many others. My problem is, how do we get some help in cleaning up this cemetery? Any suggestions and any volunteers? bnc

james meredith is the son of samuel an magat b. 1683 va. check gnwb or email e privately.

Sorry in advance,I need to know what list to unsubscribe from if webtv blocked them. Thank's Mary Candelier Mabe aka Showdown Homepage":http://members.tripod.com/~marymabe/" Surnames=Baker,Begier,Candelier,Crain,Flowers,Grimes,Johnson,Mabe,Picou,Stephens.