Jacob Graff.... b.1691 d.1772 Phil. M.18 July 1718 Huffelsheim Maria Phillipina Stoormer b.16 April 1693 bap.23 April 1693 Nordner, norheim Ehrenburg, in what is called Germany today. d. 29 May 1764, Nordner Norheim Ehrenburg, She was the daughter of Herman and Susanna Stormer. Jacob and family came to America in 1741 on the ship "Molly" His age was 60 years old, son Casper 22, and son John 16. Jacobs wife and younger children not shown on ships list. Martin Graef, age 29 came on same ship but records say he was "not the son ". A deed dated 22 March 1775, to David Frishmet, a Phildelphia baker, names 5 children. 1. Casper Graff b. 1719 Huffelsheim d. 1787 Philadelphia M. 1 Oct 1745 CAthrina Elizabeth Baurin 2. John Graff b 1725 m.MARIA MAGDALEN FUCHS 3. Jacob Graff died before 10 December 1781Philadelphia Married 18 September 1750 Anna Cathrina Ablelin 4.Maria Philipina but signed her name Phebe Graff Married >>>>>CHRYSTLER was a widow by 1775 5. Matthias Graff was listed as younger. I believe that the John Graff that married Maria Magdalen Fucks is the father of John Jacob b. March 8 1746 REASONS 1. They named there first born son after the Father of John which would fit into German naming Patterns. 2. John Jacob Graff & Katherine would have been John Jacob Graff and Catherine who appear to be the brother and sister-in -law would have been the sponcers of the child which would also have fit into the German naming and baptism record of the times. 2. John Graff and wife Sebastion b. October 1 1747 would also fit the naming pattern and time span. Sebastion Graff was the sponcer of this child and I cannot identify him but I do believe that John Graff and his wife Maria Magdalen Fucks named him after this Sebastion. The english equlifant would have been "Bostain" . Thus John Sebastion (Boston-Bastion) Graff. 3. I also believe that Maria Phillipina Graff was the daughter of John or Johannes and his wife Maria Magadlen were also the parents. Once again we see the same pattern in all of the above birth. The name always remains the same it is either John or Johannes and Maria Magadlina , which is sometime shorten to mean Mary. This child could have been named after the Mother Maria Phillipina Stoner. She is the one that died in Germany. I have never seen a child that was going to be called by his middle name called John John Graff(example) if John was going to be called by that name they would name Him Johannes Graff with no accompting middle name. It would also fit into the Salisbury N.C. District Court Min. of John Graves becoming a Naturalized citizen. How ever this is the only three children that have been given references to that appears to have all the things that we would consider "proof" that these are the children of John Graff. But if we except this information then we would have problems with the John Sebastion Graff who came on the Alexander and Ann. On the other hand it would make it more believeable that John Graves would be able to make the trip to Tennessee at a younger age , instead of the 103 and 104 keeping in mind that they did not go by covered wagaon but they walked in trails, not roads , in 1785-1800. My name is Patricia Ann Graves Reagan . I am related to the First Graves for three out of four, five, or six of his children and I would be the 9th generation. To me it is important to be able to prove as a Graff and Graves line once and for all, by working as a family. To be able to do it with a open mind. I also believe it is up to us as a family to determind who he is and not the Sharps. I love the sharps to and they are also my line through Sarah Sharp and the marriage of John Graves son of Turley Cobble and John Jacob Graff. Pat Graves Reagan ==== NCORANGE Mailing List ==== Larry Noah - lrnoah@bigfoot.com - Listowner - NCORANGE mailing list Orange Co, NC USGenWeb site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncorange USGenWeb Orange Co, NC Archives site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/orangnc.htm