Thanks for all the info. It is the same as I verified with you but really appreciate your continued work. If I find anything else, I'll keep in touch. Lois

Thank you so very much for the history and names of members of Raft Swamp Church. It was a lead to several of my family. I am hoping that someone out there can help me with other churches in the county. My great grandfather was Reverend Robert Melvin Sessoms. I have a typed copy of "Sketch of the Life of Reverend R. M. Sessoms done by order of Cedar Grove Baptist Church, D. C. Britt, Pastor, W O. Blake, Committee". This is a typed copy made by a cousin of my mother and given to her many years ago. I do not know where the original is. Can any one help. This article list "He organized the following churches: (first one he could'nt read), Shady Grove, Sandy Grove, Brown's Creek and Galeed in Bladen County and Zion's Tabernacle and Cedar Grove in Robeson County, without any aid from the Board." Can you give me any information on these churches and their members. Rev. Robert Sessoms was raised by his grandmother Davis. Please help me with her name. Lois Moore

At this point, I am just going to continue the lists as they appear. Some women's names may still be on the very first list, before 1886, but I'm not going to refer back to them now. It will be too confusing. 1886 Female Members List (continued) Mary ODUM Olive ODUM PREVATT Callie TOWNSEND (dismissed by letter) Ellen TOWNSEND (dismissed by letter) Dovie J PREVATT DAVIS Swannie PREVATT (dismissed by letter 1890) Winnie PREVATT (dismissed by letter) Ellen BIGGS (dismissed by letter) Marnie ODUM Ellen TOWNSEND Orra PURNELL (excluded in 1891) Penelope PREVATT Emma PREVATT McMILLAN Elizabeth DAVIS (received by letter) Mary Ann PHILLIPS (received by letter) Esther Elizabeth DAVIS ( received by letter viz BULLOCK) Martha C TYNER (received by letter) Alice M SMITH Delaria SMITH (1885) Elon SMITH (1885) Shelley JOINER (?) (1885) Annie b BRITT (received letter 1886, died 1888) Mary M PREVATT (rec'd letter 1886, excluded March 1887, received Oct '90, dismissed Oct 1890) Eliza BULLOCK Lucy Lycissid [sic] DAVIS ( dismissed by letter 1886) Lottie TYNER ( received by letter) M. A. McDANIELS Clarisa SMITH (received by letter) Eugenia TOWNSEND (rec'd letter died 1889) Elizabeth BIGGS (baptized 86, TAYLOR dismissed 1891) S.M. HERRING (bap 86, now PITMAN) Caroline TYNER ( bap 86) Clarisa PREVATT (bap 86 & dismissed 1890) Susan BARKER (bap 86 & dismissed 1887) Flora Mc DUFFIE (bap 85) Martha BRUCE (received by letter 1887) Mary PURNELL (restored 1886) M. C. BIGGS (baptized August 1888) Julia TOWNSEND (baptized 1887 DAVIS) Millie TOWNSEND (ditto 1887) Flora A PRIDGEN (ditto 1887, died 1891) Sarah HODGE (baptised Aug 1889 viz BRIGMAN) Ora HODGE (ditto Aug 1887) Mima SMITH (ditto Aug 1887) F. W. HILLIARD (rec'd by letter Jan 1890) Victoria WOODLE (bapt Aug 1890) Caroline BAXLEY (bapt Aug 1890) Hattie HILLIARD (ditto) Martha DAVIS (ditto) Lucy DAVIS (ditto) Francis [sic] BRIGMAN (ditto) Celia PREVATT (ditto) Lillia SMITH (ditto) Sallie BULLOCK (ditto) Eliza Belle TYNER ( 1890) Helen DAVIS (1891) Belle PARHAM (1891) Susan McLOTHLIN (1891) Cattie DAVIS (1891) Sarah C ODUM (by letter from Ashpole) Callie J BAXLEY (rec'd by letter 1892) (?) TYNER (baptised 1892) [sorry, I couldn't even begin to guess this name] That's all for tonight, cousins. I'll work on the men's names tomorrow. Lynn

As I promised, here are names which I copied from the LDS film # 0986268, item 6. I wrote them exactly as they appeared and changed no spelling. The writing was not always easy to read. To save space, if the same name is on the 1886 list, I have indicated that along with any new notes which were written later beside the name. New names are listed after this first list. There are some first names for which I cannot get a feel as the spelling makes no sense. Raft Swamp Baptist Church Record Book 1868 - 1891 Robeson Assoc, near Lumberton, N C Names of Females Orra PREVATT (dead) Martha TOWNSEND (dead)[also on 1886 list] Elizabeth DAVIS (Dismiss by letter) Levina MOORE (dead) Dicy WILKINS (dead) Mary C MOORE (dead) Mary PURNELL (dead) [also on 1886 list] Clary C BAXLEY (dead) Loudy Jane MOORE (Dismiss by letter) Milly BAXLEY (dead) Sarah BESCLY [sic] (Dismissed by letter) Martha Ann MOORE (excluded 1895) America LOCKLAYER [sic] (on 1886 list as dead) Jonah [sic] CARTER Rhachel [sic] JACOBS (dead) Lucy Ann TOWNSEND (died 1887) Nancy PREVATT (listed as dead on 1886 list) Mary J LOW Sarah PERNELL Mary Jane MOORE nee RATLY (dismissed in 1887) Elizabeth J BRIGMAN (excluded) (still excluded in 1886) Lucy Ann DAVIS (died) Amanda POWERS[x'd out] CHILDRESS Cenny [sic] PERNELL (on 1886 list as excluded, restored 1889) Martha J BAGGETT Orra Jane BAXLEY (dead) Mary SEALY (dismissed by letter, excluded, restored 1875) Nancy ODOM Sarah WEILKNUT [sic] Agatha BRIGMAN Mary Ann TOWNSEND (dead) Martha E TOWNSEND (listed as dead on 1886 list) Elizabeth BAXLEY Amanda SMITH (dismissed by letter) (reappears 1886) Sarah PREVATT Susan MOORE (dismissed by letter) Mary MERCER (dismissed by letter) Mary E MERCER (dismissed by letter) Mary TYNER (restored, excluded) Elizabeth LAMBERT (dismissed by letter on 1886 list) Winny M DANIEL viz TYNER Margaret Joan TOWNSEND Minerva LOCKLEAR Marcella Jane PREVATT Sophia Ann BAXLEY (dismissed by letter)(received by letter 1886) Amantha BAXLEY PURNELL Eliza PURNELL (restored) Margaret SERONCH [sic] BAXLEY (dismiss by letter 1875) Martha Jane (PURNELL) viz BAXLEY (dismiss by letter) Mary Ann DAVIS (dismissed by letter 1875) Elizabeth DAVIS (dismissed by letter 1875) Meisannia [sic] ODUM (received by letter 1875) [spelled Missuria in 1886] Margaret ODUM (received by letter) Etta TYNER (excluded in 1875)(restored 1886) Rose Ann BIGGS (received by letter 1875) (dead) [also still on 1886 list] Harriett FIELDS (received by letter) Helen PREVATT Susan Amandy TOWNSEND (dead in 1886) Maggy ODUM viz Baxley Olive LOW viz ODUM Molly PURNELL Piney ODUM viz BUTLER (dismissed May 1883) Frances BAXLEY (in 1886 TOWNSEND) Susan BAXLEY (excluded in 1886) Hellon [sic] F PREVATT (in 1886 list, viz BAXLEY is added along with dismissed) It was not specified what years applied to these women other than the generality of 1868-1891. There is a second list which is dated 1886 on which some of these same names appear, but again, "dead" is the only notation on many of them. 1886 [new names not on previous list] Amandia CHAVIS (dismiss by letter 1881) Sarah HILLIARD Bethia BRIGMAN ?Minny M TYNER Margaret McDONALD viz PURNELL Margaret J BROWN (dead) Mxxxxxxxx LOCKLEAR [first name made no sense at all,I swear it says Mapreverann! Whoever she was, she was dismissed] Martha Jane PREVATT Sarah M TYNER POWELL Anna TOWNSEND (dismissed by letter) Harriet BULLOCK Mary Delight PURNELL viz DAVIS Olive ODUM viz POWELL Amelia Ann PURNELL Orpha E LOWE Emaline TOWNSEND viz JOHNSON Mary SMITH TOWNSEND Eliza BRIGMAN viz BAXTER Birtha LAMBERT (excluded) Elizabeth LOCKLEAR (dismissed by letter 1881) Sarah Eliza BAXLEY (dismissed by letter) Eliza PREVATT (dismissed 1887) Elizabeth DIAL (excluded) Bethia BRIGMAN Edia PURNELL viz PREVATT Nancy ODUM (received by letter) Frances BAXTER (received by letter) Nancy BAXTER (received and dismissed by letter) Sarah Jane [totally illegible last name. A name was written down and then written over, could be DAVIS] (received by letter) Flora SMITH Margaret An TOWNSEND (dismissed by letter) Helen (?) TOWNSEND (dismissed by letter) S C CARLILE viz TOWNSEND Frances OXENDINE KELLARD (?) (dismissed by letter) Marina LAMBERT (dismissed by letter) R E BIGGS (dismissed by letter) N (?) BULLOCK (died 1890) Mary TYNER (excluded 1887, received 1889, viz LEWIS [?]) Elizabeth J SMITH (received by letter) I am going to break this off and send another posting. There are still two more pages of woman's names, not to mention the men's names, and this is getting too long. Lynn [email protected]

I greatly appreciate the following information that was posted to this board. I've been told that my people (McKay and Galbreath ancestors) were members of the old Raft Swamp Presbyterian Church before it burned. For that reason, I am very grateful for this history. Incidentally, I plan to print it and share it with others in my present-day Presbyterian community. Thanks again. Betty McKay Vann In a message dated 00-06-03 23:46:36 EDT, you write: << [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] The following is an article from Argyll Colony Plus Vol.5 No.2 Spring 1990:(This History was written by Henry Hodgen, now deceased, of Red Springs, North Carolina) "In Hoke County, a short distance east of the Allendale Community Building, and just north of the intersection of county roads #1314 and #1318 is the site of Old Raft Swamp Presbyterian Church. A few yards south of it is the cemetery of John McMillan who gave land for the church. The first recorded reference to Raft Swamp is in the journal of Rev. Hugh McAden, who was sent by the Synod of Philadelphia as a missionary to preach to the Scots of the Cape Fear Valley. He records that he preached at the home of John McMillan to a group known as the Raft Swamp Meeting. He also tells of preaching at the home of Roger McNeill on the Cape Fear (now Old Bluff Church), at Alexander McKay's (now Longstreet Church) and at the Home of Mr. Cameron (now Barbecue Church). This was in the year 1755 so there were Presbyterians in the area before that time. These Scots had repeatedly applied to the Church of Scotland for a minister to be sent but the mother church never acted on their requests. For the next years there was no regular minister at Raft Swamp but it was supplied by itinerant preachers and whatever preacher happened to pass through. Then came the Revolutionary War and the religious life as well as other enterprises suffered. After the close of the Revolution, it was learned that a Highland preacher was in Charleston, SC seeking a location. John McCormick, Duncan McMillan and a Mr. Currie, members of the Raft Swamp, consulted and determined to visit him. They constructed a boat in the swamp of Lumber River and set off down the Lumber River and The Little PeeDee into Winyah Bay at Georgetown. There they left the boat and set off by foot to Charleston. They located the Rev. Duncan Crawford, a Highland Preacher who had served in the British service as a chaplain and remained in NC after the Revolution. After explaining their situation the Rev. Crawford agreed to accept their offer and the four set off on foot to Georgetown carrying the preacher's effects on their backs. ........After landing at Campbells Bridge near Floral College the preachers effects were loaded on a drag and carried to Raft Swamp where he immediately set about his labors........................................................................ In 1789 Rev Crawford organized Raft Swamp Church, although services had been conducted on the site since 1750. Hugh McAden preached there in 1755, Rev. James Campbell made it one of his regular points from 1757 till the Revolution, Rev. John McLoud of Bluff Preached there frequently. After the church burned in 1825, Raft Swamp was not rebuilt. Unfortunately there was a great temperance revival about this time and a schism in the congregation resulted. As the old court records show, many of these old Scotsmen considered the family still property of considerable value, passing from father to son. So Raft Swamp congregation divided into factions of dry, wet, and apathetic. It is told the drys joined the Centre and the wets chose Bethel where the minister was far more tolerant of the situation. However a solid nucleus met at McPall's Mill where they usually had a passing preacher. In 1832 this group changed their location to what is now Antioch and in 1833 changed the name to Antioch. Therefore Antioch is the successor to Raft Swamp. By 1800 the members of Raft Swamp had formed churches more centrally located to their community and as a result Raft Swamp was the mother church of Antioch, Big Rockfish, Center, Laurel Hill, Philadelphus, Ashpole, and Saint Pauls. Besides exerting a great influence on religious life in the area, it contributed to the cause of Presbyterianism in the South. By 1800 5 of it's sons were studying for the ministry at Dr. Caldwell's school in Guilford County. They were Daniel Brown, Duncan Brown, Malcolm McNair, Murdock McMillan, and Murdock Murphy. Brown was licensed by Orange Presbytery at Barbecue Church in 1800 and the other four at the same place in 1801." >>

WHO'S THOMAS HARLEE? DOES ANYONE KNOW? C. Page, Descendant of Henry Pete Harlee of Hamer, SC Keefe Family Will James Kiff (Keeffe?) Will ------2nd May 1816 The Will of James Kiff It is my will that my wife Barbara Kiff may have all the things that she had before she married me and to keep all the household furniture she now has during her natural life until she should (die?) Then it is my wish that what come by me should go to William Kiff, my son his James Kiff mark Signed in the presense of us this 2nd of May 1816 Francis Hill John Power(s) Mr. James Holland this will is entrusted to your care by the request of Mrs. James Kiff in presense of us. -Francis Hill -John Powers South Carolina Received 15 Nov 1816 by Thomas Harlee, Ordy (Note: This document recorded in Marion Will book, vol 1, page 109)

Let's not confuse Raft Swamp Presby. with Raft Swamp Baptist which is still active .The Raft Sw. Baptist is the one founded by James Prevatte. [email protected] wrote: > The following is an article from Argyll Colony Plus Vol.5 No.2 Spring > 1990:(This History was written by Henry Hodgen, now deceased, of Red Springs, > North Carolina) > > "In Hoke County, a short distance east of the Allendale Community Building, > and just north of the intersection of county roads #1314 and #1318 is the > site of Old Raft Swamp Presbyterian Church. A few yards south of it is the > cemetery of John McMillan who gave land for the church. > The first recorded reference to Raft Swamp is in the journal of Rev. Hugh > McAden, who was sent by the Synod of Philadelphia as a missionary to preach > to the Scots of the Cape Fear Valley. He records that he preached at the home > of John McMillan to a group known as the Raft Swamp Meeting. He also tells of > preaching at the home of Roger McNeill on the Cape Fear (now Old Bluff > Church), at Alexander McKay's (now Longstreet Church) and at the Home of Mr. > Cameron (now Barbecue Church). This was in the year 1755 so there were > Presbyterians in the area before that time. These Scots had repeatedly > applied to the Church of Scotland for a minister to be sent but the mother > church never acted on their requests. > For the next years there was no regular minister at Raft Swamp but it was > supplied by itinerant preachers and whatever preacher happened to pass > through. Then came the Revolutionary War and the religious life as well as > other enterprises suffered. After the close of the Revolution, it was learned > that a Highland preacher was in Charleston, SC seeking a location. John > McCormick, Duncan McMillan and a Mr. Currie, members of the Raft Swamp, > consulted and determined to visit him. They constructed a boat in the swamp > of Lumber River and set off down the Lumber River and The Little PeeDee into > Winyah Bay at Georgetown. There they left the boat and set off by foot to > Charleston. They located the Rev. Duncan Crawford, a Highland Preacher who > had served in the British service as a chaplain and remained in NC after the > Revolution. After explaining their situation the Rev. Crawford agreed to > accept their offer and the four set off on foot to Georgetown carrying the > preacher's effects on their backs. ........After landing at Campbells Bridge > near Floral College the preachers effects were loaded on a drag and carried > to Raft Swamp where he immediately set about his > labors........................................................................ > In 1789 Rev Crawford organized Raft Swamp Church, although services had been > conducted on the site since 1750. Hugh McAden preached there in 1755, Rev. > James Campbell made it one of his regular points from 1757 till the > Revolution, Rev. John McLoud of Bluff Preached there frequently. > After the church burned in 1825, Raft Swamp was not rebuilt. Unfortunately > there was a great temperance revival about this time and a schism in the > congregation resulted. As the old court records show, many of these old > Scotsmen considered the family still property of considerable value, passing > from father to son. So Raft Swamp congregation divided into factions of dry, > wet, and apathetic. It is told the drys joined the Centre and the wets chose > Bethel where the minister was far more tolerant of the situation. However a > solid nucleus met at McPall's Mill where they usually had a passing preacher. > In 1832 this group changed their location to what is now Antioch and in 1833 > changed the name to Antioch. Therefore Antioch is the successor to Raft > Swamp. By 1800 the members of Raft Swamp had formed churches more centrally > located to their community and as a result Raft Swamp was the mother church > of Antioch, Big Rockfish, Center, Laurel Hill, Philadelphus, Ashpole, and > Saint Pauls. > Besides exerting a great influence on religious life in the area, it > contributed to the cause of Presbyterianism in the South. By 1800 5 of it's > sons were studying for the ministry at Dr. Caldwell's school in Guilford > County. They were Daniel Brown, Duncan Brown, Malcolm McNair, Murdock > McMillan, and Murdock Murphy. Brown was licensed by Orange Presbytery at > Barbecue Church in 1800 and the other four at the same place in 1801."

In a message dated 6/6/00 12:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << You will probably want to read an article called "6 Pre-Revolutionary War McKays Named Alexander - All From The Valley Of The Scots", which was published in the Dec. 1994 "Argyll Colony Plus". Even if none of them are your Alexander McKay, it will at least give you an idea of who the other Alexander McKays in the area were, and where they were located. >> Jeffrey, I live in South Florida, is there a place where I might write/or call to get a copy/or purchase the above mentioned article. Thanks so much for the information, Maggie

Thanks. I for one enjoyed and appreciated your explanation. mm

thanks Lynn i see a lot of my folks. Barbara Green Justice Jax.,Fl.

"The only roll in the first record book of the church covering the period 1854 - 1868 lists the following names:" Elder F. PREVATT, Jas. PREVATT, James P DAVIS, Abraham MOORE, Henry PREVATT, Benjamin TYNER, Alfred M PREVATT, Thos PREVATT, John PREVATT, Jas P PREVATT, Eli PREVATT, Joseph PREVATT, Furney PREVATT, Jas T PREVATT, Charles PREVATT, R.T. TOWNSEND, Charles F TOWNSEND, Wm TOWNSEND, Charles TOWNSEND, McQueen TOWNSEND, Alexr TOWNSEND, Elias BAXLEY, Jas M BAXLEY, Richard R BAXLEY, Thos PURNELL, FG ODUM, DC LOE, Malichi BRITT, AB MOORE, Sion WILKINS, Cary WILKINS, John BRIGMAN, Hugh BIGGS, John BIGGS, Henry BRIGMAN, Joseph LOCKLEAR, Elijah REVELS, Richard C LAMB, Moses JACOBS, Richard RATLEY, Alexr MOORE, Henry LOVET, Charles STATEN, Haynes L POWELL, Alfred BAXLEY, Danil BAXLEY, Furney PREVATT, Jr, James HUMPHREY, William ODUM, John PURNELL, Benjamin CULVEL, Furney DAVIS, John HUMPHREY, William HUMPHREY, Mathew BAGET, John PREVATT, Alfred MOORE, Alvin TYNER, Charles PURNELL, Henry MOORE, Will BAGGET, William PERNELL, Benjamin TYNER, John BLANKS, Jas P BLANKS, Elias PREVATT, Archabal TYNER, James P HILARD, Jas P PREVATT, Joseph RATLEY, Alexander BARTLEY, and Wilis BARTLEY. Arry PREVATT, Sarah PREVATT, Martha TOWNSEND, Elizabeth DAVIS, Levina MOORE, Sarah Jane PREVATT, Susan ODUM, Eliza CARTER, Dicy WILKINS, Margert WILKINS, Mary J MOORE, Mary PERNELL, Mary Ann TYNER, Mary J PERNELL, Clarasa BAXLEY, Frances E PREVATT, Frances LOWERY, Sarah C JOHNSON, Loveda J MOORE, Nancy BAXLEY, Elizabeth BAXLEY, Milley BAXLEY, Penelope PREVATT, Sarah BAXLEY, Martha Ann BIGGS, Polly Ann CONNELLY, Susan HAMMOND, Amarica LOCKLEAR, Helen CARTER, Joan CARTER, Rachel JACOBS, Catherine REVELS, Martha Ann BAXLEY, Sarah WILKINS, Lucy Ann TOWNSEND, Susan C HUMPHREY, Nancy BIGGS PREVATT, Eliza COX, Mary BRITT, Rachel STANLEY, Frances Ann BRYANT, Sarah LAMB, Arra PREVATT, Mary LOE, Nancy HILLARD, Casa DICKSON, Sarah PERNELL, Martha CARTER, Martha J PREVATT, Elizus MOORE, Loveda Jane HUMPHREY, Polly Jane MOORE, Margaret J HUMOHREY, Sarah C HUMPHREY, Sophia Ann ODUM, Elisabeth J BRIGMAN, Lucy A DAVIS, Manday POWERS, Manda POWEL, Eliza HUMPHREY, Elender CARLILES, Margret CARLILES, Marthe ELIS, Abey RATLEY, Sinna PURNELL, Carline BLANKS, Martha J BAGGETT, Paries BARTLEY, Arra Jn BARTLEY, Mary SELEAY, Beckey WEST, Nancy ODOM, Grace McCARIEN, Jane Mc MILLIAN, Plesant WILKERSON, Frances McLANE, Ana Leiser MOORE and Hairra CLENTON. "The following Negroes were also listed as members:" Jack, the property of J SMITH, Charles, the property of E CARLILE Sam, the property of R B GREGORY Henry, the property of F PREVATT Jack, the property of M CULBETH Eliza, the property of D HARREL Mary, the property of F PREVATT Perry, the property of R KING SHERRIFF Gilbert, the property of McMILLON Washenton THOPSON Charles CARLILES Wesley CALBIRTH Carline WILLIAMS I have not changed any spellings. All are exactly as they are in my uncle's history. The statements within the quotation marks preceding the lists are Uncle Nash's words. I have more membership names which I copied myself from the LDS film for the years 1861 - 1891 which I will post later. The clerk did record some deaths beside these names, but not always the year in which the death occurred, only that the person was dead. Lynn

Alfred Rozier b 1797-1799 in Robeson Co d unknown + Nelly Drewry c 1805 d unknown in Robeson Co 2 Harriet Rozier b 1825 d unknown + William Rice m 3/9/1844 in Robeson Co 3 Miles P Rice + Susan Stephens m 4/4/1867 in Robeson Co 3 Helen Rice + Joseph G Baxley b 1844-1845 m 7/15/1869 in Robeson Co mother Dicey Sled father John Norment Baxley 3 Malinda Rice b 5/29/1852 d 5/13/1922 in Robeson Co + Ralseyman W Britt b 10/27/1846 d 4/13/1916 in Robeson Co mother Emily ? father Willis Boykin Britt 2 Mary Ann Rozier b 1826-1830 in Robeson Co d unknown + Reddin Rice m 5/26/1853 in Robeson Co 2 Oliver Rozier b 1835 in Robeson Co d unknown 2 Martha A b 3/4/1837 in Robeson Co d 2/26/1899 + Miles Sled Baxley b 8/21/1838 d 1/13/1918 m 3/15/1860 in Robeson Co mother Dicey Sled father John Norment Baxley 3 Willard Wellington Baxley b 1/27/1860 d 8/13/1935 3 Warren Baxley b 1867 3 William R Baxley b 7/2/1868 d 12/16/1925 3 Martha Frances Baxley b 3/23/1874 d 5/14/1948 + Richard Clinton Rhodes b 11/26/1866 in Bladen Co d 4/23/1935 m 2/15/1894 3 Edna Baxley b 1876 3 Ellen Baxley b 4/1/1872 d 4/4/1944 in Robeson Co + English Malloy Prevatt b 2/23/1865 in Robeson Co d 6/3/1943 in Robeson m 11/11/1886 in Robeson Co mother Rose Ann Jenkins father William Prevatt 4 Jasper Prevatt, Rev. b 2/5/1889 d 4/18/1968 in Lumberton + Lottie C Allen b 9/16/1892 d 3/1986 in Lumberton 5 Jasper Prevatt. Jr b 1/10/1927 d 1/20/1943 in Lumberton 4 Ophelia Prevatte b 5/1892 d unknown + Dave Butler m 8/26/1909 in Robeson Co 2nd + Hayes Rhodes m 10/8/1921 in Robeson Co 4 Pearl Prevatte b4/1897 d unknown 4 Miles Gurley Prevatte b 4/14/1898 in Lumberton d unknown + Lula Malone m 11/1/1917 in Robeson Co 4 Martha Prevatt b 5/1900 2 Russell Rozier b 1840-1842 in Robeson Co d 4/4/1907 in Robeson Co note the different spelling of Prevatte in some children ??? this is all I have on this line

As Margaret rightfully pointed out, some things do fall in the province of public domain, and certainly a membership list would be one. Here is part of the roll of members. " At the Raft Swamp Meeting House on September 29, 1854, Elders Elias DAVIS, Haynes LENNON and Isham STONE met to constitute a Baptist church. Haynes LENNON was appointed moderator. The following persons came forward at that time with letters of dismission from other churches." James PREVATT, Charles STATEN, James DAVIS, Abraham MOORE, Richardson TOWNSEND, Henry PREVATT, Thomas PURNELL, Cary WILKINS, Orra PREVATT, Sara PREVATT, Susannah OLDHAM, Martha TOWNSEND, Luvina MOORE, Elizabeth DAVIS, Sara WILLOUGHBY, Eliza CARTER and Margaret WILKINS. "At the time that the others were being received by letters from other churches, the following were initiated by baptism into the church:" Benjamin TYNER, Eli PREVATT, Sion WILKINS, Jerry, the Negro servant of Rufus KING, Mary Ann TYNER, Mary Jane MOORE, Orrra MOORE, Clarissa PREVATT and Mary PURNELL. I will have to break the roll into 2 separate postings because the next one covers 1854-1868 and is lengthy. As you can see, husbands and wives are not identified as such. Lynn

Hi, Margaret, I would agree with you except for the fact that my uncle's book is not a genealogy book. It is a true history of Raft Swamp Baptist Church. The only thing in it that would help us as genealogy buffs is the roll of members and the payroll. No families are delineated. My concern comes from the fact of his acknowledgement that he used "some information" from someone else's published work for part of his sources and since Peggy is married to a TOWNSEND, I thought it only prudent to get her opinion since it was Jerry TOWNSEND whom my uncle acknowledges. Lynn PRETTYMAN Baltimore, MD [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:00 AM Subject: [NCROBESO-L] QUESTION re copyrights > Mustn't a work be original before it can be copyrighted? If this is > true, then what is copyrightable about a genealogy book---unless, of > course, it has some unique features????? Geneally, they are composed of > lineages based on public records. > > These are questions I've been pondering and would appreciate other views > re the matter. > >

Hi, Carol, Tom and I were glad to hear from you about a King and Bowden family connection in the Carolinas. My paternal grandfather was Joseph Bowden Neely, Sr. (1888-1928) from Horry County, SC who married Nettie King (1896-1958) from somewhere along the SC-NC border. They both claimed to have been from Wilmington, NC. One of my theories is that they may have been cousins of some sort, although I have no proof either way. Another theory is that the Neelys may have come from Columbus County, NC. Joseph Bowden Neely, Sr. was the son of Joe E. Neely and Sharlotte (or Charlotte) (maiden name unknown, but maybe Lee) of Horry County, SC. Joseph Bowden Neely, Sr. had at least two siblings, sisters Ada C. and Ruthie B. Neely. Nettie King was the daughter of Eddie King and Margarett (maybe Marguerite) (maiden name unknown). Nettie claimed to have French ancestry and that the Neelys were Irish. Nettie King had at least one sibling, brother Lonnie King, who died about 1931 in Saint Paul's, Robeson County, NC. He was married to Mary Margaret Chappell, and they had a daughter, Helen Chappell King Greene, who lives in Scotland County, NC. After Lonnie's death Mary Margaret Chappell married Walter Wright. By 1920 Joseph Bowden Neely, Sr. and Nettie King were living in Savannah, Chatham County, Georgia where all their children and grandchildren were born. I hope there is a connection. I know so very little about the Neelys, Kings, and Bowdens. I just keep hitting brick walls. Our genealogy page is at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/o/n/Sharlotte--N-Donnelly and all the Neely, King, and Bowden info is under the report on the "Ancestors of Joseph Bowden Neely, Jr." Let me know if there is a connection. I have a few photos posted of the Neelys and Kings. Thanks so very much. Sharlotte Neely Donnelly [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Came across your query that you had posted to the New Hanover Co., NC > website. I am a descendant of the King family of Wilmington and there is a > Bowden connection. Perhaps we are researching the same families. Looking > forward to hearing from you soon and sharing our information. > > Carol Garrett > [email protected] > Chamblee, GA

At 12:33 PM 6/4/00 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >Thanks so very much for sending this information to the mail list. I am >interested in the name Alexander McKay. The statement in the year of 1755 >does that mean when preaching was done at the various homes? >I am trying to determine if the Alexander McKay listed above is "my" >Alexander McKay. My McKay family settled in Robeson Co about 1792. Maggie: You will probably want to read an article called "6 Pre-Revolutionary War McKays Named Alexander - All From The Valley Of The Scots", which was published in the Dec. 1994 "Argyll Colony Plus". Even if none of them are your Alexander McKay, it will at least give you an idea of who the other Alexander McKays in the area were, and where they were located. Jeffrey

At 02:00 AM 6/6/00 -0500, Margaret Miller wrote: >Mustn't a work be original before it can be copyrighted? If this is >true, then what is copyrightable about a genealogy book---unless, of >course, it has some unique features????? Geneally, they are composed of >lineages based on public records. Copyrights and genealogy can be very confusing. A "lost" cousin of mine saw the copyright notice on my webpage and freaked out. He thought that if he gave me any of his research, then I would own it. Not true, but hard to explain. I'll try though. When you take information from the public domain and publish it, you CAN copyright the transcription and reorganization of the information, but the original information is still in the public domain. For instance, companies like Broderbund transcribe census information and put it on CDROMs. You can still go transcribe your own copy of the census. You can even copy small portions of Broderbund's census data and publish it, with your own copyright, assuming you provide an editorial or contextual enhancement, such as saying THIS entry corresponds THIS family, THAT entry corresponds to THAT family. This is called "Fair Use". Just don't try republishing the entire county. Posting a list of names from a copyrighted book to this list would be considered "Fair Use". Posting an entire chapter probably wouldn't. Many people in genealogy now use what is known as a "copyleft" notice. That's a double pun on copyright - it's more liberal, or to the LEFT, of a traditional copyright, and the information is LEFT in the public domain, providing no one tries to profit commercially from the information. But it still asserts copyright ownership for the person who compiled the information. If you look around the RootsWeb website, you'll see a copyleft notice at the bottom of most of their webpages. A list of links on copyright law can be found at: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/ats/atc/materials/copy/refs.shtml Jeffrey

Mustn't a work be original before it can be copyrighted? If this is true, then what is copyrightable about a genealogy book---unless, of course, it has some unique features????? Geneally, they are composed of lineages based on public records. These are questions I've been pondering and would appreciate other views re the matter.

I rearranged the normal order of this message cause I should have forwarded it when I received it but didn't. I apologize for the awkwardness but I thought Betty had a valid question and I would appreciate hearing other views on the copyright issue. I did mention to her that I would ask Uncle Nash for permission to copy his work. Also, please see my request at the end of the forwarded messages that I asked concerning RICE. TIA, Lynn **************************************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty M. Bivins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 7:01 PM > Subject: raft swamp > > > > Lynn, > > Do you have the resources to scan those 25 pages and let us all have an electronic copy? or could you send me a photocopy and I will type it to put on the robeson list. it might take me 3-4 months, but that way we all could have a copy. or is the book copyrighted? would it be possiblefor you to type a few pages at the time and place on the list. > > Betty in GA > From: "Lynn Prettyman" <[email protected]> To: "Betty M. Bivins" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: raft swamp > > At the time Nash wrote the history, he gave acknowledgement to the record books of Raft Swamp Baptist Church, to the Associational Minutes, and a "brief, previous history" written by Jerry William TOWNSEND in 1954. >Nash was the Historian of the Robeson Association in 1961. I would think, therefore, that all of the material is copyrighted. (There is a warning that permission is needed to photocopy the church records and that was in 1982.) > Some of the material is described as newspaper clippings from 1965-69, of which clippings I do not have copies. I can always ask Nash for permission, but I don't know about the other sources. > > It would be safer, from a legal standpoint, I think, not to reproduce > electronic copies, but I am willing to be advised by anyone who may know the answer. Peggy, Sam or Joanne, your input, please. > > Lynn > **************************************************************************** *** I also have a question concerning the RICE family. My great-aunt, Etta LEE JOHNSON, dtr of Daniel JOHNSON and Emma Frances CARLISLE was married to Thurman LASSITER RICE. My father was friends with an A J RICE, (1942-43) and they may even have been at Ft Bragg together. Mom was born and lived in St Pauls and then lived in Lumberton after my father was sent overseas, so A J probably was from St Pauls and most likely a cousin. Do any of you recognize my aunt and her husband as being family members? Her sister, my grandmother, was Emma Winnifred JOHNSON, married to Bernice Mathuel ODOM. TIA, Lynn [email protected]

In response to someone who asked what I paid for my Kinfolks copies, I bought Vol. 1 & 2, plus the index, on KINFOLKS, by W.C. Harllee at a bookshop called Bookworm & Silverfish. Their email address is [email protected] The two books plus index cost me $300.00. I have not found a copy of Vol. 3 yet. I wish it included a book on how to use the index. There are probably copies of all three volumes around somewhere cheaper. I did not have that many resources at the time. Here are some other addresses you can check out: www.bibliofind.com www.bookfinder.com www.abebooks.com Joanne Harley