In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:10:31 PM Central Standard Time, JColetx@aol.com writes: . Ancestry.com is a money grubbing, slippery company. If you read their fine print in the Terms of Reference, you will they claim that any data you send to them becomes their propert. I know other researchers who have been taken in by this scam. Ancestry stole their intellectual property of years of hard work. .......................................... Good Evening Everyone, I am so sorry but I just can't let this one pass. The statement above is not acurate and perhaps there is confusion between two different companies. I too have my concerns with Ancestry.com but they don't claim your work as their property. Another company does but Ancestry.com doesn't. Look at these sites and you can see what I mean. First of all - go to the link below. User contributed data - Ancestry.com is a distributor only. And then you can read the rest of that paragraph. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm">Ancestry.com - Terms & Conditions</A> User provided content Portions of the Service will contain user provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content. For this content, Ancestry is a distributor only. By submitting content to Ancestry, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the content to use, host, distribute that Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Content. You should submit only content which belongs to you and will not violate the property or other rights of other people or organizations. MyFamily.com, Inc. is sensitive to the copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. For more concerning copyright issues, view our <A HREF="http://www.myfamilyinc.com/about_us/copyright.htm">corporate policy</A>. We will not edit or monitor user provided content, with the exception that, to promote privacy, an automated filtering tool will be used to suppress and omit from display information submitted to the Ancestry World Tree which appears in our best judgment to pertain to a living person. MyFamily.com, Inc also reserves the right to remove any user provided content that comes to its attention and that it believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, obscene, indecent, defamatory, incites racial or ethnic hatred or violates the rights of others. And then at this link you will read an explanation of what happens when you submit your family tree to Ancestry. Note the statement: You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/trees/benefits.htm">Tree Benefits</A> Why should I start my tree at Ancestry? We hope you enjoy using all of the features available at Ancestry to create, grow, save, and share your family tree. The following is a list of several reasons to use Ancestry as the center for your family history research: Find more information on your ancestors fast - Ancestry combines family tree functionality with actual databases. You can find information on your ancestors by searching more than 1.2 billion names directly from the Online Family Tree. Sharing - You can share your tree with others privately or publicly. Submitting your tree to the Ancestry World Tree allows you to share your tree to genealogists all over the world. The Ancestry World Tree, which contains over 200 million names (including 25 million UK & Ireland names), is the largest database of its kind on the Internet. Collaboration - Ancestry has a large community of dedicated researchers who help each other in their attempts to grow their family trees. The Online Family Tree also lets you invite others to participate in updating your family tree in a private, secure environment. Ownership - You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. Helping others- When you share and collaborate with others on your tree, you will also be helping others with their research. You may have a specific date or event in your tree that someone else has been trying to find for years. Now.... here is the information from Genealogy.com. Look at this site: When you submit your family information to Genealogy.com you do give them lots of rights as you can tell by reading their terms of service. But that is genealogy.com - not ancestry.com. <A HREF="http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html">Genealogy.com: Terms of Service</A> 8. Genealogy.com's Proprietary Rights A. Subject to the Genealogy.com Privacy Policy, by inputting, uploading or posting any family tree information, data, family stories, ideas, drawings, opinions, messages, eyewitness accounts, or any other information or materials, or engaging in any other form of communication (each, a "Submission") through the Sites, you grant Genealogy.com and its Affiliated Companies a royalty free, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, transferable, worldwide license to (i) use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, archive, and display any such Submission in any medium now known or hereafter developed; (ii) exploit any proprietary rights in such Submission, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws in any relevant jurisdiction; and (iii) sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights. ............................................ As I said, I too have some issues with Ancestry.com but.... thought this should be clarified. Again, my apologies for extending this topic any longer. Thanks for listening. Emma

I like this list when it pertains to genealogy. Can EACH one of us send in there vote on this? Marie -----Original Message----- From: ENC6@aol.com [mailto:ENC6@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:59 PM To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:10:31 PM Central Standard Time, JColetx@aol.com writes: . Ancestry.com is a money grubbing, slippery company. If you read their fine print in the Terms of Reference, you will they claim that any data you send to them becomes their propert. I know other researchers who have been taken in by this scam. Ancestry stole their intellectual property of years of hard work. .......................................... Good Evening Everyone, I am so sorry but I just can't let this one pass. The statement above is not acurate and perhaps there is confusion between two different companies. I too have my concerns with Ancestry.com but they don't claim your work as their property. Another company does but Ancestry.com doesn't. Look at these sites and you can see what I mean. First of all - go to the link below. User contributed data - Ancestry.com is a distributor only. And then you can read the rest of that paragraph. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm">Ancestry.com - Terms & Conditions</A> User provided content Portions of the Service will contain user provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content. For this content, Ancestry is a distributor only. By submitting content to Ancestry, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the content to use, host, distribute that Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Content. You should submit only content which belongs to you and will not violate the property or other rights of other people or organizations. MyFamily.com, Inc. is sensitive to the copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. For more concerning copyright issues, view our <A HREF="http://www.myfamilyinc.com/about_us/copyright.htm">corporate policy</A>. We will not edit or monitor user provided content, with the exception that, to promote privacy, an automated filtering tool will be used to suppress and omit from display information submitted to the Ancestry World Tree which appears in our best judgment to pertain to a living person. MyFamily.com, Inc also reserves the right to remove any user provided content that comes to its attention and that it believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, obscene, indecent, defamatory, incites racial or ethnic hatred or violates the rights of others. And then at this link you will read an explanation of what happens when you submit your family tree to Ancestry. Note the statement: You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/trees/benefits.htm">Tree Benefits</A> Why should I start my tree at Ancestry? We hope you enjoy using all of the features available at Ancestry to create, grow, save, and share your family tree. The following is a list of several reasons to use Ancestry as the center for your family history research: Find more information on your ancestors fast - Ancestry combines family tree functionality with actual databases. You can find information on your ancestors by searching more than 1.2 billion names directly from the Online Family Tree. Sharing - You can share your tree with others privately or publicly. Submitting your tree to the Ancestry World Tree allows you to share your tree to genealogists all over the world. The Ancestry World Tree, which contains over 200 million names (including 25 million UK & Ireland names), is the largest database of its kind on the Internet. Collaboration - Ancestry has a large community of dedicated researchers who help each other in their attempts to grow their family trees. The Online Family Tree also lets you invite others to participate in updating your family tree in a private, secure environment. Ownership - You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. Helping others- When you share and collaborate with others on your tree, you will also be helping others with their research. You may have a specific date or event in your tree that someone else has been trying to find for years. Now.... here is the information from Genealogy.com. Look at this site: When you submit your family information to Genealogy.com you do give them lots of rights as you can tell by reading their terms of service. But that is genealogy.com - not ancestry.com. <A HREF="http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html">Genealogy.com: Terms of Service</A> 8. Genealogy.com's Proprietary Rights A. Subject to the Genealogy.com Privacy Policy, by inputting, uploading or posting any family tree information, data, family stories, ideas, drawings, opinions, messages, eyewitness accounts, or any other information or materials, or engaging in any other form of communication (each, a "Submission") through the Sites, you grant Genealogy.com and its Affiliated Companies a royalty free, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, transferable, worldwide license to (i) use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, archive, and display any such Submission in any medium now known or hereafter developed; (ii) exploit any proprietary rights in such Submission, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws in any relevant jurisdiction; and (iii) sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights. ............................................ As I said, I too have some issues with Ancestry.com but.... thought this should be clarified. Again, my apologies for extending this topic any longer. Thanks for listening. Emma ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== NC Military Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/