_http://home.att.net/~hbridges/euphronia.html_ (http://home.att.net/~hbridges/euphronia.html) This is a very interesting article written by JAMES VANN COMER. I was incorrect when I thought that Myrtle Bridges had a list of people buried at Euphronia. This was in a book, Buffalo Creek Cronicles, Vol. I by Kathy M. Brooks. Cornelia ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi, Polly, I am so glad you wrote. Finding descendants of these Pocket People is rare, and I am excited to be able to share information with you. Myrtle Bridges used to have a listing of the people buried at Euphronia Church, but I was not able to find it either. I have written to Myrtle to see if she can tell me where to find it, or if it is still on-line. I do have a hard copy, however, and will be happy to look up anyone who was buried there. I have Campbells and MacDonalds buried there, myself. I have the information concerning Mary Sinclair,b. Feb. 19, 1816, Moore County, marrying Eli Wadsworth, b. Abt. 1816, on June 8, 1837 in Moore County. I have additional information on Eli, and a little on his family. I can hardly wait to hear what you have on Peter Sinclair. I have been looking for years for any information on him. (I hope it is not information that I put into the files in Carthage!) Thanks so much, Cornelia Dear Cornelia, I saw your article about the John Sinclair line this am while trying to find more on Pocket Township in Moore Co, NC Webpage. Do you know if Euphronia Presbyterian Church Cemetery is listed anywhere on the net? I have tried to find it but have failed. I did find evidence that your Sinclair family and my Wadsworth family intermarried and the question about Peter Sinclair is answered in information I found several years ago when visiting the library in Moore Co, NC. I don`t have time this AM to send you a copy of what I found but will as soon as I can. thanks for your help. Polly Clarke ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Cornelia, I saw your article about the John Sinclair line this am while trying to find more on Pocket Township in Moore Co, NC Webpage. Do you know if Euphronia Presbyterian Church Cemetery is listed anywhere on the net? I have tried to find it but have failed. I did find evidence that your Sinclair family and my Wadsworth family intermarried and the question about Peter Sinclair is answered in information I found several years ago when visiting the library in Moore Co, NC. I don`t have time this AM to send you a copy of what I found but will as soon as I can. thanks for your help. Polly Clarke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1600 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I am new to the list, and I would appreciate any advice, hints, etc. I am a descendant of Hiram Kimbrough (Kimbro) and Nancy Holt, who once lived on Stinking Quarter Creek in Alamance County. A cousin has recently ordered the estate papers of Elizabeth Moser Kimbro -- who was possibly the mother of Hiram and his brother George. We believe her to have been the daughter of Michael Moser, and the granddaughter of Frederick Moser. We have no idea which Kimbro she might have been married to. Someone posted on OneWorldTree that this particular Elizabeth married Jacob Scherer -- but thanks to someone's note elsewhere that Larry Noah proved that wrong, and that Jacob Scherer married Elizabeth Grieson (Greeson), we still have hopes that our Elizabeth Moser Kimbro is our ancestress. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Faye ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

This beta version of Family Tree Maker is available to download and test. Please read the page and see if you think you are interested. Good Luck Mary Ellis "Additionally this beta is now available for download by the public at http://beta.familytreemaker.com. Please feel free to share this link with friends and family, post it to mail lists or forums, etc. Everyone is welcome to download the beta." -- Mary Ellis County Coordinator Alamance NCGenWeb http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalaman/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

On this site you can select the state and you will get a listing of newspaper articles on various natural disasters there. I saw one back in 1860 for NC. Betty Pace --------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:08:23 -0500 From: "old news" <news@gendisasters.com> Subject: [Shipwreck] shipwreck articles - on line To: <shipwreck-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004501c7bcc3$3889fb80$6700a8c0@SABER> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shipwrecks - added at http://www.gendisasters.com -------- Boston, Massachusetts Schooner Benson Sinking Dec 1894 http://www.gendisasters.com/data1/ma/ships/boston-schoonerbenson-1894.htm -------- New Bedford, Massachusetts Schooner J. W. Campbell Wreck Apr 1896 http://www.gendisasters.com/data1/ma/ships/newbedford-schoonerwreck1896.h tm Surnames: Doherty, Ela, Graham, McAllister, McCormley, McGuire, Rogers, Smith, Sylvia -------- More Ship Wreck articles on line - including the Larchmond Disaster, Eastland Disaster, The W. T. Scovel Explosion, The War Eagle Fire, The Aliquippa Sinking and others... http://www.gendisaster.com/ships/ http://www.gendisasters.com Events That Touched Our Ancestors' Lives

Mary you have to go to the rootsweb site and do it yourself. No one can do it for you. --- Mary Ellis <mwellis@triad.rr.com> wrote: > Opps, did it backwards, I will fix this. > > Mary > > June Fulghum wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ncorange-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > > > > Will you please change my email address from > > > > Fulghum64@bellsouth.net > > > > to > > > > Fulghum64@yahoo.com > > > > Thanks so much > > > > Doris June Fulghum > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > Mary Ellis > County Coordinator Alamance NCGenWeb > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalaman/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

Opps, did it backwards, I will fix this. Mary June Fulghum wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ncorange-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > > Will you please change my email address from > > Fulghum64@bellsouth.net > > to > > Fulghum64@yahoo.com > > Thanks so much > > Doris June Fulghum > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Mary Ellis County Coordinator Alamance NCGenWeb http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalaman/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

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----- Original Message ----- From: <ncorange-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Will you please change my email address from Fulghum64@bellsouth.net to Fulghum64@yahoo.com Thanks so much Doris June Fulghum

Hi everyone, my name is Mary Ellis and I have taken over the NC Orange list from Larry Noah. I don't know everything I need to yet I am sure, but I am learning fast. The three things that has happened in the last few days are these: Messages with attachments - they bounce. The system doesn't handle them at all, Messages that are oversize Messages that bounce because you the members don't have the person sending the email in your email address book. If your email will not accept that email, then it bounces. That means you may be missing the very post that is most helpful to you. If I can be of any help to you, please don't hesitate to ask. Mary Ellis Mary Ellis County Coordinator Alamance NCGenWeb http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalaman/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

Hello, I'm looking for late 1700s to early 1800s information on these surnames: TAPP, DOGGETT, BYARS.. Any help on anyone with these surnames is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cecelia

You might also try- Stuthard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Reece" <kat@hallofmaat.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard > >Have you tried possible variations of the surname Southard. I looked at > >a >>few message boards and some of those are posted for Southard or >>Southerland, >>even Southworth, I think. You may be dealing with a surname that became >>corrupt for some reason. > > I grew up with the name and boy can it get messed up ... I've been called > Suddeth, Sootherd, Southerland (never did get this one) and that was with > teachers who saw the name spelled out! Its pronounced Sah-therd btw. The > only place I was ever at where they pronounced it right without me telling > them was when I was around people who knew my Grandmother Southard, LOL, > and they were hoping I had her Apple Cake recipe (which I do and its a > doozey!) > > Southard is a known variation of Southward or Southworth. > > >>My advice is to make a note of it, or >>print it off, stick it in a folder somewhere and forget it. > > I'm about at that point ... John Southard's 1820 census in Orange Co NC > shows no male children of the right age for my Green. I'm going to go > through John Southard's children in case there was a generation skip > > I'm interested in *any* Southards (or variations thereof) .... I was > hoping someone on this list might have some in their lines. > > I suppose my next step is to save up some money and get my brother's DNA > tested. > > Thank you, > > Katherine Southard-Reece > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Have you tried possible variations of the surname Southard. I looked at a >few message boards and some of those are posted for Southard or Southerland, >even Southworth, I think. You may be dealing with a surname that became >corrupt for some reason. I grew up with the name and boy can it get messed up ... I've been called Suddeth, Sootherd, Southerland (never did get this one) and that was with teachers who saw the name spelled out! Its pronounced Sah-therd btw. The only place I was ever at where they pronounced it right without me telling them was when I was around people who knew my Grandmother Southard, LOL, and they were hoping I had her Apple Cake recipe (which I do and its a doozey!) Southard is a known variation of Southward or Southworth. >My advice is to make a note of it, or >print it off, stick it in a folder somewhere and forget it. I'm about at that point ... John Southard's 1820 census in Orange Co NC shows no male children of the right age for my Green. I'm going to go through John Southard's children in case there was a generation skip I'm interested in *any* Southards (or variations thereof) .... I was hoping someone on this list might have some in their lines. I suppose my next step is to save up some money and get my brother's DNA tested. Thank you, Katherine Southard-Reece

Hi, Katherine - Have you tried possible variations of the surname Southard. I looked at a few message boards and some of those are posted for Southard or Southerland, even Southworth, I think. You may be dealing with a surname that became corrupt for some reason. Re: the tree at Ancestry .... you did what you should have done and contacted the person for documentation. They did not provide it, which probably means they never had it and this tree is something that was copied from no telling who or how long ago. My advice is to make a note of it, or print it off, stick it in a folder somewhere and forget it. I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it has been my experience in my own research and in helping others with their research that 75% of the info posted to genealogy websites is not worth the powder it would take to blow it up. You will be far better off asking questions on the list, as you have done, where we really care about getting things right and not about how many names we can get on a site. Also, posting to the Southard message board at Genealogy.com and Rootsweb.com (I think Rootsweb will also get it on the Ancestry board) might get you in touch with some folks that may be able to help you. It has been my experience that the majority of folks that post there either have documentation they are willing to share, or they are in the same boat you are and can't find much of anything. Also, don't overlook what seems like piddly sources ... such as school censuses. I don't know how long it would have taken me to find anything about my grandmother's father had it not been for a school census in Tate County MS. His name was Jonathan Henley Creel, but the census records that I couldn't find had had him as Jonsettian Henry Creal. Talk about corrupting a name! Where that came from is beyond me. Also, when I wanted to know when my Cardwell family really came to Texas (I thought late-1855 and others in the county thought 1859), it was a school census my 3XG-grandfather completed in February 1856 showing two children would be enrolled for the fall semester that proved he was there earlier than 1859. Look for land records, church membership lists, and funeral home records. Orange County NC has good Court Minutes. You might be able to review a film of the Court Minutes through the LDS library in Salt Lake City if you have an LDS site in your area. I'll keep my eyes open for your family. Much luck! Betty Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Reece" <kat@hallofmaat.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard > Well according to this tree at ancestry Gilliam was the oldest son... > http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3303291&id=I332 > > That tree hasn't got Green either ... if the person was correct and John > Southard was listed as Green's father I think they may have been > "grabbing" any John Southard who fit the time frame. Since I can't get an > image of the Bible records I don't know if it just lists a name or if > there were dates as well. I've also thought that if John Southard was > listed in the Bible that maybe there is a missing generation as John would > have been 53 when Green was born ... that wouldn't be unheard of and they > already had one child quite late. But its possible that John was Green's > grandfather .... or this all could just have been shoddy research. > Goodness knows I've run into that ! > > Its like seeing the brass ring and not being able to reach it! > > Katherine > > > > > > > > Thank goodness this list is active .... so often I join lists that are > not. > > I've been out of my genealogy for a year .. mostly due to pure > frustration over Green Southard as it was this line that I was interested > in the most. From the research I'd done before it appears that Macklen > was the oldest child. > > Thank you, > > Katherine > > > Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It > states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, > Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange > Co., > NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, > Maclin, > and James. > > I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal > grandfather. Was the first son John or James? > > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM > To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard > > > Hello ... I'm new to this list. > > I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt > 1811. > > This is the page for him and his children at my website: > http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm > > On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the > 1860 > and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family > tree > at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA > and > died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person > who > submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was > told > that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to > email > me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. > > I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama > archives > had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have > been > 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have > already > done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but > it > really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War > pension > file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say > John > was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four > miles of > the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in > 1832. > The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield > VA. > > According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name > Gilliam?) > and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, > Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? > > Thank you > > Katherine Southard-Reece > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 > 6:43 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 > 6:43 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I multi-task too much .... Green's first son was James Maddox Southard, his other sons are Joseph, John Wesley, and William Turner. I descend from William Turner Southard. http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm Thank you, Katherine I'm sorry - I didn't make myself clear. I meant what was the name of the eldest son of Green W.? -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:25 PM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Thank goodness this list is active .... so often I join lists that are not. I've been out of my genealogy for a year .. mostly due to pure frustration over Green Southard as it was this line that I was interested in the most. >From the research I'd done before it appears that Macklen was the oldest child. Thank you, Katherine Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange Co., NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, Maclin, and James. I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal grandfather. Was the first son John or James? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Hello ... I'm new to this list. I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt 1811. This is the page for him and his children at my website: http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the 1860 and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family tree at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA and died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person who submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was told that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to email me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama archives had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have been 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have already done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but it really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War pension file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say John was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four miles of the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in 1832. The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield VA. According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name Gilliam?) and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? Thank you Katherine Southard-Reece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM

I'm sorry - I didn't make myself clear. I meant what was the name of the eldest son of Green W.? -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:25 PM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Thank goodness this list is active .... so often I join lists that are not. I've been out of my genealogy for a year .. mostly due to pure frustration over Green Southard as it was this line that I was interested in the most. >From the research I'd done before it appears that Macklen was the oldest child. Thank you, Katherine Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange Co., NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, Maclin, and James. I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal grandfather. Was the first son John or James? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Hello ... I'm new to this list. I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt 1811. This is the page for him and his children at my website: http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the 1860 and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family tree at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA and died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person who submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was told that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to email me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama archives had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have been 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have already done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but it really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War pension file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say John was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four miles of the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in 1832. The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield VA. According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name Gilliam?) and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? Thank you Katherine Southard-Reece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well according to this tree at ancestry Gilliam was the oldest son... http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3303291&id=I332 That tree hasn't got Green either ... if the person was correct and John Southard was listed as Green's father I think they may have been "grabbing" any John Southard who fit the time frame. Since I can't get an image of the Bible records I don't know if it just lists a name or if there were dates as well. I've also thought that if John Southard was listed in the Bible that maybe there is a missing generation as John would have been 53 when Green was born ... that wouldn't be unheard of and they already had one child quite late. But its possible that John was Green's grandfather .... or this all could just have been shoddy research. Goodness knows I've run into that ! Its like seeing the brass ring and not being able to reach it! Katherine Thank goodness this list is active .... so often I join lists that are not. I've been out of my genealogy for a year .. mostly due to pure frustration over Green Southard as it was this line that I was interested in the most. From the research I'd done before it appears that Macklen was the oldest child. Thank you, Katherine Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange Co., NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, Maclin, and James. I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal grandfather. Was the first son John or James? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Hello ... I'm new to this list. I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt 1811. This is the page for him and his children at my website: http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the 1860 and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family tree at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA and died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person who submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was told that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to email me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama archives had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have been 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have already done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but it really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War pension file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say John was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four miles of the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in 1832. The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield VA. According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name Gilliam?) and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? Thank you Katherine Southard-Reece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM

Thank goodness this list is active .... so often I join lists that are not. I've been out of my genealogy for a year .. mostly due to pure frustration over Green Southard as it was this line that I was interested in the most. From the research I'd done before it appears that Macklen was the oldest child. Thank you, Katherine Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange Co., NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, Maclin, and James. I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal grandfather. Was the first son John or James? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard Hello ... I'm new to this list. I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt 1811. This is the page for him and his children at my website: http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the 1860 and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family tree at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA and died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person who submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was told that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to email me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama archives had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have been 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have already done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but it really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War pension file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say John was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four miles of the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in 1832. The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield VA. According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name Gilliam?) and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? Thank you Katherine Southard-Reece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM

Katherine, He's listed in the Rev War database also. Quite a bit about his service but no family info. Residence same as on the DAR index. I can send you the images if you need them. Reply off list to tanimara@townsqr.com Jackie Thomas & Sandra Stephens wrote: > Katherine, I looked at the D.A.R. index listing for John Southard. It > states he was in a private in the VA line, b. 9 Sep 1759, Belfield, > Brunswick Co., VA, residence Sussex Co., VA, died ante Aug 1840 Orange Co., > NC. Spouse Dorothy Gilliam. The only children listed are Gilliam, Maclin, > and James. > > I have found many times that the first son was named for the paternal > grandfather. Was the first son John or James? > > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Reece > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM > To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCORANGE] Searching for Southard > > > Hello ... I'm new to this list. > > I am searching for my "dead end" ancestor Green W. Southard b. abt 1811. > > This is the page for him and his children at my website: > http://www.katscelticroots.com/fam00156.htm > > On the 1850 Georgia census he says he was born in VA, however on the 1860 > and 1870 Georgia censuses he says he was born in NC. There is a family tree > at ancestry that lists a John Southard born Sept 9, 1758 in Beifield VA and > died in 1833 in Orange Co., NC as Green's father. I emailed the person who > submitted the information and asked him what his evidence was and was told > that it was family Bible records, unfortunately I could not get him to email > me a copy of the record and further emails have bounced. > > I have pulled John Southard's will (which thankfully the Alabama archives > had) and Green is not mentioned among his children, Green would have been > 16 at the time the will was written and I suppose that he could have already > done something that could have caused him to be cut out of the will but it > really seems unlikely to me. I also have John Southard's Rev War pension > file, but there is no family information in it. It does however say John > was living in "Orange County, North Carolina, within three or four miles of > the Shallow Ford on the Haw River" when his pension was approved in 1832. > The pension also lists his birthplace as Belfield VA and not Beifield VA. > > According to the will John's wife was named Dorothy (maiden name Gilliam?) > and his children were Macklen, Polley, Gilliam, Tempey, Charles, James, > Carter, and John. Is anyone familiar with this family? > > Thank you > > Katherine Southard-Reece > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >