I heartily agree with the messages lauding your fantastic website, Bill. It is an invaluable resource for which everyone should be grateful. You are to be commended for your hard work! And for those who make complaints, the DEL key works great. You likely only receive the negative comments when the majority uses and enjoys your work without taking the time to send a compliment. Ignore those dummies who use such poor judgement. And THANK YOU again for everything you do!!!! Jonnie in SC In a message dated 5/6/2005 2:27:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, iris@reily.org writes: Bill, you have the best website on the internet in my opinion. I have used it countless times and bless you for your hard work every time.

Hi Everyone, I have been busy searching the listowner archives and I think I have an answer. Emma (bless her) was right about the original poster ie: "fed up". He posted to many lists. When someone does that, then it doesn't matter if they are legitimate list members or someone who just joined to promote personal interests, rootsweb spamblocker catches it as spam. Since for me it only appreared on one list. Rutherford cty, I did not see his post as a problem - and I did think that some of what he posted was helpful so I let it be. For those of you who replied to his post, when rootsweb removed his "spam messages", then you, having replied to him, were sent a message asking if you wanted to remove your post or something to that effect. I believe a link is provided so that if you click on it, you are agreeing to remove your post. So, the bottom line on the archive message removal thing is, it's because you posted a reply that you were asked if you wanted to remove your post. The original poster was unsubscribed as far as I know, not because he was not a legit member, but because he spammed the lists. Does not matter the subject line he used or even if his post was legit. Only that he posted it all over..... If he had sent it to 1, 2, or even 5 lists, it probably would have been ok - more than that, it was not. Since I am a list admin and member of at least 5 lists, I have sent the same message to at least that many at once and not had a problem having it dealt with as spam. I have no answer about the unsub requests some of you may have received. Just delete that message and consider it bogus. If you think you have been unsub'd from a list, just resub. You won't get 2 copies of the list mail. Whew! Glad that is over.... Debbie List admin PS...sometimes I get requests to remove someone because they have changed their email address and want the old one unsub'd. Don't worry about the old one. Join under your new address and once the old one bounces 3 times it's automatically removed anyway.

Bill, you have done a great job, and don't let anyone try to say different. I have used you as a reference for information more times than I would try to guess. Every one has errors and just to give you something to think about "anyone who doesn't make errors, isn't doing anything to make errors on -so I will fire anyone who never makes a mistake". I was told this by my boss when I was only 18 and still remember it today (too many years to admit to). How correct he was. I really appreciate you and please just leave your site as is. If anyone doesn't want to use it the delete button does good to keep from having to read anything you don't want to. Thanks again for all the info (on your site and by email to me) you have provided over the years. Jean Webb Fruge' --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Hi, Bill, You plainly say on the website that you realize there are mistakes and that you can't change every mistake that people point out. Personally, I think that your website is fantastic. As someone doing a lot of family research in that geographic area, I have used your website as a guide thousands of times. However, I have been to the cemeteries of my relatives/ancestors to look at the stones myself after that, and I have done my own research re: census, marriages, deaths, deeds, court records, wills, etc. You have been extremely generous not just with the free website but also to send jpg files of marriage licenses by email, not to mention your sharing the wealth with the Old Tryon Gen. Society with your CDs. Thanks for all you have done and do. My thought on this would be to keep your website as is and to ignore the ones who have the nerve to harass you. Iris is right---these people who do this are "dummies" and just plain rude. Lynn Wesson -----Original Message----- From: Iris F Reily [mailto:iris@reily.org] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:36 PM To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] Feedback about my webpage Dear Bill, Of course anyone who DOES anything productive gets static. It shouldn't be that way, but it is... Those who don't DO anything have no idea how difficult it is to be 100% correct all of the time. Because, they don't DO anything so they can't ever be wrong. Bill, you have the best website on the internet in my opinion. I have used it countless times and bless you for your hard work every time. 5% of the population can never be satisfied no matter what, so it is best just to ignore their static. The rest of us, myself included need to take the time to thank you more often!!! Abe Lincoln said it best, "you can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of time". Please don't let the "dummies" wear you down, there are 95% of us out here who appreciate all you do. I for one love you warts and all. Love and Hugs, Iris F. Reily ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. D. Floyd" <wdfloyd@rfci.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 06 May, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] Feedback about my webpage As most of you know I have several pages on my site http://.www.rfci.net/wdfloyd that is nothing but genealogy pertaining to Cleveland and Rutherford Co., NC. On most of them at the start I have explained that there would be many errors and that I could not correct them because I would have to completely re-work that particular family and since I have went to the trouble to make an all name index so that books could be printed from it. Making changes would cause the index to become useless. Anyone that has done much of this type work can see how errors can be made with many people with the same name and the age about the same and maybe have a wife with the same name then sometimes you choose the wrong one. An error can also easily be made with cemetery records. As all that has ever put a bunch of info online knows you will get lots of "thank yous" and every error that you have made will eventually be pointed out and you get the "third degree" when you want change it. I have! a solution and that is to take all of this type information off my webpage. I have just got fed up enough to do this but I would like to know if it is really that helpful or not to leave it online and just take the static. Does anyone use any of this info? I do understand how everyone wants everything perfect. I do to but it is impossible. Let me hear a little feedback about this. Bill ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== To contact the list owner NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com

Dear Bill, Of course anyone who DOES anything productive gets static. It shouldn't be that way, but it is... Those who don't DO anything have no idea how difficult it is to be 100% correct all of the time. Because, they don't DO anything so they can't ever be wrong. Bill, you have the best website on the internet in my opinion. I have used it countless times and bless you for your hard work every time. 5% of the population can never be satisfied no matter what, so it is best just to ignore their static. The rest of us, myself included need to take the time to thank you more often!!! Abe Lincoln said it best, "you can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of time". Please don't let the "dummies" wear you down, there are 95% of us out here who appreciate all you do. I for one love you warts and all. Love and Hugs, Iris F. Reily ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. D. Floyd" <wdfloyd@rfci.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 06 May, 2005 12:48 PM Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] Feedback about my webpage As most of you know I have several pages on my site http://.www.rfci.net/wdfloyd that is nothing but genealogy pertaining to Cleveland and Rutherford Co., NC. On most of them at the start I have explained that there would be many errors and that I could not correct them because I would have to completely re-work that particular family and since I have went to the trouble to make an all name index so that books could be printed from it. Making changes would cause the index to become useless. Anyone that has done much of this type work can see how errors can be made with many people with the same name and the age about the same and maybe have a wife with the same name then sometimes you choose the wrong one. An error can also easily be made with cemetery records. As all that has ever put a bunch of info online knows you will get lots of "thank yous" and every error that you have made will eventually be pointed out and you get the "third degree" when you want change it. I have! a solution and that is to take all of this type information off my webpage. I have just got fed up enough to do this but I would like to know if it is really that helpful or not to leave it online and just take the static. Does anyone use any of this info? I do understand how everyone wants everything perfect. I do to but it is impossible. Let me hear a little feedback about this. Bill ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== To contact the list owner NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com

As most of you know I have several pages on my site http://.www.rfci.net/wdfloyd that is nothing but genealogy pertaining to Cleveland and Rutherford Co., NC. On most of them at the start I have explained that there would be many errors and that I could not correct them because I would have to completely re-work that particular family and since I have went to the trouble to make an all name index so that books could be printed from it. Making changes would cause the index to become useless. Anyone that has done much of this type work can see how errors can be made with many people with the same name and the age about the same and maybe have a wife with the same name then sometimes you choose the wrong one. An error can also easily be made with cemetery records. As all that has ever put a bunch of info online knows you will get lots of "thank yous" and every error that you have made will eventually be pointed out and you get the "third degree" when you want change it. I have! a solution and that is to take all of this type information off my webpage. I have just got fed up enough to do this but I would like to know if it is really that helpful or not to leave it online and just take the static. Does anyone use any of this info? I do understand how everyone wants everything perfect. I do to but it is impossible. Let me hear a little feedback about this. Bill

I received several of these messages too! And I wasn't 'attacking' any particular person or company, just giving my opinion. I do believe in this country we are allowed to express our opinion. Jonnie in SC In a message dated 5/5/2005 7:30:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lynnwess@earthlink.net writes: What is this about??? I received an email from Rootsweb asking if I requested to have my own message removed! I didn't ask to have my message removed, but obviously someone did. I wasn't even criticizing Ancestry or Rootsweb, just advising that people be careful about those with whom they share their data in whatever form, because some people don't seem to respect the ownership of our hard work. To whomever requested that my message be removed, I have this to say: Why are you so offended? If the shoe fits, wear it!

Hi everybody, Sorry about the delay in replying to this, I worked the evening shift and so I'm just seeing these messages about archival removal requests and unsubing - I do not know what is going on either, but let me investigate in the morning when I have had some sleep. I promise to get the whole story and let everyone know. FWIW, yesterday on my sewing machine collectors list which is sponsored by quiltropolis, several of them were getting messages that they had been unsubscribed too. Could this be a new internet attack of some kind? Emma's answer maybe the correct one ( the list does automatically try to weed out all the spam mail. You would blush if you saw some of the mail that bounces to me )but since I did not see the mail come thru on my other lists, gaston cty, rutherford, haywood or meriwether ga, then I'll have to check with other list admins. List admin, Debbie Fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wesson" <lynnwess@earthlink.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] "archive removal requests" > Thank you, Emma. I appreciate this information! It helps to understand > what this person is doing. > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: ENC6@aol.com > Sent: May 5, 2005 9:02 PM > To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] "archive removal requests" > > Ok... am sort of going to try on this one. > > First of all, I am not the admin for this list. Am just a member like all > of > you. > > But... I believe this is what is happening. > > The original poster - tontobernstein - who started all this posted their > original message to lots and lots and lots of lists. Their postings > covered > county lists in at least 5 states that I happen to know of just because of > the > lists that I am on. > > That is spamming the lists and that is against the guidelines. So their > messages are being removed. (Sure hope I am explaining correctly). But, > since > you responded to that message, they are asking you if you want your > message > removed. > > I had that happen to me once on another list in a similar situation. > > As for the person who is going to create all sorts of fake lines, etc. > That > only hurts the users like you and me and others on the list. All the > companies explain that they have no control over the accuracy of the data > placed on > those sites by people. > > So that will only hurt other searchers, especially folks who can't afford > to > subscribe to the various services or new people who are just learning the > ropes. > > And.... in the case of list admins, etc. You can write the list admin of > any > rootsweb list by sending a message to > listname-admin@rootsweb.com > > So you can write the admin for this list by sending a message to > NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com. > > So you might like to try contacting the admin that way. > > Hope all this helps a bit. > > Thanks - Emma > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2005 7:17:33 PM Central Standard Time, > zoblisrm@worldnet.att.net writes: > Yeah, me too! I received the same message for my reply. I did not click > on > the confirmation line as I did not request that my comment be removed from > the list. Does anyone know what this is all about? I certainly am not > used > to my fellow listers playing pranks on me or anyone else. Who is our host > on this list? We need an answer! > > Marge > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > To contact the list owner > NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, > but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual > instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to > NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the > message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with > NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to > NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the > message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with > NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at > NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 > >

Thank you, Emma. I appreciate this information! It helps to understand what this person is doing. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: ENC6@aol.com Sent: May 5, 2005 9:02 PM To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] "archive removal requests" Ok... am sort of going to try on this one. First of all, I am not the admin for this list. Am just a member like all of you. But... I believe this is what is happening. The original poster - tontobernstein - who started all this posted their original message to lots and lots and lots of lists. Their postings covered county lists in at least 5 states that I happen to know of just because of the lists that I am on. That is spamming the lists and that is against the guidelines. So their messages are being removed. (Sure hope I am explaining correctly). But, since you responded to that message, they are asking you if you want your message removed. I had that happen to me once on another list in a similar situation. As for the person who is going to create all sorts of fake lines, etc. That only hurts the users like you and me and others on the list. All the companies explain that they have no control over the accuracy of the data placed on those sites by people. So that will only hurt other searchers, especially folks who can't afford to subscribe to the various services or new people who are just learning the ropes. And.... in the case of list admins, etc. You can write the list admin of any rootsweb list by sending a message to listname-admin@rootsweb.com So you can write the admin for this list by sending a message to NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com. So you might like to try contacting the admin that way. Hope all this helps a bit. Thanks - Emma In a message dated 5/5/2005 7:17:33 PM Central Standard Time, zoblisrm@worldnet.att.net writes: Yeah, me too! I received the same message for my reply. I did not click on the confirmation line as I did not request that my comment be removed from the list. Does anyone know what this is all about? I certainly am not used to my fellow listers playing pranks on me or anyone else. Who is our host on this list? We need an answer! Marge ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== To contact the list owner NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com

I have also found my information on the internet and tried to have it removed to no avail. I caution everyone to be aware of OneGreatFamily and stay away from them. Some years ago, before FTM gave us the choice of privatize our file before passing it on to a family researcher I gave my files to a cousin in TX only to find it a few years later,when I was surfing the internet. Not only did I find my information there once, I found my person information listed 6 times. Up until then I knew nothing about this organization. At that time on their front page they stated you must have the consent, permission, from the individuals before you submitted their personal information. I e-mailed them and told them that I had not given anyone my permission to post the information on me, my husband, my children, and grandchildren, my siblings and their families, including the dates and places of births for everyone, not only my parents, grandparents, etc who are deceased. I request the names and e-mail addresses of those who submitted the information. I was e-mailed 3 different names and e-mail addresses. I only recognized one of the three names and it was one of the two e-mail addresses that bounced. The third person denied she had sent the information to OneGreatFamily and that I should get in touch with them. When I e-mail her back and told her they were the ones who gave me her name and e-mail address, she just said that she had forgotten that she had sent it. I finally got in touch with the one in TX, and he told me that when he sent OneGreatFamily the information it was a free site, now it is a membership site also. After, I got through telling him that I would never share my information with him again, he apologized and said he would see if he could get them to remove it. The last time I was able to sneak a peek they still have not removed it nor even privatize it like Ancestry.com and Family Tree Maker as I had request them to do. Hazel

Ok... am sort of going to try on this one. First of all, I am not the admin for this list. Am just a member like all of you. But... I believe this is what is happening. The original poster - tontobernstein - who started all this posted their original message to lots and lots and lots of lists. Their postings covered county lists in at least 5 states that I happen to know of just because of the lists that I am on. That is spamming the lists and that is against the guidelines. So their messages are being removed. (Sure hope I am explaining correctly). But, since you responded to that message, they are asking you if you want your message removed. I had that happen to me once on another list in a similar situation. As for the person who is going to create all sorts of fake lines, etc. That only hurts the users like you and me and others on the list. All the companies explain that they have no control over the accuracy of the data placed on those sites by people. So that will only hurt other searchers, especially folks who can't afford to subscribe to the various services or new people who are just learning the ropes. And.... in the case of list admins, etc. You can write the list admin of any rootsweb list by sending a message to listname-admin@rootsweb.com So you can write the admin for this list by sending a message to NCRuther-admin@rootsweb.com. So you might like to try contacting the admin that way. Hope all this helps a bit. Thanks - Emma In a message dated 5/5/2005 7:17:33 PM Central Standard Time, zoblisrm@worldnet.att.net writes: Yeah, me too! I received the same message for my reply. I did not click on the confirmation line as I did not request that my comment be removed from the list. Does anyone know what this is all about? I certainly am not used to my fellow listers playing pranks on me or anyone else. Who is our host on this list? We need an answer! Marge

Yeah, me too! I received the same message for my reply. I did not click on the confirmation line as I did not request that my comment be removed from the list. Does anyone know what this is all about? I certainly am not used to my fellow listers playing pranks on me or anyone else. Who is our host on this list? We need an answer! Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wesson" <lynnwess@earthlink.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] "archive removal requests" What is this about??? I received an email from Rootsweb asking if I requested to have my own message removed! I didn't ask to have my message removed, but obviously someone did. I wasn't even criticizing Ancestry or Rootsweb, just advising that people be careful about those with whom they share their data in whatever form, because some people don't seem to respect the ownership of our hard work. To whomever requested that my message be removed, I have this to say: Why are you so offended? If the shoe fits, wear it! ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== To search the archives for the mail list visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCRUTHER/

What is this about??? I received an email from Rootsweb asking if I requested to have my own message removed! I didn't ask to have my message removed, but obviously someone did. I wasn't even criticizing Ancestry or Rootsweb, just advising that people be careful about those with whom they share their data in whatever form, because some people don't seem to respect the ownership of our hard work. To whomever requested that my message be removed, I have this to say: Why are you so offended? If the shoe fits, wear it!

So, this is what internet genealogy has come to. If you dare to criticize the way things are done in Corporate Genealogy then not only are you unsubscribed without a hearing, but all traces of your thoughts are expunged from the archives. I would understand it if a person showed a repeated pattern of abusing the rules, but apparently one infraction is all it takes. I have feared this day ever since Rootsweb was bought out by Ancestry.com. Now it has arrived. I refuse to play along. I have decided to become an insurgent. I will go on Familytreemaker and create one bogus tree after another. Then I will cut and past family lines from other family trees into my software and download them to Rootsweb. I will make George Washington the father of hordes of out-of-wedlock kids. Everybody will have an Indian Princess in their backgrounds. Pocahontas will be everybody's ggggggrandmother. I'll mix slaves and whites. How much damage do you think I could do in a year's time? Plenty. If Ancestry's databases become so corrupted that nobody can trust them then perhaps they will get the message and treat us with the respect we deserve.

If you are interesting in owning one of the best sets of records for the Tryon/Rutherford Co., NC area check out the following link http://www.rfci.net/wdfloyd/goof.html Bill

I'm researching the family of William Robbins (bef 1755-1815/16) and wife Sarah. There is a Robbins surname DNA project underway and we need more males with the Robbins surname to participate. I'd ultimately like to see someone from each son of William and Sarah get tested to verify some long standing (but not necessarily correct) conclusions. There's a page on my web site relating to this project - Thanks, Tamara http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tamara/genie1.html

Don't know about Excel files but any word processing file saved in "Rich Text Format" (RTF) can be read by any other word processing program. ----- Original Message ----- From: NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NCRUTHER-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:NCRUTHER-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: NCRUTHER-D Digest V05 #50

Hi, Bill, I took a look, and it all looks very good. We can never thank you enough for all the research you have done during your life. I breath a sigh of relief knowing that your work will be preserved so that it will be available long after your time on this earth. Often I had wondered what would happen to the body of research, and it's fantastic that you have taken steps to preserve it. This is just one more thing that shows your dedication to making data available. Thank you again for all you've done. And let's hope you have another 70 to go! Cecelia

Bill You have helped me and my mom on many many occasions researching Hunsinger/Huntsinger from both NC and SC. I can understand your train of thought as far as all your information on the web site is concerned. Mom (God Bless her) will be 80 in July and is still into our genealogy. Just tell me where to send the check, I want 2 sets. One for me and one for Mom. God Bless You for all you have done, may you live a long long time a very healthy life.....Charlotte

Lee, This information you found is not far fetched. One of my Yelton ancestors, James Yelton, supposedly worked in a Mica mine in SC. He lived and married in the Rutherfordton area of NC. His widow later moved with her 2nd husband to Mitchell Co., NC where my Yelton's and Harrell's got together. The Yelton's came to the Rutherford Co. area from Amhurst, VA and for a time lived in Iredell Co., before going on south to Rutherford. They were originally from Stafford Co., VA. and the three brothers, Charles, James and William eventually moved to KY. A lot of their children did too, but James oldest son John stayed in Rutherford and a younger son Charles went to TN. Time frame: James Yelton was in Iredell Co., NC in the 1810 Census was born in Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., VA 15 Jul 1749 John Yelton born c. 1776 prob. Stafford Co., VA Married Mary Polly Deck 30 Aug 1806 Rutherford, NC James Yelton born 1807, Rutherford, NC died 1838 (supposedly from Mica Mine Lung Disease) married Mary Canup in 1827. who then married William P. Hutchins in 1840 in Rutherford Co., NC they moved to Yancey/Mitchell Co. Also, we know there were Harrells in the Rutherford Co. area at an early date. Thanks for this information Lee, I will see if I can follow up on it. Iris