I for one am very proud of my Southern heritage and Southern ancestors. For your information the majority of the South did rise to support a cause they very much believed in. Almost every able bodied man took up arms and fought. I suggest you take a trip up to Chicago where the Union prison was located and just as many if not more men died of exposure and hunger. And I have spent days, weeks, and years studying the War Between the States. Let it also be known that Slavery did not end in some Northern States until after the War Between the States and that Lincoln was quoted as saying that Whites and Blacks could never live together and his master plan was to ship Blacks to Liberty (Liberia). Also that the last President who owned a slave was General Grant who said that, "Good help is hard to come by" and that General Sherman would have been a racist by todays standards. I have a newspaper article about one of my dearest friends great great grandfather. He was dragged by a horse, shot in the legs, and hung by Sherman's troops. He was a black Southerner. I also have pictures of a 1915 Confederate Reunion where blacks attended. Sir, I am against racism. My black friends call me the most liberal person they know. But I honor my ancestors and I am not ashamed of them. Of the five GGG grandfathers that and three GG grandfathers and 20 + cousins that fought for the South, none were slave owners. Most were Scots or Irish. Only 6.5 of Southern families owned slaves. And I always wondered that if the North fought to free slaves (which they didn't) why did New Jersey pass a law to forbid Slaves or ex Slaves from settling there? Claude Sinclair At 07:55 AM 09/19/1999 +0900, John Dorociak wrote: >OH! And how far are they rising this time? And for what purpose this time? >Yes you have the right as do we all to demand your Constitutional rights. >But is that, with all it's ramifications and >conotations in this case what you really want? Why we, the South rose up >before, ...is not something to be proud of, sir! And those that did were >only a very, very small portion of the Southern >population. To advertise that your feelings still support those of the >original uprising, I thought we had grown beyond that and had learned from >our errors. 'Tis a sad day indeed that you should do >this, laddie. A sad day indeed.Before you do this, I suggest that you take >a little trip down to Andersonville way and then spend a day or three in a >histories library reading up on just what we did and >why. Then if you should choose to continue your pursuit of your "rights" >then so be it. I pray that you will be accompanied by the spirits of all >those who were enslaved in the south and all those who >fought for their "rights" to be free. I pray that their rights ring out >louder and more clearly than yours to advertise that you still uphold what >was done against them. > >Thank you for allowing me, sir, to exercise my rights and write to someone >who enjoys golf as much as you seem to. > > > >Dan Fairfax wrote: > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > The SOUTH is rising again!!!!....PLease forward to all!!! > > > > SALUTE!!! > > > > Dan Fairfax > > Nashville, Tennessee > > > > dfair777@home.com > > > > --------------------- > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > > Content-Type: message/rfc822; > > name="nsmail14.TMP" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit > Filed***] > > Content-Disposition: inline; > > filename="nsmail14.TMP" > > > > Return-path: TODDANSE@aol.com > > From: TODDANSE@aol.com > > Full-name: TODD ANSE > > Message-ID: <2cb11f2c.2512f49e@aol.com> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:34:22 EDT > > Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > > To: CRUTCHERN@aol.com > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary" > > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Return-Path: <danhaire@confederacy.net> > > Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com > [172.18.150.1]) by > > air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 > 20:44:49 > > -0400 > > Received: from mailfti.fentech.com ([207.68.80.113]) by > rly-yd01.mx.aol.com > > (v61.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:27 -0400 > > Received: from confederacy.net ([38.30.81.228]) by mailfti.fentech.com > > (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-55700U3000L300S0V35) > > with ESMTP id com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:53:41 -0400 > > Message-ID: <37E18EB5.1D6B1C63@confederacy.net> > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:43:34 -0500 > > From: danhaire@confederacy.net (Dan Haire) > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) > > X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: Robert Neyman <RNeyman131@aol.com>, Bill Adkins > <camillus@earthlink.net>, > > Bill Oakes <WCOakes@aol.com>, Colby Morgan > > <75522.3660@compuserve.com>, > > Doug Cupples <dwcupples@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, > > Gene Ingram <cannbal2@aol.com>, Paul Goddard > > <paulgoddard@hotmail.com>, > > Robert Pomerenk <rpomere1@midsouth.rr.com>, > > Scotty Todd <TODDANSE@aol.com>, > > Tim Gatewood <71051.1400@compuserve.com>, > > Larry Hawkins <wlhawkins@worldnet.att.net>, > > Ed Wigley <"Ed Wigley"@aol.com>, bickersc@methodisthealthcare.org > > Subject: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > RebelEcho@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Compatriots, > > > > > > You should thank Tarry Beasley, II for the many hours of work he has > > > performed in moving the license plate issue forward in Tennessee for > today's > > > filing. TN Division Commander Russell Bailey has been instrumental in > guiding > > > this effort. All of us expect a positive result. > > > > > > Thanks for your support. > > > > > > Rick Griffin > > > SCV CiC > > > > > > SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS PRESS RELEASE > > > Thursday, September 16, 1999 > > > > > > (HISTORIC ELM SPRINGS, Columbia, Tennessee) The sons of Confederate > Veterans, > > > Inc. (SCV) today announced the filing of a civil action in United States > > > District Court for the Western District of Tennessee against the state of > > > Tennessee and, in their official capacities, Tennessee Governor Don > Sundquist > > > and Commissioner of Tennessee Department of Safety Michael Greene. > > > > > > The plaintiffs contend that this is a First Amendment free speech and > equal > > > protection case seeking a declaratory judgment and injunctive relief. > This > > > case is over the Defendants' refusal to issue automobile organizational > > > "special license plates" to Plaintiffs. The Plaintiffs challenge the > > > constitutional validity of Defendants' policy and actions that > prohibit the > > > issuance of organizational "special license plates" which bear the > Plaintiffs > > > logo. > > > > > > The Plaintiffs: SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, > Darnestown, > > > Maryland; Tennessee Division Commander Russell B. Bailey, Covington, > > > Tennessee; Robert E. Lee Camp #1640 Commander M. Gary Hood; and SCV > member T. > > > Tarry Beasley, III relate that the interests and rights of the > organization > > > have been abridged by the Defendants' refusal to issue organizational > license > > > plates to the SCV in the state of Tennessee. > > > > > > Commander in Chief Griffin stated "it is a sad day when members of > the Sons > > > of Confederate Veterans are forced to bring action against public > officials > > > to get them do what they are elected and obligated to do under the > laws of > > > Tennessee and the Constitution of the United States of America. It is our > > > belief that we will prevail and we hope that this case will be of a short > > > duration." > > > > > > For additional information contact: The Rutherford Institute, > > > Charlottesville, VA; Plaintiffs' attorney T. Tarry Beasley, II, > Memphis, TN; > > > SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, MD; Mayor > Russell > > > B. Bailey, Covington, TN. > > > > > > Patrick J. Griffin, III > > > SCV Commander in Chief > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > OFFICIAL SCVDISPATCH POST > > > "SCVDispatch" and "confederacy.net" are Copyright 1999, Sons of > Confederate Veterans. > > > The SCVDispatch Mailing List is for Official SCV Use ONLY. Send > Unsubscribe requests to: scvdispatch-request@confederacy.net Place the > word unsubscribe on a single line in the body of your message. > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary-- > > > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB-- > > > > ==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~help/index.htm >Find out how to operate this > list and get information about other Rootsweb features. > > >==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== >691 Highlanders received land grants from the Crown between >the years 1732 and 1775, most in the Cape Fear region. Claude Sinclair, Jr. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/1799/

OH! And how far are they rising this time? And for what purpose this time? Yes you have the right as do we all to demand your Constitutional rights. But is that, with all it's ramifications and conotations in this case what you really want? Why we, the South rose up before, ...is not something to be proud of, sir! And those that did were only a very, very small portion of the Southern population. To advertise that your feelings still support those of the original uprising, I thought we had grown beyond that and had learned from our errors. 'Tis a sad day indeed that you should do this, laddie. A sad day indeed.Before you do this, I suggest that you take a little trip down to Andersonville way and then spend a day or three in a histories library reading up on just what we did and why. Then if you should choose to continue your pursuit of your "rights" then so be it. I pray that you will be accompanied by the spirits of all those who were enslaved in the south and all those who fought for their "rights" to be free. I pray that their rights ring out louder and more clearly than yours to advertise that you still uphold what was done against them. Thank you for allowing me, sir, to exercise my rights and write to someone who enjoys golf as much as you seem to. Dan Fairfax wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The SOUTH is rising again!!!!....PLease forward to all!!! > > SALUTE!!! > > Dan Fairfax > Nashville, Tennessee > > dfair777@home.com > > --------------------- > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB > Content-Type: message/rfc822; > name="nsmail14.TMP" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="nsmail14.TMP" > > Return-path: TODDANSE@aol.com > From: TODDANSE@aol.com > Full-name: TODD ANSE > Message-ID: <2cb11f2c.2512f49e@aol.com> > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:34:22 EDT > Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > To: CRUTCHERN@aol.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary" > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <danhaire@confederacy.net> > Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by > air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:49 > -0400 > Received: from mailfti.fentech.com ([207.68.80.113]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com > (v61.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:27 -0400 > Received: from confederacy.net ([38.30.81.228]) by mailfti.fentech.com > (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-55700U3000L300S0V35) > with ESMTP id com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:53:41 -0400 > Message-ID: <37E18EB5.1D6B1C63@confederacy.net> > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:43:34 -0500 > From: danhaire@confederacy.net (Dan Haire) > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Robert Neyman <RNeyman131@aol.com>, Bill Adkins <camillus@earthlink.net>, > Bill Oakes <WCOakes@aol.com>, Colby Morgan > <75522.3660@compuserve.com>, > Doug Cupples <dwcupples@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, > Gene Ingram <cannbal2@aol.com>, Paul Goddard > <paulgoddard@hotmail.com>, > Robert Pomerenk <rpomere1@midsouth.rr.com>, > Scotty Todd <TODDANSE@aol.com>, > Tim Gatewood <71051.1400@compuserve.com>, > Larry Hawkins <wlhawkins@worldnet.att.net>, > Ed Wigley <"Ed Wigley"@aol.com>, bickersc@methodisthealthcare.org > Subject: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > RebelEcho@aol.com wrote: > > > Compatriots, > > > > You should thank Tarry Beasley, II for the many hours of work he has > > performed in moving the license plate issue forward in Tennessee for today's > > filing. TN Division Commander Russell Bailey has been instrumental in guiding > > this effort. All of us expect a positive result. > > > > Thanks for your support. > > > > Rick Griffin > > SCV CiC > > > > SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS PRESS RELEASE > > Thursday, September 16, 1999 > > > > (HISTORIC ELM SPRINGS, Columbia, Tennessee) The sons of Confederate Veterans, > > Inc. (SCV) today announced the filing of a civil action in United States > > District Court for the Western District of Tennessee against the state of > > Tennessee and, in their official capacities, Tennessee Governor Don Sundquist > > and Commissioner of Tennessee Department of Safety Michael Greene. > > > > The plaintiffs contend that this is a First Amendment free speech and equal > > protection case seeking a declaratory judgment and injunctive relief. This > > case is over the Defendants’ refusal to issue automobile organizational > > "special license plates" to Plaintiffs. The Plaintiffs challenge the > > constitutional validity of Defendants’ policy and actions that prohibit the > > issuance of organizational "special license plates" which bear the Plaintiffs > > logo. > > > > The Plaintiffs: SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, > > Maryland; Tennessee Division Commander Russell B. Bailey, Covington, > > Tennessee; Robert E. Lee Camp #1640 Commander M. Gary Hood; and SCV member T. > > Tarry Beasley, III relate that the interests and rights of the organization > > have been abridged by the Defendants’ refusal to issue organizational license > > plates to the SCV in the state of Tennessee. > > > > Commander in Chief Griffin stated "it is a sad day when members of the Sons > > of Confederate Veterans are forced to bring action against public officials > > to get them do what they are elected and obligated to do under the laws of > > Tennessee and the Constitution of the United States of America. It is our > > belief that we will prevail and we hope that this case will be of a short > > duration." > > > > For additional information contact: The Rutherford Institute, > > Charlottesville, VA; Plaintiffs’ attorney T. Tarry Beasley, II, Memphis, TN; > > SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, MD; Mayor Russell > > B. Bailey, Covington, TN. > > > > Patrick J. Griffin, III > > SCV Commander in Chief > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > OFFICIAL SCVDISPATCH POST > > "SCVDispatch" and "confederacy.net" are Copyright 1999, Sons of Confederate Veterans. > > The SCVDispatch Mailing List is for Official SCV Use ONLY. Send Unsubscribe requests to: scvdispatch-request@confederacy.net Place the word unsubscribe on a single line in the body of your message. > > --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary-- > > --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB-- > > ==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~help/index.htm >Find out how to operate this list and get information about other Rootsweb features.

Everyone, Let's not fight the Civil War again, altough I do think the north started it. Juanita

>>I suggest that you take a little trip down to Andersonville way and then spend a day or three in a histories library jdorocia@soback.kornet21.net (John Dorociak) And you sir, I suggest spend a day or three in the histories library at Elmyra in NY, or perhaps Point LookOut in Maryland, then tell us about the rights of those there and how Lincolns government guaranteed them......Ohhhhh wait, those were Yankee prisons, therefore the truth won't be made public, they were 'right' and to the victors go the spoils of war, history can be written anyway they want it to be.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The SOUTH is rising again!!!!....PLease forward to all!!! SALUTE!!! Dan Fairfax Nashville, Tennessee dfair777@home.com --------------------- --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmail14.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail14.TMP" Return-path: TODDANSE@aol.com From: TODDANSE@aol.com Full-name: TODD ANSE Message-ID: <2cb11f2c.2512f49e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:34:22 EDT Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] To: CRUTCHERN@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <danhaire@confederacy.net> Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:49 -0400 Received: from mailfti.fentech.com ([207.68.80.113]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:44:27 -0400 Received: from confederacy.net ([38.30.81.228]) by mailfti.fentech.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-55700U3000L300S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37E18EB5.1D6B1C63@confederacy.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:43:34 -0500 From: danhaire@confederacy.net (Dan Haire) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Neyman <RNeyman131@aol.com>, Bill Adkins <camillus@earthlink.net>, Bill Oakes <WCOakes@aol.com>, Colby Morgan <75522.3660@compuserve.com>, Doug Cupples <dwcupples@msuvx1.memphis.edu>, Gene Ingram <cannbal2@aol.com>, Paul Goddard <paulgoddard@hotmail.com>, Robert Pomerenk <rpomere1@midsouth.rr.com>, Scotty Todd <TODDANSE@aol.com>, Tim Gatewood <71051.1400@compuserve.com>, Larry Hawkins <wlhawkins@worldnet.att.net>, Ed Wigley <"Ed Wigley"@aol.com>, bickersc@methodisthealthcare.org Subject: [Fwd: [SCV Dispatch] ***Tennessee Lawsuit Filed***] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RebelEcho@aol.com wrote: > Compatriots, > > You should thank Tarry Beasley, II for the many hours of work he has > performed in moving the license plate issue forward in Tennessee for today's > filing. TN Division Commander Russell Bailey has been instrumental in guiding > this effort. All of us expect a positive result. > > Thanks for your support. > > Rick Griffin > SCV CiC > > SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS PRESS RELEASE > Thursday, September 16, 1999 > > (HISTORIC ELM SPRINGS, Columbia, Tennessee) The sons of Confederate Veterans, > Inc. (SCV) today announced the filing of a civil action in United States > District Court for the Western District of Tennessee against the state of > Tennessee and, in their official capacities, Tennessee Governor Don Sundquist > and Commissioner of Tennessee Department of Safety Michael Greene. > > The plaintiffs contend that this is a First Amendment free speech and equal > protection case seeking a declaratory judgment and injunctive relief. This > case is over the Defendants’ refusal to issue automobile organizational > "special license plates" to Plaintiffs. The Plaintiffs challenge the > constitutional validity of Defendants’ policy and actions that prohibit the > issuance of organizational "special license plates" which bear the Plaintiffs > logo. > > The Plaintiffs: SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, > Maryland; Tennessee Division Commander Russell B. Bailey, Covington, > Tennessee; Robert E. Lee Camp #1640 Commander M. Gary Hood; and SCV member T. > Tarry Beasley, III relate that the interests and rights of the organization > have been abridged by the Defendants’ refusal to issue organizational license > plates to the SCV in the state of Tennessee. > > Commander in Chief Griffin stated "it is a sad day when members of the Sons > of Confederate Veterans are forced to bring action against public officials > to get them do what they are elected and obligated to do under the laws of > Tennessee and the Constitution of the United States of America. It is our > belief that we will prevail and we hope that this case will be of a short > duration." > > For additional information contact: The Rutherford Institute, > Charlottesville, VA; Plaintiffs’ attorney T. Tarry Beasley, II, Memphis, TN; > SCV Commander in Chief Patrick J. Griffin, III, Darnestown, MD; Mayor Russell > B. Bailey, Covington, TN. > > Patrick J. Griffin, III > SCV Commander in Chief > > --------------------------------------------- > OFFICIAL SCVDISPATCH POST > "SCVDispatch" and "confederacy.net" are Copyright 1999, Sons of Confederate Veterans. > The SCVDispatch Mailing List is for Official SCV Use ONLY. Send Unsubscribe requests to: scvdispatch-request@confederacy.net Place the word unsubscribe on a single line in the body of your message. --part2_9c0835c7.2512f49e_boundary-- --------------FED9B612DFFECD8E135CFBDB--

> These were taken fron the Daily News > "TURNING PAPER INTO PEOPLE," PART XI, FAMILY > http://www.ancestry.com/dailynews/09_23_99.htm#4 > This article addresses your ancestry in the context of family. > > > Naming Patterns > > Our ancestors often used the following naming pattern when selecting a > name for a new child. This explains why certain names are very common > in a family line. Watching for these patterns can help in your > genealogy research. > > Naming pattern: > > 1st son = father's father > > 2nd son = mother's father > > 3 rd son = father > > 4th son = father's oldest brother > > 5th son = father's second oldest brother or mother's eldest brother > > 1st daughter = mother's mother > > 2nd daughter = father's mother > > 3rd daughter = mother > > 4th daughter = mother's oldest sister > > 5th daughter = mother's second oldest sister or father's oldest sister > > It is also common to use: > the mother's maiden name as a second name; > the surname of close friends as a second name; > give another child exactly the same name as a previous child who had > died; or > give a child the name of a relative or friend who had recently died. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Scottish Naming patterns.... > > An understanding of naming patterns can be very helpful in tracing > ones ancestry. > > > Many Scotts families follow the custom of naming their children after > the grandparents in the following manner. > > First born son named for the paternal grandfather. > > > Second son named for the maternal grandfather. > > > Third son named for the father. > > > First born daughter for the paternal grandmother. > > > Second daughter for the maternal grandmother. > > > Third daughter for the mother. > > > This can cause families to have two children with the same name if the > grandparents had the same name. The process also started over if the > parent remarried, so it is common to find half brothers or sisters > with the same names. Not all Scotts families followed this pattern, > but many that did continued it long after leaving Scotland. > > Another way families end up with more than one child with the same > name is through high child mortality. Before modern medicine fewer > children survived to adulthood. Parents often reused the name of a > dead child for the next child born. > _____________________________________________________ > COLONIAL NAMING CUSTOMS > > "The trend of History is often reflected in the very names borne by > the men and women who played a part in it", according to Donald Lines > Jacobus, often considered the father of American genealogy. The > history of given (first) names in early America offers a glimpse at > our > forebears and their customs, as well as clues to their origins. > > New England's first settlers bore names of three different types: > those of English origin, those of Hebrew derivation, and those > intended > to have a moral significance. Old English names, connected with the > Church of England, were not often favored by the Puritans. Puritans > named their children somewhat differently than other English-speaking > settlers, preferring Biblical names. Evidently, some parents shut > their eyes, opened the Bible, and pointed to a word at random--what > else could account for a child being named Notwithstanding or Maybe? > The early Massachusetts Brewster family had two sons, Love and > Wrestling, and two daughters named Patience and Fear. The names > Humility, Desire, Hate-evil, and Faint-not also appeared in the > region. > > Other New England onomastic Practices included obscure references > and names that commemorated an occasion--such as Oceanus Hopkins, who > was born on the Mayflower in 1620. Early settlers seemed to favor > names for their associated moral qualities. Among girls' names, > which were no doubt intended to incite their bearers to lead godly > lives, were: Content, Lowly, Mindwell, Obedience, Patience, Silence, > Charity, Mercy, Comfort, Delight and Thankful. In many families, the > first names of the father and mother were given to the first-born son > > and daughter, respectively. > > In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, 53 percent of all females were > named Mary, Elizabeth, or Sarah. Other popular girls' names were > Rebecca, Ruth, Anne, Hannah, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Rachel. > Meanwhile, prevalent boys' names included John, Joseph, Samuel, > Josiah, Benjamin, Jonathan, and Nathan. > > In Virginia, Biblical references were less common. Early settlers > often named sons for Teutonic warriors, Frankish knights, and English > kings. Favorites included William, Robert, Richard, Edward, George, > and Charles. Daughters received name of Christian saints and > traditional English folk names, such as Margaret, Jane, Catherine, > Frances, and Alice, along with English favorites Mary, Elizabeth, > Anne, and Sarah. First-born children were named for their > grandparents, and second-born for their parents. > > A popular custom in both Virginia and New England was the use of > surnames as given names. This occurred mostly with boys, but it was > not unknown for girls. Some names were also chosen for their magical > properties, and astrologers were consulted in attempt to find a > "fortunate" or "lucky" name. > > Among Quakers in Colonial Pennsylvania and Delaware, babies went > through a ritual called nomination. An infant's name was carefully > selected by the parents, certified by friends, witnessed by neighbors, > and then entered in the register of the meeting. First-born children > were named after grandparents, honoring maternal and paternal lines > evenly, often with an eldest son named after his mother's father and > an eldest daughter after her father's mother. While this practice > was not universal among Quaker families, it was common in the Delaware > Valley. Many names came from the Bible, with favorites for boys being > John, Joseph, Samuel, Thomas, William, and George; and for girls, > Mary, Elizabeth, Sarah, Anne/Anna/Hannah, and Esther/Hester. Also > popular among the Quakers was Phebe, which rarely appeared in New > England or the South. They also favored the names Patience, Grace, > Mercy, and Chastity. One family's eight children were named Remember, > John, Restore, Freedom, Increase, Jacob, Preserve, and Israel. > > Naming patterns differed in the "back country" of early America, > which was heavily populated by Scotch-Irish as well as German, > Scandinavian, Irish, Scottish, French, and Dutch families. In these > rural areas, many given names were "Americanized," making it difficult > for genealogists to identify a family's ethnic origins. As a general > rule, the patterns included a mixture of Biblical, Teutonic, and > saints' names. Among the most popular given names for boys were: > John, Robert, Richard, Andrew, Patrick, and David. Celtic names such > as Ewan (and variants Ewen and Owen), Barry, and Roy were often used, > as were Archibald, Ronald, Alexander, Charles, James, Wallace, Bruce, > Percy, Ross, and Clyde. Again, eldest sons were often named after > their grandfathers, and second or third sons after their fathers-- > similar to patterns found in early tidewater Chesapeake families. > > One peculiar naming pattern found among the back-country settlers > was the one bestowing unusual--sometimes made-up--given names. From > an early date, these rugged pioneers cultivated a spirit of onomastic > individualism, a spirit still found today in this country as parents > search for a special, perhaps unique, name for their baby. Others > prefer to select a name from their family tree that has been passed > along for generations. > .................................by Myra Vanderpool Gormley > > ______________________________________________________ > Colonial Homes, Naming Patterns > > > In 18th & 19th Century Britain families generally tended to name their > children in a specific pattern as follows: > Males > First-born Son - father's father > > > Second-born Son - mother's father > > Third-born Son - father > > Fourth-born Son - father's eldest brother > > Fifth-born Son - father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest > brother > > Females > First-born Daughter - mother's mother > > > Second-born Daughter - father's mother > > Third-born Daughter - mother > > Fourth-born Daughter - mother's eldest sister > > Fifth-born Daughter - mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest > sister > ____________________________________________________ > > Surnames & Naming patterns > > > In Scotland - as in the rest of Western Europe - there were four main > ways of acquiring a surname:- > > Patronymic - taking the father's Christian name e.g. Robertson > > Occupation - e.g. Smith (the most common surname of all) > > Locality - e.g. Wood > > Nickname - e.g. White, Little. > > Patronymics - Lowland names such as Wilson, Robertson, Thomson and > Johnson are among the most common surnames in Scotland. 'Mac' names > are also patronymic. MacManus - son of Magnus. 'Mc' is just a > printer's contraction and has no significance as to etymology. > > Occupation - Names which are derived from trades and occupations - > mostly found in towns. The most common of these is Smith (the most > common surname in Scotland, England and the USA) but other examples > would be Taylor (tailor) Baxter (baker) and Cooper (barrel maker). > > Locality - In Scotland the tendency is for people to be named after > places (in England the tendency is the opposite). Examples of such > names are Morton, Lauder, Menzies and Galloway. > > Nickname - Names which could refer to colour or size, e.g. White, > Black, Small, Little. Scottish names in this category include Campbell > (meaning 'crooked mouth'). Another example of nickname - this time > referring to the bearers origins - is Scott. > > > > Naming patterns > > People of all countries tend to use forenames which run in the family. > In Scotland families not only use such names but they tend to follow > naming patterns - the most common of which is:- > > 1st son - named after his paternal grandfather > > 2nd son - named after his maternal grandfather > > 3rd son - named after his father > > 1st daughter - named after her maternal grandmother > > 2nd daughter - named after her paternal grandmother > > 3rd daughter - named after her mother > > Although this naming pattern was not always used, it can be a useful > indication to genealogists. Unfortunately, this pattern is not used to > the same extent today. > > > > Origins of some Scottish surnames > > Fraser - Originally De Frisselle, de Freseliere or De Fresel. The > first recorded bearer of the name was Sir Simon Frasee who held lands > in East Lothian. Fortunate marriages enabled the family to acquire > lands all over Scotland. By such means they acquired Philorth in > Buchan in 1375 - this became the chief seat of the Frasers. The family > was raised to the peerage in the person of the first Lord Lovat. To > the Gaels the chief of the Frasers is known as MacShimidh - 'son of > Simon'. > > Bruce - A locality name from Normandy - Brix near Cherbourg. The first > recorded bearer of the name accompanied William the Conqueror and the > second accompanied King David to Scotland to claim the throne. This > was the family which produced Robert the Bruce and, although the royal > line died out in 1314, the name Bruce is today among the hundred > commonest Scottish surnames. > > Robertson - a patronymic name. The first bearer of the name was > Robert, grandson of Duncan the Fat (Donnchadh Reamhar). The family > acquired lands in the central Highlands. However, the commonality of > the name in Scotland can only be explained, not by any connection to > the original family, but by the large number of people who adopted the > name because it was their fathers' forename. In Gaelic the clan > continues to be called Clann Donnacha - Duncan's children - from their > descent from Duncan the Fat. > > Stewart - an occupational name. It comes from the office of steward > which was a position of importance under the Crown. Among alternative > spellings of the name are Stuart and Steward. Mary, Queen of Scots > favoured the spelling Stuart as there is no 'W' in the French > language. To the Gaels the Stewarts are known as 'the race of Kings > and Tinkers'. > > If you would like to know more about your surname contact > jeanmoore@ednet.co.uk > > >

Hello-- I just joined this list, in hopes that someone will recognize a name. My ancestor is Leah (ca 1738-ca 1790) believed to be born in Rowan Co. She married Robert BARKLEY / BARCLAY sometime before 1754, probably in Rowan Co. Her surname is unknown, but I think it is BUSBY, or some form like BURSBY, BUSLEY, BURSLEY, etc. Does anyone know if one or more families with that surname was living there in these early years? I have previously reviewed a book "Carolina Cradle" by Ramsey, but did not find such a surname in Rowan Co., but then I know that my PENNY & BARKLEY ancestors were there, & they were not listed either. Thank you, Bill Penny MN

Hi: For the last two days I have only gotten the topics and information on how to unsubscribe. The individual articles aren't coming through in Digest mode. FYI. Loretta

Folks, It sure would make your posts to the list a lot more interesting and readable if you would please CAPITALIZE YOUR SURNAMES. Don't capitalize the whole name just the SURNAME. Thank You.

Hello, Here is a National Genealogical Society Web Page which has used Genealogical books for sale. Thought Y'all might be interested. <A HREF="http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/">Click here: National Genealogical Society</A> Thanks John Lester

I don't know if these are any of the same people you are looking for, but there are several McPhersons still living in W. Harnett Co., N.C.,approximately 20 miles from Sanford (Lee county). Three widows in their 70s and 80s, and their children, remain. These ladies father was Arch McPherson (d. 1964-65). His wife was "Mag" (I don't know her full name) Spivey. Sons Jack, Charlie, and Lacey are deceased and another daughter lives in Virginia. All the deceased, including Arch and "Mag" are buried at Buffaloe Presbyterian Church, near Sanford. I grew up on a farm adjacent to the McPherson's. Joe McKay Raleigh, N.C.

Hi: I saw your posting and have the information you need. He works with the Smokey Mtn. Kin website I use often. It is a great resource of information, and you might be able to research what you need online. The address is: http://www.smokykin.com/ David L. Beckwith's email address is: beckwith@interaccess.com Good luck in your search. Loretta Husky Cozart

Hey, I for one want to thank you John. I live in SC, although in the Upstate (about 250 miles from the coast); however, if this "sucker" comes ashore as they are predicting, we will need all of the warning that we can muster. Again, thanks. Gloria Forrester Spartanburg, SC > -----Original Message----- > From: Sacklester@aol.com [mailto:Sacklester@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:49 PM > To: NCSCOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Check out http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd... > > > Hello, > > I do not normally send something of this nature on a Genealogical > listing and > frankly do not believe in doing so, but due to the importance and > nature of > Hurricane Floyd and the service areas of these listings, I urge > you to keep > alert. I apologize in advance if sending this map site offends > anyone. But > if it makes a difference to even one person, I will take the risk. > > <A > HREF="http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd/fl28bufg32.gif">Click > here: http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd...</A> > > http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd/f128bufg32.gif > > Thanks > John Lester > > > ==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== > !! 588 subscribers as of April 1999 !! >

I have been wondering if in the 16/17/1800s if hurricanes hit the area of VA,NC, and SC like Floyd,Hugo and other hurricanes every year like they do now.Have you ever come across any reports of any? Juanita

I have posted this previously on other lists, so please forgive me if this seems redundant. I am looking for a JAMES COLEMAN who (the story passed down says) came to this country with his brothers and sisters. They were Scots-Irish and the sister settled quickly and the brothers set out "west." JAMES stopped and settled in Orange County, NC and married a girl named NANCY ANN ________. The brothers continued "west." JAMES and NANCY ANN had a son, also JAMES COLEMAN (Jr) born 22 Oct 1799. The son's obituary tells that in 1804, when he was 5, the family set out for Tennessee. I can find "a" JAMES COLEMAN in Orange County, NC during that time period in court records, but I can not find a marriage record or birth record of the son to tie that JAMES to our family. There are no records until about 1820 when the son is an adult in Knoxville, Tennessee. There are also records of an ANN COLEMAN in church records there. I feel JAMES COLEMAN, (Sr) surely must have died. He never shows up in Tennessee and there appears never to have been anyother children but the one son, JAMES COLEMAN (Jr.) Any suggestions?? I have had wonderful responses in the past, but my JAMES COLEMAN never fits in. Did the Scottish people come in through a southern port - or - did they more than likely come in by way of New York/Pennsylvania and come down the Great Wagon Road? - - - - Sorry so lengthy, Linda Coleman

Yes.... A Sam Morton b. unknown, d. unknown married Martha Ross November 25, 1920. Martha was born February 10, 1887 in GARRARD CO., KY. She died February 28, 1962, place unknown. Her parents were David Gordon Ross and Amelia Jane Rigsby also of Kentucky. No known children to Sam and Martha. Fred Gordon in Texas KAT3946429@aol.com wrote: > > After mega years of thinking my gg-grandfather, David MORTON, was born in the > Buncombe, NC area, I now find out that they are not sure where he was born -- > just that on census records, etc., it states NC. Does anyone have a MORTON > connection? Thanks so much. Nina > > ==== NCSCOTS Mailing List ==== > To join the NC Scottish Heritage Society and receive the journals(Argyll Colony Plus), contact Anne Landin, 1690 Plainfield Church Rd, Siler City, NC 27344. (This mailing list is not associated with the NCSHC)

I am looking for any information on the GWINS or other spellings,and Mordeaci Gwin and his ANCESTORS,where he came from, where he was born. Cathy rfc@dconn.com

I am looking for any information on Achilles Burgess of Wake Co. NC. I do not know if he or his ancestors are from Scotland or not. The information that I have at this time is very sketchy. He was born abt 1720 and died abt 1833 in Wake Co. He was living with his son Edward Burgess from at least 1820 around Kitt Creek. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Joe

My Daniel McPherson came to NC in mid-1700s and, while I look for traces of his life, I keep stumbling over John McPherson's and Alexander McPherson's who were already there when he came. My Daniel's son (born 1798 in NC) was named Alexander. I would like to find out if and how Daniel was connected to the McPherson's already there. Daniel and his wife Sarah McNeil were born on the Isle of Jura, Scotland. -Margaret McPherson Ezell

Hello, I do not normally send something of this nature on a Genealogical listing and frankly do not believe in doing so, but due to the importance and nature of Hurricane Floyd and the service areas of these listings, I urge you to keep alert. I apologize in advance if sending this map site offends anyone. But if it makes a difference to even one person, I will take the risk. <A HREF="http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd/fl28bufg32.gif">Click here: http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd...</A> http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/1999/storms/Floyd/f128bufg32.gif Thanks John Lester