I understand a relative of mine was one of those providing the marriage service in SC, Cleveland County in the mid 1860's. His name is Hugh Kerr Roberts and I believe he may have been a Justice of the Peace or some such. Any documentation on services he provided is welcome. James Stone jandsstone@earthlink.net "Lynn E.Wesson" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn E.Wesson [mailto:Lynn@fastcode.com] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:43 PM > To: 'Kit McChesney' > Subject: RE: [NCRUTHER-L] Marriage records, missing, or never recorded? > > Kit, > The register is not online to my knowledge. It is published in the book of > Marriages from a similar period in Cleveland Co. I just looked at a few > pages I copied and the published ones are from 1900-1910, but he performed > marriages in the Grover area across the state line in SC (near Blacksburg, > SC) for some years. No marriage license was required in SC till 1911 per > this book. > The reason I found out was just looking at the book and seeing the names of > some of my own relatives who were married by him! > I would suggest , though, that you check the marriage registers for > Cleveland, Gaston, and surrounding counties for the appropriate years. > These books are in the local libraries of the counties in question and also > in the State Genealogy library in Raleigh. > Lynn > -----Original Message----- > From: Kit McChesney [mailto:kitmcchesney@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:32 PM > To: Lynn@fastcode.com; NCRUTHER-L (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] Marriage records, missing, or never recorded? > > Lynn-- > > This is good information, especially since my Bradley relatives moved into > SC over the border around 1890 or so, because 2 of my grandfather's four > other siblings were born in the Gaffney area, where they are shown in Morgan > Township in 1900. > > I have not been able to find Benjamin in the 1880 census--well, not > exactly. There is a Benjamin Bradley in the 1880 census, next door (my > theory is that Benjamin and Esther were cousins, descendants of the Thomas > and Henry Bradley families--they were brothers, hammermen in the High Shoals > Iron Works), but he is recorded as being 7 years old. Given that my > great-grandmother-to-be was 23 at the time, it seemed unlikely that he was > the right person. And if this is an error, then he isn't shown at all in > earlier census records, so I suppose that this 7 year old Benjamin was > someone else--perhaps he was named after my great-grandfather, but to date, > I haven't found a thing to verify his existence. > > I assume the Cleveland register is online at Floyd's site? > > Thanks again. Looking forward to more thoughts. How did you find out about > this Rev. Mullinax? Is there any historical material about him? > > Kit McChesney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynn E.Wesson > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:26 PM > To: 'Kit McChesney'; NCRUTHER-L (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [NCRUTHER-L] Marriage records, missing, or never recorded? > > Kit, > Many people in that part of the state went to SC to marry, where a > license > was not required till sometime about 1910 or after. They just went over > the > state line and married, usually by a minister. > There was one minister, a Mr. Mullinax, who kept books of his marriages, > and > some volumes of those books survives and are published with the > Cleveland > Co. marriage register. > That may be what happened to your folks. > Have you found Benjamin Bradley in 1880 census? > Lynn Wesson > Chapel Hill, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kit McChesney [mailto:kitmcchesney@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:04 PM > To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] Marriage records, missing, or never recorded? > > Hello Rutherford-ers-- > > I have sent inquiries to every single county in North Carolina, checked > Bill > Floyd's list of brides and grooms, and looked high and low for any > evidence > at all that my great-grandmother, Esther Bradley (her maiden name) > actually > married my great-grandfather, Benjamin Bradley, around 1881. Esther is > single in 1880. Benjamin doesn't show up anywhere in any census at the > appropriate time, and by 1900, Esther is a widow, with five children. We > have no census for 1890, so I can't find him there. I have no burial for > him > (Esther is buried in the Clifton Cemetery in Clifton, SC, d. 1910) and > for > all the world, he just seems never to have existed. As far as I've been > able > to tell, neither Esther nor Benjamin had a will (they probably would > have > had nothing to leave anyone anyway, since Esther and her children were > poor > farmers, and later worked in cotton mills. They rented their property in > 1900 and 1910, when Esther died. > > Has anyone had trouble finding marriage records for their > Rutherford/Cleveland County ancestors, folks who might have married > around > 1880, a period of time when one would expect some record of a marriage > to be > recorded? Even though one would presume that everyone who claimed to be > married actually did marry, what is the reality? Did some folks just > pretend > to be married? (I won't use the euphemism for this practice). Did some > folks > marry but not report their marriages? Was common-law marriage "common" > at > that time? This is one problem that has befuddled me for years. Does > anyone > have a brilliant thought that might jog my process and get me moving in > a > more fruitful direction? (I'm not expecting miracles, but two or more > heads > can often be better than one!) > > Thanks in advance. Any suggestions, help, or even hollering, > appreciated! > > Kit McChesney > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should > work, > but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual > instructions: > to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with > the > single word subscribe in the message subject and body. 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