Dear Barbara; I was pretty sure that "Andrew" and "Bradley" as names came from other families. Bradley is a surname. There were Bradleys in Orange County, so it seems likely that my Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley and that's why he named his oldest son as he did. I suspect Andrew himself was a younger son of either James or John Collins who acquired land in Orange County in 1755. He may have gotten along with his father about as well as most of the Collins sons did (actually didn't)in my Collins line, for several generations, which may be why he didn't name his oldest son after his father. Bradley Collins and his son Andrew Collins didn't often get along well and the name Bradley ended up a middle name for one of Andrew's (son of Bradley) sons as a result. Usually the oldest son--or daughter--had the most conflicts with the Collins parent but not always. In general, pride, strong will and occasional downright pig-headedness seem to be regular character traits of this family. ;-) Sincerely, Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara McCoy Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:07 PM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] COLLINS Dear Celia, I have researched Collins in NC and VA also, but a different line. However, others have sent me info that includes wills: Andrew Collins 1777 Perquimans Co., NC Andrew Collins 1791 Wake Co., NC SC Royal land grants and head rights: Collins, Andrew 100 acres, Craven Co., 23 Jan 1773 Andrew 200 acres and 200 acres on 3 Runs Creek, 16 Sep 1774 Andrew 400 acres on Pee Dee River, 17 Feb 1736 Miscellany of Collins in Early SC: Before the Revolution: South Carolina Tories. All are from the York, Union, Spartenburg Counties area. These men may have left SC after the Rev. Most of the Tories moved west. Some remained in SC. **** Bradley Collings (!!!) Note: The other names are Isaac Collans, James Collins, Joseph Collins, Moses Collins and Moses Collins II I hope this provides some leads for you. I do recommend trying SC and VA for more info. The names Andrew and Bradley never appear in the Collins I research, so you can be sure they picked up those "family" names from ancestors and relatives. You may enjoy going to http//www.tamandmichael.com/COLHIST.1.htm for more into on Collins Origins, although you're not close to this now.Still it's interesting. Done by Michael Collins Dunn. Includes The Name Collins, The Pursuit of the Earliest Collinses, etc. There may be more on your names there that I wouldn't remember. Let me know if you have any success. Good luck. Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM