Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding the Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. Robin Holt in Kentucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Celia, > > Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John > Riley, > Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John > Gray, > 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. > > Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and > John. December 4, 1762. > > Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. > Lived > in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and sister, > Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were > Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in Open > Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. > > No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that > being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. > > Hope this helps. > > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> > To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM > Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to > early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > >> Dear group; >> >> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >> one >> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it back, >> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >> Hastings >> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange County, >> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >> He >> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >> Jr. >> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to Indiana, >> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white brother >> of >> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >> >> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >> they >> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed as >> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >> them >> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >> white. >> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first to >> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >> 1840 >> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as mulatto, >> and >> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >> son >> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >> >> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >> James, >> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >> naming >> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >> them >> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >> third >> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >> >> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >> and >> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was the >> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >> sons >> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >> >> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had a >> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of Henry >> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain some >> of >> this. >> >> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >> >> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >> surname, >> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married to >> a >> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >> Collins. >> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, James >> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name order >> of >> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >> 2nd, >> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown name, >> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or John >> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >> >> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John and >> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >> >> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >> found >> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the parents >> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >> >> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >> who >> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >> later >> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that unknown >> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >> at >> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 or >> 4 >> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a child >> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >> 22, >> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >> Where >> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >> >> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >> the >> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two years >> in >> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. She >> had >> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >> then >> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the 1820's, >> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >> in >> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 surviving >> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine Barney >> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 by >> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >> >> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Mrs. Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

George GIBSON will written in Orange County NC 5 November 1775. Left his estate to his sons and daughters to be shared equally. Wife, Mary Gibson to maintain control until her death or remarriage. Sherwood Parrish and Thomas Gibson Sr named Executors. Witnesses were Sherwood Parrish, Joel (x) Gibson, Lenerisey (x) Collins. Will produced in open court and recorded May term of 1776, F. Nash, Clerk. (Will book A, pages 194-195) There is a really long will in Will Book A, Page 222, concerning Willliam Johnston, deceased. The index states a Gibson appears on pages 74 and 75, but I can only see the name once, on page 74. It reads ".........................and in such case I request the favour of my friend James Gibson of Kelton in the sire of Gallaway in Scotland aforesaid, late of Suffolk in the Colony of Virginia Esquire, to receive from my Executors, the said legacies and bequeth .............." This will is quite involved. It does not appear that Johnston left James Gibson anything, just wanted him to make sure his mother got what was coming to her ..? His mother was living at the time he wrote the will, and he had one daughter who was not yet 21, and one slave named "Big Esther", who was to be freed upon his death. Executors were James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchen, and Richard Bennehan. Will signed June 8, 1780? (it is written eighth day of June in the year of our Lord Christ one thousand and eighty, but these are all 1700s wills.) No witnesses listed and no information as to proving the will. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <holt@vci.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700'stoearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George > Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I > wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other > Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my > gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed > or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding > the > Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. > Robin Holt in Kentucky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's > toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > >> Celia, >> >> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >> Riley, >> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >> Gray, >> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and >> John. December 4, 1762. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >> Lived >> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and >> sister, >> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in >> Open >> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >> >> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Betty

Robin, This is a list of all the Gibsons that enrolled for Rev War Pensions and served from NC. No Gibson connection for me. Just trying to help Surname Given Name State Service GIBSON CHARLES NC GIBSON CHARLES NC GIBSON JACOB NC GIBSON JOEL NC GIBSON JOHN NC, VA GIBSON JOHN NC GIBSON JOSEPH NC GIBSON THOMAS NC GIBSON WILBOURE NC GIBSON WILLIAM NC GIBSON WILLIAM NC Robin wrote: > Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George > Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I > wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other > Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my > gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed > or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding the > Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. > Robin Holt in Kentucky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's > toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > > >> Celia, >> >> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >> Riley, >> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >> Gray, >> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and >> John. December 4, 1762. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >> Lived >> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and sister, >> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in Open >> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >> >> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Betty >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM >> Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to >> early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >> >> >> >>> Dear group; >>> >>> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >>> one >>> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it back, >>> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >>> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >>> Hastings >>> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange County, >>> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >>> He >>> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >>> Jr. >>> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to Indiana, >>> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white brother >>> of >>> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >>> >>> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >>> they >>> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >>> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed as >>> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >>> them >>> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >>> white. >>> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first to >>> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >>> 1840 >>> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as mulatto, >>> and >>> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >>> son >>> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >>> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >>> >>> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >>> James, >>> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >>> naming >>> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >>> them >>> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >>> third >>> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >>> >>> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >>> and >>> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was the >>> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >>> sons >>> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >>> >>> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had a >>> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >>> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of Henry >>> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain some >>> of >>> this. >>> >>> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >>> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >>> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >>> >>> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >>> surname, >>> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married to >>> a >>> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >>> Collins. >>> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, James >>> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name order >>> of >>> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >>> 2nd, >>> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown name, >>> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or John >>> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >>> >>> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John and >>> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >>> >>> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >>> found >>> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >>> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the parents >>> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >>> >>> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >>> who >>> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >>> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >>> later >>> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that unknown >>> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >>> at >>> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 or >>> 4 >>> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a child >>> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >>> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >>> 22, >>> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >>> Where >>> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >>> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >>> >>> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >>> the >>> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two years >>> in >>> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. She >>> had >>> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >>> then >>> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >>> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the 1820's, >>> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >>> in >>> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 surviving >>> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >>> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >>> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine Barney >>> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 by >>> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >>> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >>> >>> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Mrs. Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Excellent... and thanks so very much for your help ! Some of these have to be relatives, Joel Gibson below settled in my area of Ky as well. Thanks again for your generosity. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara_2000@yahoo.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Robin, > > This is a list of all the Gibsons that enrolled for Rev War Pensions and > served from NC. No Gibson connection for me. Just trying to help > > Surname Given Name State Service > GIBSON CHARLES NC > GIBSON CHARLES NC > GIBSON JACOB NC > GIBSON JOEL NC > GIBSON JOHN NC, VA > GIBSON JOHN NC > GIBSON JOSEPH NC > GIBSON THOMAS NC > GIBSON WILBOURE NC > GIBSON WILLIAM NC > GIBSON WILLIAM NC > > Robin wrote: >> Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George >> Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I >> wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other >> Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my >> gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were >> mixed >> or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding >> the >> Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice >> week. >> Robin Holt in Kentucky >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> >> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's >> toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >> >> >> >>> Celia, >>> >>> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >>> Riley, >>> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >>> Gray, >>> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >>> >>> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James >>> and >>> John. December 4, 1762. >>> >>> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >>> Lived >>> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and >>> sister, >>> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >>> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in >>> Open >>> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >>> >>> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >>> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Betty >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM >>> Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to >>> early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear group; >>>> >>>> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >>>> one >>>> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it >>>> back, >>>> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >>>> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >>>> Hastings >>>> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange >>>> County, >>>> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >>>> He >>>> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >>>> Jr. >>>> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to >>>> Indiana, >>>> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white >>>> brother >>>> of >>>> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >>>> >>>> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >>>> they >>>> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >>>> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed >>>> as >>>> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >>>> them >>>> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >>>> white. >>>> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first >>>> to >>>> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >>>> 1840 >>>> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as >>>> mulatto, >>>> and >>>> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >>>> son >>>> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >>>> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >>>> >>>> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >>>> James, >>>> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >>>> naming >>>> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >>>> them >>>> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >>>> third >>>> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >>>> >>>> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >>>> and >>>> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was >>>> the >>>> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >>>> sons >>>> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >>>> >>>> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had >>>> a >>>> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >>>> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of >>>> Henry >>>> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain >>>> some >>>> of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >>>> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >>>> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >>>> >>>> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >>>> surname, >>>> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married >>>> to >>>> a >>>> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >>>> Collins. >>>> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, >>>> James >>>> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name >>>> order >>>> of >>>> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >>>> 2nd, >>>> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown >>>> name, >>>> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or >>>> John >>>> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >>>> >>>> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John >>>> and >>>> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >>>> >>>> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >>>> found >>>> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >>>> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the >>>> parents >>>> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >>>> >>>> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >>>> who >>>> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >>>> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >>>> later >>>> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that >>>> unknown >>>> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >>>> at >>>> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 >>>> or >>>> 4 >>>> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a >>>> child >>>> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >>>> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >>>> 22, >>>> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >>>> Where >>>> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >>>> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >>>> >>>> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >>>> the >>>> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two >>>> years >>>> in >>>> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. >>>> She >>>> had >>>> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >>>> then >>>> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >>>> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the >>>> 1820's, >>>> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >>>> in >>>> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 >>>> surviving >>>> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >>>> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >>>> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine >>>> Barney >>>> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 >>>> by >>>> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >>>> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >>>> >>>> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Mrs. Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >