"there was a cultural clash between the German trait of neatness, "a place for everything and everything in it's place . . ." Larry asked me to write a little something about my understanding about the tensions between the Scotch-Irish and the German communities in Orange Co.NC. My husband, after living for 26 years with a wife who is Scotch-Irish and German, put the little quip (see above) on my computer screen and I sent it by mistake. Sorry 'bout that. As well as political differences, I would suspect that language was a big factor in the 'misunderstanding' between the German Community and the Scotch-Irish across the river. I understand that at the first few census in Orange a large percentage of the German community spoke only German. In the book "Orange County--1752-1952; Chapt. III written by Ruth Blackwelder, she states: "There were Scotch-Irish in eastern Orange --in the Little river and New Hope creek sections." ". . . The Scotch-Irish in what is now Guilford County organized Buffalo Presbyterian church in 1756." "Germans held the land west of the Haw River. The Pioneers in that group were Lutheran. Ludiwg CLAPP's grant of 640 acres on the Alamance was recorded in 1752." " There were other distinct settlements on Orange county, English emigrants from Virginia settled in northern Orange alsong the Hico river and County Line Creek. "South Ireland" near Stoney creek, in present Alamance county, indicates the Irish element." "Quakers constituted a considerable portion of the early population of Orange county. There were 950 white taxables in 1755 but there were only 490 on the militia list, which may be explained by the fact that many Quakers were pacifists. Quakers settled north of Hillsboro but they were most numerous in the Cain Creek and Stinking Quarter Creek area. (note: I have Hinshaw's Quaker Book for NC - if anyone needs lookups) Cheers, Carol ==== NCORANGE Mailing List ==== Larry Noah - lrnoah@bigfoot.com - Listowner - NCORANGE mailing list Orange Co, NC USGenWeb site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncorange USGenWeb Orange Co, NC Archives site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/orangnc.htm