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Hello List, Does anyone know of a website where I could find a listing of the indices of the early land records in Henderson County? I'm interesting in those early records in that part of Buncombe that became Henderson in the middle of the 1800s. Am I correct that part of Buncombe became Henderson in 1848? Thanks, Louise in VA ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Hi to All, If you have an interest in the Evans and related families you may enjoy viewing my Evans web page. Perhaps we could make a connection. To view the site, which is in most search engines, please click on WWW.GOOGLE.COM and type in EVANSPAGE. My site should be the first one listed. Thanks, Alex H. Evans

Roger I did get a lot of info from these FREE data bases! THANKS A MILLION! ~Clay~

Does anyone have any information on John William Raines born in North Carolina or Georgia in 1869 and moved to Texas about 1900 to 1905. Married to Rachel Lenora (Lenora maybe her middle name) Also may be connected to Russell L. Raines   born 1874 & R.H. Raines born 1840. Thank You, cp

I have just placed on my webpage at http://www.rfci.net/wdfloyd the 1930 Cleveland Co., NC Census Index. Bill

I have now added the 1920 Rutherford Co., NC Census Index to my website at http://www.rfci.net/wdfloyd Bill

I have recently placed on my website at http://www.rfci.net/wdfloyd indexes for the 1910 and 1920 Cleveland Co., NC Census and the 1910 Rutherford Co., NC Census. These were made using the Heritage Quest CD's. Bill

Does anyone have any information on John William Raines born in 1869 and moved to Texas after 1900. Married to Rachel Lenora (Lenora maybe her middle name) Also may be connected to Russell L. Raines   born 1874 & R.H. Raines born 1840. Thank You, cp                                 

>I like this list when it pertains to genealogy. >Can EACH one of us send in there vote on this? >Marie Please let's NOT vote on this. We have nearly 1000 subscribers on this list, and if even a third of them write in, we'll have a flood of mail that nobody wants. If you feel you must express an opinion, please write to me PRIVATELY (ncgen@mindspring.com). I'm your list administrator, and I'll listen to what you have to say. For now, however, I would like to see this thread ended (i.e. discussion of the merits and demerits of various on-line genealogy venues). I would also like to remind you that the focus of this list is specifically North Carolina genealogy. Virus warnings, recirculated net humor, prayers, political opinions, or other off-topic messages are inappropriate for this list, no matter how compelling, touching, or funny they may be. We're entering a difficult time nationally, and you may be tempted to pass something you've read along to your friends. This is fine, but please be careful to send it to them privately. Do not send it to everyone in your address book if that address book includes list addresses, and specifically do not send it to NCROOTS. -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com NCGenWeb project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/

I've let this thread run for a while because it is genealogy-related, but at this point it seems to be turning into a bashing of on-line companies. Yes, there are some unscrupulous ones out there, and there are also some legitimate companies that offer data to subscribers only. It's up to you to decide whether what a for-pay company is offering is worth what they're asking. I think it's time now to get back to our focus of real North Carolina genealogy. Please, no more messages on this "8 New Databases" topic. Your list administrator, -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com NCGenWeb project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/

The Robert MOFFITT/Margaret STUART Family File website has been updated. There are over 2,700 entries. Please remember, it's a work-in-progress meant for leads and clues and all information must be further verified and documented. NC-ers and CHAMNESS note: MOFFITTS intermarried CHAMNESS in Randolph Co., NO. There are many CHAMNESS entries. Please visit: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/moffitt/WC_TOC.HTM For other Family Files and Most Wanted pages please visit http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/ As always, any comments or corrections are most welcome mailto:ybowers@comcast.net -- Yvonne Bowers, Listmom, Webmom New email addy 3/1/03 mailto:ybowers@comcast.net MOFFITT, MOFFETT, MOFFAT and MOFFATT Mailing Lists & Message Boards MOFFITT Most Wanted http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/moffitt.html Robert MOFFITT & Margaret STUART Family File http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/moffitt/WC_TOC.HTM

Virginia, As I just wrote Emma, I'm at a loss now. No typing is required. Just scroll down. I don't know what else to tell you. Sincerely, Roger Awesome Genealogy http://www.awesomegenealogy.com NCROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: From: Chardennay@aol.com To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases The same thing happened to me and even when I signed up for a free trial, it never let me in to any info or data. Virginia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Goodness me! Emma I'm sorry you're having so much trouble viewing the free information on my site. To be honest I'm at a loss at to how to explain how to see it. Other people have and I've received positive feedback. The only other thing I can say is, do not type anything. You only need to scroll down. That's all. Scroll down on the direct links I've already provided. No typing. :) Regards, Roger Awesome Genealogy http://www.awesomegenealogy.com NCROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: From: ENC6@aol.com To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases Sorry - did that - got 131 hits - when I look at the hits and try to actually look at the information I get the message that I need to sign on or.... get a free 7 day trial. I can not actually see the data. Thanks for trying - - Emma --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

I like this list when it pertains to genealogy. Can EACH one of us send in there vote on this? Marie -----Original Message----- From: ENC6@aol.com [mailto:ENC6@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:59 PM To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:10:31 PM Central Standard Time, JColetx@aol.com writes: . Ancestry.com is a money grubbing, slippery company. If you read their fine print in the Terms of Reference, you will they claim that any data you send to them becomes their propert. I know other researchers who have been taken in by this scam. Ancestry stole their intellectual property of years of hard work. .......................................... Good Evening Everyone, I am so sorry but I just can't let this one pass. The statement above is not acurate and perhaps there is confusion between two different companies. I too have my concerns with Ancestry.com but they don't claim your work as their property. Another company does but Ancestry.com doesn't. Look at these sites and you can see what I mean. First of all - go to the link below. User contributed data - Ancestry.com is a distributor only. And then you can read the rest of that paragraph. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm">Ancestry.com - Terms & Conditions</A> User provided content Portions of the Service will contain user provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content. For this content, Ancestry is a distributor only. By submitting content to Ancestry, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the content to use, host, distribute that Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Content. You should submit only content which belongs to you and will not violate the property or other rights of other people or organizations. MyFamily.com, Inc. is sensitive to the copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. For more concerning copyright issues, view our <A HREF="http://www.myfamilyinc.com/about_us/copyright.htm">corporate policy</A>. We will not edit or monitor user provided content, with the exception that, to promote privacy, an automated filtering tool will be used to suppress and omit from display information submitted to the Ancestry World Tree which appears in our best judgment to pertain to a living person. MyFamily.com, Inc also reserves the right to remove any user provided content that comes to its attention and that it believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, obscene, indecent, defamatory, incites racial or ethnic hatred or violates the rights of others. And then at this link you will read an explanation of what happens when you submit your family tree to Ancestry. Note the statement: You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/trees/benefits.htm">Tree Benefits</A> Why should I start my tree at Ancestry? We hope you enjoy using all of the features available at Ancestry to create, grow, save, and share your family tree. The following is a list of several reasons to use Ancestry as the center for your family history research: Find more information on your ancestors fast - Ancestry combines family tree functionality with actual databases. You can find information on your ancestors by searching more than 1.2 billion names directly from the Online Family Tree. Sharing - You can share your tree with others privately or publicly. Submitting your tree to the Ancestry World Tree allows you to share your tree to genealogists all over the world. The Ancestry World Tree, which contains over 200 million names (including 25 million UK & Ireland names), is the largest database of its kind on the Internet. Collaboration - Ancestry has a large community of dedicated researchers who help each other in their attempts to grow their family trees. The Online Family Tree also lets you invite others to participate in updating your family tree in a private, secure environment. Ownership - You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. Helping others- When you share and collaborate with others on your tree, you will also be helping others with their research. You may have a specific date or event in your tree that someone else has been trying to find for years. Now.... here is the information from Genealogy.com. Look at this site: When you submit your family information to Genealogy.com you do give them lots of rights as you can tell by reading their terms of service. But that is genealogy.com - not ancestry.com. <A HREF="http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html">Genealogy.com: Terms of Service</A> 8. Genealogy.com's Proprietary Rights A. Subject to the Genealogy.com Privacy Policy, by inputting, uploading or posting any family tree information, data, family stories, ideas, drawings, opinions, messages, eyewitness accounts, or any other information or materials, or engaging in any other form of communication (each, a "Submission") through the Sites, you grant Genealogy.com and its Affiliated Companies a royalty free, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, transferable, worldwide license to (i) use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, archive, and display any such Submission in any medium now known or hereafter developed; (ii) exploit any proprietary rights in such Submission, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws in any relevant jurisdiction; and (iii) sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights. ............................................ As I said, I too have some issues with Ancestry.com but.... thought this should be clarified. Again, my apologies for extending this topic any longer. Thanks for listening. Emma ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== NC Military Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmil/

In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:10:31 PM Central Standard Time, JColetx@aol.com writes: . Ancestry.com is a money grubbing, slippery company. If you read their fine print in the Terms of Reference, you will they claim that any data you send to them becomes their propert. I know other researchers who have been taken in by this scam. Ancestry stole their intellectual property of years of hard work. .......................................... Good Evening Everyone, I am so sorry but I just can't let this one pass. The statement above is not acurate and perhaps there is confusion between two different companies. I too have my concerns with Ancestry.com but they don't claim your work as their property. Another company does but Ancestry.com doesn't. Look at these sites and you can see what I mean. First of all - go to the link below. User contributed data - Ancestry.com is a distributor only. And then you can read the rest of that paragraph. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm">Ancestry.com - Terms & Conditions</A> User provided content Portions of the Service will contain user provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content. For this content, Ancestry is a distributor only. By submitting content to Ancestry, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the content to use, host, distribute that Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Content. You should submit only content which belongs to you and will not violate the property or other rights of other people or organizations. MyFamily.com, Inc. is sensitive to the copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. For more concerning copyright issues, view our <A HREF="http://www.myfamilyinc.com/about_us/copyright.htm">corporate policy</A>. We will not edit or monitor user provided content, with the exception that, to promote privacy, an automated filtering tool will be used to suppress and omit from display information submitted to the Ancestry World Tree which appears in our best judgment to pertain to a living person. MyFamily.com, Inc also reserves the right to remove any user provided content that comes to its attention and that it believes, in its sole discretion, is illegal, obscene, indecent, defamatory, incites racial or ethnic hatred or violates the rights of others. And then at this link you will read an explanation of what happens when you submit your family tree to Ancestry. Note the statement: You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/trees/benefits.htm">Tree Benefits</A> Why should I start my tree at Ancestry? We hope you enjoy using all of the features available at Ancestry to create, grow, save, and share your family tree. The following is a list of several reasons to use Ancestry as the center for your family history research: Find more information on your ancestors fast - Ancestry combines family tree functionality with actual databases. You can find information on your ancestors by searching more than 1.2 billion names directly from the Online Family Tree. Sharing - You can share your tree with others privately or publicly. Submitting your tree to the Ancestry World Tree allows you to share your tree to genealogists all over the world. The Ancestry World Tree, which contains over 200 million names (including 25 million UK & Ireland names), is the largest database of its kind on the Internet. Collaboration - Ancestry has a large community of dedicated researchers who help each other in their attempts to grow their family trees. The Online Family Tree also lets you invite others to participate in updating your family tree in a private, secure environment. Ownership - You always own your data on Ancestry. Ancestry allows you to update or delete your family tree at any time. You will never find your data included on CD-ROMs or sold on Ancestry. Helping others- When you share and collaborate with others on your tree, you will also be helping others with their research. You may have a specific date or event in your tree that someone else has been trying to find for years. Now.... here is the information from Genealogy.com. Look at this site: When you submit your family information to Genealogy.com you do give them lots of rights as you can tell by reading their terms of service. But that is genealogy.com - not ancestry.com. <A HREF="http://www.genealogy.com/agreement.html">Genealogy.com: Terms of Service</A> 8. Genealogy.com's Proprietary Rights A. Subject to the Genealogy.com Privacy Policy, by inputting, uploading or posting any family tree information, data, family stories, ideas, drawings, opinions, messages, eyewitness accounts, or any other information or materials, or engaging in any other form of communication (each, a "Submission") through the Sites, you grant Genealogy.com and its Affiliated Companies a royalty free, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, transferable, worldwide license to (i) use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, archive, and display any such Submission in any medium now known or hereafter developed; (ii) exploit any proprietary rights in such Submission, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, or patent laws in any relevant jurisdiction; and (iii) sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights. ............................................ As I said, I too have some issues with Ancestry.com but.... thought this should be clarified. Again, my apologies for extending this topic any longer. Thanks for listening. Emma

I think we need to stay away from sites like this. There is so much info out there that is free. With so many more people out there putting their families together. So many free web sites that people share, pictures and everything. More than what you will ever find on ancestry and some of those sites. The more people like us that share our family info with each other, the less people would depend or get taken in by some of these so called family history sites. Save your money and put it towards dependable research. You have to work hard to put these histories together, it isn't easy, but so worth it. Beulah

List, The messages below are well founded. It appears that the subject website is nothing more than one more in a string of website URLs posing as another activity when it is actually Ancestry.com. Ancestry.com is a money grubbing, slippery company. If you read their fine print in the Terms of Reference, you will they claim that any data you send to them becomes their propert. I know other researchers who have been taken in by this scam. Ancestry stole their intellectual property of years of hard work. Jerry In a message dated 3/19/03 16:07:15, jym@comcast.net writes: >I agree with the cautious among you -- I recently installed Alarm Pro to >stop pop-up ads and block other intrusions. Well, when I "unsubscribed" >to an Ancestry.com Newsletter, Alarm Pro alerted me to the fact that my >bank account number was being lifted by Ancestry's software program!! > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: theshadow > >To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases > > > > > >Hi List and Robert, > > I agree whole-heartedly with what Robert says below. I am very interested >in who the submitters were on the Slocum(b) information listed on the site >but I am very reluctant to give this site my credit card number. My grandmother >used to tell me that if you get a feeling "in the pit of your stomach" >and you aren't throwing up chances are something else is wrong!<LOL> Well, >my stomach tells me not to trust this site----no matter how much I want >to know who submitted my family's info! I don't like the fact that I have >to sign up with money before I am allowed a "7-day free trial"---and that >free trial is very limited as it does not allow you to delve into any of >the submitter's info. > > Just wanted to add my "Beware". > > Jean Hancock > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robert G. Lewis" <rlew6897@earthlink.net> > >To: <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:53 AM > >Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases > > > > > > > >Hi, Listers: > ><snip> > >. Much of this information is very difficult to get to on > >the site. In fact, you cannot even 'Copy and Paste' the use > >policy. Before you sign-up, you need to know what you are getting > >into. I think that I will stay away and not give them my credit > >card numbers. > ><snip>

I agree with the cautious among you -- I recently installed Alarm Pro to stop pop-up ads and block other intrusions. Well, when I "unsubscribed" to an Ancestry.com Newsletter, Alarm Pro alerted me to the fact that my bank account number was being lifted by Ancestry's software program!! ----- Original Message ----- From: theshadow To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases Hi List and Robert, I agree whole-heartedly with what Robert says below. I am very interested in who the submitters were on the Slocum(b) information listed on the site but I am very reluctant to give this site my credit card number. My grandmother used to tell me that if you get a feeling "in the pit of your stomach" and you aren't throwing up chances are something else is wrong!<LOL> Well, my stomach tells me not to trust this site----no matter how much I want to know who submitted my family's info! I don't like the fact that I have to sign up with money before I am allowed a "7-day free trial"---and that free trial is very limited as it does not allow you to delve into any of the submitter's info. Just wanted to add my "Beware". Jean Hancock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert G. Lewis" <rlew6897@earthlink.net> To: <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases Hi, Listers: <snip> . Much of this information is very difficult to get to on the site. In fact, you cannot even 'Copy and Paste' the use policy. Before you sign-up, you need to know what you are getting into. I think that I will stay away and not give them my credit card numbers. <snip> ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== Map set, formation of NC Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm

Hi List and Robert, I agree whole-heartedly with what Robert says below. I am very interested in who the submitters were on the Slocum(b) information listed on the site but I am very reluctant to give this site my credit card number. My grandmother used to tell me that if you get a feeling "in the pit of your stomach" and you aren't throwing up chances are something else is wrong!<LOL> Well, my stomach tells me not to trust this site----no matter how much I want to know who submitted my family's info! I don't like the fact that I have to sign up with money before I am allowed a "7-day free trial"---and that free trial is very limited as it does not allow you to delve into any of the submitter's info. Just wanted to add my "Beware". Jean Hancock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert G. Lewis" <rlew6897@earthlink.net> To: <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] Re: 8 New Databases Hi, Listers: <snip> . Much of this information is very difficult to get to on the site. In fact, you cannot even 'Copy and Paste' the use policy. Before you sign-up, you need to know what you are getting into. I think that I will stay away and not give them my credit card numbers. <snip>