Joseph's email no longer works so I am posting this here: ------------------------ From: Joseph F. Gantt [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 5:41 PM Jeff, I suspect (without sufficient foundation at this point) that the Ursula "Poundland" (b. 1805) who married Barnett Putman/Putnam (a son of Keziah Robert's sister, Nancy) may have actually been a daughter of John B. Fondren who lived in the same neighborhood in Rutherford Co. (now Cleveland Co.), NC during the early 1800's. This suspicion is based upon the fact that the name "Poundland" was originally given by Betty Jo Carpenter of Rutherfordton, NC (the principle researcher on Barnett & Ursula) who now cannot recall exactly where she got the name and says that it should be considered as a weak source. Since I can find no information on the name Poundland anywhere, I suspect that Ursula probably came from a nearby family with a similar sounding name. John B. Fondren (Fondlen, Fondlin, etc.) is the only one in the region that fits this description and it turns out he lived in very close proximity to Putnam, Roberts, and several other related families (like the Sanders, Weavers, Spurlings, Barnetts, Bridges and Loves). According to my notes from 1830 Census of Rutherford County, North Carolina, abstracted by Miles S. Philbeck, Jr., published by the Genealogical Society of Old Tryon County, Inc., PO Box 938, Forest City, NC 28043, 1982, the household of John Fondlen (presumably John B. Fondren) is shown as follows: 2 males (5-9 yrs): probably Morris R. and Nimrod L. 1 male (10-14 yrs): probably John R. 2 males (15-19 yrs): probably William Butler and Whitmon C. H. 1 male (50-59 yrs): John B. Fondren (Fondlin) 1 female (5-9 yrs): probably Miranda 1 female (10-14): probably Amaretta 4 females (15-19): probably Unity, Jane and two unknown daughters (or girls) 1 female (40-49): Keziah (Roberts) This shows John B. & Keziah with a total 11 children in 1830. Since John B. was probably in his early 50's and Keziah was in her late 40's, it is conceivable that they may have had at least one child not shown in the 1830 census because the child may have already married and left home (Barnett & Ursula were married about 1826). Unfortunately, I don't know what the 1820 and earlier censuses show for this family. Have you exhaustively researched the extant public records for this family in Rutherford Co. (later Cleveland Co.)? Do you know of any other researchers who may be able to shed some light on this subject? Thank you very much for your consideration. Joseph Gantt Asheville, NC ------------------------- Hello Joe... Yes, I am a habitual pack rat. Consider this a five and a half year delayed follow-up. I wanted to let you know I may have an answer to this riddle. Or worst case scenario, present you with another riddle within a riddle. Check 1830 Lincoln census page 159 (neighbor of Willis Putnam) an interesting head of household by the name of Creade Beauland: 1 male 10-15; 1 male 15-20; 1 female 40-50. This portion of the Lincoln census listed all of the inhabitants of the SW corner of Lincoln where Township 3 and 4 of Cleveland County is located today. Now for some voluntary speculation. I believe Creade was a widow and I believe she was a widow of a Mr. Bolin/Bollin/Bowland. I tend to group these names together and I am now prepared to include Bowling and even your Poundland. If you look a little deeper there is an Enoch Bowling also on the 1830 LCC and he was a newlywed. I believe Enoch was Creade's son. I also don't believe her name was Creade. Perhaps Creese or even short for Lucretia which I have seen spelled several ways. No need to speculate on this further and I'll continue to call her Creade for now. Anyway I am now prepared to speculate that Barnett Putnam was married to Ursula Bolin, sister of Enoch and daughter of the head-of-household listed as neighbor to Willis Putnam who was Barnett's brother. Jeff Martin