It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized names because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the pioneer Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in Pennsylvania and in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was Reinau. The family had its roots in Switzerland. When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there may be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so many of our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, and the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by any of these other languages. By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the past few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. But it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I did not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. Just some food for thought. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated > names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a > derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and > Yonker. > > > In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: > > My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter > > My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. > > Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; > Rein > to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. > > While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag > were > translated. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in > Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > > >> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >> changed; it was converted to English. >> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >> Taylor. >> >> >> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>> Alta: >>> >>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as >>> well >>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >>> >>> Richard >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mr. Carpenter: Do you have any information in your records pertaining to Henry Cline (Heinrich Klein/Kline/Cline), said to have been born in Germany and/or his son, Thomas Cline, born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1800, who, for a time lived in Lincoln County, North Carolina where Thomas Cline, in 1825, married Sally or Sarah Mitchum, before removing to Bond County, Illinois where the couple owned real property, lived and raised their family, died and are buried in separate cemeteries in Shelby County, Illinois (Sarah Cline, d. 1887), and Bond County, Illinois (Thomas Cline, d. 1868)? Thank you. Alta Mitchum Durden -----Original Message----- From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized names because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the pioneer Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in Pennsylvania and in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was Reinau. The family had its roots in Switzerland. When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there may be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so many of our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, and the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by any of these other languages. By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the past few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. But it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I did not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. Just some food for thought. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated > names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a > derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and > Yonker. > > > In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: > > My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter > > My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. > > Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; > Rein > to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. > > While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag > were > translated. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in > Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > > >> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >> changed; it was converted to English. >> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >> Taylor. >> >> >> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>> Alta: >>> >>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as >>> well >>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. 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Dear Ms. Durden, I do not have any information about a Henry/Heinrich Cline/Klein who had a son named Thomas. "Hog" Henry Cline who married Elizabeth Carpenter did not have a son named Thomas according to my research, the research of Cicero Cline, and George Cline Jr. in his recent book. I do not have a copy of the Cline book but have some xerox copies of pages. I do not locate the Henry Cline you mention or a Thomas Cline. But that information could be in that book somewhere else. George Cline appears to have done a good job detailing a very difficult family to document. He debunked many of the misinformation and myths surrounding this family through logic and documentation. I am very sorry that I cannot assist you. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alta Mitchem Durden" <altamdurden@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Mr. Carpenter: > > Do you have any information in your records pertaining to Henry Cline > (Heinrich Klein/Kline/Cline), said to have been born in Germany and/or > his son, Thomas Cline, born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1800, > who, for a time lived in Lincoln County, North Carolina where Thomas > Cline, in 1825, married Sally or Sarah Mitchum, before removing to Bond > County, Illinois where the couple owned real property, lived and raised > their family, died and are buried in separate cemeteries in Shelby > County, Illinois (Sarah Cline, d. 1887), and Bond County, Illinois > (Thomas Cline, d. 1868)? > > Thank you. > > Alta Mitchum Durden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: nclincol@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 1:08 pm > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > > > It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized > names > because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had > supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the > pioneer > Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in > Pennsylvania and > in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was > Reinau. > The family had its roots in Switzerland. > > When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there > may > be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. > > The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so > many of > our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, > and > the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by > any of > these other languages. > > By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the > past > few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. > But > it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I > did > not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, > Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. > > Just some food for thought. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > >> Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and > translated >> names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they > are a >> derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger > and >> Yonker. >> >> >> In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: >> >> My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter >> >> My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. >> >> Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to > Plonk; >> Rein >> to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. >> >> While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and > Freytag >> were >> translated. >> >> Robert Carpenter >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in >> Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. >> >> >>> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >>> changed; it was converted to English. >>> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >>> Taylor. >>> >>> >>> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>>> Alta: >>>> >>>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA > as >>>> well >>>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, > and it >>>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed > its >>>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not > aware >>>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they > were all >>>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. 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