Again I don't know like Pat said if this helps anyone. But I remembered there were Gilliam's in Johnson County IL. I found my book on the county and it says they came from VA to TN onto IL (doesn't say if they stopped in NC). The man who did come to Johnson County IL was William H. Gilliam b. 1856 arrived in Johnson County about 1860. Mara ==== NCORANGE Mailing List ==== Larry Noah - lrnoah@bigfoot.com - Listowner - NCORANGE mailing list Orange Co, NC USGenWeb site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncorange GENDEX at http://www.gendex.com/gendex/ has over 1400 databases on line