Alamance County was originally part of Orange County, the county immediately to the east. Alamance County was officially proclaimed a county in April of 1849. The boundary to the north finds Caswell County, south is Chatham Co unty, and west is Guilford County. Few facts in Alamance history are more disputed than the origin of the name "Alamance". Although some sources claim that Alamance was named by early German immigrants who came here from the "Alemanni" region of the Rhineland, others claim that the Indians called the Alamance Creek by the Indian word "Amonsi" or "Alamons," which meant "noisy river" or by another word which meant "blue clay". An interesting article about German immigrants in North Carolina can be found here: _http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.h tm_ (http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

My Hart Family in the 1840's were in Orange county Northern Division and then the Northern Division of Alamance in 1850 and in 1860 the town of Graham is listed on the census and then in 1870 Pleasant Grove. I have taking a DNA test and have had a match with a Hart from Kentucky who goes back to the Harts who were intermarried with the Strayhorns of the New Hope Church, which I believe to be around the Hillsboro area. Im having trouble making ties with my Harts in documentation. In the census records they were neighbors with names like Shaw, Allen, Wyatt, Byrd and even intermarried with some of these families. Was Alamance a German Area??? James Hart jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of benjib2 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:45 PM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY Elizabeth You are right I stand corrected bh Elizabeth Harris wrote: >> Winston Salem, old Wachovia, Alamance County NC >> > > > Winston-Salem and Wachovia are not in Alamance County, and never have > been. This area was part of Rowan County at the time of its > settlement, then part of Surry Co. from 1770-1789, Stokes Co. from > 1789-1849, and now Forsyth. > > However, there were other German settlers in what is now eastern > Guilford County and western Alamance county, in the area called > Stinking Quarter. Guilford was formed from parts of Rowan and Orange > in 1770. Alamance was formed from Orange in 1849. > > > > >> jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >>> what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? >>> >>> >>>> From: bebenjohn@aol.com >>>> Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT >>>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >>>> >>>> Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from >>>> Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud >>>> ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip >>>> Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. >>>> Bebe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RLMLFM@aol.com >>>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots >>>> >>>> There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the >>>> heading "Ethnicity >>>> and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link >>>> _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ >>>> (http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) >>>> that shows the >>>> pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where >>>> they settled. >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>> http://www.aol.com. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about >>>> what's free from AOL at AOL.com. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to mention other Orange county names I am researching Mary Morris, Henry Spivey, Wicker. Christine

Also, try leaving the letter s off Cheek. Alexander Cheek, called Sandy, m. into my Stroud family. She would have been a dau. of Delilah Bryant who m. John Stroud. Cameron was an imp. Orange name. Bebe -----Original Message----- From: poppy0206@earthlink.net To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family and Brooks family connection Hi Pam, My Tula Homer Cates whom married Dosie Lee Allen is living with her parents at age 16 in Hillsboro, NC in 1870. This is before her marriage to Dosie Allen. Her mother's maiden name was Cheeks. I am also researching Chatham, NC with my Walker line whom was mentioned ein the Ida Kellum book along with my Mclean line. My Walker married a Cameron. The Mclean family ties into my Cameron line. I do not yet know the Brooks connection to my Walker and Mclean line, why they were mentioned in the book quite yet. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pambrett@pacbell.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family and Brooks family connection > Thanks to all those who answered my request regarding Edward Cate/o/or. > > I looked at the entries on WorldConnect, but unfortunately, there are > no sources given for the information. > > The Thomas Keates Cates b. Aug. 2, 1758 in Maryland is probably not > connected since my Edward was in Orange as early as 1755 when he is > on the tax list with 1 poll. > > I am looking for Cate/s/or in Virginia as well. > > I don't know if my Thomas Brooks is related to the people in the book > Brooks and Kindred Family > by Ida Kellum. I found his will on microfilm in Salt Lake. It was > probated in 1810 and he was mentioned as a resident of Hillsborough. > > It lists: wife Elizabeth (presumably daughter of Edward CAte/e/or) > son Andrew (died 1812) > > son William, found in the 1810 United States Federal Census > North > Carolina > Orange > Hillsborough > > daughter Hannah Brooks and her son James (I'm not sure if Hannah > Brooks was married or perhaps she married a Brooks and kept the same > surname.) > > daughter Susannah Jackson; married Thomas Jackson in Orange 22 Dec 1787 > > daughter Betsy HOWELL is Elizabeth Howell who married Benjamin Howell > and moved to Grainger County Tennessee. > > daughter Sally Tyrrell married Joseph Terrell 6 May 1789 > > I know there is another Thomas Brooks about the same age who died in > Chatham County in 1812; in Ida Kellum's book, she say this Thomas > married Martha Temple. I haven't found any connection, but I plan to > study land deeds and see if these Brooks families lived near each > other. > > Pam > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I haven't as am from Isaac, son of John and Susan and we all, my branch, stuck around old Orange until my grandfather d. in 1955...so we knew a lot already and the Archives in Raleigh is just 2-3 hrs. from Winston Salem. I guess we are spoiled. My husband was b. in Person Co. as father's family there and grew up in Alamance where his mother was from. So you know how we feel about this general neck of the woods. Try the sp. of Thomason with 2 s's as seems I saw that sp. sometime in Chatham. Bebe -----Original Message----- From: pambrett@pacbell.net To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] I'm hunting Brooks Too!! Have you seen the Brooks Family by James McDowell Allen? It states: James born 1725 married Margaret Thomason daughter of Simon of Chatham died 1800; listed in the 1790 census in Newberry County, South Carolina; James served in the South Carolina militia as a private under Colonel Anderson; will of Simon Thomason proved 1784 mentions daughter Margaret Brooks and grandson Simon Brooks; James and Margaret moved to Franklin County, Georgia and probably died there. This source focuses on his children in SC and Georgia. Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Right, Pam!! Bebe -----Original Message----- From: pambrett@pacbell.net To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cates, Brooks and Howell family connections Bebe- I am familiar with your William Stroud; I believe you are referring to Fannie Stroud who married Edward Howell who died ca 1796 in Sumner County, Tennessee. I have quite a few references to this Edward Howell in Orange such as 1788 Orange County, North Carolina, taxpayers list in St. Thomas District. He is also listed as in an Orange County land deed Oct 11, 1787: Edwd Howel enters 300 acres in Orange on waters of Morgins Cr; border Henry Morris. Another land deed Jan 24. 1791 Benj Howell enters 100 acres in Orange on waters of Morgans Cr; border his own land and Stephen Lloyd. And Benjamin is with Edward on the 1788 Orange County, North Carolina, taxpayers list in St. Thomas District. I am guessing they are brothers. I have been researching the Terrells as well. In the book Terrell Genealogy, author Emma Dicken cites the 1811 Orange County will of Andrew Brooks which mentions his sister Sally, the wife of Joseph Terrell but she doesn't know where this Joseph Terrell fits into the other Terrells of that area. Lots of clues and lots more work to do.... Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Lisa, I have been to a few of the Chatham Brooks reunions but don't think anyone has proven where John and Susan Brooks were prior to NC but researchers think they were in VA, then to (proven) Cross Creek, with Terrells, area now known as Fayettville, NC. Then later up the Neuse River, thought in canoes, to Chatham, then still part of old Orange. They are sd. to have had the first glass windows in the county. The old house burned in ca the 1940's or 50's. And it is sd. John was on Tory Col. David Fanning's most wanted list and his men chased John up the stairs and was hacking at the door with his sword while John was jumping out the window onto his horse and sped away! This door is supposedly with a descendant in Greensboro, NC. Seems two of the Brooks signed the Regulator Advertisement. They were politically minded. John's son Isaac represented new Chatham at ...pre Rev War a bit, and he also presented a bill to Colonial Gov regarding building a better road between New Bern, if memory serves, to Wachovia, in current Forsyth Co., NC. We think it was the plank road or a BETTER plank road?? Anyway, Roger Foushee, Brooks fam. historian asked that a part of HWY 421 which is at or near Siler City, AND near the old Brooks property, be named Isaac or Ike Brooks after him. And so it was. Maybe you can find Roger through a Brooks site. He knows allll this about the family, and likely about your James if Kellam inc. him in her bk. I bet she did as had no children and traveled about with her husband to many courthouses in several states. Seems he was a lawyer. Interesting...keep us posted. Bebe -----Original Message----- From: SouthrnGenealogy@aol.com To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:04 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] I'm hunting Brooks Too!! Since I saw the name Brooks come up on the list, I'll throw in my Brooks need. I have Jonathan Brooks born abt. 1775 in Oglethorpe GA (he later married Nancy Monk). His father was supposed to have been James Brooks who was born 1 Jan 1725 in Yorkshire England to John Brooks Sr. and Susan Narsin. There were THREE different James Brooks who were from Orange NC to SC, but the one I am interested in is the James Brooks who married Elizabeth Smith, born Cherokee Nation East, to Nicholas Smith and Elisabeth Downing. Nicholas Smith was the son of Ambrose Joshua Smith. While James Brooks migrated to SC and married there at least twice, he never lost touch with the family of his wife. Nicholas Smith migrated to Franklin County, GA but he died (according to the family story) while on a trip to visit family in Richmond NC. Does anyone at all know anything about the above Jonathan Brooks ? Lisa M. Mills ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Pam, My Tula Homer Cates whom married Dosie Lee Allen is living with her parents at age 16 in Hillsboro, NC in 1870. This is before her marriage to Dosie Allen. Her mother's maiden name was Cheeks. I am also researching Chatham, NC with my Walker line whom was mentioned ein the Ida Kellum book along with my Mclean line. My Walker married a Cameron. The Mclean family ties into my Cameron line. I do not yet know the Brooks connection to my Walker and Mclean line, why they were mentioned in the book quite yet. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pambrett@pacbell.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family and Brooks family connection > Thanks to all those who answered my request regarding Edward Cate/o/or. > > I looked at the entries on WorldConnect, but unfortunately, there are > no sources given for the information. > > The Thomas Keates Cates b. Aug. 2, 1758 in Maryland is probably not > connected since my Edward was in Orange as early as 1755 when he is > on the tax list with 1 poll. > > I am looking for Cate/s/or in Virginia as well. > > I don't know if my Thomas Brooks is related to the people in the book > Brooks and Kindred Family > by Ida Kellum. I found his will on microfilm in Salt Lake. It was > probated in 1810 and he was mentioned as a resident of Hillsborough. > > It lists: wife Elizabeth (presumably daughter of Edward CAte/e/or) > son Andrew (died 1812) > > son William, found in the 1810 United States Federal Census > North > Carolina > Orange > Hillsborough > > daughter Hannah Brooks and her son James (I'm not sure if Hannah > Brooks was married or perhaps she married a Brooks and kept the same > surname.) > > daughter Susannah Jackson; married Thomas Jackson in Orange 22 Dec 1787 > > daughter Betsy HOWELL is Elizabeth Howell who married Benjamin Howell > and moved to Grainger County Tennessee. > > daughter Sally Tyrrell married Joseph Terrell 6 May 1789 > > I know there is another Thomas Brooks about the same age who died in > Chatham County in 1812; in Ida Kellum's book, she say this Thomas > married Martha Temple. I haven't found any connection, but I plan to > study land deeds and see if these Brooks families lived near each > other. > > Pam >

Elizabeth You are right I stand corrected bh Elizabeth Harris wrote: >> Winston Salem, old Wachovia, Alamance County NC >> > > > Winston-Salem and Wachovia are not in Alamance County, and never have > been. This area was part of Rowan County at the time of its > settlement, then part of Surry Co. from 1770-1789, Stokes Co. from > 1789-1849, and now Forsyth. > > However, there were other German settlers in what is now eastern > Guilford County and western Alamance county, in the area called > Stinking Quarter. Guilford was formed from parts of Rowan and Orange > in 1770. Alamance was formed from Orange in 1849. > > > > >> jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >>> what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? >>> >>> >>>> From: bebenjohn@aol.com >>>> Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT >>>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >>>> >>>> Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from >>>> Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud >>>> ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip >>>> Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. >>>> Bebe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RLMLFM@aol.com >>>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots >>>> >>>> There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the >>>> heading "Ethnicity >>>> and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link >>>> _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ >>>> (http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) >>>> that shows the >>>> pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where >>>> they settled. >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>> http://www.aol.com. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about >>>> what's free from AOL at AOL.com. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

If the writer is referring to anything I said regarding German settlement... I live in Winston Salem, attended Salem College (before moving here), which was founded by the Moravians, and was b. in Chapel Hill where I had numerous ancestors in old Orange, at least one family BEFORE there was an Orange Co., and all of my great aunts of Chapel Hill as well as my mother attended Salem. So sure hope no one thought I was referring to the current Forsyth Co. as the early Orange German's who came down to OLD Orange from PA. The name of Snotherly ties in with the Stroud family, who lived in current Orange by the mid 1750's so seems that the Stroud fellow who m. the Snotherly would have to have been in the same general vicinity. Now this is funny, a friend in my father's C.H, Rotary Club was actually born at Stinking Quarter!!! Did Roy ever get teased about that!! Best, Bebe -----Original Message----- From: ncgen@mindspring.com To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >Winston Salem, old Wachovia, Alamance County NC Winston-Salem and Wachovia are not in Alamance County, and never have been. This area was part of Rowan County at the time of its settlement, then part of Surry Co. from 1770-1789, Stokes Co. from 1789-1849, and now Forsyth. However, there were other German settlers in what is now eastern Guilford County and western Alamance county, in the area called Stinking Quarter. Guilford was formed from parts of Rowan and Orange in 1770. Alamance was formed from Orange in 1849. > > >jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net wrote: >> what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? >> >>> From: bebenjohn@aol.com >>> Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT >>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >>> >>> Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from >>>Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud >>>ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip >>>Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. >>>Bebe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RLMLFM@aol.com >>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots >>> >>> There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the >>>heading "Ethnicity >>> and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link >>> _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ >>>(http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) >>> that shows the >>> pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where >>>they settled. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>http://www.aol.com. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>the body of >>> the message >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about >>>what's free from AOL at AOL.com. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/ HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Since I saw the name Brooks come up on the list, I'll throw in my Brooks need. I have Jonathan Brooks born abt. 1775 in Oglethorpe GA (he later married Nancy Monk). His father was supposed to have been James Brooks who was born 1 Jan 1725 in Yorkshire England to John Brooks Sr. and Susan Narsin. There were THREE different James Brooks who were from Orange NC to SC, but the one I am interested in is the James Brooks who married Elizabeth Smith, born Cherokee Nation East, to Nicholas Smith and Elisabeth Downing. Nicholas Smith was the son of Ambrose Joshua Smith. While James Brooks migrated to SC and married there at least twice, he never lost touch with the family of his wife. Nicholas Smith migrated to Franklin County, GA but he died (according to the family story) while on a trip to visit family in Richmond NC. Does anyone at all know anything about the above Jonathan Brooks ? Lisa M. Mills ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

daughter Betsy HOWELL is Elizabeth Howell who married Benjamin Howell and moved to Grainger County Tennessee. daughter Sally Tyrrell married Joseph Terrell 6 May 1789 ****** I may have a clue, Pam. My Wm Stroud of Orange there by mid 1750's had a dau. who m. a Howell and removed to TN. Also, am from Brooks of Chatham. and Isaac Brooks of Chatham m. Ruth Terrell (lots of spellings). She was dau. of wealthy and landed Timothy Terrell, from Caroline Co., va, whose land inc. several streams, all called Terrell's Crk., orig. on Orange but now spills over into Chatham out toward Carrboro-White Cross area, I think, and Mary Martin, dau. of Zachariah. Kellam wrote that Tim. was killed in Davidson Co. by Indians...not correct as Orange Tim. d. bef. Rev War, plus there was no Davidson Co., NC, at that time or Indians around the area. There are/were lots of Cates in Orange as maybe even more in Alamance Co., which was once part of Orange. Bebe -----Original Message----- From: pambrett@pacbell.net To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 6:36 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family and Brooks family connection Thanks to all those who answered my request regarding Edward Cate/o/or. I looked at the entries on WorldConnect, but unfortunately, there are no sources given for the information. The Thomas Keates Cates b. Aug. 2, 1758 in Maryland is probably not connected since my Edward was in Orange as early as 1755 when he is on the tax list with 1 poll. I am looking for Cate/s/or in Virginia as well. I don't know if my Thomas Brooks is related to the people in the book Brooks and Kindred Family by Ida Kellum. I found his will on microfilm in Salt Lake. It was probated in 1810 and he was mentioned as a resident of Hillsborough. It lists: wife Elizabeth (presumably daughter of Edward CAte/e/or) son Andrew (died 1812) son William, found in the 1810 United States Federal Census > North Carolina > Orange > Hillsborough daughter Hannah Brooks and her son James (I'm not sure if Hannah Brooks was married or perhaps she married a Brooks and kept the same surname.) daughter Susannah Jackson; married Thomas Jackson in Orange 22 Dec 1787 daughter Betsy HOWELL is Elizabeth Howell who married Benjamin Howell and moved to Grainger County Tennessee. daughter Sally Tyrrell married Joseph Terrell 6 May 1789 I know there is another Thomas Brooks about the same age who died in Chatham County in 1812; in Ida Kellum's book, she say this Thomas married Martha Temple. I haven't found any connection, but I plan to study land deeds and see if these Brooks families lived near each other. Pam >There are several entries on WorldConnect on Edward Cato who had a daughter >Elizabeth who married Thomas Brooks. He was born c. 1707-1710 according to >these entries. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

>Winston Salem, old Wachovia, Alamance County NC Winston-Salem and Wachovia are not in Alamance County, and never have been. This area was part of Rowan County at the time of its settlement, then part of Surry Co. from 1770-1789, Stokes Co. from 1789-1849, and now Forsyth. However, there were other German settlers in what is now eastern Guilford County and western Alamance county, in the area called Stinking Quarter. Guilford was formed from parts of Rowan and Orange in 1770. Alamance was formed from Orange in 1849. > > >jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net wrote: >> what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? >> >>> From: bebenjohn@aol.com >>> Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT >>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >>> >>> Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from >>>Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud >>>ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip >>>Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. >>>Bebe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: RLMLFM@aol.com >>> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots >>> >>> There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the >>>heading "Ethnicity >>> and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link >>> _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ >>>(http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) >>> that shows the >>> pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where >>>they settled. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** See what's free at >>>http://www.aol.com. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>the body of >>> the message >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about >>>what's free from AOL at AOL.com. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Elizabeth Harris ncgen@mindspring.com Personal genealogy webpage: http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Winston-Salem NC area genealogy: http://www.fmoran.com/ HOLDER DNA project: http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/

Orange doesn't have many towns and prob. none except Hillsborough, the co. seat, 1752, as the other town of any sz. is Chapel Hill, built for the coming of the U. of NC in mid 1790's. Lefler's book re Orange Co. does mention a stream upon which the German's settled, I think. I have the bk. I'll try to look soon. Of course Orange was huge back then so the stream may later fallen into one of the counties which were erected from Orange, Bebe -----Original Message----- From: jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? > > From: bebenjohn@aol.com > Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT > To: ncorange@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY > > Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. Bebe > > -----Original Message----- > From: RLMLFM@aol.com > To: ncorange@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots > > There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the heading "Ethnicity > and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link > _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ (http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) > that shows the > pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where they settled. > > Linda > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I am looking for information on Martha Miller, who was born 12-25-1761,Orange Co NC, d 4-25-1846 Pickens Co Al. She married Thomas Bradford who was born 3-01-1760, d 4-11-1848 Pickens Al. They are buried in the Bethany Cemetery in Pickens Al. I have seen conflicting information on the parentage of both, as well as place of birth for Thomas. This family lived in Kershaw SC for a while before moving to Alabama. I have found information in the Andreas files for a George Miller who died in 1823 in Kershaw SC. A posting at LDS says he was born 1746 in Pickens Al. I highly doubt this place of birth for him. He was married to a Rachel at the time of his death, and she may have been Rachel Payne whom he would have married in 1810. Some of his children were Col. David Miller who married Sarah Cunningham, Eli Miller who married Elinor Knox, Sarah who married John Ingram, and Grace who married John Fletcher. Some of these families moved to Pickens Al also. >From documents found in the Andreas files, it appears that Martha Miller Bradford and George Miller were probably related. Martha's and/or Thomas's names are found in several documents concerning George Miller's family. I also believe that my husband's Miller line is related to these people. My husband's 2great-grandfather was Andrew Lewis Miller b 1809 Tn, died 1865 Screven Co Ga. He had a brother William, b 1811 Tn, d 1873 Screven Ga, and a brother Drury, b 1822 Tn, died 1888 Pickens Co Al. Andrew married Priscilla Harris, daughter of George Carroll Harris and Sarah McCray of Monroe Co Tn. Drury married Julia Long who was born in Alabama, daughter of Richard and Mary Long of Pickens Al, but from Abbeville SC. Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. Carol B. Miller

Winston Salem, old Wachovia, Alamance County NC jimmyrhonda@bellsouth.net wrote: > what towns were the german area of Orange? Does anybody know? > >> From: bebenjohn@aol.com >> Date: 2007/04/24 Tue PM 02:38:02 CDT >> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PHILIP SNOTHERLY...NOT SNOTTERLY >> >> Thanks Linda. Reminds me to tell some Stroud descendants from Orange that there was no Snotterly family into which your Stroud ancestor married, thank goodness, but there was a Phillip/Philip Snotherly who seems to gave settled in the German area of Orange. Bebe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RLMLFM@aol.com >> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] PORTER, N. Ireland Scots >> >> There is a map at the NC Orange Genweb.org site under the heading "Ethnicity >> and Patterns of Settlers in North Carolina" at this link >> _http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg_ (http://ncnatural.com/maps/ethnic.jpg) >> that shows the >> pathways and trails that different ethnic groups took and where they settled. >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My oldest known Cate is "David Cates" Orange Co. NC. His son William Saunders Cates b. 1815 and d. 1891 Orange Co., NC. I have their children also. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pambrett@pacbell.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family > My ancestor Elizabeth Brooks (ca 1755- ca 1835) daughter of Thomas > Brooks (died Orange 1810) and his wife Elizabeth, stated in a deed > that her grandfather was Edward Cato or Calow; the last name is > difficult to decipher. > > I have found many Cate/s in early Orange but no Catos or Calows. I > have not found any Edward Cate/s. I have found a single reference to > an Edward Cator: 1755 Tax List of Orange Co., NC, Edward Cator 1 > white poll. > > Are there any Cates researchers out there that have knowledge of an > Edward? > > Pamela Brett in Berkeley, California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you seen the Brooks Family by James McDowell Allen? It states: James born 1725 married Margaret Thomason daughter of Simon of Chatham died 1800; listed in the 1790 census in Newberry County, South Carolina; James served in the South Carolina militia as a private under Colonel Anderson; will of Simon Thomason proved 1784 mentions daughter Margaret Brooks and grandson Simon Brooks; James and Margaret moved to Franklin County, Georgia and probably died there. This source focuses on his children in SC and Georgia. Pam

Is your Brooks related to the people in the book Brooks and Kindred Family by Ida Kellum? I am researching some names in her book, Walkers and Mcleans. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas & Sandra Stephens" <twssls@flash.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family > There are several entries on WorldConnect on Edward Cato who had a > daughter > Elizabeth who married Thomas Brooks. He was born c. 1707-1710 according > to > these entries. > > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pam > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:43 AM > To: ncorange@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family > > > My ancestor Elizabeth Brooks (ca 1755- ca 1835) daughter of Thomas > Brooks (died Orange 1810) and his wife Elizabeth, stated in a deed > that her grandfather was Edward Cato or Calow; the last name is > difficult to decipher. > > I have found many Cate/s in early Orange but no Catos or Calows. I > have not found any Edward Cate/s. I have found a single reference to > an Edward Cator: 1755 Tax List of Orange Co., NC, Edward Cator 1 > white poll. > > Are there any Cates researchers out there that have knowledge of an > Edward? > > Pamela Brett in Berkeley, California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I am a Cate(s) researcher. I will check my info later on for you. There is another gentleman researching my line that has given me much of my research notes also. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pambrett@pacbell.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: [NCORANGE] Cate/Cates/Cator Family > My ancestor Elizabeth Brooks (ca 1755- ca 1835) daughter of Thomas > Brooks (died Orange 1810) and his wife Elizabeth, stated in a deed > that her grandfather was Edward Cato or Calow; the last name is > difficult to decipher. > > I have found many Cate/s in early Orange but no Catos or Calows. I > have not found any Edward Cate/s. I have found a single reference to > an Edward Cator: 1755 Tax List of Orange Co., NC, Edward Cator 1 > white poll. > > Are there any Cates researchers out there that have knowledge of an > Edward? > > Pamela Brett in Berkeley, California > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >