I tried to look up the definition of MBruce9681@aol.com and the best one that I could find is the one that states that she is the best example that I know of that would define a wonderful genealogist and I am personally proud to call her family. Even if we are not I am going to adopt her. She has asked us who we are researching that could have belonged to the Brick Church and that we could help each other. I am an Albright, Clapp, Cobble, ,Effland, Sharp and last but not least I am a nineth generation Graves and the last one in the branch of the family tree, for I was a girl. With the name of Pat I am sometimes mistaken for Patrick. The main part of my research has been studying the genealogies of the above people in hopes of discovering the true identy of John Graff. I have been collection the Penn. records of all Graffs, and several spelling of the surname. I would love to see the Graves/graffs to start submitting that information to the surname list. Just the records where we got them, dates etc. This would be to avoid getting into the flaming thing.. My line of course moved to Tenn..so I am not to knowledgeable in the North Carolina extended line. HOWEVER.....I have some off beat Orange County folks that to the best of my knowledge in not connected to the Orange County Graves...Until a little bit later.... I am looking for information on the Hall family, Hayes, and maybe the Gilliam lines that are from Orange County. I am going to tell about them in a separate letter because I do not want to be delated because of the other line. I f I can help anyone at any time just let me know. I have been debating for a long time about if I should start putting my reference to the German line of Graffs on the Graff line. Some people can take the flaming and all that stuff but I am afraid that I am the touchy one and if no one is interested, which appears to be the case then why bother. Please let me know what your feeling are. I only intend to put families, with records, not make any judgements as to who I may or may not think they are. God Bless, Pat Graves Reagan ==== NCORANGE Mailing List ==== Larry Noah - lrnoah@bigfoot.com - Listowner - NCORANGE mailing list Orange Co, NC USGenWeb site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncorange List archives are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/NCORANGE-L/97/