North Carolina did not start keeping birth records until 1913 Cindy in NC Joyce Reece wrote: > Also need a source for NC birth records circa 1870's > Joyce jreece@icx.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Reece" <jreece@icx.net> > To: <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 1:33 PM > Subject: [NCROOTS] census > > > Looking for a NC online census for 1860 & 1870... > > > > Joyce jreece@icx.net > > > > > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Discussion on this list is restricted to NORTH CAROLINA GENEALOGY only. > > Please keep this list on topic. Forwarded net-humor is not acceptable, no > matter how funny it seems to you. > > For comments or list administration questions, contact the list manager at > <ncgen@mindspring.com> > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > 9.9 million individuals and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to > NCROOTS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > with the one word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Use a blank subject line, or the word UNSUBSCRIBE; don't use "re:" in the subject line. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Joyce, I have rockingham 1850,1860,1870;Sotkes 1860 and 1870;Surry 1850 and 1860 census. If you are looking in either of these counties I will do a look up for you. Cindy > Looking for a NC online census for 1860 & 1870... > > Joyce jreece@icx.net > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > Discussion on this list is restricted to NORTH CAROLINA GENEALOGY only. > Please keep this list on topic. Forwarded net-humor is not acceptable, no matter how funny it seems to you. > For comments or list administration questions, contact the list manager at <ncgen@mindspring.com> > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 9.9 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

In the NC Marriage Acts of 1715 and 1741 it states..any white person who married an Indian, Negro, mustee or Mulatto or any Person of mixed blood to the third generation was is subjected to a fine...as well as the justices of the peace or ministers who performed the ceremonies. While it was illegal, i have seen bonds of mixed marriages. As to whether the people where fined or not I have no idea. Cindy Marsha McWilliams wrote: > Good Morning Patty, Cindy and Everyone, > > I have a quick question here (am really confused now), and maybe someone > will be able to answer my question. I thought it was illegal (especially in > NC during that time) for a white person to marry an Indian. I have read > this several times. According to this, such was not the case ?? > > Any insight greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Marsha McWilliams > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cindy [mailto:jimgoad@hpe.infi.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 10:56 AM > To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] RE: Help with 1806 Wilkes co. marriage > > Patty, > I have a copy of Wilkes County marriages 1778-1868 by Holcomb. There is > only one marriage listed for Absalom it reads: Strutton,Absalom and Dorcas > Shearman, 25 Oct 1806; John Kerbo bondsman. > > Marriages to Native Americans were considered intermarriages and sometimes > this appears on the bonds. > Cindy in NC > > Patty Brock wrote: > > > I need someone's expertise with a marriage bond. The year is 1806 in > > Wilkes co. NC. The marriage bond says it is an intermarriage. What would

I thought I would re-post this query in the event there are any new subscribers: I remain trying to identify the parents of the John Woods who married Margaret Mebane in Orange County NC probably 1760-1770. Their children appear to break out as follows, although any corrections or comments are solicited: Matthew-m-Margaret Peggy Faucett 12 November 1795 (moved to Chester County SC in early 1800s) Richard-m-Elizabeth Mebane 19 Oct 1805 John-m-Polly Hunt 1811 Hannah-m-Samuel Kirkpatrick 1789 Margaret-m-UNK Nancy-m-UNK Sarah-m-UNK Also, if anyone has any reliable dates of birth and/or death of any of these individuals I would appreciate the information. Thanks, as always, for any assistance. Brett F. Woods Santa Fe, New Mexico

Hi Patty, Other researchers have written and told me the reason why it's so hard to find any records on Indians/part-Indians is because there just weren't many at all kept ... Indians were very much frowned upon (2nd class citizens), and the whites didn't think they were worth the trouble. Have you ever read the "Invisible Indians of Delaware?" Very interesting (it can be found on the 'net.') I believe I have the address if anyone would care to have it. My PAVEYs were in both NC (Pasquotank and Guilford Counties, at least), Delaware (Sussex Co) and Maryland. There was a Joseph PAVEY (aka PEVEY) who was an Indian Trader in GA (hired by James Oglethorpe, ca. 1736.) Also, a man by that same name (probably the same person) who was a Ranger and guarded Ft. Argyle (Charleston, SC area.) Yesterday, I found an Oconee Indian trail map in NC (believe the year was 1779) that went thru (at least) Hillsborough (Orange Co), NC on to Guilford Co (nr. Greensborough), then on to Rowan Co. Time ran out on me and I didn't have a chance to find out where this trail originated ... possibly at the Occonee River (sp?) in GA? Joseph Pavey/Pevey did take out land there ca. 1736. I, for one, would like very much to hear of other researchers' experiences and findings on this subject. I'm open to new ways and paths to search ... especially need anything on any listings of Indian scouts. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: Patty Brock [mailto:rocky2@fuse.net] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 1:02 PM To: rmmcw@effingham.net Cc: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] RE: Help with 1806 Wilkes co. marriage Cindy, Marsha and others, If this bond does mean that the marriage was between a Native American and a white which one was the Native American? Absolum or Darcus? According to family tradition someone in the family lines was Native American. To this date I can't find it but it could be that it was hidden so well?? Patty

In a message dated 01/02/2000 7:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimgoad@hpe.infi.net writes: << There was a Abner Rosson in Caswell county in the 1790s MomNat@aol.com wrote: > Dear List Friends, > My ggg-grandparents were John M. WILLIAMS and Mirah (also called Marie) > ROSSON. They were both born in NC. I don't know where. Marie was born in > 1808. > ooPS, Thanks, I'll start there. Kathryne

In a message dated 01/02/2000 7:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimgoad@hpe.infi.net writes: << There was a Abner Rosson in Caswell county in the 1790s MomNat@aol.com wrote: > Dear List Friends, > My ggg-grandparents were John M. WILLIAMS and Mirah (also called Marie) > ROSSON. They were both born in NC. I don't know where. Marie was born in > 1808. >>

Dear List Friends, My ggg-grandparents were John M. WILLIAMS and Mirah (also called Marie) ROSSON. They were both born in NC. I don't know where. Marie was born in 1808. John died in The War Between the States and is buried in Dover, TN. John M. WILLIAMS, b. NC, d. bet.1861-1865, TN +Mirah ROSSON, b. NC April 1808 Jemima WILLIAMS, b. abt 1844 in NC Maragret WILLIAMS, b. abt. 1847 in TN Catherine Elizabeth WILLIAMS, b. Sept. 1848 in TN Andrew G. WILLIAMS, b. abt 1852 in TN So, I am thinking that they were probably in NC until 1847, and then in TN until 1852. But, the only census where I have found them is the Gallatin Co., IL 1870 census, and John wasn't there, of course. Catherine WILLIAMS married Ira H. HUTCHINSON there in December of that year. Sound familiar to anyone? Any thoughts? Thanks for reading this. Kathryne

I would also like to know this answer so when someone answers please let us all know. I am glad that you asked that Linda. I have always wondered. Patty Brock Sina28@aol.com wrote: > I'm hoping there are some experts out there who know what parts of NC. would > be included in the Cherokee Res. in the 1818 time period? > > Thanks, > Linda > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > NCROOTS is an active list. If your e-mail address bounces more than > a few times, you will be automatically dropped as a subscriber. If > this happens, just resubscribe once your server is back in operation. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 9.9 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Patty, In SOME PIONEERS FROM WILKES COUNTY NC, I found the following Wilkes marriages John Sisk and Oney Strutton, 14 Apr 1798, Hezekiah Strutton, bondsman. Wilkes county Marriages by Holcomb Strutton, Richard and Lyda Taylor 7 jul 1830, John Setsor, bondsman Nancy and Reuben Gittins, 4 Nov 1797, George Hayes, bondsman Sucky and Britton Sims, 1 june 1801, Wm. Sims, bondsman Salley Strutton and William Mills, 30 jun 1802, hezekiah Strutton, bm Cindy in NC Patty Brock wrote: > I need someone's expertise with a marriage bond. The year is 1806 in > Wilkes co. NC. The marriage bond says it is an intermarriage. What would > that mean for that time period? Also if anyone has any marriage books > for Wilkes co. could you please see if there is one for Absolum > Strutton/Stratton. > Supposedly Absolum had an intermarriage in 1806 but this doesn't explain > his first son's birth being in 1799 unless they had children out of > wedlock. Can anyone help me? I am hoping that Absolum had an earlier > marriage. > Thanks, > Patty Brock > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to > NCROOTS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > with the one word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Use a blank subject line, or the word UNSUBSCRIBE; don't use "re:" in the subject line. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Cindy, Marsha and others, If this bond does mean that the marriage was between a Native American and a white which one was the Native American? Absolum or Darcus? According to family tradition someone in the family lines was Native American. To this date I can't find it but it could be that it was hidden so well?? I have also heard it was illegal for Indians and whites to marry in that time frame. Patty Marsha McWilliams wrote: > Good Morning Patty, Cindy and Everyone, > > I have a quick question here (am really confused now), and maybe someone > will be able to answer my question. I thought it was illegal (especially in > NC during that time) for a white person to marry an Indian. I have read > this several times. According to this, such was not the case ?? > > Any insight greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Marsha McWilliams > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cindy [mailto:jimgoad@hpe.infi.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 10:56 AM > To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] RE: Help with 1806 Wilkes co. marriage > > Patty, > I have a copy of Wilkes County marriages 1778-1868 by Holcomb. There is > only one marriage listed for Absalom it reads: Strutton,Absalom and Dorcas > Shearman, 25 Oct 1806; John Kerbo bondsman. > > Marriages to Native Americans were considered intermarriages and sometimes > this appears on the bonds. > Cindy in NC > > Patty Brock wrote: > > > I need someone's expertise with a marriage bond. The year is 1806 in > > Wilkes co. NC. The marriage bond says it is an intermarriage. What would > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to > NCROOTS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > with the one word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Use a blank subject line, or the word UNSUBSCRIBE; don't use "re:" in the subject line. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Patty, I checked EARLY NC MARRIAGES TO 1800 by Liahona Research but did not find a marriage Absalom Strutton Cindy in NC Patty Brock wrote: > I need someone's expertise with a marriage bond. The year is 1806 in > Wilkes co. NC. The marriage bond says it is an intermarriage. What would > that mean for that time period? Also if anyone has any marriage books > for Wilkes co. could you please see if there is one for Absolum > Strutton/Stratton. > Supposedly Absolum had an intermarriage in 1806 but this doesn't explain > his first son's birth being in 1799 unless they had children out of > wedlock. Can anyone help me? I am hoping that Absolum had an earlier > marriage. > Thanks, > Patty Brock > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to > NCROOTS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > with the one word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Use a blank subject line, or the word UNSUBSCRIBE; don't use "re:" in the subject line. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Also need a source for NC birth records circa 1870's Joyce jreece@icx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Reece" <jreece@icx.net> To: <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: [NCROOTS] census > Looking for a NC online census for 1860 & 1870... > > Joyce jreece@icx.net > > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > Discussion on this list is restricted to NORTH CAROLINA GENEALOGY only. > Please keep this list on topic. Forwarded net-humor is not acceptable, no matter how funny it seems to you. > For comments or list administration questions, contact the list manager at <ncgen@mindspring.com> > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 9.9 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Cindy, Thanks so much for the clarification and information. Several PAVEY/PEAVY researchers have always suspecioned that there may have been some Indian blood that entered into the family in the mid-1700's in either NC or GA. My own ancestor, John PAVEY (1754, NC?-1814, IN) was an Indian scout. The Washington Co, IN history books named him as "Pavey" ... one name (I believe) was quite common in Indians/part-Indians. His father, Samuel PAVEY, is who we believe may have been married to (at least) a part Indian. We have never been able to find any marriage records for Samuel, John, or even John's son, Anderson PAVEY (my ancestor.) Thanks, again. Marsha McWilliams -----Original Message----- From: Cindy [mailto:jimgoad@hpe.infi.net] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 3:23 PM To: rmmcw@effingham.net Cc: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCROOTS] RE: Help with 1806 Wilkes co. marriage In the NC Marriage Acts of 1715 and 1741 it states..any white person who married an Indian, Negro, mustee or Mulatto or any Person of mixed blood to Cindy Marsha McWilliams wrote: illegal (especially in > NC during that time) for a white person to marry an Indian. >> Marsha McWilliams

Looking for a NC online census for 1860 & 1870... Joyce jreece@icx.net

Linda, I'm sure there's probably a lot more knowledgeable people out there than I am. However, it sounds to me as if you may be referring to the northwest area of NC, the Swain County area (Smokey Mtns, just right outside of s.e. TN.) I know there was a BECK family who lived there even earlier than 1818. There is a reservation there to this day. Marsha McWilliams Researching: PAVEY/PEAVEY/PEAVY and all its' spellings/mis-spellings -----Original Message----- From: Sina28@aol.com [mailto:Sina28@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 8:30 AM To: NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCROOTS] Area of NC. included in Cherokee Res. 1817 I'm hoping there are some experts out there who know what parts of NC. would be included in the Cherokee Res. in the 1818 time period? Thanks, Linda

>I'm hoping there are some experts out there who know what parts of NC. would >be included in the Cherokee Res. in the 1818 time period? > >Thanks, >Linda The Cherokee Reservation (QUalla) wasn't formed until 1838. It spans parts of Swain, Jackson, and Haywood counties, in the extreme western portion of the state. Rhonda Tomlinson maintains an excellent page on the reservation for NCGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncqualla/ Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Someone wrote: Looking for a NC online census for 1800 What surnames and counties are you researching in the 1800 census? Ruth in NC e-mail: RLugowski@aol.com

Patty, I have a copy of Wilkes County marriages 1778-1868 by Holcomb. There is only one marriage listed for Absalom it reads: Strutton,Absalom and Dorcas Shearman, 25 Oct 1806; John Kerbo bondsman. Marriages to Native Americans were considered intermarriages and sometimes this appears on the bonds. Cindy in NC Patty Brock wrote: > I need someone's expertise with a marriage bond. The year is 1806 in > Wilkes co. NC. The marriage bond says it is an intermarriage. What would > that mean for that time period? Also if anyone has any marriage books > for Wilkes co. could you please see if there is one for Absolum > Strutton/Stratton. > Supposedly Absolum had an intermarriage in 1806 but this doesn't explain > his first son's birth being in 1799 unless they had children out of > wedlock. Can anyone help me? I am hoping that Absolum had an earlier > marriage. > Thanks, > Patty Brock > > ==== NCROOTS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a message to > NCROOTS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > with the one word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Use a blank subject line, or the word UNSUBSCRIBE; don't use "re:" in the subject line. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi Linda and all; While reading 'The NC Gazetteer' (Has very short stories!), on page 101: Cherokee Indian Reservation. See Qualla Reservation. page 399: Qualla Reservation, home of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians in the Great Smoky Mountains, Swain, Jackson, and Hayword counties. Est by the United States after the Cherokee removal of 1838. Covers 63,00 acres and is the largest Indian reservation e of the Mississippi. The reservation is devided into Big Cove Town, Wolf Town, Yellow Hill Town, Paint Town, and Bird Town townships. In addition, approx 256 Cherokee living in Cheoah Township, Graham County, off the reservation are under tribal jurisdiction. Land is held in common and assigned on a tenant system. Hope this answers your question. Will in Phoenix On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 09:29:34 EST, you wrote: >I'm hoping there are some experts out there who know what parts of NC. would >be included in the Cherokee Res. in the 1818 time period? > >Thanks, >Linda >