hi all - can someone give me some information on (various) web sites for new hanover county? there seem to be plenty of sites for most of the other n.c. counties, but new hanover seems harder than most to get records via the internet. sure would appreciate the help. thanks in advance. julie thames howell, jax, fla researching surnames: THAMES and DUDLEY Elizabeth Harris wrote: > New or revised files uploaded to the archives this week. Note: many of the > /census/ files listed are the indexes to the censuses, supplied by S-K > Publications, who are in the process of providing actual images of these > censuses to the USGenWeb Archives. > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/anson/wills/l2000001.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/ashe/wills/mcmiln01.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/ashe/wills/mcmiln02.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/ashe/wills/mcmiln03.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/beaufort/census/1850/NCBEAUFO.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/bertie/Bibles/powell.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/carteret/census/1850/carter50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/caswell/census/1850/caswel50.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/caswell/wills/berry01.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/caswell/wills/berry02.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1800/1800chat.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1800/1800cha1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1800/1800cha2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1820/chat1820.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1820/1820cenc.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1820/1820cend.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1810/chat1810.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1830/chat1830.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1850/chat1850.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/census/1840/chat1840.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chatham/court/marbocou.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/cherokee/census/1840/cherok40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/cherokee/census/1850/cherok50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/chowan/census/1850/NCCHOWAN.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/forsyth/census/NCFORSYT.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/franklin/census/1850/frnkln50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/gaston/census/1850/gast1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/gates/census/1850/NCGATES.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/granville/wills/g4200001.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/granville/wills/s6550001.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/guilford/census/1850/guil1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/henderson/census/1840/hndrsn40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/henderson/census/1850/hndrsn50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1800/hrtfrd00.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1810/hrtfrd10.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1820/hrtfrd20.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1830/hrtfrd30.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1840/hrtfrd40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hertford/census/1850/hrtfrd50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/bios/sylveste.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/bios/tennconn.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyde50.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800-7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hy1800.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyd1786.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyd1786a.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyd1786b.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyd1786c.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyde1790.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyde1791.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/census/hyde1792.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/church/mattabap.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/court/hydest2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/court/hydest1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/court/hydest3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/court/hydest4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/court/hydest5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/amerrevo.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydclaim.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hyde1890.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hyde1892.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa8.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydecsa9.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hyderaid.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydeusa1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/hydraid8.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/veterens.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/military/vietnam.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/misc/berybook.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/misc/hydemove.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/misc/lifesave.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/misc/ocrahist.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article0.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article8.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/article9.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen26.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen28.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen29.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen30.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen31.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen32.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen33.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen34.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen35.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen36.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen37.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen38.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen39.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/newspapers/messen41.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsa.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsb.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsb2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsc.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsc2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsd.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitse.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsf.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsg.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsg2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsh.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsi.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsj.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsk.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsl.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsm.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsm2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsn.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitso.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsp.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsq.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsr.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitss.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitss2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitst.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsv.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsw.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/obits/obitsy.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1740tax.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1865tax.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/taxlists/1874tax6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwil10.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwil11.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill3.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill4.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill5.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill8.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwill9.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/hydwills.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/will5-1.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/will5-2.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/hyde/wills/willbk5.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/johnston/census/1850/john1850.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/johnston/wills/s5300001.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/jones/census/1850/jones50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/macon/census/1850/macon50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/madison/military/cw/pension/payne01.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/martin/census/1850/NCMARTIN.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/mecklenburg/census/1850/meck1850.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/mecklenburg/wills/p3200001.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/montgomery/census/1850/mont1850.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/montgomery/wills/jabattew.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/onslow/census/1850/onslow50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/orange/wills/hill01.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/orange/wills/holden01.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/orange/wills/holden02.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/orange/census/1850/orange50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/person/court/hamlet02.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/cemeteries/laughinghouseC.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/cemeteries/grimeslandC.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/cemeteries/avonC.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/census/1850/NCPITT.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/pitt/wills/slaughtertW.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/randolph/census/1850/rand1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/richmond/census/1850/rich1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/robeson/census/1850/robesn50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/deeds/bltojs.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/deeds/mecsdeed.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/deeds/soyers01.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/deeds/soyers02.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/obits/soyers05.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/vitals/soyers04.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/wills/soyers03.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rockingham/census/1850/rock1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rowan/census/1850/rowan50.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rowan/wills/p3200001.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stanly/census/1850/stan1850.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stanly/obits/bermclob.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stokes/deeds/helsebk6.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stokes/deeds/helsebk7.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stokes/deeds/helsebk8.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/stokes/deeds/helsebk9.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/union/census/1850/unio1850.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wake/census/1800/wake1800.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wake/census/1830/wake1830.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wake/census/1840/wake1840.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/warren/census/1850/warren50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/watauga/census/1850/wataug50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1800/wilkes00.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1810/wilkes10.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1820/wilkes20.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1830/wilkes30.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1840/wilkes40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/wilkes/census/1850/wilkes50.txt > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/yancey/census/1840/yancey40.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/yancey/census/1850/yancey50.txt > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/yancey/census/tolycens.txt > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Discussion on this list is restricted to NORTH CAROLINA GENEALOGY only. > Please don't include NCROOTS as a recipient for your personal correspondence. > For comments or list administration questions, contact Elizabeth Harris, ncgen@mindspring.com