Dear Linda and group; I didn't intend a personal attack any more than I'm sure Linda meant any. I am also a professional genealogist--and historian, and have contributed to books and publications as others probably have done. I've been happily noting that more people are doing family history who have also obtained degrees in history and anthropology or sociology like I have and some of the professionals in northern California. It was a real tiny group about 30 years ago. I'm happy to have more company in it. There was a qualifier in what I sent, IF it was noted. IF a man knew he was about to die, and IF he could write he usually wrote a will. How many men anticipated their own deaths if they were in their 40's, 50's and even early 60's from say heart attack, stroke, a fall off a horse, or any other of the more common sudden ends of life possible. Even cholera could be a one-day death event. Now back to my Andrew Collins. It's clear I'll have to look for administration records for his estate since a will has not turned up. Also I'll have to look for some deeds of property, probably just after her marriage, for Isabella Hastings Collins from her father Henry C. Hastings Sr. I'll probably have to check with the state archives about what's available for these types of records. If anyone is familiar with finding records at the archives and what they charge for search and copies or if I have to employ a non-archives researcher to first find the records then make copies on account of budget cuts in deficit tax years, please let me know. Yes, I'm sure I can send a query to the archives itself, but practical experience from someone else is always useful. Besides, depending upon how understaffed and otherwise swamped the archives itself is, I could be waiting awhile just for an informational response. I've been through that a few times recently, also. It would sure be nice if local to state level politicians would find something else to cut other than roads, parks, libraries, police and fire, and records departments. Is there anything that people do today in any kind of legal transaction that doesn't involve a trip to a records department, let alone putting together a good well-documented family history??? Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry M. Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:46 PM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins Hey ladies, back off. I just went through this on another list. jerrym ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins > > Dear Cecilia: > > I am sorry?that you felt the need to attack me personally when I was > only > offering my help?with your genealogical research and a few alternative > suggestions that might be worth investigating. > > I disagree with?what you said, "Most males of the day if they knew > they > were about to die and could write, wrote a will, regardless of whether the > wife was alive or not.? I have MANY > will records where the wife was still alive.", in fact, only a small > percentage of men left a will no matter whether they were old or young. > > By the way, I am very thorough in all areas of my genealogy research > and > have been asked by a professional genealogist to submit some of my work to > be published in a genealogical journal. > > > Good luck with you research. > > Regards, > > Linda > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Celia Becker <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> > To: ncorange@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 1:51 am > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins > > > > > By 1820, the sons were all out of the house--along with their half > brothers. > I doubt if Isabella would have wanted her husband's misdeeds around. I > suspect from various records in which Bradley Collins was regularly > witnessing marriages and other events for his second wife's family, that > Bradley and his half brothers were living with the Rays in 1820 but by > 1825 > they were all in Kentucky. > > Most males of the day if they knew they were about to die and could > write, wrote a will, regardless of whether the wife was alive or not. > I have MANY will records where the wife was still alive. > > Prior to recent years, the estate did NOT automatically pass to the > wife when a man died. The law usually required an intestate estate to > be divided between wife and children with most of the real estate and > personal property > sold and the wife retaining a life time "use" of the house--if she got > that > much. Prior to the Revolution, without a will it all went to the oldest > son. With a will, the oldest son still got the largest share, unless his > father made a substantial prior to death settlement, such as at marriage. > In fact as recently as 30 years ago, a woman could not get credit in her > own > name, and only about 70-80 years ago, if a woman worked her pay was handed > to her husband, or her oldest son, or other close male relative. Women > were > not allowed to own property in their own name if she was married or had a > father still living or a son. > > Heck we didn't even get the vote until the end of World War I!--in the > 20th > century! > > I take it you're not real familiar with the general social and legal > history > of the U.S.. Do you get the history channel or public television where > you > are? I realize there are still areas of the U.S. that get neither and > plenty of people even in areas that do get these channels through cable > television or satellite television that for one reason or another don't > use > either and thus don't get them. It can be expensive for the one and God > help you if you live in a canyon, deep valley or woods for the other. I > live in a city, but have very tall eucalyptus trees in the direction I'd > need to tilt a dish so I ended up with cable if I wanted something other > than the usual pretty stupid "major network" television. I still spend > more > time reading, either books or stuff on-line rather than watching even > educational television--when I have significant free time. > > Anyhow,my late mother, Wilma Maie Wallace-Fabos, organized and led the > first > strike in the nation for "comparable worth" in the city of San Jose > against > the City of San Jose in July, 1981. Prior to 1976, discrimination of all > kinds was legal against women and you couldn't get credit in your own > name. > I still remember the first time I had my own checking account (savings you > could have) and my own credit card. Her mother was one of of the first > certified building maintenance "engineers" and then could use her > certificate or hold that kind of job because (a) she "deceived" the > college > by mail program by using initials when she studied along side her father > and > then secretly took the test under her name with initials. Her parents > both > threatened to disown her if she ever tried to use the certificate. Her > father eventually did for other reasons, mostly brought on by Jessie's > other > behaviors, which alienated nearly everyone in her life at the time. When > she first did work, the checks were made out by her employer to her > husband. > Even after her divorce, for a time they were made out to her oldest son, > and > then her second husband--and this was in Los Angeles in the 1930's! > > Sincerely, > > Cecilia > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of rlmlfm@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:35 PM > To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins > > > > Cecilia, > > It seems unlikely?that your ancestor?Andrew Collins had a will since > his wife Isabella Collins was still living in Orange County, NC after > Andrew's death about 1820 as you stated.? If he did have a will, I > suspect that it would be found?in Orange County.? You might try seeing > if you can find his estate records,?the administrator's bond (who the > administrator of his estate was), the inventory of his estate, and the > sale and/or settlement of his estate documents.? > > Isabella Collins is listed on the 1820 Orange County census with only > herself, age 45 & up, and two white females, one age 10-16 years, and > one age 16-26 years.? There were no males of any race and there were > no slaves listed as living with Isabella. > > Linda > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in > this incoming message. 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Dear Cecilia: I am sorry?that you felt the need to attack me personally when I was only offering my help?with your genealogical research and a few alternative suggestions that might be worth investigating. I disagree with?what you said, "Most males of the day if they knew they were about to die and could write, wrote a will, regardless of whether the wife was alive or not.? I have MANY will records where the wife was still alive.", in fact, only a small percentage of men left a will no matter whether they were old or young. By the way, I am very thorough in all areas of my genealogy research and have been asked by a professional genealogist to submit some of my work to be published in a genealogical journal. Good luck with you research. Regards, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Celia Becker <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 1:51 am Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins By 1820, the sons were all out of the house--along with their half brothers. I doubt if Isabella would have wanted her husband's misdeeds around. I suspect from various records in which Bradley Collins was regularly witnessing marriages and other events for his second wife's family, that Bradley and his half brothers were living with the Rays in 1820 but by 1825 they were all in Kentucky. Most males of the day if they knew they were about to die and could write, wrote a will, regardless of whether the wife was alive or not. I have MANY will records where the wife was still alive. Prior to recent years, the estate did NOT automatically pass to the wife when a man died. The law usually required an intestate estate to be divided between wife and children with most of the real estate and personal property sold and the wife retaining a life time "use" of the house--if she got that much. Prior to the Revolution, without a will it all went to the oldest son. With a will, the oldest son still got the largest share, unless his father made a substantial prior to death settlement, such as at marriage. In fact as recently as 30 years ago, a woman could not get credit in her own name, and only about 70-80 years ago, if a woman worked her pay was handed to her husband, or her oldest son, or other close male relative. Women were not allowed to own property in their own name if she was married or had a father still living or a son. Heck we didn't even get the vote until the end of World War I!--in the 20th century! I take it you're not real familiar with the general social and legal history of the U.S.. Do you get the history channel or public television where you are? I realize there are still areas of the U.S. that get neither and plenty of people even in areas that do get these channels through cable television or satellite television that for one reason or another don't use either and thus don't get them. It can be expensive for the one and God help you if you live in a canyon, deep valley or woods for the other. I live in a city, but have very tall eucalyptus trees in the direction I'd need to tilt a dish so I ended up with cable if I wanted something other than the usual pretty stupid "major network" television. I still spend more time reading, either books or stuff on-line rather than watching even educational television--when I have significant free time. Anyhow,my late mother, Wilma Maie Wallace-Fabos, organized and led the first strike in the nation for "comparable worth" in the city of San Jose against the City of San Jose in July, 1981. Prior to 1976, discrimination of all kinds was legal against women and you couldn't get credit in your own name. I still remember the first time I had my own checking account (savings you could have) and my own credit card. Her mother was one of of the first certified building maintenance "engineers" and then could use her certificate or hold that kind of job because (a) she "deceived" the college by mail program by using initials when she studied along side her father and then secretly took the test under her name with initials. Her parents both threatened to disown her if she ever tried to use the certificate. Her father eventually did for other reasons, mostly brought on by Jessie's other behaviors, which alienated nearly everyone in her life at the time. When she first did work, the checks were made out by her employer to her husband. Even after her divorce, for a time they were made out to her oldest son, and then her second husband--and this was in Los Angeles in the 1930's! Sincerely, Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rlmlfm@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:35 PM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins Cecilia, It seems unlikely?that your ancestor?Andrew Collins had a will since his wife Isabella Collins was still living in Orange County, NC after Andrew's death about 1820 as you stated.? If he did have a will, I suspect that it would be found?in Orange County.? You might try seeing if you can find his estate records,?the administrator's bond (who the administrator of his estate was), the inventory of his estate, and the sale and/or settlement of his estate documents.? Isabella Collins is listed on the 1820 Orange County census with only herself, age 45 & up, and two white females, one age 10-16 years, and one age 16-26 years.? There were no males of any race and there were no slaves listed as living with Isabella. 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By 1820, the sons were all out of the house--along with their half brothers. I doubt if Isabella would have wanted her husband's misdeeds around. I suspect from various records in which Bradley Collins was regularly witnessing marriages and other events for his second wife's family, that Bradley and his half brothers were living with the Rays in 1820 but by 1825 they were all in Kentucky. Most males of the day if they knew they were about to die and could write, wrote a will, regardless of whether the wife was alive or not. I have MANY will records where the wife was still alive. Prior to recent years, the estate did NOT automatically pass to the wife when a man died. The law usually required an intestate estate to be divided between wife and children with most of the real estate and personal property sold and the wife retaining a life time "use" of the house--if she got that much. Prior to the Revolution, without a will it all went to the oldest son. With a will, the oldest son still got the largest share, unless his father made a substantial prior to death settlement, such as at marriage. In fact as recently as 30 years ago, a woman could not get credit in her own name, and only about 70-80 years ago, if a woman worked her pay was handed to her husband, or her oldest son, or other close male relative. Women were not allowed to own property in their own name if she was married or had a father still living or a son. Heck we didn't even get the vote until the end of World War I!--in the 20th century! I take it you're not real familiar with the general social and legal history of the U.S.. Do you get the history channel or public television where you are? I realize there are still areas of the U.S. that get neither and plenty of people even in areas that do get these channels through cable television or satellite television that for one reason or another don't use either and thus don't get them. It can be expensive for the one and God help you if you live in a canyon, deep valley or woods for the other. I live in a city, but have very tall eucalyptus trees in the direction I'd need to tilt a dish so I ended up with cable if I wanted something other than the usual pretty stupid "major network" television. I still spend more time reading, either books or stuff on-line rather than watching even educational television--when I have significant free time. Anyhow,my late mother, Wilma Maie Wallace-Fabos, organized and led the first strike in the nation for "comparable worth" in the city of San Jose against the City of San Jose in July, 1981. Prior to 1976, discrimination of all kinds was legal against women and you couldn't get credit in your own name. I still remember the first time I had my own checking account (savings you could have) and my own credit card. Her mother was one of of the first certified building maintenance "engineers" and then could use her certificate or hold that kind of job because (a) she "deceived" the college by mail program by using initials when she studied along side her father and then secretly took the test under her name with initials. Her parents both threatened to disown her if she ever tried to use the certificate. Her father eventually did for other reasons, mostly brought on by Jessie's other behaviors, which alienated nearly everyone in her life at the time. When she first did work, the checks were made out by her employer to her husband. Even after her divorce, for a time they were made out to her oldest son, and then her second husband--and this was in Los Angeles in the 1930's! Sincerely, Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rlmlfm@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:35 PM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Andrew Collins Cecilia, It seems unlikely?that your ancestor?Andrew Collins had a will since his wife Isabella Collins was still living in Orange County, NC after Andrew's death about 1820 as you stated.? If he did have a will, I suspect that it would be found?in Orange County.? You might try seeing if you can find his estate records,?the administrator's bond (who the administrator of his estate was), the inventory of his estate, and the sale and/or settlement of his estate documents.? Isabella Collins is listed on the 1820 Orange County census with only herself, age 45 & up, and two white females, one age 10-16 years, and one age 16-26 years.? There were no males of any race and there were no slaves listed as living with Isabella. 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I live in Rockingham county, NC. There is/was a business man who lived here by the name of "MOSE" Collins. I have been told that his name is Moses but called by that nickname. Rockingham County is the next county to the East of Stokes county. I will ask my husband about Mr. Collins--he just may know something about his ancestors. You may contact me directly at: kalicokitt@yahoo.com Dee Shelton --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Cecilia, It seems unlikely?that your ancestor?Andrew Collins had a will since his wife Isabella Collins was still living in Orange County, NC after Andrew's death about 1820 as you stated.? If he did have a will, I suspect that it would be found?in Orange County.? You might try seeing if you can find his estate records,?the administrator's bond (who the administrator of his estate was), the inventory of his estate, and the sale and/or settlement of his estate documents.? Isabella Collins is listed on the 1820 Orange County census with only herself, age 45 & up, and two white females, one age 10-16 years, and one age 16-26 years.? There were no males of any race and there were no slaves listed as living with Isabella. Linda ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Here are two wills listed in North Carolina for Andrew Collins.? I don't know if either of these wills are posted anywhere or not, if they are posted on the Internet, they most likely would be found?at a county website where they were living at the time of their death.? These two wills were found at the North Carolina State Archives and searching?the MARS Catalog section. Title: Collins, Andrew Years: 1777 Call Number: WB-C/186(AR ) MARS Id: 277.75.1.190 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: WB-C/186 (WB = Will Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh.) Location where will was probated: Perquimans County (N. C.) Personal Names: Collins, Andrew ******************************************************************* Title: Collins, Andrew Years: 1791 Call Number: RB-2/265(AR ) MARS Id: 299.75.3.396 (Item) Scope / Contents: Recorded Copy: RB-2/265 (RB = Record Book) Original: AR (Original will is in the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh.) Location where will was probated: Wake County (N. C.) Personal Names: Collins, Andrew Linda -----Original Message----- From: Celia Becker <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] COLLINS He was also in Johnston County, so a will might be there instead of Wake County. He bought land in Johnston County in 1784 according to some on-line land records. Cecilia (the lady tracing the Andrew Collins of Orange County...) -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ALEXLONGRN@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:43 AM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] COLLINS I am interested in the aforementioned will of Andrew Collins, c.1791 of Wake County, NC. When exactly did Andrew die and who were his spouse & children. Is this will online? I am looking for info on an Andrew Collins of Wake, married to Martha with sons Gideon (b.1796, lived in Panther Branch, modern-day Garner, NC)) and Matthew, and daughter Charlotte. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

For any of you who need a census lookup or Rev War Pension lookup I can do it for you. Please send full name, date, and alternate spellings of both names along with the county you suspect they were in. Robin, Your most welcome. Jackie >

Wow... thanks so much for all this fantastic information. I am going to print it out and try to compare it to see if I can disect which Gibson's go with what families. I know the county lines change somewhat and it gets confusing sometimes but this helps me alot, thanks again kindly for your help. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara_2000@yahoo.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [NCORANGE] These are all Gibson's in NC in 1790 > 1790 Census for Orange Co NC - this is the only Gibson listed in Orange > Co. > > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace > State County Location Year > GIBSON JAMES NC ORANGE > CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 > > These are all Gibson's in NC in 1790 > > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race > Birthplace State County Location Year > GIBSON ABRAHAM NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON AMEY NC RICHMOND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON ANDREW NC GUILFORD > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON ANDW NC WILKES MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON ARCHE NC WILKES > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON ARCHELUS NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON ARCHIBALD NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON CHARLES NC WAYNE > NEWBERN DIST 1790 > GIBSON DAVD NC LINCOLN > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON DAVID NC BURKE MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON DAVID NC RANDOLPH > HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 > GIBSON ELIZABETH NC PASQUOTANK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON ELIZABETH NC PASQUOTANK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON ELIZABETH NC ROCKINGHAM > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON EZEKL NC WILKES > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON GARROTT NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON GEORGE NC RANDOLPH > HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 > GIBSON GEORGE NC ROWAN > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON GILBERT NC RANDOLPH > HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 > GIBSON HARMON NC BURKE > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON HENRY NC CURRITUCK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON ISAAC NC JONES > NEWBERN DIST 1790 > GIBSON ISOM NC BURKE MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON JACOB NC GUILFORD > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC CASWELL > CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC MONTGOMERY > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC ORANGE > CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC RICHMOND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC ROWAN > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JAMES NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JEREMIAH NC CURRITUCK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON JNO NC RUTHERFORD > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOEL NC WILKES MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC CASWELL > CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC CURRITUCK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC MECKLENBURG > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC ROCKINGHAM > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOHN NC TYRRELL > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON JORDAN NC WILKES > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON JOS NC BURKE MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON MAJOR NC BURKE MORGAN > DIST 1790 > GIBSON MARY NC CASWELL > CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 > GIBSON NELSON NC RICHMOND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON RICHARD NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON SAMUEL NC TYRRELL > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON STEPHEN NC BURKE > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS NC CURRITUCK > EDENTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS NC RANDOLPH > HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS JR NC RICHMOND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON THOMAS SR NC RICHMOND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON VALENTINE NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILBURN NC BURKE > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC BURKE > MORGAN DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC CUMBERLAND > FAYETTE DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC MONTGOMERY > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC ONSLOW > WILMINGTON DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC ROWAN > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > GIBSON WILLIAM NC STOKES > SALISBURY DIST 1790 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Excellent... and thanks so very much for your help ! Some of these have to be relatives, Joel Gibson below settled in my area of Ky as well. Thanks again for your generosity. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara_2000@yahoo.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Robin, > > This is a list of all the Gibsons that enrolled for Rev War Pensions and > served from NC. No Gibson connection for me. Just trying to help > > Surname Given Name State Service > GIBSON CHARLES NC > GIBSON CHARLES NC > GIBSON JACOB NC > GIBSON JOEL NC > GIBSON JOHN NC, VA > GIBSON JOHN NC > GIBSON JOSEPH NC > GIBSON THOMAS NC > GIBSON WILBOURE NC > GIBSON WILLIAM NC > GIBSON WILLIAM NC > > Robin wrote: >> Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George >> Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I >> wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other >> Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my >> gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were >> mixed >> or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding >> the >> Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice >> week. >> Robin Holt in Kentucky >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> >> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's >> toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >> >> >> >>> Celia, >>> >>> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >>> Riley, >>> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >>> Gray, >>> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >>> >>> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James >>> and >>> John. December 4, 1762. >>> >>> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >>> Lived >>> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and >>> sister, >>> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >>> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in >>> Open >>> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >>> >>> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >>> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Betty >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM >>> Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to >>> early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear group; >>>> >>>> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >>>> one >>>> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it >>>> back, >>>> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >>>> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >>>> Hastings >>>> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange >>>> County, >>>> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >>>> He >>>> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >>>> Jr. >>>> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to >>>> Indiana, >>>> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white >>>> brother >>>> of >>>> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >>>> >>>> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >>>> they >>>> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >>>> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed >>>> as >>>> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >>>> them >>>> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >>>> white. >>>> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first >>>> to >>>> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >>>> 1840 >>>> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as >>>> mulatto, >>>> and >>>> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >>>> son >>>> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >>>> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >>>> >>>> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >>>> James, >>>> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >>>> naming >>>> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >>>> them >>>> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >>>> third >>>> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >>>> >>>> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >>>> and >>>> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was >>>> the >>>> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >>>> sons >>>> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >>>> >>>> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had >>>> a >>>> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >>>> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of >>>> Henry >>>> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain >>>> some >>>> of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >>>> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >>>> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >>>> >>>> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >>>> surname, >>>> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married >>>> to >>>> a >>>> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >>>> Collins. >>>> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, >>>> James >>>> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name >>>> order >>>> of >>>> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >>>> 2nd, >>>> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown >>>> name, >>>> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or >>>> John >>>> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >>>> >>>> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John >>>> and >>>> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >>>> >>>> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >>>> found >>>> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >>>> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the >>>> parents >>>> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >>>> >>>> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >>>> who >>>> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >>>> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >>>> later >>>> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that >>>> unknown >>>> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >>>> at >>>> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 >>>> or >>>> 4 >>>> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a >>>> child >>>> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >>>> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >>>> 22, >>>> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >>>> Where >>>> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >>>> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >>>> >>>> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >>>> the >>>> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two >>>> years >>>> in >>>> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. >>>> She >>>> had >>>> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >>>> then >>>> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >>>> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the >>>> 1820's, >>>> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >>>> in >>>> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 >>>> surviving >>>> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >>>> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >>>> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine >>>> Barney >>>> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 >>>> by >>>> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >>>> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >>>> >>>> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Mrs. Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker, San Jose, CA >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I almost forgot, your Andrew Collins was also a Revolutionary War vet and had a land award for it. Once I figured out this was not my Andrew, I failed to make note of where the land award was. Some North Carolina award were in the southern part of Kentucky and many of those with grants in that area moved into Tennessee through Nashville--they went in large parties with Robertson and Davidson to get there since the natives at that time were pretty hostile to whites moving into either area. The Cherokee were generally considered, over the long run, easier to deal with than the Shawnee but those whose ancestors were victims of Dragging Canoe and a few others would argue it was the luck of which particular band a family happened to encounter at a particular time. Most North Carolina awards were in Tennessee, though. Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ALEXLONGRN@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:43 AM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] COLLINS I am interested in the aforementioned will of Andrew Collins, c.1791 of Wake County, NC. When exactly did Andrew die and who were his spouse & children. Is this will online? I am looking for info on an Andrew Collins of Wake, married to Martha with sons Gideon (b.1796, lived in Panther Branch, modern-day Garner, NC)) and Matthew, and daughter Charlotte. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM

He was also in Johnston County, so a will might be there instead of Wake County. He bought land in Johnston County in 1784 according to some on-line land records. Cecilia (the lady tracing the Andrew Collins of Orange County...) -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ALEXLONGRN@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:43 AM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] COLLINS I am interested in the aforementioned will of Andrew Collins, c.1791 of Wake County, NC. When exactly did Andrew die and who were his spouse & children. Is this will online? I am looking for info on an Andrew Collins of Wake, married to Martha with sons Gideon (b.1796, lived in Panther Branch, modern-day Garner, NC)) and Matthew, and daughter Charlotte. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM

I've found a number of wills in which grandchildren with still living parents were mentioned--especially if they had names of the testator or his/her spouse, or names of their parents. Since I have no real idea (only guesses based on possible naming traditions) of what Isabella named her daughters, or the name of the third son, I was hoping Andrew and Isabella had used some family names that might get such mention in her parents' will. It was an just an idea based on other wills I'd seen in many other families. Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rlmlfm@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:56 AM To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to early 1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? Sue's statement about grandchildren not being mentioned in a will unless the parent who would have been the heir is deceased is correct.? Henry Hastings gave his daughter Margaret Adams one dollar to her and her heirs forever and he gave the same to his daughter Isbell (spelling in?transcribed will)?Collins, his daughter Elizabeth Watson, his daughter Ester Thompson, and his son-in-law Thomas Crabtree.? He gave more to his sons James, Joseph, John and William and to his daughter Mary Hastings.? Henry gave his daughter Mary Hastings a note for fifty dollars payable 1 Jan. 1814?to be given to his grandson John Young.??John Young was the only grandchild mentioned in Henry's will, apparently Henry had a daughter who was married to a Young, the daughter was deceased by the time that Henry wrote his will on 10 May 1812,?and?John was their son.? There were no slaves mentioned in his will. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Tony & Sue Skay Abruscato <sueskay@sbcglobal.net> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to early 1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? At 11:03 AM 2/19/2008, you wrote: >It's interesting that Henry Hastings didn't mention any of his six >grandchildren by Andrew and Isabella (Hastings) Collins Normally grandchildren would not be mentioned unless the parent who was the an heir to the estate was deceased. At that time, the children would inherit their parents share of the estate. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM

Dear Barbara; I was pretty sure that "Andrew" and "Bradley" as names came from other families. Bradley is a surname. There were Bradleys in Orange County, so it seems likely that my Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley and that's why he named his oldest son as he did. I suspect Andrew himself was a younger son of either James or John Collins who acquired land in Orange County in 1755. He may have gotten along with his father about as well as most of the Collins sons did (actually didn't)in my Collins line, for several generations, which may be why he didn't name his oldest son after his father. Bradley Collins and his son Andrew Collins didn't often get along well and the name Bradley ended up a middle name for one of Andrew's (son of Bradley) sons as a result. Usually the oldest son--or daughter--had the most conflicts with the Collins parent but not always. In general, pride, strong will and occasional downright pig-headedness seem to be regular character traits of this family. ;-) Sincerely, Cecilia -----Original Message----- From: ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ncorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara McCoy Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:07 PM To: NCORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCORANGE] COLLINS Dear Celia, I have researched Collins in NC and VA also, but a different line. However, others have sent me info that includes wills: Andrew Collins 1777 Perquimans Co., NC Andrew Collins 1791 Wake Co., NC SC Royal land grants and head rights: Collins, Andrew 100 acres, Craven Co., 23 Jan 1773 Andrew 200 acres and 200 acres on 3 Runs Creek, 16 Sep 1774 Andrew 400 acres on Pee Dee River, 17 Feb 1736 Miscellany of Collins in Early SC: Before the Revolution: South Carolina Tories. All are from the York, Union, Spartenburg Counties area. These men may have left SC after the Rev. Most of the Tories moved west. Some remained in SC. **** Bradley Collings (!!!) Note: The other names are Isaac Collans, James Collins, Joseph Collins, Moses Collins and Moses Collins II I hope this provides some leads for you. I do recommend trying SC and VA for more info. The names Andrew and Bradley never appear in the Collins I research, so you can be sure they picked up those "family" names from ancestors and relatives. You may enjoy going to http//www.tamandmichael.com/COLHIST.1.htm for more into on Collins Origins, although you're not close to this now.Still it's interesting. Done by Michael Collins Dunn. Includes The Name Collins, The Pursuit of the Earliest Collinses, etc. There may be more on your names there that I wouldn't remember. Let me know if you have any success. Good luck. Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 10:55 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM

I am interested in the aforementioned will of Andrew Collins, c.1791 of Wake County, NC. When exactly did Andrew die and who were his spouse & children. Is this will online? I am looking for info on an Andrew Collins of Wake, married to Martha with sons Gideon (b.1796, lived in Panther Branch, modern-day Garner, NC)) and Matthew, and daughter Charlotte.

1790 Census for Orange Co NC - this is the only Gibson listed in Orange Co. Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year GIBSON JAMES NC ORANGE CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 These are all Gibson's in NC in 1790 Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year GIBSON ABRAHAM NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON AMEY NC RICHMOND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON ANDREW NC GUILFORD SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON ANDW NC WILKES MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON ARCHE NC WILKES MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON ARCHELUS NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON ARCHIBALD NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON CHARLES NC WAYNE NEWBERN DIST 1790 GIBSON DAVD NC LINCOLN MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON DAVID NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON DAVID NC RANDOLPH HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 GIBSON ELIZABETH NC PASQUOTANK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON ELIZABETH NC PASQUOTANK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON ELIZABETH NC ROCKINGHAM SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON EZEKL NC WILKES MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON GARROTT NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON GEORGE NC RANDOLPH HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 GIBSON GEORGE NC ROWAN SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON GILBERT NC RANDOLPH HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 GIBSON HARMON NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON HENRY NC CURRITUCK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON ISAAC NC JONES NEWBERN DIST 1790 GIBSON ISOM NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON JACOB NC GUILFORD SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC CASWELL CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC MONTGOMERY SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC ORANGE CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC RICHMOND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC ROWAN SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JAMES NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JEREMIAH NC CURRITUCK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON JNO NC RUTHERFORD MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON JOEL NC WILKES MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC CASWELL CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC CURRITUCK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC MECKLENBURG SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC ROCKINGHAM SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON JOHN NC TYRRELL EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON JORDAN NC WILKES MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON JOS NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON MAJOR NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON MARY NC CASWELL CASWELL DIST TAX L 1790 GIBSON NELSON NC RICHMOND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON RICHARD NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON SAMUEL NC TYRRELL EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON STEPHEN NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS NC CURRITUCK EDENTON DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS NC RANDOLPH HILLSBOROUGH DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS JR NC RICHMOND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON THOMAS SR NC RICHMOND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON VALENTINE NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON WILBURN NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC BURKE MORGAN DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC CUMBERLAND FAYETTE DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC MONTGOMERY SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC ONSLOW WILMINGTON DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC ROWAN SALISBURY DIST 1790 GIBSON WILLIAM NC STOKES SALISBURY DIST 1790

Robin, This is a list of all the Gibsons that enrolled for Rev War Pensions and served from NC. No Gibson connection for me. Just trying to help Surname Given Name State Service GIBSON CHARLES NC GIBSON CHARLES NC GIBSON JACOB NC GIBSON JOEL NC GIBSON JOHN NC, VA GIBSON JOHN NC GIBSON JOSEPH NC GIBSON THOMAS NC GIBSON WILBOURE NC GIBSON WILLIAM NC GIBSON WILLIAM NC Robin wrote: > Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George > Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I > wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other > Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my > gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed > or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding the > Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. > Robin Holt in Kentucky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's > toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > > >> Celia, >> >> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >> Riley, >> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >> Gray, >> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and >> John. December 4, 1762. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >> Lived >> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and sister, >> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in Open >> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >> >> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Betty >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM >> Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to >> early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? >> >> >> >>> Dear group; >>> >>> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >>> one >>> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it back, >>> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >>> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >>> Hastings >>> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange County, >>> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >>> He >>> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >>> Jr. >>> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to Indiana, >>> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white brother >>> of >>> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >>> >>> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >>> they >>> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >>> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed as >>> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >>> them >>> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >>> white. >>> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first to >>> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >>> 1840 >>> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as mulatto, >>> and >>> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >>> son >>> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >>> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >>> >>> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >>> James, >>> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >>> naming >>> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >>> them >>> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >>> third >>> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >>> >>> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >>> and >>> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was the >>> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >>> sons >>> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >>> >>> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had a >>> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >>> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of Henry >>> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain some >>> of >>> this. >>> >>> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >>> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >>> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >>> >>> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >>> surname, >>> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married to >>> a >>> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >>> Collins. >>> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, James >>> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name order >>> of >>> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >>> 2nd, >>> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown name, >>> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or John >>> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >>> >>> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John and >>> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >>> >>> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >>> found >>> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >>> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the parents >>> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >>> >>> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >>> who >>> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >>> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >>> later >>> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that unknown >>> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >>> at >>> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 or >>> 4 >>> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a child >>> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >>> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >>> 22, >>> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >>> Where >>> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >>> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >>> >>> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >>> the >>> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two years >>> in >>> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. She >>> had >>> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >>> then >>> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >>> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the 1820's, >>> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >>> in >>> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 surviving >>> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >>> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >>> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine Barney >>> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 by >>> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >>> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >>> >>> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Mrs. Cecilia L. 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George GIBSON will written in Orange County NC 5 November 1775. Left his estate to his sons and daughters to be shared equally. Wife, Mary Gibson to maintain control until her death or remarriage. Sherwood Parrish and Thomas Gibson Sr named Executors. Witnesses were Sherwood Parrish, Joel (x) Gibson, Lenerisey (x) Collins. Will produced in open court and recorded May term of 1776, F. Nash, Clerk. (Will book A, pages 194-195) There is a really long will in Will Book A, Page 222, concerning Willliam Johnston, deceased. The index states a Gibson appears on pages 74 and 75, but I can only see the name once, on page 74. It reads ".........................and in such case I request the favour of my friend James Gibson of Kelton in the sire of Gallaway in Scotland aforesaid, late of Suffolk in the Colony of Virginia Esquire, to receive from my Executors, the said legacies and bequeth .............." This will is quite involved. It does not appear that Johnston left James Gibson anything, just wanted him to make sure his mother got what was coming to her ..? His mother was living at the time he wrote the will, and he had one daughter who was not yet 21, and one slave named "Big Esther", who was to be freed upon his death. Executors were James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchen, and Richard Bennehan. Will signed June 8, 1780? (it is written eighth day of June in the year of our Lord Christ one thousand and eighty, but these are all 1700s wills.) No witnesses listed and no information as to proving the will. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <holt@vci.net> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700'stoearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George > Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I > wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other > Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my > gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed > or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding > the > Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. > Robin Holt in Kentucky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> > To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's > toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > >> Celia, >> >> Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John >> Riley, >> Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John >> Gray, >> 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and >> John. December 4, 1762. >> >> Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. >> Lived >> in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and >> sister, >> Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were >> Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in >> Open >> Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. >> >> No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that >> being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Betty

Hi there and I just happened to glance at the info below and saw George Gibson ! Our Gibson's were also of some type of "mixed" ancestry and I wanted to check to see if you saw anything else on George or the other Gibson's in the country pre -1800. One of the elder George Gibson's is my gggg-grandfather and since alot of the Gibson's & Collins lines were mixed or Melungeon I would really be interested in anything you see regarding the Gibsons back before 1800 or so.. Thank you for sharing & have a nice week. Robin Holt in Kentucky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> To: <ncorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's toearly1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > Celia, > > Laura Willis' "Orange County NC Wills Vol. One, 1752-1775" shows John > Riley, > Joseph WEEKS, and Henry HASTINGS as Testimentaries to the will of John > Gray, > 19 Feb. 1775, Will Book A, Page 182. > > Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of James COLLINS. Two sons, James and > John. December 4, 1762. > > Ibid. Will Book A, Page 27, Will of John COLLINS. November 4, 1762. > Lived > in St. Matthews Parish. Left his estate to brother, Willliam, and sister, > Catherine. Brother-in-law Enos Ellimore named executor. Witnesses were > Lawrence Thompson, Thomas Thompson and Enos Ellimore. Will proved in Open > Court and recorded the second Tuesday in November 1762. > > No Hastings mentioned in Vol. Two, 1775-1787, and only one Collins, that > being Lenerisey (x) Collins, witness on the will of George Gibson. > > Hope this helps. > > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Becker" <celia.lfsbecker@sbcglobal.net> > To: <NCORANGE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:51 PM > Subject: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to > early1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? > > >> Dear group; >> >> I'm going bonkers trying to finish my late mother's family ancestry and >> one >> of the more frustrating lines is her Collins line. I've traced it back, >> with great difficulty to Bradley Collins b. 1786/7 Orange County, North >> Carolina to Andrew Collins b. 1757-60, North Carolina and Isabella >> Hastings >> b. l762/3 Orange County, North Carolina married in 1784 in Orange County, >> North Carolina. Bradley was one of three white sons of Andrew Collins. >> He >> had three white sisters. One of his white brothers was Andrew Collins >> Jr. >> who married Eleanor "Nelly" Weeks in 1810 and eventually went to Indiana, >> where he died in 1846. I don't know the names of the other white brother >> of >> Bradley and Andrew Jr. >> >> Bradley also had two half brothers named Hiram and Abraham. Apparently >> they >> were sons of a half sister of Isabel Hastings who was a mulatto slave, >> because on the 1830 census for Clay County, Kentucky, they are listed as >> "heads of households" but slaves and next to Bradley Collins. One of >> them >> has a white wife; both have sons under 5 who are listed as free and >> white. >> These were very light skinned mulattoes. By 1840 both had moved first to >> Indiana, and then by the mid-1840's to Morgan County, Indiana. On the >> 1840 >> and 1850 census, Hiram is listed as white; Abraham is listed as mulatto, >> and >> his wife as white, which is how she was listed in 1830. Hiram named a >> son >> George Hasting Collins and he usually went by Hastin'. Bradley Collins >> named a son Hiram. Bradley Collins' oldest son was named Andrew. >> >> Bradley Collins had 5 sons and I only know the names of four: Andrew, >> James, >> John and Hiram. So, it's probably not a lot of help for clues from a >> naming >> tradition. Bradley had 8 daughters and I only know the names of 2 of >> them >> for certain: Keziah and Martha. Some researchers claim knowledge of a >> third >> name, Sarah but offer no real proof. >> >> So, given that all the sons, white and mulatto claimed Hastings descent >> and >> that Andrew Collins was their father, how did this happen and who was the >> apparent half sister of Isabella Hastings who was the mother of the two >> sons >> Hiram and Abraham? Hiram was born in 1793 and Abraham in 1804/5. >> >> Isabella Hastings' father was apparently Henry C. Hastings Sr. (she had a >> brother Henry Hastings as well) 1727-1800. Her mother was Elizabeth >> McDaniel Hastings who died in 1812. I'm hoping that one or both of Henry >> Hastings Sr. and his wife Elizabeth, left a will that might explain some >> of >> this. >> >> Andrew Collins died between 1810 and 1820. His wife Isabella Hastings >> Collins died between 1820-1830. Both also died in Orange County, North >> Carolina, and I'm hoping wills exist for them. >> >> I suspect Andrew Collins' mother was a Bradley as that is usually a >> surname, >> so I'm looking for a Collins father of Andrew who was probably married to >> a >> Bradley. There are several possibilities for a father for Andrew >> Collins. >> The 1755 tax list on line at the genweb site shows: Isaac Collins, James >> Collins, John Collins and Joseph Collins. I think, given the name order >> of >> the sons of Bradley Collins that I do have: Andrew, as oldest, James as >> 2nd, >> John as 3rd, and Hiram as 4th and a 5th younger son with an unknown name, >> it's more likely that Andrew Collins was the son of either James or John >> Collins who were listed on the tax records of 1755. >> >> I know that Andrew Collins must have had brothers and I suspect John and >> James were names among them, as well as possibly Eli. >> >> Is there anyone in the group who has already researched this line and >> found >> enough documentation that answers the questions of Isabella Hastings' >> mysterious mulatto half sister(s)? and has already identified the parents >> and brothers and sisters of my Andrew Collins? >> >> Last question: who was the FIRST wife of Bradley Collins, and of course >> who >> were her parents and siblings? Was he married in Orange County, North >> Carolina or an adjacent county? I have the names of all four of his >> later >> wives, but not his first wife--and of course I descend from that unknown >> first wife through his oldest son, Andrew Collins. Bradley Collins had >> at >> least 13 children (probably 2 more who died in infancy, as well) by 3 or >> 4 >> wives (depending upon whether wife number 4, Catherine Barney had a child >> that lived or not). Bradley Collins first married in 1808. His oldest >> daughter, Keziah, was born in 1809. Andrew Collins was next, born July >> 22, >> 1811. Both of these children were born in KENTUCKY--county unknown. >> Where >> ever Bradley Collins was, he was living with a father-in-law or a >> brother-in-law. He cannot be found under his own name on any records. >> >> Bradley Collins returned to Orange County, North Carolina by 1812. In >> the >> War of 1812 he served for the U.S. from Orange County parts of two years >> in >> a row: 1812 and 1813. His first wife died, in childbirth, in 1816. She >> had >> three children total who lived: 2 daughters and a son. Bradley Collins >> then >> married Jane Ray, a daughter of George and Martha (Robinson) Ray, in >> February, 1817 in Orange County, North Carolina. Sometime in the 1820's, >> Bradley moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Jane "Jennie" Ray Collins died >> in >> late 1829 or early 1830 in Clay County, Kentucky. There were 5 surviving >> children by Jane--3 under the age of 5 on the 1830 census and obviously >> needing a mother. Then Bradley Collins married (all in Clay County, >> Kentucky) Elizabeth Lunsford Sept. 30, 1830; followed by Catherine Barney >> July 22, 1831 and finally Elizabeth "Betsy" Griffin February 13, 1833 by >> whom Bradley had 4 or 5 more children. Then in 1838 he moved from Clay >> County, Kentucky to Chariton County, Missouri. >> >> Any documented help on any of this is greatly appreciated. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Mrs. Cecilia L. 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Dear Celia, I have researched Collins in NC and VA also, but a different line. However, others have sent me info that includes wills: Andrew Collins 1777 Perquimans Co., NC Andrew Collins 1791 Wake Co., NC SC Royal land grants and head rights: Collins, Andrew 100 acres, Craven Co., 23 Jan 1773 Andrew 200 acres and 200 acres on 3 Runs Creek, 16 Sep 1774 Andrew 400 acres on Pee Dee River, 17 Feb 1736 Miscellany of Collins in Early SC: Before the Revolution: South Carolina Tories. All are from the York, Union, Spartenburg Counties area. These men may have left SC after the Rev. Most of the Tories moved west. Some remained in SC. **** Bradley Collings (!!!) Note: The other names are Isaac Collans, James Collins, Joseph Collins, Moses Collins and Moses Collins II I hope this provides some leads for you. I do recommend trying SC and VA for more info. The names Andrew and Bradley never appear in the Collins I research, so you can be sure they picked up those "family" names from ancestors and relatives. You may enjoy going to http//www.tamandmichael.com/COLHIST.1.htm for more into on Collins Origins, although you're not close to this now.Still it's interesting. Done by Michael Collins Dunn. Includes The Name Collins, The Pursuit of the Earliest Collinses, etc. There may be more on your names there that I wouldn't remember. Let me know if you have any success. Good luck. Barb

Sue's statement about grandchildren not being mentioned in a will unless the parent who would have been the heir is deceased is correct.? Henry Hastings gave his daughter Margaret Adams one dollar to her and her heirs forever and he gave the same to his daughter Isbell (spelling in?transcribed will)?Collins, his daughter Elizabeth Watson, his daughter Ester Thompson, and his son-in-law Thomas Crabtree.? He gave more to his sons James, Joseph, John and William and to his daughter Mary Hastings.? Henry gave his daughter Mary Hastings a note for fifty dollars payable 1 Jan. 1814?to be given to his grandson John Young.??John Young was the only grandchild mentioned in Henry's will, apparently Henry had a daughter who was married to a Young, the daughter was deceased by the time that Henry wrote his will on 10 May 1812,?and?John was their son.? There were no slaves mentioned in his will. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Tony & Sue Skay Abruscato <sueskay@sbcglobal.net> To: ncorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [NCORANGE] Collins and Hastings families: mid 1700's to early 1800's. Wills of Andrew Collins and Henry C. Hastings Sr.? At 11:03 AM 2/19/2008, you wrote: >It's interesting that Henry Hastings didn't mention any of his six >grandchildren by Andrew and Isabella (Hastings) Collins Normally grandchildren would not be mentioned unless the parent who was the an heir to the estate was deceased. At that time, the children would inherit their parents share of the estate. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com