On Friday, February 15, Mr. Aaron G. Fett made reference on this list to a 2003 posting on the Bertie County list made by Lisa Graham wherein Lisa Graham had listed twenty legal name changes made in various North Carolina counties during the years 1800-1804 pursuant to an Act of the General Assembly of North Carolina. If Lisa Graham's address, above, is still viable, please give us citation to those twenty name-change records, especially the 1801 record dealing with changing the name of Jonas Beneigh to Jonas Anthony in Lincoln County, whose father was Benjamin Anthony. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294 If all name changes, for all counties, are filed together for a span of years certain, please advise names of those counties and span of years. Also, when, if ever, was recording of these name changes discontinued as part of the records of the General Assembly of North Carolina? Thank you. Alta Mitchem Durden ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Richard: Please consult the e-mail sent by Lena to this list (at about 11:14 this morning.) If you will follow her instructions, I believe you will be able to eliminate this problem as I did. The message is signed by Lena and came from janie_reb_aingeal@yahoo.com. I'll just copy her message for your convenience and for the convenience of any persons who may have missed it this morning: --------------- "On the AOL's WEB MAIL on the mail page behind the words "AOL Mail" in very small print is a link to "settings." Use the following steps: 1. Click on "settings". 2. Look below the "Back to Mail" button is a list includes: General, Accounts, Compose, Spam Controls, Calendar, Instant Messenger. 3. Click on "compose". 4. From this list remove the check mark from in front of "Use Rich Text/HTML Editing" 5. Click on the "tab" for "SAVE" 6. Then click on "Back to Mail". -------------- Hope this works for you and any other persons plagued by this annoying problem. Again, thanks to everyone who responded with suggtions as to a solution. Alta Mitchem Durden -----Original Message----- From: Mbmackie1231@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] AOL problem with questions marks uncorrectable for some on the... Richard, when you log into your account, you are on your web mail. You can do it from there; just follow the instructions given. In a message dated 2/16/2008 3:46:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, rricabee@aol.com writes: The AOL problem with questions marks may be "uncorrectable" for some.? It all depends on how you have your AOL set up I guess.? When I changed to a new computer with a different OS I could not load the AOL software and so have to log into my account.? So I don't have access to the menus you describe to fix it on my own. So all my posts have extraneous question marks too. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Kathy - I realize "changing" the surname of "Zimmerman" to "Carpenter" was done because it was, in effect, an "Americanizationing" of the German name into an English/American form. In one sense, "Zimmerman" has not been "changed" to "Carpenter", because "Zimmerman/Carpenter" keeps the same meaning, but not the same spelling or the same pronounciation. To the extent that "Zimmerman" has changed its spelling and its pronounciation, then, in another sense, an effective " change" has resulted. There are many of the German surnames "converted" from their Germanic forms into their American "counterpart" names ... particularly in the area of Lincoln County, North Carolina. One other such surname that comes to mind, in addition to those that you list, is "Cline/Kline/Klein", which means "Little" and which surname ("Little") was adopted by settlers in that area whose names were originally "Cline/Kline/Klein". Alta -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Gunter Sullivan <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not changed; it was converted to English. Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and Taylor. rricabee@aol.com wrote: > Alta: > > The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? > > Richard > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Richard, when you log into your account, you are on your web mail. You can do it from there; just follow the instructions given. In a message dated 2/16/2008 3:46:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, rricabee@aol.com writes: The AOL problem with questions marks may be "uncorrectable" for some.? It all depends on how you have your AOL set up I guess.? When I changed to a new computer with a different OS I could not load the AOL software and so have to log into my account.? So I don't have access to the menus you describe to fix it on my own. So all my posts have extraneous question marks too. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
You did great, Alta! In a message dated 2/16/2008 4:33:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, altamdurden@aol.com writes: I have attempted to correct the question marks problem per instructions received on this list. I'll send this e-mail as a sample to see if it has been corrected or not. Hope so. Thanks to everyone who responded about this irritating little problem. After ordering at McDonald's drive-thu window, one of my little nieces, as we were driving to the pick-up window, would say, "Now, let's see what we get"! (because what was delivered to us was not always what we had ordered.) That's what I'll do now: "see what we get." Thanks, again. Alta Mitchem Durden -----Original Message----- From: rricabee@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 4:45 pm Subject: [NCLINCOL] AOL problem with questions marks uncorrectable for some on the lists The AOL problem with questions marks may be "uncorrectable" for some.? It all depends on how you have your AOL set up I guess.? When I changed to a new computer with a different OS I could not load the AOL software and so have to log into my account.? So I don't have access to the menus you describe to fix it on my own. So all my posts have extraneous question marks too. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
I have attempted to correct the question marks problem per instructions received on this list. I'll send this e-mail as a sample to see if it has been corrected or not. Hope so. Thanks to everyone who responded about this irritating little problem. After ordering at McDonald's drive-thu window, one of my little nieces, as we were driving to the pick-up window, would say, "Now, let's see what we get"! (because what was delivered to us was not always what we had ordered.) That's what I'll do now: "see what we get." Thanks, again. Alta Mitchem Durden -----Original Message----- From: rricabee@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 4:45 pm Subject: [NCLINCOL] AOL problem with questions marks uncorrectable for some on the lists The AOL problem with questions marks may be "uncorrectable" for some.? It all depends on how you have your AOL set up I guess.? When I changed to a new computer with a different OS I could not load the AOL software and so have to log into my account.? So I don't have access to the menus you describe to fix it on my own. So all my posts have extraneous question marks too. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not changed; it was converted to English. Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and Taylor. rricabee@aol.com wrote: > Alta: > > The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? > > Richard >
The AOL problem with questions marks may be "uncorrectable" for some.? It all depends on how you have your AOL set up I guess.? When I changed to a new computer with a different OS I could not load the AOL software and so have to log into my account.? So I don't have access to the menus you describe to fix it on my own. So all my posts have extraneous question marks too. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Alta: The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? Richard Most Lincoln County researchers are familiar with the name change of Zimmerman to Carpenter, for instance; however, that was a wide-spread or wholesale changing of surname and is not the same, in principle, as legally changing a single individual's surname -----Original Message----- From: nclincol-request@rootsweb.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 3:00 am Subject: NCLINCOL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 36 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Legal name changes (Alta Mitchem Durden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:12:43 -0500 From: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA3E71B1B7CF58-123C-1E7F@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a question (which involves the question mark.)? If you know, please tell me: Why are there question marks interspersed in my messages to this list?? What can I do to eliminate these unintended question marks?? [There should be just one question mark after that last sentence and no question mark after this sentence.]? Thank you.? Alta ? -----Original Message----- From: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:33 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes This is very interesting and is reference to a North Carolina law that seems to be rare, or at least not very well known.? It might prove even more interesting ... and very helpful, too ... if an effort were made to obtain the court minutes with regard to change of the name of Jonas Beneigh to Jonas Anthony in 1801 where the Father was Benjamin Anthony of Lincoln County.? That way, we might be able to learn the attendant circumstances under which this name change came about, and perhaps learn if the same or similar circumstances were present in the particular instances in which we, as researchers in other families,?might be able to apply.? Most Lincoln County researchers are familiar with the name change of Zimmerman to Carpenter, for instance; however, that was a wide-spread or wholesale changing of surname and is not the same, in principle, as legally changing a single individual's surname in an isolated incidence. We know, from January 1814 Lincoln County Court Minutes, that the name of Salley Tucker's illegitimate daughter was "Polley Tucker", who was then?"about five years & six months old" when she was bound to "Benjn. Hull until she arrive to lawful age"; however, because ... intermittently, both?before and after?her death in Bond County, Illinois in 1887??... "Polley Tucker" used, interchangeably and was known by, these two pre-marital surnames:?Scott and Mitchum/Mitchem),?in addition to her birth?surname of Tucker ...there probably does not exist a clear-cut path to understanding what actually happened along the way in the case of "Polley"/Sarah/Sally Tucker/Scott/Mitchum/Mitchem who married Thomas Cline in Lincoln County in 1825. What a challenge ... or is this more likely a "mission impossible"? Alta Mitchem Durden ?? -----Original Message----- From: AaronGFett@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 9:14 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes Saw this on another list, it includes at least one person from Lincoln Co, NC _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. 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There were several Ballard - Gilbert unions for Lincoln County. 1 James McDowel "Mack" Ballard b: 23 Aug 1888 d: 19 Oct 1960 in Catawba Springs, Lincoln Co., NC . +Bessie Lawing b: 04 Sep 1887 m: 04 Nov 1904 in 4/11/1909 Lincoln Co., NC d: 19 May 1912 *2nd Wife of James McDowel "Mack" Ballard: . +Angie "May" Gilbert b: 17 Nov 1889 m: Abt. 1913 d: 01 Sep 1974 in Catawba Springs, Lincoln Co., NC 1 Boyce Edward Ballard b: 17 Jun 1917 Lincoln Co., NC d: 11 Apr 2001 . +Mavis Gilbert 1 Raymond Francis Ballard b: 29 Nov 1891 d: 29 Mar 1918 Burial: Bur. Old Mt. Holly City Cem. NC . +Pearl Gilbert b: Abt. 1891 m: 23 Dec 1911 in Lincoln Co., NC (Not sure of the order of these marriages. I don' t have the dates. 1 David Lee Ballard b: 27 Apr 1923 Lincoln Co., NC . +Margaret Gilbreath *2nd Wife of David Lee Ballard: . +Helen Frances Queen b: 12 Nov 1929 d: 06 Apr 1974 *3rd Wife of David Lee Ballard: . +Sarah Gilbert b: Abt. 1925 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
Lena, I'm sure I speak not only for myself but all other AOL users as welll, when I say, "thank you very much for this information."? ?I'll try to "follow the bouncing ball" and correct this most irritating "glitch" and hope others will do the same.? [This message is sent prior to attempts to correct.] Thanks, again. Alta Mitchem Durden -----Original Message----- From: JRA <janie_reb_aingeal@yahoo.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:14 am Subject: [NCLINCOL] The ? In Messages & AOL Dear Alta & Others, I am posting this to the list instead of sending an e-mail privately to Alta for anyone who uses AOL may find this useful. The problem with AOL was discussed last year on the List Admin I belong to & thought I would share the solution: On the AOL's WEB MAIL on the mail page behind the words "AOL mail" in very small print is a link to "settings." Use the following steps: 1. Click on "settings" 2. Look below the "Back to Mail" button is a list includes: General, Accounts, Compose, Spam Controls, Calendar, Instant Messenger 3. Click on "compose" 4. From this list remove the check mark from in front of "Use Rich Text/HTML Editing" 5. Click on the "tab" for "SAVE" 6. Then Click on "Back to Mail" Sincerely, Lena --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
If anyone on this list has access to a transcript of the?court minutes of 1801, wherein the name of Jonas Beneigh was legally changed to Jonas Anthony, (the name of Jonas's father having been Benjamin Anthony of Lincoln County), please post it to this list.? Thank you. Alta Mitchem Durden ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Lynne, Guess I'm a true Southern woman because for years I never knew that a woman kept a middle name when she married. I assumed every woman used her maiden name as the middle name! However, I've learned that I am the one who is incorrect. When a funeral home provides info for a death certificate, the first name is used, her true middle name and the married surname. You can learn the maiden name by looking at the parents info but normally the maiden name is not part of the deceased's name on a death certificate. I'm interested in learning more about your Lincoln Co., NC Ballards. Do you have any Ballards who married Gilberts? Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: <LMiller603@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes for women > One thing to note in researching southern women. In the past and sometimes > now, When southern women got married, I'm told that their maiden name became > their middle name. > So, if you had a Sarah Alice Crow marry Thomas Collins, Sarah might then > appear on a census as Sallie C. Collins and be over looked. > This is not a national practice. Until I had an office job in the South, I > had never heard of this practice. > I asked employees to complete a form. One lady omitted her middle name. > When I took the form back to her, she said that she didn't know which name to > use because she'd been married twice. I asked her to explain. > According to the Department of Motor Vehicles in Lincoln County, it used to > be a law for the maiden name to become the middle name. I wonder what the > younger generation has decided to do. I would imagine they are following the > paths of their mother. > Please note, my main research is Ballards. Lincoln County Ballards migrated > all over the US but mainly south west. A branch of Ballards migrated from > Lincoln County to Greene County Illinois and other northern states where this > practice isn't followed. I've lived in the South most of my life and didn't > know this practice existed. It's something women did by decree of law and > tradition. It could be confusing for a researcher having never heard of this > naming practice. > Lynne D. Miller > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Does anybody else have the same problem? In a message dated 2/15/2008 11:14:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, altamdurden@aol.com writes: I have a question (which involves the question mark.)? If you know, please tell me: Why are there question marks interspersed in my messages to this list?? What can I do to eliminate these unintended question marks?? [There should be just one question mark after that last sentence and no question mark after this sentence.]? Thank you.? Alta ? -----Original Message----- From: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:33 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes This is very interesting and is reference to a North Carolina law that seems to be rare, or at least not very well known.? It might prove even more interesting ... and very helpful, too ... if an effort were made to obtain the court minutes with regard to change of the name of Jonas Beneigh to Jonas Anthony in 1801 where the Father was Benjamin Anthony of Lincoln County.? That way, we might be able to learn the attendant circumstances under which this name change came about, and perhaps learn if the same or similar circumstances were present in the particular instances in which we, as researchers in other families,?might be able to apply.? Most Lincoln County researchers are familiar with the name change of Zimmerman to Carpenter, for instance; however, that was a wide-spread or wholesale changing of surname and is not the same, in principle, as legally changing a single individual's surname in an isolated incidence. We know, from January 1814 Lincoln County Court Minutes, that the name of Salley Tucker's illegitimate daughter was "Polley Tucker", who was then?"about five years & six months old" when she was bound to "Benjn. Hull until she arrive to lawful age"; however, because ... intermittently, both?before and after?her death in Bond County, Illinois in 1887??... "Polley Tucker" used, interchangeably and was known by, these two pre-marital surnames:?Scott and Mitchum/Mitchem),?in addition to her birth?surname of Tucker ...there probably does not exist a clear-cut path to understanding what actually happened along the way in the case of "Polley"/Sarah/Sally Tucker/Scott/Mitchum/Mitchem who married Thomas Cline in Lincoln County in 1825. What a challenge ... or is this more likely a "mission impossible"? Alta Mitchem Durden ?? -----Original Message----- From: AaronGFett@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 9:14 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes Saw this on another list, it includes at least one person from Lincoln Co, NC _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
Dear Alta & Others, I am posting this to the list instead of sending an e-mail privately to Alta for anyone who uses AOL may find this useful. The problem with AOL was discussed last year on the List Admin I belong to & thought I would share the solution: On the AOL's WEB MAIL on the mail page behind the words "AOL mail" in very small print is a link to "settings." Use the following steps: 1. Click on "settings" 2. Look below the "Back to Mail" button is a list includes: General, Accounts, Compose, Spam Controls, Calendar, Instant Messenger 3. Click on "compose" 4. From this list remove the check mark from in front of "Use Rich Text/HTML Editing" 5. Click on the "tab" for "SAVE" 6. Then Click on "Back to Mail" Sincerely, Lena --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
I have a question (which involves the question mark.)? If you know, please tell me: Why are there question marks interspersed in my messages to this list?? What can I do to eliminate these unintended question marks?? [There should be just one question mark after that last sentence and no question mark after this sentence.]? Thank you.? Alta ? -----Original Message----- From: Alta Mitchem Durden <altamdurden@aol.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:33 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes This is very interesting and is reference to a North Carolina law that seems to be rare, or at least not very well known.? It might prove even more interesting ... and very helpful, too ... if an effort were made to obtain the court minutes with regard to change of the name of Jonas Beneigh to Jonas Anthony in 1801 where the Father was Benjamin Anthony of Lincoln County.? That way, we might be able to learn the attendant circumstances under which this name change came about, and perhaps learn if the same or similar circumstances were present in the particular instances in which we, as researchers in other families,?might be able to apply.? Most Lincoln County researchers are familiar with the name change of Zimmerman to Carpenter, for instance; however, that was a wide-spread or wholesale changing of surname and is not the same, in principle, as legally changing a single individual's surname in an isolated incidence. We know, from January 1814 Lincoln County Court Minutes, that the name of Salley Tucker's illegitimate daughter was "Polley Tucker", who was then?"about five years & six months old" when she was bound to "Benjn. Hull until she arrive to lawful age"; however, because ... intermittently, both?before and after?her death in Bond County, Illinois in 1887??... "Polley Tucker" used, interchangeably and was known by, these two pre-marital surnames:?Scott and Mitchum/Mitchem),?in addition to her birth?surname of Tucker ...there probably does not exist a clear-cut path to understanding what actually happened along the way in the case of "Polley"/Sarah/Sally Tucker/Scott/Mitchum/Mitchem who married Thomas Cline in Lincoln County in 1825. What a challenge ... or is this more likely a "mission impossible"? Alta Mitchem Durden ?? -----Original Message----- From: AaronGFett@aol.com To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 9:14 am Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes Saw this on another list, it includes at least one person from Lincoln Co, NC _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ncbertie/2003-01/1043621294) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Virtually all of my 17th, 18th and some 19th century records for my predomintly Southern ladies used their maiden name as their middle name. Though I've never seen a legal requirement, it was probably more traditional in nature. The Yankee ladies, at least in our families, never seemed to hold to the 'tradition'. I guess it's kinda like our ladies of today who will hyphenate their maiden and married names....perhaps it's a cultural thing....much like Hispanic families who use various forms ['de' 'y' etc] of the spousal and offspring surname patterns. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Judy Bennett" <judibennet@earthlink.net> > Lynne, > > My mother's middle name is her maiden name, COLLINS. Her signature was > Kathleen C. MITCHELL or Kathleen Collins MITCHELL. The same goes for > Mother's mother and grandmother. All official docs were signed by them using > the *maiden* name as the middle initial or fully spelled out as the middle > name. My middle name is my maiden name, MITCHELL. We are Southern and I've > never thought of it any other way until reading your post. But, now that you > mention it, I suppose my dear friends from other parts of the country now > after marriage commonly use their second given name as the middle name. > > That said, in researching my family in the north, I have seen women replace > their middle name with their maiden name there too. My gg-grandmother from > Maine is listed on her gravestone as Ann Elizabeth HALL - wife of Benjamin > Edward FLINT. Most Southern women I know still follow the tradition after > marriage and use their maiden name as their legal middle name. > > Family ties here were/are legally important. Husbands in SC could not sell > land without wives' forfeiting DOWER'S RIGHTS (her family rights) on the > contract/deed. Many very old graves list the name as Mary COLLINS (maiden), > *Consort* of John T. WILSON. They were, of course, husband and wife. More > recent graves might list Mary COLLINS and John WILSON or: > > WILSON > Mary Collins - John T. > > Take care, > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message
In a message dated 2/15/2008 2:15:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, dray74435@mypacks.net writes: Does anyone know when this "law" [referred to by the DMV employee] was enacted that said that a married woman had to use her maiden name as her middle name? I think the term is "could" use maiden name as middle name...not "had to".... **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
Does anyone know when this "law" [referred to by the DMV employee] was enacted that said that a married woman had to use her maiden name as her middle name? -----Original Message----- >From: LMiller603@aol.com >Sent: Feb 15, 2008 9:40 AM >To: nclincol@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes for women > >One thing to note in researching southern women. In the past and sometimes >now, When southern women got married, I'm told that their maiden name became >their middle name. >So, if you had a Sarah Alice Crow marry Thomas Collins, Sarah might then >appear on a census as Sallie C. Collins and be over looked. >This is not a national practice. Until I had an office job in the South, I >had never heard of this practice. >I asked employees to complete a form. One lady omitted her middle name. >When I took the form back to her, she said that she didn't know which name to >use because she'd been married twice. I asked her to explain. >According to the Department of Motor Vehicles in Lincoln County, it used to >be a law for the maiden name to become the middle name. I wonder what the >younger generation has decided to do. I would imagine they are following the >paths of their mother. >Please note, my main research is Ballards. Lincoln County Ballards migrated >all over the US but mainly south west. A branch of Ballards migrated from >Lincoln County to Greene County Illinois and other northern states where this >practice isn't followed. I've lived in the South most of my life and didn't >know this practice existed. It's something women did by decree of law and >tradition. It could be confusing for a researcher having never heard of this >naming practice. >Lynne D. Miller > > > >**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >Awards. Go to AOL Music. >(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Lynn Wesson
When I recently renewed my Texas ID the lady asked me do I want to use my given middle name at birth or my maiden name as my middle name I choose to use my maiden name! I did not know you could do that! I always sign my signature with all four names now including my married surname on any documents I sign and in the section that ask (Other names used) i put all of them. The lady said legally I can becuase even though i am married my maiden name is still officially my name and can be included in my ID"S I thought that was cool. So know in many years down the line they will have no trouble finding me when they go searching genealogy! Debra Let this be a lesson to all female genealogist! If you can use your maiden name women by all means do so your future generations will be so happy with you! I have found many a women on the census listed as their first name and the initial of their maiden name used as their middle initial instead of the initial of their true birth middle name I wish I had given all 4 of my children my maiden name at their birth's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Bennett" <judibennet@earthlink.net> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [NCLINCOL] Legal name changes for women > Lynne, > > My mother's middle name is her maiden name, COLLINS. Her signature was > Kathleen C. MITCHELL or Kathleen Collins MITCHELL. The same goes for > Mother's mother and grandmother. All official docs were signed by them > using > the *maiden* name as the middle initial or fully spelled out as the middle > name. My middle name is my maiden name, MITCHELL. We are Southern and I've > never thought of it any other way until reading your post. But, now that > you > mention it, I suppose my dear friends from other parts of the country now > after marriage commonly use their second given name as the middle name. > > That said, in researching my family in the north, I have seen women > replace > their middle name with their maiden name there too. My gg-grandmother from > Maine is listed on her gravestone as Ann Elizabeth HALL - wife of Benjamin > Edward FLINT. Most Southern women I know still follow the tradition after > marriage and use their maiden name as their legal middle name. > > Family ties here were/are legally important. Husbands in SC could not sell > land without wives' forfeiting DOWER'S RIGHTS (her family rights) on the > contract/deed. Many very old graves list the name as Mary COLLINS > (maiden), > *Consort* of John T. WILSON. They were, of course, husband and wife. More > recent graves might list Mary COLLINS and John WILSON or: > > WILSON > Mary Collins - John T. > > Take care, > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >