I for one am very proud of my Southern heritage and Southern ancestors. For your information the majority of the South did rise to support a cause they very much believed in. Almost every able bodied man took up arms and fought. I suggest you take a trip up to Chicago where the Union prison was located and just as many if not more men died of exposure and hunger. And I have spent days, weeks, and years studying the War Between the States. Let it also be known that Slavery did not end in some Northern States until after the War Between the States and that Lincoln was quoted as saying that Whites and Blacks could never live together and his master plan was to ship Blacks to Liberty (Liberia). Also that the last President who owned a slave was General Grant who said that, "Good help is hard to come by" and that General Sherman would have been a racist by todays standards. I have a newspaper article about one of my dearest friends great great grandfather. He was dragged by a horse, shot in the legs, and hung by Sherman's troops. He was a black Southerner. I also have pictures of a 1915 Confederate Reunion where blacks attended. Sir, I am against racism. My black friends call me the most liberal person they know. But I honor my ancestors and I am not ashamed of them. Of the five GGG grandfathers that and three GG grandfathers and 20 + cousins that fought for the South, none were slave owners. Most were Scots or Irish. Only 6.5 of Southern families owned slaves. And I always wondered that if the North fought to free slaves (which they didn't) why did New Jersey pass a law to forbid Slaves or ex Slaves from settling there? Claude Sinclair At 07:55 AM 09/19/1999 +0900, John Dorociak wrote: >OH! And how far are they rising this time? And for what purpose this time? >Yes you have the right as do we all to demand your Constitutional rights. >But is that, with all it's ramifications and >conotations in this case what you really want? Why we, the South rose up >before, ...is not something to be proud of, sir! And those that did were >only a very, very small portion of the Southern >population. To advertise that your feelings still support those of the >original uprising, I thought we had grown beyond that and had learned from >our errors. 'Tis a sad day indeed that you should do >this, laddie. A sad day indeed.Before you do this, I suggest that you take >a little trip down to Andersonville way and then spend a day or three in a >histories library reading up on just what we did and >why. Then if you should choose to continue your pursuit of your "rights" >then so be it. I pray that you will be accompanied by the spirits of all >those who were enslaved in the south and all those who >fought for their "rights" to be free. I pray that their rights ring out >louder and more clearly than yours to advertise that you still uphold what >was done against them. > >Thank you for allowing me, sir, to exercise my rights and write to someone >who enjoys golf as much as you seem to. > > > >Dan Fairfax wrote: > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > The SOUTH is rising again!!!!....PLease forward to all!!! > > > > SALUTE!!! > > > > Dan Fairfax > > Nashville, Tennessee > > > > dfair777@home.com > > > > --------------------- > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > > Content-Type: message/rfc822; > > name="nsmail14.TMP" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit > Filed***] > > Content-Disposition: inline; > > filename="nsmail14.TMP" > > > > Return-path: TODDANSE@aol.com > > From: TODDANSE@aol.com > > Full-name: TODD ANSE > > Message-ID: <2cb11f2c.2512f49e@aol.com> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:34:22 EDT > > Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > > To: CRUTCHERN@aol.com > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary" > > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Return-Path: <danhaire@confederacy.net> > > Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com > [172.18.150.1]) by > > air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 > 20:44:49 > > -0400 > > Received: from mailfti.fentech.com ([207.68.80.113]) by > rly-yd01.mx.aol.com > > (v61.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:27 -0400 > > Received: from confederacy.net ([38.30.81.228]) by mailfti.fentech.com > > (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-55700U3000L300S0V35) > > with ESMTP id com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:53:41 -0400 > > Message-ID: <37E18EB5.1D6B1C63@confederacy.net> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:43:34 -0500 > > From: danhaire@confederacy.net (Dan Haire) > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) > > X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: Robert Neyman <RNeyman131@aol.com>, Bill Adkins > <camillus@earthlink.net>, > > Bill Oakes <WCOakes@aol.com>, Colby Morgan > > <75522.3660@compuserve.com>, > > Doug Cupples <dwcupples@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, > > Gene Ingram <cannbal2@aol.com>, Paul Goddard > > <paulgoddard@hotmail.com>, > > Robert Pomerenk <rpomere1@midsouth.rr.com>, > > Scotty Todd <TODDANSE@aol.com>, > > Tim Gatewood <71051.1400@compuserve.com>, > > Larry Hawkins <wlhawkins@worldnet.att.net>, > > Ed Wigley <"Ed Wigley"@aol.com>, bickersc@methodisthealthcare.org > > Subject: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > RebelEcho@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Compatriots, > > > > > > You should thank Tarry Beasley, II for the many hours of work he has > > > performed in moving the license plate issue forward in Tennessee for > today's > > > filing. TN Division Commander Russell Bailey has been instrumental in > guiding > > > this effort. All of us expect a positive result. > > > > > > Thanks for your support. > > > > > > Rick Griffin > > > SCV CiC > > > > > > SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS PRESS RELEASE > > > Thursday, September 16, 1999 > > > > > > (HISTORIC ELM SPRINGS, Columbia, Tennessee) The sons of Confederate > Veterans, > > > Inc. (SCV) today announced the filing of a civil action in United States > > > District Court for the Western District of Tennessee against the state of > > > Tennessee and, in their official capacities, Tennessee Governor Don > Sundquist > > > and Commissioner of Tennessee Department of Safety Michael Greene. > > > > > > The plaintiffs contend that this is a First Amendment free speech and > equal > > > protection case seeking a declaratory judgment and injunctive relief. > This > > > case is over the Defendants' refusal to issue automobile organizational > > > "special license plates" to Plaintiffs. The Plaintiffs challenge the > > > constitutional validity of Defendants' policy and actions that > prohibit the > > > issuance of organizational "special license plates" which bear the > Plaintiffs > > > logo. > > > > > > The Plaintiffs: SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, > Darnestown, > > > Maryland; Tennessee Division Commander Russell B. Bailey, Covington, > > > Tennessee; Robert E. Lee Camp #1640 Commander M. Gary Hood; and SCV > member T. > > > Tarry Beasley, III relate that the interests and rights of the > organization > > > have been abridged by the Defendants' refusal to issue organizational > license > > > plates to the SCV in the state of Tennessee. > > > > > > Commander in Chief Griffin stated "it is a sad day when members of > the Sons > > > of Confederate Veterans are forced to bring action against public > officials > > > to get them do what they are elected and obligated to do under the > laws of > > > Tennessee and the Constitution of the United States of America. It is our > > > belief that we will prevail and we hope that this case will be of a short > > > duration." > > > > > > For additional information contact: The Rutherford Institute, > > > Charlottesville, VA; Plaintiffs' attorney T. Tarry Beasley, II, > Memphis, TN; > > > SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, MD; Mayor > Russell > > > B. Bailey, Covington, TN. > > > > > > Patrick J. Griffin, III > > > SCV Commander in Chief > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > OFFICIAL SCVDISPATCH POST > > > "SCVDispatch" and "confederacy.net" are Copyright 1999, Sons of > Confederate Veterans. > > > The SCVDispatch Mailing List is for Official SCV Use ONLY. Send > Unsubscribe requests to: scvdispatch-request@confederacy.net Place the > word unsubscribe on a single line in the body of your message. > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary-- > > > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB-- > > > > ==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~help/index.htm >Find out how to operate this > list and get information about other Rootsweb features. > > >==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== >691 Highlanders received land grants from the Crown between >the years 1732 and 1775, most in the Cape Fear region. Claude Sinclair, Jr. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/1799/