-----Original Message----- From: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> To: sully1@carolina.rr.com Cc: DerickH@charter.net; JLLYNN@aol.com; rcarpenter2@charter.net; dlamel@sw.rr.com; mitchem@carolina.rr.com; t_young@charter.net; RWRIGHT100@austin.rr.com; arboggs2i@comcast.net; MKiser1202@aol.com; carrie@buttercupfamilyroots.info; tmcgowin@earthlink.net; bobsue24@cox.net; BHULL2@triad.rr.com Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Thomas Cline and wife Sarah of North Carolina and Bond County, Illinois THANK YOU, INDEED, KATHY, FOR "RESTORING MY RESEARCH SOUL"!? I was right, even to the detail that the biography in this book begins on page 76 ... as well as to my recollection that Henry Cline, father of Thomas Cline, b. abt. 1800, is said to have been?born in Germany ... at least that's what this informal biography indicates and what I recalled.? [I'm one of those persons who would rather be right than president, so know that I am indeed grateful to you, Kathy.] ? However, I get a different impression than you do (from this article)?about the marital status of Nathaniel Mitchum/Mitchem and Mollie/Polly Tucker.? Because the article indicates this, as to the wife of Thomas Cline, b. abt. 1800 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania: ".... Sarah Mitchem, born June 12, 1807 in Lincoln County, North Carolina, daughter of Nathaniel and Mollie (Tucker) Mitchem .... ", it is my perception .... right or wrong ... that the author of this biography has left the impression that Nathaniel Mitchum/Mitchem was the HUSBAND of, and therefore married to, Mollie/Polly Tucker.? THERE IS NO MENTION HERE, AS THERE IS ON SEVERAL DEATH CERTIFICATES ... ONE OF WHICH IS THAT OF THOMAS K. CLINE, SON OF THOMAS CLINE AND SARAH CLINE ...., INDICATING?THE MAIDEN NAME OF HIS MOTHER TO HAVE BEEN SARAH SCOTT.? Even if?Thomas K. Cline, (who gave this unaudited information to compiler Perrin), was attempting to conceal the fact that his Mother was an illegitimate child of Mollie/Polly Tucker, as you offer, he has, in this article, "legitimatized" his Mother's birth by indicating ... to me at least ... that Nathaniel Mitchum/Mitchem was not only?the Grandfather of Thomas K. Cline, but was married to his maternal grandmother, Mollie/Polly Tucker.? We KNOW that is not true.?? Rather, Nathaniel married Jemima Reynolds in October of 1801 and remained her spouse until he died in April of 1838 and when Jemima was awarded his widow's land dower in Lincoln County. I have made the mistake of assuming that Thomas K. Cline had extracted Nathaniel Mitchum's name from the 1815 marriage record of Molly/Mary Tucker to Thomas Tipps (where Nathaniel Mitchum served as bondsman ... and was NOT the groom); however, after more thought on this subject, and after reading your ideas about how this came about,?I have concluded, as you have, that Thomas K. Cline probably did not even know of the marriage of Molly/Mary Tucker to Thomas Tipps in 1815, but that his idea ... that his Mother, Sarah Scott, (or "Salley Tucker" as found in the Lincoln Court Minutes), was a daughter of Nathaniel Mitchum's ... ?likely came from his Mother?herself!? This concept makes it still more likely why?Sarah?Scott/Tucker gave her name as Sally Mitchum when she married Thomas Cline in Lincoln County in 1825!? She may even be the "fourth daughter" said to have been sired by Nathaniel Mitchum (although Nathaniel and Jemima, according to our research, had only three legitimate daughters along with ten sons, all born in Lincoln County where all thirteen of them lived to adulthood.) This is certainly refreshing, Kathy, and clears up much confusion (and consternation) that has a life of about a quarter century.? We need, now, to "free" Sally Mitchum Johnson?from ties to?Thomas Cline.? That just did not happen.? Alta -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Gunter Sullivan <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> Cc: DerickH@charter.net; JLLYNN@aol.com; rcarpenter2@charter.net; dlamel@sw.rr.com; mitchem@carolina.rr.com Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 3:16 pm Subject: Thomas Cline and wife Sarah of North Carolina and Bond County, Illinois The biography names Sarah's parents as Nathaniel Mitchum and Mollie [sic: Polly] Tucker. The biography does not state the parents were married. The Unless it can be proved that Sarah's father was not Nathaniel Mitchem/Mitchum, then the information cannot be labeled as inaccurate. Presumably the source of the information was from Sarah to her son Thomas K. Cline. William Henry Perrin, History of Bond and Montgomery Counties, Illinois (Chicago: O. L. Baskin & Co., Historical Publishers, 1882), pp. 79-80. Transcription of the biographies published in the above can be accessed here: http://web.archive.org/web/20060515050237/http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilbond/1882bios/qryindex.htm Or here [Here is a abbreviated version of the url] http://tinyurl.com/2mwtjj Either should work. Page 79. Thomas K. CLINE, farmer, P. O. Woburn, was born on the farm where he now lives, Sept. 28, 1842. Is the youngest son of Thomas CLINE, the pioneer, who was born July 15, 1800, in Lancaster County, son of Henry CLINE, from Germany, with whom he emigrated from Pennsylvania to North Carolina when young. He had several brothers and sisters, who were Amos, Martin (Thomas) and Mary. October 18, 1825, Thomas CLINE was married to Sarah MITCHEM. She was born June 12, 1807, in Lincoln County, N. C., daughter of Nathaniel and Mollie (TUCKER) MITCHEM. After marriage, they raised one crop, and made a sale that fall which amounted in all to $109.25, which they could not then collect. The same [Continued on next page] Page 80. fall, they came to this county with one old blind mare. During that winter, Mr. CLINE went to Vandalia, where he was allowed to enter eighty acres, and pay for the same when he could command the money; he after entered eighty more. This land is now owned by his son Thomas, on Section 29. It was a wilderness then; but two houses between his home and Greenville at that time. He died June 24, 1868, and for many years was identified with the Presbyterian Church, but before his death a few years joined the Methodist Episcopal Church, there being no church here at that time. Eight children were born to him who grew up: Mary, William, Nancy, Lizzie, Jennie, John, Sarah and Thomas; the two latter are residents of this township. Thomas was raised a farmer. February, 1864, he enlisted in the Third Illinois Cavalry, Company G, and served until the fall of 1865, when he was mustered out, having participated in all the battles in which his command was engaged. In 1867, he married Sallie,! born in Fayette County, daughter of Frank DOYLE. Has six children - Lucy, Willie, Jennie, Frank, Josie and Peter. In 1879, he moved to the farm he now owns, where he has recently erected a new house. He has a very fine spring on his farm, which feeds a large fish pond, which is being stocked with many varieties of fish. His mother is yet living, and is like a shock of corn, fully ripe for her Master's use. She is a member of the Free Methodist Episcopal Church. Alta Mitchem Durden wrote: Derick, Jerry, and Debra (as well as Kathy Sullivan and Robert Carpenter) ?- ? This is a scholarly report, and much appreciated; however, there is not contained here ... that I could see ... any man named Thomas Cline, born about 1800 in Pennsylvania, the son of Henry Cline, born in Germany.? I am sure that I've read some other report that contains that information (but I don't have it at hand.)? The only Thomas Cline I see?in the attached report was born in 1825 and migrated to Tennessee.? Thus he cannot be the Thomas Cline who married in 1825 in Lincoln County and removed, soon afterward, to Bond County, Illinois with his wife, Sarah. Special note to Derick:?I recall that, a few years ago when I was researching this branch of Clines, that you, too, knew of other Lincoln County families who had removed to Bond County, Illinois during this same time period.? At the time you and I were corresponding on this subject, I called and spoke with a man named Kevin John Kaegy, head of the Bond County Historical Society, who had managed to secure a copy of the out-of-print book by Perrin (where the erroneous information about Nathaniel Mitchum had been published in 1882.)? Kevin now has published a book, "Greenville and Bond County (IL) (Images of America)", which, I believe contains, among other pictures,?a photograph of the gravemarker of an American Revolutionary War soldier named Lynn (which I sent to Jerry 'way back then, but who was not believed to be within Jerry Lynn's ancestry.)? At any rate, Kevin John Kaegy cherished his copy of Perrin's work even though he recognized its flaws. Perhaps it was in Perrin's book that I read the excerpts about Henry Cline (Heinrich Klein), born in Germany and father of Thomas Cline, b. abt. 1800 in Pennsylvania who, in 1825, was married in Lincoln County, North Carolina.? If that's the source of what I'm remembering, it was probably submitted by this same Thomas Knight Cline and it, too, could very well be just as inaccurate as the statements he made about Nathaniel Mitchum.? In Perrin's book of 1882, there were profiles of many of the Lincoln County families who removed to Bond County, Illinois and surrounding counties, such as Montgomery County.? I recall one of those families, specifically, as having the surname of "Glenn", and I corresponded with, also, a few?Glenn descendants living then in Illinois (three or four years ago.)? Because one of my computers crashed and another was destroyed by lightning, I do not now have their addresses. Debra:? I believe you have some means to get, online, excerpts from Perrin's book.? Please try to find the information in that book as regards the Cline family that left Lincoln County, North Carolina and re-settled in Bond County, Illinois.?I know I am not hallucinating!? Google has recently digitalized many old books.? I don't know if Perrin's 1882 book is one of them.? With my "Charlie Brown luck", it won't be digitalized, so I will depend on you to get it from whatever means I know you have.? Thanks. Alta ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com