(Sue - I sent this to you personally but not sure it went through so I will post on the list:) Sue, I am not actively researching this line but here are some tidbits that might get you going in the right direction: Rutherford Co Heritage, Vol 1 page 379 in an article written by James E. Lancaster he lists one of the children of Daniel Shipman and Elizabeth Burleson Shipman as "Rebecca b ca 1757 m (Jacob?) Cisco." So you might want to check out the "Cisco" line as well as the Francisco line. I don't know if James Lancaster is a member of this list or not but someone may know him. Also: Bettye Steele Watters has a book on the Shipmans that might help. I think either of these folks can help you with documentation. Kathy Summers

This is a message from one of our list members. Please send any replies to her. From: David Grimm To: NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Hannah (Annar, Anner?) Francisco I am seeking to establish that Hannah Francisco born 10/10/1785 in Rutherford Co. N.C. was the daughter of Jacob Francisco born about 1755 and Rebecca Shipman born about 1765. Believe Jacob and Rebecca (parents of Hannah) born in N.C. Hannah Francisco married Daniel Lee. I have an email address of lazilady@fbg.net who posted a website dealing with Jacob Francisco and Rebecca Shipman, but I can't get a reply from that person. I would appreciate any guidance you can give me in obtaining this information re: Hannah Francisco's parentage. Thank you for your help. Jacob Francisco is is my gggg grandfather. Sue Grimm R.R. 1 Box 26 Verona, MO 65769

The following e-mail is of great concern to any genealogists who use archives. Please read, sign the petition, then send this to any other Rootsweb or genealogy lists you're on. The President's budget recommendations for Fiscal Year 2006 slash or eliminate more than 150 federal programs. In that budget, the National Historical Publications and Records Commission (NHPRC) has been targeted to receive NO funding. This includes no funds for the grants program and no funds for staffing to support the NHPRC programs. It effectively eliminates NHPRC. The Council of State Historical Records Coordinators, the Society of American Archivists, and the National Association for Government Archivists and Records Administrators are working collaboratively to address this threat to NHPRC and NARA. Archivists across the U.S. are rallying to save NHPRC while also ensuring that NARA has sufficient funding to sustain its current programs and continue to advance in areas that benefit all archival repositories and every citizen of the United States. As part of our efforts to continue to express to Congress interest in restoration of funding for NHPRC, we have created an online petition. Please consider signing this petition, and please forward it to any listservs, e-mail groups, or organizations and people you feel would be interested in helping with this effort. It is a quick and easy way for many people to assist. The petition will be forwarded to the House Appropriations Committee and Subcommittee on Treasury, Transportation, HUD and the Judiciary in late May. The petition can be access at: _www.savearchives.org_ (http://www.savearchives.org/) Click on the "petition" button. If you have not received a previous action alert on this issue, we encourage you to also write a letter to your members of Congress. For information on writing letters of support, see any of the following websites: www.savearchives.org_ (http://www.savearchives.org/) www.coshrc.org_ (http://www.coshrc.org/) www.archivists.org_ (http://www.archivists.org/) Thanks for your efforts to save this important program for archives! Members of the NHPRC Joint Advocacy Task Force Council of State Historical Records Coordinators: David Carmicheal, Sandra Clark, Kathleen Roe Society of American Archivists: Nancy Beaumont, Peter Gottlieb, Rand Jimerson, Joan Krizack, Richard Pearce-Moses National Association of Government Archivists and Records Administrators: Timothy Slavin

Hello Everyone, After my trip to NC in March, I mentioned that my family and I are wanting to move to the Raleigh/Cary area. Shortly after a lady from the Cary area e-mailed me and offered to help with information and such. I thought I saved the e-mail, but it is no where to be found. If you are that lady, would you please e-mail again? Thanks, Melody Booker

There is no marriage listed for Mary Elizabeth Sanders and John H. Crocker in the book of Rutherford Co marriages 1868-1908. Have you checked all the info on Bill Floyd's website? Maybe you will find it there. http://rfci.net/wdfloyd/ Cecelia ----- Original Message ----- From: <VMB42484@aol.com> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] Mary Elizabeth Sanders Crocker > Hello Everyone, > > I am looking for information on the marriage of Mary Elizabeth Sanders and > John H. Crocker, which took place around 1898-1899. She was born Aug. 23 1878. > Does anyone out there have an index for those two years, and would check for > me? Also she died on September 4, 1903. Does anyone have a death index for > Rutherford for 1903, that is able to look it up? Thanks to anyone who can assist me > with this. > > Sincerely, > > Mark Bray > Boiling Springs, SC > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com > To search the archives for the mail list > visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCRUTHER/ > To search "any" list archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >

Hello Everyone, I am looking for information on the marriage of Mary Elizabeth Sanders and John H. Crocker, which took place around 1898-1899. She was born Aug. 23 1878. Does anyone out there have an index for those two years, and would check for me? Also she died on September 4, 1903. Does anyone have a death index for Rutherford for 1903, that is able to look it up? Thanks to anyone who can assist me with this. Sincerely, Mark Bray Boiling Springs, SC

On Linkpantirum there is some sort of link to NC obits. http://www.linkpendium.com/ Also For obituary lookups in NC go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~obitl/volnc.html Betty Pace From: "Martin W. Beerman" <mwbeerman@cox.net> To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:24:57 -0500 Subject: HOAGLAND

Can someone please tell me how best to obtain a copy of a newspaper obituary for Alan Douglas HOAGLAND, a resident of Murfreesboro, Rutherford Co., who died Aug. 10, 2004? Thanks very much. M.W. Beerman Omaha, NE

In a message dated 5/25/2005 11:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KWood17706@aol.com writes: I was looking at bastardy bonds a while back. That name is very familiar. I was at my archives, in Cleveland county looking at them . I will try to look again. Seems it just listed her name, no other name. I think she must have been paying her own bond. Is that possible? I am not sure if she did or her father did. I just know one was filed 1820's before she married Jacob Wolf in 1825 in Rutherford County. I appreciate it so much if you can help me. I have written to you private to explain why. A great big thanks for writing me. Melanie Malone

In a message dated 5/25/2005 8:01:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: By the way if anyone runs across a Bastardy Bond that Nancy McEntire Thompson( ? THOMPSON, was on marriage bond as such) filed against Jacob Wolf for a child born to her before they married in Dec 1825. She waas daughter of Andrew Aaron McEntire and Ellender. He died in 1827 and she is named in his will of which I have a copy of from Rutherford County. Thanks, Melanie Malone Melanie, I was looking at bastardy bonds a while back. That name is very familiar. I was at my archives, in Cleveland county looking at them . I will try to look again. Seems it just listed her name, no other name. I think she must have been paying her own bond. Is that possible?

Melanie, I found the Rowan Co. Bastardy Bonds on Linkpentium--they are a little out of order so you have to scroll through. Maybe the bonds for Rutherford Co. NC are there also. http://www.linkpendium.com/ Betty Pace

I had someone look for a Bastardy Bond at the state archives and from what they told me their were boxes and boxes of info not in the right boxes and in no order at the archives also. So it isn't only the county courthouses. By the way if anyone runs across a Bastardy Bond that Nancy McEntire Thompson( ? THOMPSON, was on marriage bond as such) filed against Jacob Wolf for a child born to her before they married in Dec 1825. She waas daughter of Andrew Aaron McEntire and Ellender. He died in 1827 and she is named in his will of which I have a copy of from Rutherford County. Thanks, Melanie Malone Researching : WOLF, WOLFE, DEDMON, DEADMAN, MCENTIRE, MCINTIRE, BAILEY, LEE, LEIGH LEA, GRIGG, FORTUNE, SUTTLE, BAXTER, BRIDGES, OATES, SUMMEY, HOLLAND, CONDREY, ROUSE AND A FEW OTHERS

Folks take a look at my webpage for info about Rutherford Co., NC Deeds. http://www.rfci.net/wdfloyd/goof.html Bill

Hello Everyone, Try as I might, I could not get this page in a different format. I could also not put it on my website due to lack of space. So here it is. I hope it is not confusing. The first number is the deed number, the second number is the page(s) number. Melody Booker DEED INDEX RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC Deeds on film prior to Deed Book A: No. Grantor Grantee Date Page 1 William Darren Samuel Reed Ap. 26, 1779 p. 1 2 James Miller John Wharrey Feb. 18, 1779 p. 2 3 Elias Alexander Richard Hix July 25, 1779 p. 3 4 Benjamin Kuykendall Joseph Kuykendall Mar. 28, 1779 p.4,5 5 Robert Porter William Smart Jr. July 27, 1779 p. 5,6 6 John Withrow James Withrow Mar. 2, 1779 p. 7,8 7 John & Marget Neevin Patrick Watson Dec. 24, 1778 p. 8,9 8 Thomas Price James Davison Dec. 11, 1771 p. 10,11 9 Thomas Morris Gideon Rucker Jan. 20, 1779 p. 12, 13 10 John Mclain David McClain July 16, 1779 p. 13 11 William Stockton William Willis Nov. 23, 1778 p. 14,15 12 John McClain Charles McClain July 16, 1779 p. 15 13 John McClain Rebecca McClain July 16, 1779 p. 16 14 John McClain Ephraim McClain July 16, 1779 p. 17 15 Andrew Haslep William McElmurry July 19, 1779 p. 18,19 16 John McClain Margaret McClain July 16, 1779 p. 20 17 John McClain Mary McClain July 16, 1779 p. 21 18 William & Jean Stockton John Smith Nov. 3, 1778 p. 22,23 19 Andrew McMurry Senr. John & Andrew Goforth July 1779 p. 23,24 20 Robert & Ann Nevans William Nevans, Henry Nevans Nancy Nevans Samuel Andrew May 11, 1778 p. 25,26 21 William Hall Mary Jones Nov. 19, 1778 p. 26,27 22 John Lewis John Harris July 26, 1779 p. 28 John McClain 23 Richard Hix John Thomason Feb. 9,1778 p. 29 24 John Walker William Cleghorn April 12, 1767 30,31 25 Jonas Bedford William Hawkins April 20, 1779 p. 31,32 26 Adam Whiteside Daniel Stockton Jan. 1779 p. 33,34 27 John McFading Isham Reavis November1779 p.34,35 28 Joseph Richey James Hamrick Jan. 23, 1778 36,37 29 Hugh Killpatrick John McClure Sept. 29 1779 38,39 30 Andrew Hampton Noah Hampton July 1779 39,40 31 Patrick & Margaret Hamilton Benjamin Adams Sr. Jan. 21, 1779 41,42 32 State of NC Samuel Spencer Dec. 7, 1778 42,43 33 State of NC Thomas Spriggs Dec. 10, 1778 44 34 State of NC Samuel Spencer Dec. 10, 1778 45 35 State of NC James Logan Dec. 10, 1778 46 36 State of NC Thomas Sprigs Dec. 10,1778 47 37 State of NC Joseph McDonald Dec. 12, 1778 48 DEED BOOK A: No. Grantor Grantee Date Page 1 James Millican Julious Clarkson Nov. 20, 1780 49 2 Thomas Spriggs James Logan Jan. 4, 1780 50 3 John Flumon William Langhorn Dec. 11, 1780 51 4 William Monroe James Whitesides Jan. 22, 1780 52,53 5 William & Sarah Gilbert Richard Ledbetter Jan. 25, 1780 53,54

It is really sad to think that there are genealogists out there that think there is only one important family - theirs! We all work so hard you'd think we'd all have compassion for other people who are working as hard as we are. Just selfishness, that's all!! Marge

There are actually two versions of the URL in the emails (the original one and your follow-up today, Melody). One has extra spaces before and/or after which cause a "not found" error. The one inside parentheses works. I just clicked on the "wrong one"! Looking forward to seeing what you have, Margaret Lindsey Smith

Margaret and others, I am still working on getting the deed index for Book A p. 1-50 in a format I can put on a website. I am beginning to think I just may have to type it over again. Looks like I need a refresher course in Microsoft Office... I work the rest of this week, but hope to work on the deed index more this weekend. I will let everyone know when it is on my website. The URL is: _http://hometown.aol.com/mellybkr_ (http://hometown.aol.com/mellybkr) I just checked and the website did come up, so it must have been a temporary thing. Thanks, Melody Booker

Bill The thing that impressed me a few years ago when I first started seeking my roots was the accessibility to records in Rutherford. I am saddened to learn of the missing pages. Thanks to you, much of this has/will survive because of your work. Thanks for all you do! Bill McKinney

This is sad to me, that people feel the need to take records rather than just copying them.. But these days genealogy is making me sad, the meanspiritness of people I remember a kinder world. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. D. Floyd" <wdfloyd@rfci.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] NC Courthouse Access > Good Morning Folks, > Do we sometimes wonder why our access to records are being taken away? Well, let me explain. The Rutherford County, NC has two rooms for the Register of Deeds Office. One has the newer records in it with all the working personnel. In the other room is all the older records with open access with no supervision. I have grumbled before about people like you and me, researchers, unshelving books and never putting them up. Today I was in there making photos of the pages in a Deed Book when I found that two pages in the book had been ripped out. In the next room is a copy machine that can be used to make copies for a dime a piece. These Deed Books are our oldest and the NC State Archives made these hand written copies of the old deeds that were placed in the NC Archives. The pages were laminated so they would last almos forever. So now rather than make a copy we rip out the pages, just great! This is the deed that was ripped out "Johnston, James / Johnston, John / Deed/E-I/34! > 1/1789" > I know that we have all seen people doing things in the Register of Deeds Offices across the state that were not "just right" and didn't say anything to them. We need to start saying something and kind of policing ourselves or we are going to eventually lose our free access to these public records. OK, I have that "off my chest" now so Thank You, Bill > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com > To search the archives for the mail list > visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCRUTHER/ > To search "any" list archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Hi, Lynn, Don't count on such people to be honorable enough to return the pages. Such people aren't honorable or they wouldn't have stolen the pages to begin with. They are nothing more than mere criminals. I was in the NC state archives earlier this year. I was using one box of files for a particular county (not Rutherford). It was an absolute mess! Many papers had been put into the wrong file folders and the folders were out of order. It was ridiculous. You'd think anyone with sense enough to go to the archives could put things into the proper file folder. The mandated system says to take out one folder at a time, putting this big pink (orange?) card sticking out in its place. Then put the papers back into the file folder and return it to where the pink card is. Duh! Some people just resent being told how to do things and refuse to cooperate. Even in a room as small as the reading room of the archives it is not possible for the employees to monitor as closely as I'm sure they would like. Anyway, that's what I was told when I called attention to the mis-filing to the employee. He thanked me for letting them know so they could fix the problem. OK, I'm getting off my high horse. Cecelia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wesson" <lynnwess@earthlink.net> To: <NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [NCRUTHER-L] NC Courthouse Access > Thank you for posting this, Bill. And I would like to add that if by some chance anyone reading this board knows anything about this act of vandalism, it would be the honorable thing to do to arrange for the return of the pages that were removed. > Lynn Wesson > Hillsborough, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: "W. D. Floyd" <wdfloyd@rfci.net> > Sent: May 18, 2005 11:00 AM > To: NCRUTHER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCRUTHER-L] NC Courthouse Access > > Good Morning Folks, > Do we sometimes wonder why our access to records are being taken away? Well, let me explain. The Rutherford County, NC has two rooms for the Register of Deeds Office. One has the newer records in it with all the working personnel. In the other room is all the older records with open access with no supervision. I have grumbled before about people like you and me, researchers, unshelving books and never putting them up. Today I was in there making photos of the pages in a Deed Book when I found that two pages in the book had been ripped out. In the next room is a copy machine that can be used to make copies for a dime a piece. These Deed Books are our oldest and the NC State Archives made these hand written copies of the old deeds that were placed in the NC Archives. The pages were laminated so they would last almos forever. So now rather than make a copy we rip out the pages, just great! This is the deed that was ripped out "Johnston, James / Johnston, John / Deed/E-I/34! > 1/1789" > I know that we have all seen people doing things in the Register of Deeds Offices across the state that were not "just right" and didn't say anything to them. We need to start saying something and kind of policing ourselves or we are going to eventually lose our free access to these public records. OK, I have that "off my chest" now so Thank You, Bill > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com > To search the archives for the mail list > visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCRUTHER/ > To search "any" list archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== NCRUTHER Mailing List ==== > Subscribing: Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > Unsubscribing: To leave NCRUTHER-L, send mail to NCRUTHER-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave NCRUTHER-D, do the same thing with NCRUTHER-D-request@rootsweb.com. > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at NCRUTHER-admin@rootsweb.com > To search the archives for the mail list > visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCRUTHER/ > To search "any" list archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >