Brownie, try www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ and click on Surnames & families. I think the "a" was not supposed to be on the name of the county. Suggestion: anybody who is on the Lincoln Co. newsletter list also needs to subscribe to the Catawba Co. list. Some of the information laps over, but often there is new information on the Catawba list. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. > Nancy, I tried but could find the Catawba site at Rootsweb. Do you have > another address for it. I went to Rootsweb and looked for it also...not > there. > > Brownie MacKie > > > In a message dated 2/18/2008 8:56:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, > nancason@tx.rr.com writes: > > The link I sent in my previous email may not work, it didn't for me. You > will probably have to type in the address. > Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Cason" <nancason@tx.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. > > >> To all of you researching the Cline name: Derick Hartshorn has put a >> lot >> of >> Cline information on the Rootsweb Catawba County page. He has included >> some >> of the material from George Cline's book. This is the address: >> www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawba/family/Cline/index.htm. >> Hope this helps. >> Nancy Cason, TX >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debra LaMel" <dlamel@sw.rr.com> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:57 PM >> Subject: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. >> >> >>>I forgot his email is >>> georgebcline@sbcglobal.net if you would like to email him yourself to >>> get >>> a better understanding of when his CD's might be available. >>> >>> His book is named >>> The Cline Families of North Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European >>> Ancestors 1580-1760 >>> >>> >>> Debra >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The link I sent in my previous email may not work, it didn't for me. You will probably have to type in the address. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Cason" <nancason@tx.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. > To all of you researching the Cline name: Derick Hartshorn has put a lot > of > Cline information on the Rootsweb Catawba County page. He has included > some > of the material from George Cline's book. This is the address: > www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawba/family/Cline/index.htm. > Hope this helps. > Nancy Cason, TX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra LaMel" <dlamel@sw.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:57 PM > Subject: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. > > >>I forgot his email is >> georgebcline@sbcglobal.net if you would like to email him yourself to get >> a better understanding of when his CD's might be available. >> >> His book is named >> The Cline Families of North Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European >> Ancestors 1580-1760 >> >> >> Debra >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all of you researching the Cline name: Derick Hartshorn has put a lot of Cline information on the Rootsweb Catawba County page. He has included some of the material from George Cline's book. This is the address: www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawba/family/Cline/index.htm. Hope this helps. Nancy Cason, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra LaMel" <dlamel@sw.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: [NCLINCOL] George B Cline JR. >I forgot his email is > georgebcline@sbcglobal.net if you would like to email him yourself to get > a better understanding of when his CD's might be available. > > His book is named > The Cline Families of North Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European > Ancestors 1580-1760 > > > Debra > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Debra, for following up with George Cline, Jr., about his book on Cline family history. What he reported to you is the same thing we've been able to learn in Lincoln County about Thomas Cline who married Sally Mitchum in Lincoln County in 1825, which is zero point nothing. I tried several years ago to get information from the well-organized Clines ... in all of Western North Carolina ... and none of the officers of their heritage groups had ever heard of Sally Mitchum. That means what you'll be sending to George Cline, Jr., will deal only with the life of Thomas and Sarah Cline in Illinois and their descendants, other than the marriage record itself and the somewhat confused family background of Sally, born in Lincoln County in 1807 with her Mother's Tucker surname, and who then used both the Scott and Mitchum surnames before and after marrying Thomas Cline. This has been a ride not soon forgotten. Alta -----Original Message----- From: Debra LaMel <dlamel@sw.rr.com> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline Charlotte, (and others interested in the Clines), I talked ot Mr. George Cline JR tonite who still lives in Los altos Ca He has no more hard copies of his cline book available but is in the process of trying to get his work placed on a CD set. He did not give me a time frame when this will happen. I told him of our discussions on the Cline's over the last week on this board and told him to come put in his 2 cents if he felt like it. Alta He had no other info on Thomas Cline other then the marriage bond in Lincoln co He found no other records on Thomas in LC at all he said. I told him I would gladly send him the records we have found on Thomas Cline. Debra LaMel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > Dear Robert, > How do I go about obtaining a copy of the book by George Cline, Jr.? > Charlotte----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > Charlotte Hughes, > > > > The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified > when I > > wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. > wrote > > the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David > Cline > was > > the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for > the > > mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. > ran > off > > with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient > > documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia > and > > Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up > returning > to > > Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this > David > > Cline. > > > > I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right > now) > > that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able > to > > figure out who. > > > > I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. > > > > Robert Carpenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> > > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > > >> > >> Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who > married > >> Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as > being > >> Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify > that > >> John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any > help > >> is > >> appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> > >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > >> > >> > >> > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: > >> >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married > >> >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not > >> >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know > he > >> >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 > >> >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male > >> >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I > >> >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or > >> >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in > this > >> regard.?? > >> >>Alta > >> > > >> > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my > >> > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from > >> > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I > >> > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North > >> > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have > >> > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's > family > >> > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references > >> > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. > >> > > >> > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in > >> > the discussion. 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I am grateful for your time and efforts, Mr. Carpenter, in reviewing the materials available to you regarding Henry/Heinrich Cline/Klein who had a son named Thomas. I've found this family most difficult to isolate or target in the vast Cline research in your section of North Carolina. It was very kind of you to try to help me. Maybe I'll get lucky and someone else on this list has some information. A storm is approaching, so will sign off now. Alta -----Original Message----- From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... Dear Ms. Durden, I do not have any information about a Henry/Heinrich Cline/Klein who had a son named Thomas. "Hog" Henry Cline who married Elizabeth Carpenter did not have a son named Thomas according to my research, the research of Cicero Cline, and George Cline Jr. in his recent book. I do not have a copy of the Cline book but have some xerox copies of pages. I do not locate the Henry Cline you mention or a Thomas Cline. But that information could be in that book somewhere else. George Cline appears to have done a good job detailing a very difficult family to document. He debunked many of the misinformation and myths surrounding this family through logic and documentation. I am very sorry that I cannot assist you. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alta Mitchem Durden" <altamdurden@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Mr. Carpenter: > > Do you have any information in your records pertaining to Henry Cline > (Heinrich Klein/Kline/Cline), said to have been born in Germany and/or > his son, Thomas Cline, born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1800, > who, for a time lived in Lincoln County, North Carolina where Thomas > Cline, in 1825, married Sally or Sarah Mitchum, before removing to Bond > County, Illinois where the couple owned real property, lived and raised > their family, died and are buried in separate cemeteries in Shelby > County, Illinois (Sarah Cline, d. 1887), and Bond County, Illinois > (Thomas Cline, d. 1868)? > > Thank you. > > Alta Mitchum Durden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: nclincol@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 1:08 pm > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > > > It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized > names > because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had > supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the > pioneer > Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in > Pennsylvania and > in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was > Reinau. > The family had its roots in Switzerland. > > When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there > may > be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. > > The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so > many of > our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, > and > the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by > any of > these other languages. > > By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the > past > few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. > But > it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I > did > not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, > Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. > > Just some food for thought. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > >> Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and > translated >> names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they > are a >> derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger > and >> Yonker. >> >> >> In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: >> >> My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter >> >> My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. >> >> Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to > Plonk; >> Rein >> to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. >> >> While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and > Freytag >> were >> translated. >> >> Robert Carpenter >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in >> Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. >> >> >>> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >>> changed; it was converted to English. >>> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >>> Taylor. >>> >>> >>> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>>> Alta: >>>> >>>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA > as >>>> well >>>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, > and it >>>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed > its >>>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not > aware >>>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they > were all >>>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. 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I forgot his email is georgebcline@sbcglobal.net if you would like to email him yourself to get a better understanding of when his CD's might be available. His book is named The Cline Families of North Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestors 1580-1760 Debra

Charlotte, (and others interested in the Clines), I talked ot Mr. George Cline JR tonite who still lives in Los altos Ca He has no more hard copies of his cline book available but is in the process of trying to get his work placed on a CD set. He did not give me a time frame when this will happen. I told him of our discussions on the Cline's over the last week on this board and told him to come put in his 2 cents if he felt like it. Alta He had no other info on Thomas Cline other then the marriage bond in Lincoln co He found no other records on Thomas in LC at all he said. I told him I would gladly send him the records we have found on Thomas Cline. Debra LaMel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > Dear Robert, > How do I go about obtaining a copy of the book by George Cline, Jr.? > Charlotte----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > Charlotte Hughes, > > > > The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified > when I > > wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. > wrote > > the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David > Cline > was > > the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for > the > > mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. > ran > off > > with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient > > documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia > and > > Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up > returning > to > > Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this > David > > Cline. > > > > I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right > now) > > that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able > to > > figure out who. > > > > I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. > > > > Robert Carpenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> > > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > > >> > >> Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who > married > >> Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as > being > >> Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify > that > >> John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any > help > >> is > >> appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> > >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > >> > >> > >> > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: > >> >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married > >> >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not > >> >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know > he > >> >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 > >> >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male > >> >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I > >> >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or > >> >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in > this > >> regard.?? > >> >>Alta > >> > > >> > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my > >> > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from > >> > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I > >> > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North > >> > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have > >> > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's > family > >> > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references > >> > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. > >> > > >> > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in > >> > the discussion. Anyone else who would like a copy (in Word/Win) > >> > please write me as the list doesn't allow attachments (for good > >> reason). > >> > > >> > --Derick > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I do not know. I assume you may get one from the author: George Cline 1669 Jones Lane Los Altos, CA 94024-7273 That was his address in Feb 2003. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > Dear Robert, > How do I go about obtaining a copy of the book by George Cline, Jr.? > Charlotte----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > Charlotte Hughes, > > > > The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified > when I > > wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. > wrote > > the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David > Cline > was > > the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for > the > > mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. > ran > off > > with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient > > documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia > and > > Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up > returning > to > > Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this > David > > Cline. > > > > I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right > now) > > that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able > to > > figure out who. > > > > I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. > > > > Robert Carpenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> > > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > > >> > >> Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who > married > >> Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as > being > >> Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify > that > >> John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any > help > >> is > >> appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> > >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > >> > >> > >> > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: > >> >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married > >> >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not > >> >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know > he > >> >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 > >> >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male > >> >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I > >> >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or > >> >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in > this > >> regard.?? > >> >>Alta > >> > > >> > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my > >> > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from > >> > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I > >> > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North > >> > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have > >> > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's > family > >> > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references > >> > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. > >> > > >> > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in > >> > the discussion. Anyone else who would like a copy (in Word/Win) > >> > please write me as the list doesn't allow attachments (for good > >> reason). > >> > > >> > --Derick > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Robert, How do I go about obtaining a copy of the book by George Cline, Jr.? Charlotte----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > Charlotte Hughes, > > The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified when I > wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. wrote > the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David Cline was > the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for the > mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. ran off > with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient > documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia and > Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up returning to > Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this David > Cline. > > I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right now) > that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able to > figure out who. > > I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > >> >> Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who married >> Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as being >> Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify that >> John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any help >> is >> appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline >> >> >> > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: >> >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married >> >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not >> >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know he >> >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 >> >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male >> >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I >> >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or >> >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in this >> regard.?? >> >>Alta >> > >> > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my >> > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from >> > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I >> > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North >> > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have >> > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's family >> > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references >> > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. >> > >> > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in >> > the discussion. Anyone else who would like a copy (in Word/Win) >> > please write me as the list doesn't allow attachments (for good >> reason). >> > >> > --Derick >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you, Robert, for this information. Charlotte----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > Charlotte Hughes, > > The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified when I > wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. wrote > the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David Cline was > the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for the > mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. ran off > with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient > documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia and > Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up returning to > Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this David > Cline. > > I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right now) > that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able to > figure out who. > > I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > >> >> Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who married >> Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as being >> Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify that >> John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any help >> is >> appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline >> >> >> > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: >> >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married >> >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not >> >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know he >> >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 >> >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male >> >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I >> >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or >> >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in this >> regard.?? >> >>Alta >> > >> > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my >> > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from >> > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I >> > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North >> > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have >> > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's family >> > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references >> > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. >> > >> > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in >> > the discussion. Anyone else who would like a copy (in Word/Win) >> > please write me as the list doesn't allow attachments (for good >> reason). >> > >> > --Derick >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Charlotte Hughes, The David Cline who married Sarah Salome Carpenter was un-identified when I wrote my book, Carpenters A Plenty. Since that time George Cline Jr. wrote the Cline History. In it he argues rather persuasively that David Cline was the son of Boston Cline Jr. and wife Margaret Ramsour. The reason for the mix up in previous histories involves the fact that Boston Cline Jr. ran off with Hannah Fry Burns, wife of Conrad Burns. There is sufficient documentation to determine that this did occur. They went to Georgia and Hannah Fry Burns had two children with Boston Jr. and ended up returning to Lincoln Co., NC. These circumstances explain the confusion about this David Cline. I knew that David was not the son of whomever (I cannot remember right now) that Ciscero Cline had claimed in his research. But I was never able to figure out who. I accept the research of George Cline Jr. in this respect. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Hughes" <clhughes@embarqmail.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > Derick, do these references include David Cline (1766-1828 who married > Sarah Salome Carpenter? I have a question mark beside the parents as being > Christopher Cline and Margaret Ramsaur.- I am also trying to verify that > John Cline (1790-1845) who married Catherine Mull is their son. Any help > is > appreciated. Charlotte---- Original Message ----- > From: "Derick Hartshorn" <DerickH@charter.net> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Cline > > > > At 11:47 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: > >>What does this mean then, Jerry, in re: Thomas Cline who married > >>Sarah "Whoever" in 1825?? In that he was not yet married, he is not > >>likely to be on the 1820 census as head of household, and we know he > >>was in Bond County, Illinois by 1830.? Do you?find any men on 1820 > >>Lincoln?census named Henry Cline in whose household there is a male > >>of the age of about 20 years?? (Sometimes, Kline or Klein).? ? I > >>know I didn't dream all this, but I don't now have any hard copy or > >>computerized records dealing with the research done years ago in this > regard.?? > >>Alta > > > > I have limited research on this line as I have tried to focus my > > efforts on Catawba County families. Since this family removed from > > here, I only recorded a generation or two. Since this discussion, I > > have relied on George Cline's book, "The Cline Families of North > > Carolina 1750-1860 And Their European Ancestry, 1580-1750". I have > > composed a report on three generations of "Hog Henry" Cline's family > > with as much accuracy as I can muster. Since many of the references > > come from Ciscero Cline, let the reader beware. > > > > I am sending this report directly to those who have participated in > > the discussion. Anyone else who would like a copy (in Word/Win) > > please write me as the list doesn't allow attachments (for good > reason). > > > > --Derick > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Ms. Durden, I do not have any information about a Henry/Heinrich Cline/Klein who had a son named Thomas. "Hog" Henry Cline who married Elizabeth Carpenter did not have a son named Thomas according to my research, the research of Cicero Cline, and George Cline Jr. in his recent book. I do not have a copy of the Cline book but have some xerox copies of pages. I do not locate the Henry Cline you mention or a Thomas Cline. But that information could be in that book somewhere else. George Cline appears to have done a good job detailing a very difficult family to document. He debunked many of the misinformation and myths surrounding this family through logic and documentation. I am very sorry that I cannot assist you. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alta Mitchem Durden" <altamdurden@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Mr. Carpenter: > > Do you have any information in your records pertaining to Henry Cline > (Heinrich Klein/Kline/Cline), said to have been born in Germany and/or > his son, Thomas Cline, born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1800, > who, for a time lived in Lincoln County, North Carolina where Thomas > Cline, in 1825, married Sally or Sarah Mitchum, before removing to Bond > County, Illinois where the couple owned real property, lived and raised > their family, died and are buried in separate cemeteries in Shelby > County, Illinois (Sarah Cline, d. 1887), and Bond County, Illinois > (Thomas Cline, d. 1868)? > > Thank you. > > Alta Mitchum Durden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> > To: nclincol@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 1:08 pm > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > > > It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized > names > because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had > supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the > pioneer > Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in > Pennsylvania and > in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was > Reinau. > The family had its roots in Switzerland. > > When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there > may > be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. > > The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so > many of > our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, > and > the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by > any of > these other languages. > > By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the > past > few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. > But > it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I > did > not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, > Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. > > Just some food for thought. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter > inLancaster Co. PA ... > > >> Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and > translated >> names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they > are a >> derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger > and >> Yonker. >> >> >> In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: >> >> My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter >> >> My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. >> >> Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to > Plonk; >> Rein >> to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. >> >> While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and > Freytag >> were >> translated. >> >> Robert Carpenter >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> >> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in >> Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. >> >> >>> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >>> changed; it was converted to English. >>> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >>> Taylor. >>> >>> >>> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>>> Alta: >>>> >>>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA > as >>>> well >>>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, > and it >>>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed > its >>>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not > aware >>>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they > were all >>>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. 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Mr. Carpenter: Do you have any information in your records pertaining to Henry Cline (Heinrich Klein/Kline/Cline), said to have been born in Germany and/or his son, Thomas Cline, born in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in 1800, who, for a time lived in Lincoln County, North Carolina where Thomas Cline, in 1825, married Sally or Sarah Mitchum, before removing to Bond County, Illinois where the couple owned real property, lived and raised their family, died and are buried in separate cemeteries in Shelby County, Illinois (Sarah Cline, d. 1887), and Bond County, Illinois (Thomas Cline, d. 1868)? Thank you. Alta Mitchum Durden -----Original Message----- From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: nclincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized names because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the pioneer Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in Pennsylvania and in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was Reinau. The family had its roots in Switzerland. When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there may be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so many of our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, and the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by any of these other languages. By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the past few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. But it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I did not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. Just some food for thought. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated > names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a > derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and > Yonker. > > > In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: > > My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter > > My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. > > Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; > Rein > to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. > > While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag > were > translated. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in > Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > > >> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >> changed; it was converted to English. >> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >> Taylor. >> >> >> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>> Alta: >>> >>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as >>> well >>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >>> >>> Richard >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. 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It would be very difficult to compose a thorough book on Anglicized names because of the numerous variations. For example, the Rhyne family had supposed that the original surname was Rein since that is how the pioneer Jacob and others signed their name. Only after research in Pennsylvania and in Germany did researchers discover that the original surname was Reinau. The family had its roots in Switzerland. When ever a researcher suggests an Anglicized name, be aware that there may be other variations which that researcher may not be aware of. The site Kathy offered will assist in German to English names but so many of our German speaking ancestors spent time in Switzerland, Alsace, Pfalz, and the Dutch states. Their name variations could have been affected by any of these other languages. By the way I have been doing research in Alsace parish records over the past few years. Alsacian is a Germanic language which is now almost dead. But it existed as a separate language separate from German and French. I did not know that and assumed that the languages of Alsace were German, Swiss-German (which often varies from German), and French. Just some food for thought. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter inLancaster Co. PA ... > Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated > names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a > derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and > Yonker. > > > In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: > > My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter > > My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. > > Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; > Rein > to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. > > While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag > were > translated. > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> > To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in > Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > > >> In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not >> changed; it was converted to English. >> Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and >> Taylor. >> >> >> rricabee@aol.com wrote: >>> Alta: >>> >>> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as >>> well >>> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >>> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >>> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >>> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >>> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >>> >>> Richard >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are many German help articles and books. Here is one about surnames: http://german.about.com/library/blsurname01.htm A Google search produces many leads. Mbmackie1231@aol.com wrote: > Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated > names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a > derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and Yonker. > > > In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: > > My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter > > My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. > > Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; Rein > to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. > > While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag were > translated. > > Robert Carpenter >

Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and Yonker. In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; Rein to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag were translated. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not > changed; it was converted to English. > Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and > Taylor. > > > rricabee@aol.com wrote: >> Alta: >> >> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well >> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >> >> Richard >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

thanks Kathy for the link to the germans name meanings Debra Just so the list knows Klein can also mean little ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: [NCLINCOL] German surnames/English equivalents > There are many German help articles and books. Here is one about > surnames: http://german.about.com/library/blsurname01.htm > A Google search produces many leads. > > > Mbmackie1231@aol.com wrote: >> Is it possible somebody has written a book on anglicized and translated >> names? It would help to be able to reference names to see if they are a >> derivative. I'm a Younger descendant, and Younger was also Yuenger and >> Yonker. >> >> > >> In a message dated 2/16/2008 7:53:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> rcarpenter2@charter.net writes: >> >> My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter >> >> My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. >> >> Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; >> Rein >> to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. >> >> While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag >> were >> translated. >> >> Robert Carpenter >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lynne Miller Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.lincoln/4016.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know of several Kidd that married Ballards but, I'm not familiar with a Kids family. Sorry. I just don't have that information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcline_1 Surnames: Ballard, Kids Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.lincoln/4016.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have any info on a Ballard woman in Lincoln Co.NC who married a Kids (possibly Daniel)in the 1820s or 30s. They had a son William Sidney Kids b.1834(my great grandfather) who owned the genral store in Denver and was once mayor. Thanks- Julie Cline Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My father's family had a translated name: Zimmerman to Carpenter My mother's family also had a translated name: Freytag to Friday. Other Germans in my family are Anglicized names like Blanck to Plonk; Rein to Rhyne; Bosshaar to Pasour; Kayser to Kiser, etc. While most German names were Anglicized some like Zimmerman and Freytag were translated. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Gunter Sullivan" <sully1@carolina.rr.com> To: <nclincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well as in Lincoln Co. NC. > In the German language zimmerman means carpenter. The name was not > changed; it was converted to English. > Another example, schnider means tailor. This converted to Snider and > Taylor. > > > rricabee@aol.com wrote: >> Alta: >> >> The surname of Zimmerman changed to Carpenter in Lancaster Co. PA as well >> as in Lincoln Co. NC.? I have an antiquarian?book on the Swiss, and it >> tells how a Zimmerman family who immigrated in the 1700's changed its >> surname, and I think it was shortly after arriving here.? I'm not aware >> of when these names were switched in NC, but its possible they were all >> the same family group and originated from Lancaster Co. PA? >> >> Richard >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >