Hi Paul, Good to see you on-line. I know you have been busy. The foot lengths called poles/rods/ was 320 parts to the mile (320 poles) at 16 and 1/2 feet per pole. (320 X 16 1/2)=5280 feet Lee

Beryl, I am convinced that our ancestors had a conspiracy to confound future generations. Often found at the bottom of old recorded deeds are the abbreviations "cc", "ccc" and "acc" that refer to "Court Clerk", "County Court Clerk" and "Assistant Court Clerk". Regards, Paul

Hi Beryl, The chain bearers held the surveyors chain attached to poles much like measuring for a "first down" in football. Usually chain bearers were family members and close neighbors, who were available when the survey was conducted. Sometimes you find the word "processioned," in the records, and this means the land was surveyed due to a boundry dispute or following the death of the land owner, or the owner has requested the land to be surveyed. This was accomplished by a county surveyor, and became apart of the court minutes. Lee Ramsey Lee > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

--part1_122.11e5a014.2a26f617_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They carried the chains during surveying i.e. measured the survey line. A chain usually had 100 links. One link equaled 7.92 inches. A chain was 66 ft long or 4 poles. Poles were also called rods or perches. They were 16.5 ft long. G. Frady "The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see." --- Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965 --part1_122.11e5a014.2a26f617_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <Boggit@aol.com> From: Boggit@aol.com Full-name: Boggit Message-ID: <9d.2895d910.2a26f4c8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:21:44 EDT Subject: Re: [NCMECKLE-L] "Chain bearers" To: beryla@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 They carried the chains during surveying i.e. measured the survey line. A chain usually had 100 links. One link equaled 7.92 inches. A chain was 66 ft long or 4 poles. Poles were also called rods or perches. They were 16.5 ft long. G. Frady "The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see." --- Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965 --part1_122.11e5a014.2a26f617_boundary--

Beryl, My good friend Lee will set me straight if I answer your question incorrectly. In the early days of king's land grants, colonial governor grants, and outright land purchases, there was an absence of surveyors. Typically found in pre-1800 deed records are "legal descriptions" of property annotated by "John Doe, CC" or "John Doe, ACC". Where "cc" = chain carrier and "acc" = assistant chain carrier. Land measurements in those days and until now in some instances, was measured by "poles" or "rods" and "chains". If I am not mistaken, a chain is 16' . To keep folks honest when laying out the land granted or purchased, the buyer would often designate a relative or close friend to serve as chain carrier or assistant chain carrier during the property survey. Sort of like a caddy keeping score in a round of golf. Hope this answers your question. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Beryl Anthony <beryla@mindspring.com> To: <NCMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: [NCMECKLE-L] "Chain bearers" > Recently, Lee Ramsey replied to a sender with this language, inter alia: > "They were no doubt kinsmen, as they all purchased tracts of land at the > same time, being ajacent to one another and being chain bearers for each > other and their ajacent neighbors." > > What is a chain bearer? > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Recently, Lee Ramsey replied to a sender with this language, inter alia: "They were no doubt kinsmen, as they all purchased tracts of land at the same time, being ajacent to one another and being chain bearers for each other and their ajacent neighbors." What is a chain bearer?

Surveying at the time was done with chains. :) At 06:17 PM 5/29/02, Beryl Anthony wrote: >Recently, Lee Ramsey replied to a sender with this language, inter alia: >"They were no doubt kinsmen, as they all purchased tracts of land at the >same time, being ajacent to one another and being chain bearers for each >other and their ajacent neighbors." > >What is a chain bearer? > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am looking for information on my ggggrandfather Samuel Carr. According to the 1850 census he was born in Alabama in about 1813. He married Nancy McMillin in 1845 in Mississippi. He is in the 1850 Winston County MS census. None of the family is in the Winston County 1860 census and his widow is in the 1870 Winston County census. I have heard he was killed in the Civil War but have no proof of this yet. A Samuel Carr is listed in the 30th Mississppi Infantry (formed in Attala county). I have also heard his parents were William Karr and Nancy Sharp from North Carolina and his Grandfather was Samuel Kerr also from North Carolina I have no proof of this either. If you have any information on ANY of this I would appreciate the help. I can not find Samuel in Alabama or his parents in North Carolina. Thanks! Margaret Snow] msnowzoo@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Stephanie Cecil wrote: Is anyone researching McMULLEN name [as in McMULLEN Creek] in Mecklenburg county? Or does anyone know the origins of the name there? REPLY: There were a few McMullens beating a path out in the "boonies" of the Broad River wilderness of NC. They were no doubt kinsmen, as they all purchased tracts of land at the same time, being ajacent to one another and being chain bearers for each other and their ajacent neighbors. One of them also bought a tract on Bullock's Cr., which is closer to the McMullen Cr. in present day Mecklenburg Co., NC., but still not close. Strangely enough I do not find any McMullen's on McMullen Cr. The Broad River land they settled on was originally in Mecklenburg Co., NC west of the Catawba River, in what became Chester Co., SC. The land on Bullock's Cr. became a part of York Co., SC. In 1769 the western boundry of Mecklenburg Co., NC was etched down the Catawba River, thus all lands west of the River became other counties. Eventually the SC line was redrawn due to a "slight" miscalculation by the original land surveyers, and "what was taken was given back." Those who bought land on Broad River were William McMulllan in 1766; Andrew McMullan in 1766, John McMullan 1766, on Susy Bowls Br. of Broad River. These parcels of land were part of an original 400 tract patented to William Love in 1753, when there was no Mecklenburg Co., NC, and described as being on the N. side Broad River, E side Turkey Cr....and on Susy Boals branch. In 1766, John McMullan purchase the land on Bullocks Cr. In 1786, an Amos McMullan purchased 150 A on Richardson Cr., Mecklenburg Co., NC. In 1842 Richardson Cr. was taken into Union Co., NC. Also note that the surname McMullan is often confused with McMillan, i.e. "Amon McMillan (Amos McMullan) deeded 150 A to Avret Yearby. This is usually due to handwriting, the condition of the ink and paper, and who does the spelling. There was a McMillan family near the area of McMullan Cr., and this may account for a confusion in the names. Interestingly enough both names have the same Scotish Gaelic origins, and there are a whole passel of McMullans in Ireland. Lee Ramsey > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The only mention of McMullen in the Mecklenburg Will Book is in the Will of Charles Connor, 4 Apr 1803, "my dau Ann Eppe, the following tracts on the east side of the Catawba River in Iredell County known as the Dunkans (Duncans), Kendricks, and McMullens tracts" Hope this is helpful, Verna >From: "Stephanie Cecil" <stephaxi@mindspring.com> >To: NCMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NCMECKLE-L] McMullens in Mecklenburg? >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:01:41 -0400 > >Hello, new to this list. >Is anyone researching McMULLEN name [as in McMULLEN Creek] in Mecklenburg >county? Or does anyone know the origins of the name there? >I have a huge McMullen family and would like to know if any were ever in >the Charlotte area. >Thanks. >Steph Powell Cecil stephaxi@mindspring.com > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hello, new to this list. Is anyone researching McMULLEN name [as in McMULLEN Creek] in Mecklenburg county? Or does anyone know the origins of the name there? I have a huge McMullen family and would like to know if any were ever in the Charlotte area. Thanks. Steph Powell Cecil stephaxi@mindspring.com

Dear List and Members I thought some of you would like to know about what's up ..... Here's a note from Derick Coordinator of Catawba-West-L Sheila ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ ****************************************** We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Confederate Farewell Performance: Date: Saturday, May 25, 2002 Time: 1:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Place: 5 East Edenton Street in Raleigh, NC http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/prss_rl30.htm Actor Micah Cover will have his final performances at the North Carolina Museum of History in downtown Raleigh NC. Cover portrays a Confederate soldier suffering from illnesses that spread through his camp. The performances take place on Saturday, 25 May, and Sunday, 26 May, at 1PM, 2PM, and 2:30 PM. Each 10-minute dramatic presentation is based on the real-life experiences of Isaac Lefevers, a Confederate soldier from Catawba County who stayed in a Goldsboro hospital during the War for Southern Independence. Dressed in a hand-sewn checked shirt and gray pants, Cover presents the story of a soldier who dreams of battlefield glory and a home- cooked meal. The performances take place in the re-created Confederate hospital in the exhibit "Health and Healing Experiences in North Carolina." Between performances, Cover breaks character to answer questions and talk about the War. You will see him whittling, writing a letter home or repairing a torn shirt ? pastimes that soldiers used to fight boredom while recovering from illness. The actor will use reproduction Confederate tools and supplies that visitors can also handle. The performance is free. The museum is located at 5 East Edenton Street in Raleigh. For more further details or directions, please call (919) 715-0200. Derick ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== ==== CATAWBA-WEST Mailing List ==== Sharing info on the region West of the Catawba River, NC For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page _____________________________________________________ __ WebKorner Internet Services - http://www.webkorner.com/

Hi Bill: Thanks very much for what you do for all of us. He has read many cemeteries and put them on line in North Carolina, and copied different marriage, birth records etc., for many of these counties. I do have a five foot thirty inch bookcase with books for everywhere, as well as anything that is published on each family. Some cannot understand why I would purchase so much. I also have 80 CD, of Census records, and well as 100 others that I have purchased to help myself. Ths is quite true.  I started the society here inVallejo, Ca., in 1993, and taught a class every Friday to get things going for two hours.  I therefore could not get my genealogy done.   I am again the Vice President this year, with booking all of the speakers, organizing the three field trips to the archives, LDS and our State Library.  It takes tremendious time, and this past Saturday from 10A to 4P, at Heritage day, passed out fliers about the park and the 1906 earthquake, and about our Society. Many of our people have never been in a courthouse, or the State Archives. I tried to teach them to take along their notebook with full pedigree sheets so those of us trying to help them learn, would see at a glance what we needed to find for them.  They ould come with scraps of paper and thought we should be able to do the job.  I would do the driving and take three at a time, to teach them where these facilities were, and ask $4.00 each for gas and bridge toll.  It is 55 miles each way for us to go to each of these places and two bridges with a toll of $2.00 each, so $12.00 barley covers the epense.  Some would come along with $1.00 and think that this did it. As for the Archives at Raleigh,  You are only allowed to take paper and pen or group sheets there, or at least the last time I was there in 1995, before becomming terribly ill.   You are allowed to look in each box that they bring you, and put in a piece of cadboard and tell them what you want photocopied, after so many copies,  you pay for them and they send it in the mail.  They watch everything, and see what you have when you leave the archives.  Your things are placed in a locker and you have a key for it. The LDS n Salt Lake City is the same.  this might be good to put on the internet as well.  Many of us old timers know what to expect, but the newbies or those that do not attend the Genealogical Societies do not know rules. I get postcards from people wanting all the information that I have on a famly or someone.  They need to be taught that when you write, that you need to send a self addressed stamped envelope and at least say thank you for ever someone is willing to share. If I sent one of my files, there are aprox. 5,000 people on it. at age 71, and not kthe greatest of health some do not understand when I say I will try and photocopy at our local place some of what they are looking for.  I have three ruptured ddisc in my spine and undergo epidurals three times a year in order to walk or sit for whatever little time that I dare.   Betty Heryford Vallejo, Ca.

I have finally updated the North Carolina Civil War soldiers database. Most additions are to the A and Y surnames but there are hundreds of additions scattered throughout the alphabet. http://www.censusdiggins.com/nc_civilwar.html More Civil War Soldier Databases http://www.censusdiggins.com/civil_war_soldiers.html Civil War Prisons http://www.censusdiggins.com/civil_war_prisons.html Happy Searchin' Brenda Webmaster CensusDiggins.com http://www.censusdiggins.com

I have some 1920 census information indicating one of my wife's ancestors lived at 1424 Arlington Street in Charlotte. The present map of Charlotte shows just the 300 block of Arlington AVENUE, running west off South Boulevard near Bland Street. The information I have indicates Arlington Street was somewhere in the "East End" of Charlotte, possibly near Pegram Street. Can anyone shed any light on this? Obviously Arlington Street isn't there, but was it renamed or abolished because of development? Any information is appreciated. Jim Scharf

Dear List Please submit your family stories if you... currently live in Mecklenburg County, NC past resident of Mecklenburg County, NC Or Have Roots in the OLDE MECKLENBURG COUNTY AREA This includes... parts of SC (areas touching today Mecklenburg County, NC.); Parts of Union County, NC to or near the city of Monroe; All of Cabarrus, pieces of Stanly...; pieces of Iredell...; pieces of Lincoln(today) or Tyron (Of olde).... this area is also west of the Catawba River; and areas including the Catawba Tribe Reservation. We need historical articles as well as family stories. Please let us know if you wish to purchase a book... Thanks.....Here's the updated mailing address Olde Mecklenburg County Heritage Book Project PO Box 1348 Huntersville, NC 28070-1348 Thanks for you help Please Spread the word Sheila Weaver, Co-Chairman This is a NON-Profit committee _____________________________________________________ __ WebKorner Internet Services - http://www.webkorner.com/

I need to obtain a copy of the will of JOHN MC RAVEN. Does anyone have a copy or would you please tell me where to find this. Thanks. Julie

Has anyone used it at the Carolina Room in Charlotte, NC? "Be THANKFUL for the history that you know" Surnames: BROCK, GLADIN, LOFTIN

Does the Carolina Room have the 1930 Census yet? If not, when will they be receiving it? Will it be the entire North Carolina 1930 Census? Will they also have the Florida 1930 Census? Thanks. "Be THANKFUL for the history that you know" Surnames: BROCK, GLADIN, LOFTIN

I would certainly appreciate a listing of the children of Robert and Elizabeth McRaven Hood's children. If anyone can help me I will be so grateful. Julie