not what county, but what section of what stream I do not know that such a map exists that shows the above. I have overlays of all the changing counties in NC from very early on. It's hard enough to pinpoint the counties as they changed much less the divisions in each county. As a matter of fact, I'd say at this point that's it's close to impossible. However, there's always somebody to prove us wrong. You do know that many records were destroyed in NC during the Rev. war and the Civil war. Brownie ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
What years did the books written by Ms. Hofmann, Mr. Pruitt and Ms. Sullivan cover? I am interested in finding information on the parents of William "Billy" Brittain 1792-1866) and am wondering if I could find clues in one of these books. Thanks, Charlotte----- Original Message ----- From: <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] NCLINCOL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > 31 October 2007, Jack Darr <Jedarr@aol.com > wrote: >> >> [Snipped] >> >> I am interesting in discovering exactly where my immigrant ancestors settled in the 1770s - not what county, but what section of what stream. The deeds and wills I have examined are not easy to interpret because they use stream names not currently used and they refer to neighboring properties by the names of then-current owners. > > We all grapple with the puzzles that Jack Darr describes. There is no > one answer but a couple of resources are helpful. > > The following resource lists North Carolina streams and other > geographical locations including those that are no longer used: > William S. Powell, /The North Carolina Gazetteer: A Dictionary of Tar > Heel Places/ (Chapel Hill: the University of North Carolina Press, > 1968). This is a valuable resource that is still in print and available > for a reasonable price. > > Deeds, wills, and other documents often refer to neighboring properties > by the names of folks who were neighbors when the land entry was > originally claimed. This could be (and usually was) many year earlier. > Even though the neighboring property owners changed over the years, the > person deeding or bequeathing the land naturally uses the description in > his original title. Why? Because surveys cost money and many people > don't want to incur the expense of a new survey. Thus, the land is > described according to the original title and not by who is a current > neighbor. The first thing to do is track the land back to when your > ancestor acquired it. At each step collect the land description and the > names of neighbors. Sometimes this goes as far back to a land patent as > early as the 1760s. This is one of the research steps that reveals where > an ancestor lived. Fortunately, Lincoln County researchers have many > records abstracted or transcribed and indexed, such as Margaret > Hofmann's abstracts of North Carolina land patents, Bruce Pruitt's > abstracts of Lincoln County deeds, and my transcriptions of Lincoln > County Court minutes. > > Kathy Gunter sullivan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
31 October 2007, Jack Darr <Jedarr@aol.com > wrote: > > [Snipped] > > I am interesting in discovering exactly where my immigrant ancestors settled in the 1770s - not what county, but what section of what stream. The deeds and wills I have examined are not easy to interpret because they use stream names not currently used and they refer to neighboring properties by the names of then-current owners. We all grapple with the puzzles that Jack Darr describes. There is no one answer but a couple of resources are helpful. The following resource lists North Carolina streams and other geographical locations including those that are no longer used: William S. Powell, /The North Carolina Gazetteer: A Dictionary of Tar Heel Places/ (Chapel Hill: the University of North Carolina Press, 1968). This is a valuable resource that is still in print and available for a reasonable price. Deeds, wills, and other documents often refer to neighboring properties by the names of folks who were neighbors when the land entry was originally claimed. This could be (and usually was) many year earlier. Even though the neighboring property owners changed over the years, the person deeding or bequeathing the land naturally uses the description in his original title. Why? Because surveys cost money and many people don't want to incur the expense of a new survey. Thus, the land is described according to the original title and not by who is a current neighbor. The first thing to do is track the land back to when your ancestor acquired it. At each step collect the land description and the names of neighbors. Sometimes this goes as far back to a land patent as early as the 1760s. This is one of the research steps that reveals where an ancestor lived. Fortunately, Lincoln County researchers have many records abstracted or transcribed and indexed, such as Margaret Hofmann's abstracts of North Carolina land patents, Bruce Pruitt's abstracts of Lincoln County deeds, and my transcriptions of Lincoln County Court minutes. Kathy Gunter sullivan
Nancy, Read your "Dear Jack" email and thought I would let you know, I have a couple of Books with Rudisill info in them, If I could help. Be glad to. Becky Also some Hallmans > Dear Jack, > How are you related to the Hallmans? I also have Dellinger and Rudisill > connections. > Nancy Hallman Cason > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joemcdo" <joemcdo@flash.net> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" > > >> Hi Jack, >> Do you know the Darr family that owned an airport "Darr Field" at >> Archdale >> just out side of High Point NC? >> >> Joe McDonald >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Jedarr@aol.com> >> To: <NCLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:08 AM >> Subject: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" >> >> >>> Does anyone know how Lincoln County was divided into the 12 Companies >>> that >>> are identified in the 1790 census? I assume these are geographic >>> divisions. >>> It would be nice to be able to overlay the "Company" boundaries onto a >>> county >>> map, but that may be too much to wish for. >>> >>> Jack Darr >>> Reno and San Francisco >>> (Lincoln County connections - Darr, Rudisill, Dellinger, Blackburn, >>> Hallman) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: >>> 2/6/2007 >>> 5:52 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
30 October 2007, John Darr <Jedarr@aol.com> wrote /Joshua Whitlow Darr/Derr owned Madison Iron Works and was a major land-owner in the area, but since he had no issue, I don't know who he passed his estate to. /If he died intestate with no wife or children, then his siblings would be his heirs.
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Thank you very much, Lynn Wesson, for clearing this up for those who mistakenly believe that, in 1790, the parameters of Lincoln County were at that time the same as today!? Although my "pioneer" ancestor, Nathaniel Mitchum, was not a citizen of Lincoln County in 1790, he did begin living there in 1801 when the "companies" were probably not much different than what they had been eleven years before.? I would be most interested to learn?what "company line" changes had occurred as of the 1800 and 1810 census reports. Thank you. Alta Mitchem Durden -----Original Message----- From: dray74435@mypacks.net To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the Today's Lincoln County is small compared to what it was in in 1790. Since that time, parts of Cleveland and all of Gaston and Catawba have been created from what was then Lincoln. The reason that many are interested in the militia companies is that it would lend clues as to where our ancestors were in that time. they most certainly were not al in the land that is present-day Lincoln County!! Lynn Wesson Hillsborough, NC -----Original Message----- >From: Mbmackie1231@aol.com >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 10:12 PM >To: nclincol@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" > > >In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:09:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >sully1@carolina.rr.com writes: > >the area encompassed by Lincoln County was quite large. > > >Well, I've been there, and it doesn't seem large at all. It quite small as >a matter of fact. And I have no clue as to what difference the "companies" >make. It was simply a small area where a specific person took the census. > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lynn Wesson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
In a message dated 10/31/2007 11:13:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dray74435@mypacks.net writes: they most certainly were not al in the land that is present-day Lincoln County!! Right! Mine was in Burke County...but before that in Rowan...and before that in Tryon....without ever having to move. In fact, he was a Sheriff of Burke County for a while. _http://jrshelby.com/rfotw/tryon.gif_ (http://jrshelby.com/rfotw/tryon.gif) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Today's Lincoln County is small compared to what it was in in 1790. Since that time, parts of Cleveland and all of Gaston and Catawba have been created from what was then Lincoln. The reason that many are interested in the militia companies is that it would lend clues as to where our ancestors were in that time. they most certainly were not al in the land that is present-day Lincoln County!! Lynn Wesson Hillsborough, NC -----Original Message----- >From: Mbmackie1231@aol.com >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 10:12 PM >To: nclincol@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" > > >In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:09:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >sully1@carolina.rr.com writes: > >the area encompassed by Lincoln County was quite large. > > >Well, I've been there, and it doesn't seem large at all. It quite small as >a matter of fact. And I have no clue as to what difference the "companies" >make. It was simply a small area where a specific person took the census. > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lynn Wesson
In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:02:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nclincol-request@rootsweb.com writes: <<Well, I've been there, and it doesn't seem large at all. It quite small as a matter of fact. And I have no clue as to what difference the "companies" make. It was simply a small area where a specific person took the census.>> As the person who asked the original question, I can answer it. I am interesting in discovering exactly where my immigrant ancestors settled in the 1770s - not what county, but what section of what stream. The deeds and wills I have examined are not easy to interpret because they use stream names not currently used and they refer to neighboring properties by the names of then-current owners. Also, census records are sometimes mistaken - John Parr in the 1790 census seems to actually be my John Darr ancestor. But it is hard to be certain. My goal in research is to accumulate all the evidence I can find and then reach a judgment based on the available facts. If I could overlay the "company" boundaries on the map, I might have a better answer to that and other questions. I, too, have been to County. I have viewed the Andrew Derr (John's brother) cemetery, deep in the woods near Denver, which may be the right area. But the terrain has changed with development and it is hard to know whether that is where his father settled. (If the answers to these questions were easy, we probably would not find the searches enjoyable.) Jack Darr San Francisco ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Michael Jones wrote: > In addition, we have to look at the geographic size of a county not through our modern eyes in a motorized vehicle, but afoot or on horseback with poor roads in bad weather, sometimes traveling in the dark. Very true, Mike. Even more pertinent is that from 1779 until 1841, the area of Lincoln County included all of the present-day counties of Catawba, Cleveland, and Gaston. Those who cannot comprehend the size, can consult a map. Kathy Sullivan
Friends, Many of us subscribe to multiple lists. I believe this information about companies is very useful for the bigger picture as well as Lincoln County (only). My understanding is that counties at this time were divided into companies or militia units. These naturally tended to be close together for geographic and ease of quick assembly reasons for emergencies and training, so I believe there is benefit in knowing the general geographical placement, if it can be determined. In addition, we have to look at the geographic size of a county not through our modern eyes in a motorized vehicle, but afoot or on horseback with poor roads in bad weather, sometimes traveling in the dark. Mike On Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at 07:18PM, <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> wrote: > >In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:09:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >sully1@carolina.rr.com writes: > >the area encompassed by Lincoln County was quite large. > > >Well, I've been there, and it doesn't seem large at all. It quite small as >a matter of fact. And I have no clue as to what difference the "companies" >make. It was simply a small area where a specific person took the census. > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
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30 October 2007, ELI6223@aol.com wrote: > If anyone ever finds/figures out where the companies were from, I'd like to know also. > Thanks! > Teri Ellis > 30 October 2007, Mbmackie1231@aol.com wrote: > The area was so small, it probably doesn't make any difference where the companies were from. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but I gather the original question is asking what were the boundaries of 1790 census/tax districts/militia companies. In 1790 the area encompassed by Lincoln County was quite large. Also, Lincoln County was one of the fastest growing in terms of population in North Carolina. Kathy Sullivan
In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:09:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sully1@carolina.rr.com writes: the area encompassed by Lincoln County was quite large. Well, I've been there, and it doesn't seem large at all. It quite small as a matter of fact. And I have no clue as to what difference the "companies" make. It was simply a small area where a specific person took the census. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
The area was so small, it probably doesn't make any difference where the companies were from. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
If anyone ever finds/figures out where the companies were from, I'd like to know also. Thanks! Teri Ellis Researching: Luckey/ie, and colaterol lines of Baldridge, Hillis, Slevin, Orr. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
In a message dated 10/30/2007 12:03:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nclincol-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi Jack, Do you know the Darr family that owned an airport "Darr Field" at Archdale just out side of High Point NC? Joe McDonald Thanks, Joe. I had heard about that somewhere, but I then forgot about it until you mentioned it. I haven't researched that one. I believe I have determined who the original Lincoln County Darr/Derr was and have accounted for all except one of the Darr/Derrs who appear in the 1790 Lincoln census (Adam is a mystery to me, but he seems to have died or moved away.). The first was Laurence/Lorentz, who came from Germany to Lehigh County, PA, in about 1764 and then moved to Lincoln County, NC, in the early 1770s. His two sons, John and Andrew, inherited his original property and John ended up selling his share to Andrew and then buying on Leepers Creek. As nearly as I can tell from cemetery and court records, Andrew's sons died young or, in the case of Joshua Whitlow, without ever marrying (except possibly Andrew J., whom I have been unable to track). Joshua Whitlow Darr/Derr owned Madison Iron Works and was a major land-owner in the area, but since he had no issue, I don't know who he passed his estate to. Maybe there is some connection between his property and Darr field. That is a research project for another day. I descend from John, who was buried in the Old White Church cemetery in 1821. John married Susannah Rudisill and had three sons. Valentine moved to Stanley, where he was the postmaster, and his descendents, many of whom appear in some on-line sources, may still be in North Carolina. David is said to have moved to Alabama and I know nothing about him or his descendents. My ancestor Henry Rufus died young in 1845 and his wife, Anna Blackburn, and all of his children migrated to Arkansas in 1858 with her Blackburn siblings. Henry Rufus's three sons, including my great grandfather John Calvin, were the primary founding fathers of Atkins, Arkansas, a town created when the railroad was first put through. I don't know where the Darr Field name might come from, but I know that another Darr branch - possibly Laurentz's siblings - moved into Rowan County or Davidson at about the same time that Lorentz moved into Lincoln County, so the airfield name might stem from one of descendents of one of those siblings. I would love to learn about any other descendents of immigrant Lorentz Darr/Derr, whose will was probated in early 1794. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Dear Jack, How are you related to the Hallmans? I also have Dellinger and Rudisill connections. Nancy Hallman Cason ----- Original Message ----- From: "joemcdo" <joemcdo@flash.net> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" > Hi Jack, > Do you know the Darr family that owned an airport "Darr Field" at Archdale > just out side of High Point NC? > > Joe McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jedarr@aol.com> > To: <NCLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:08 AM > Subject: [NCLINCOL] 1790 Census - Geography of the "Companies" > > >> Does anyone know how Lincoln County was divided into the 12 Companies >> that >> are identified in the 1790 census? I assume these are geographic >> divisions. >> It would be nice to be able to overlay the "Company" boundaries onto a >> county >> map, but that may be too much to wish for. >> >> Jack Darr >> Reno and San Francisco >> (Lincoln County connections - Darr, Rudisill, Dellinger, Blackburn, >> Hallman) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 >> 5:52 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In a message dated 10/29/2007 6:34:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joemcdo@flash.net writes: but that may be too much to wish for. You're right. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com