This can only be done by a Male in the family. It is said they tried to keep this gene pure and were very selective as to whom they married. I am just getting more info on this myself. I was not expecting to find this at all.

I believe that all Indian uprisings on the Carolina frontier occurred before 1762. I know of no documented cases of Indian attacks against white settlements after that date. --Derick At 02:39 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote: >This Indian story strikes me as strange, how many hostile Indians where >there in NC at that time, and if they did capture anyone why weren't they >pursued promptly. NC was not exactly an isolated wilderness by then, was it? > >Perhaps someone wiser than I can jump in here and help make things more >clear - Derick do you know anything about this, I know you have taken a look >at some of the Indian happenings in the area. > >Agnes C. > > > >On 12/14/04 3:00 AM, "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:34:08 EST > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Andrew PIERCE > > > > I am interested in the Andrew PIERCE family of Lincoln Co, NC. Andrew can > > be found in the 1830 and 1840 census enumerations of that county, but > not in > > the 1850. Family stories tell that James Andrew PIERCE and a brother were > > captured by indians while the family was killed. Later James escaped and > > ended > > up in TX via AL. Has anyone every seen or heard of a story in the area > > concerning brothers captured by indians. James was born around > 1827 and I do > > not > > know at what age they were when captured. The 1830 census shows two males > > 0-5 (1825-1830) while the 1840 census shows 1 male 0-5 and 1 male 10-15 > > (1835-1840 & 1825-1830). > > > > Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > >==== NCLINCOL Mailing List ==== >==== LINCOLN Co., NC Mailing List ==== >Sharing information on Historic Lincoln Co., NC >For further info, see www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/nclincoln.htm >Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page

If anyone is interested in the DNA test for a 25 point marker it cost about 170 dollars, best money I ever spent. Although the first 12 marker test that is 99 dollars will show this DYS19b y cromozone, It is between the 3rd and 4th marker in the test. It will only be there if you are fromeither the Amerindians or the Priestly Jews. There are suspose to be about 10 lost tribes of people from Iseral that they do not know where they ended up. So its most likely there were some of the Melungeon people. I will know more in a few days as to the facts about this hertiage. Other DNA will be in at that time. If you are interested in this test for your research please contact me, I will be more than happy to give you the info. I am sure our ancestors did not expect for our research to go to these extremes and had no idea what we would uncover by this DNA.

My husband has just done the DNA for the Harbinson group of Catawba/Lincoln County, It was to determine if the Burke and this county was related. But when his DNA came back it carrys a very rare DYS19B Y-Cromozone in it. The Melungeon people also carry this gene. The Universary of Arizone did this DNA and His is the only one they have ever found in all the DNA they have done for these projects. It would be interesting if other Lincoln and Catawba County groups would do some DNA test to see if that gene is there. Especially the Ikerds and spellings there of, since his ggggrandmother was an Ikerd. We are waiting on some of the others DNA to come back to determine the origin of this gene. But it has thrown this research in a tail spin to say the least. These people were suspose to have married into the Cherokee and possible Lumbee Indians on the coast. As a joke my husband always said he was part Lumbee and when this came back I almost passed out. So even though you may think y! ou know who you are with this Family Tree DNA project you to may be in total shock when you find out things like this. The possibilites of this gene was carried my these people and by High Priestly Jews from Iseral 3,300 years ago. So now I am not sure who I am marrried to. Only 5 percent of the Jews in the world carry his gene so it is a very special thing. Our research indicate this line came from Ireland but now with what we have found all bets are off.

In a message dated 12/14/2004 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Almost any family lore that includes Indian relationships or experiences requires cautious (skeptical) examination. Kathy Sullivan ********************************************* This, I agree with. Although I am a believer that in cases of genealogical and Ancestor hunting, the phrase or quote of "Where there's smoke there's fire" would definitely apply, I too believe it must be approached with caution and open-mindedness. My family, both sides, have told stories over the years of our Indian heritage. I do believe there is Indian blood, but do I believe it exactly as it has been carried? No. I believe you have to look under stones not yet turned over. I believe you have to definitely read between the lines. Go places no one else has gone. All of this is necessary in tracking down Indian Ancestors. Even then, there is a strong possibility that what you know in your heart to be true, may never be proven. There were too many secrets. Too much shame placed. Too much running from the truth. Crystal Murphy Lincoln Co. NC Descendant Wandering around in search of lost Ancestors

In a message dated 12/14/2004 10:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In 1782 Rev. War soldier Thomas Martin was involved in the removal of Indians from nearby areas but he built his home in the SW corner of old Lincoln County and I believe all Indians must have been gone before 1800 and probably earlier than that in the Lincolnton area. *************************************************** Where did they go?

In 1782 Rev. War soldier Thomas Martin was involved in the removal of Indians from nearby areas but he built his home in the SW corner of old Lincoln County and I believe all Indians must have been gone before 1800 and probably earlier than that in the Lincolnton area. *************************************************** Where did they go? Here is a portion of Thomas Martin's pension application. I'll let you draw your own conclusions. 5. He enumerated several regular offices vez General Green. Capt. Jones, & Col. Thomas Wade. He does not recollect any of the Continental or Militia regiments of what transpired during his service. "He recollects as being upon scouting parties to after General Green removed his army: which he says was after the battle of Cow-Penns, he was employed under Col. Thomas Wade gathering Cattle and Hogs for General Green's Army. After being Discharged from the service of Capt. Jones, he again volunteered in the service of the United States under the command of Capt. Shuford, in Lincoln County, and proceeded from thence to the plains and Ga_dens and from thence to the Cherokee Nation then burn their houses and destroy their corn. The principle commanders being General McDowel Col. McDowel. _______ as far as the middle settlement of the Cherokee Nation and _______ his served as a Volun in the united states army. amounting to about six months.

My reaction is the same as Agnes and Jeff. Capture by Indians in 1830/1840 Lincoln County, North Carolina, would be so extraordinary that it would not be forgotten in county histories. Perhaps family tradition has co-mingled several generations. Or perhaps the brothers were captured somewhere AFTER leaving Lincoln County. Almost any family lore that includes Indian relationships or experiences requires cautious (skeptical) examination. Kathy Sullivan Agnes wrote: >This Indian story strikes me as strange, how many hostile Indians where >there in NC at that time, and if they did capture anyone why weren't they >pursued promptly. NC was not exactly an isolated wilderness by then, was it? > >Perhaps someone wiser than I can jump in here and help make things more >clear - Derick do you know anything about this, I know you have taken a look >at some of the Indian happenings in the area. > >Agnes C. > >>From: [email protected] >>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:34:08 EST >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Andrew PIERCE >> >>I am interested in the Andrew PIERCE family of Lincoln Co, NC. Andrew can >>be found in the 1830 and 1840 census enumerations of that county, but not in >>the 1850. Family stories tell that James Andrew PIERCE and a brother were >>captured by indians while the family was killed. Later James escaped and >>ended up in TX via AL. Has anyone every seen or heard of a story in the area >>concerning brothers captured by indians. James was born around 1827 and I do >>not know at what age they were when captured. The 1830 census shows two males >>0-5 (1825-1830) while the 1840 census shows 1 male 0-5 and 1 male 10-15 >>(1835-1840 & 1825-1830). >> >> >>

I agree... In 1782 Rev. War soldier Thomas Martin was involved in the removal of Indians from nearby areas but he built his home in the SW corner of old Lincoln County and I believe all Indians must have been gone before 1800 and probably earlier than that in the Lincolnton area. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Agnes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NCLINCOLN] Indian capture This Indian story strikes me as strange, how many hostile Indians where there in NC at that time, and if they did capture anyone why weren't they pursued promptly. NC was not exactly an isolated wilderness by then, was it? Perhaps someone wiser than I can jump in here and help make things more clear - Derick do you know anything about this, I know you have taken a look at some of the Indian happenings in the area. Agnes C. On 12/14/04 3:00 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:34:08 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Andrew PIERCE > > I am interested in the Andrew PIERCE family of Lincoln Co, NC. Andrew can > be found in the 1830 and 1840 census enumerations of that county, but not in > the 1850. Family stories tell that James Andrew PIERCE and a brother were > captured by indians while the family was killed. Later James escaped and > ended > up in TX via AL. Has anyone every seen or heard of a story in the area > concerning brothers captured by indians. James was born around 1827 and I do > not > know at what age they were when captured. The 1830 census shows two males > 0-5 (1825-1830) while the 1840 census shows 1 male 0-5 and 1 male 10-15 > (1835-1840 & 1825-1830). > > Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. ==== NCLINCOL Mailing List ==== ==== LINCOLN Co., NC Mailing List ==== Sharing information on Historic Lincoln Co., NC For further info, see www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/nclincoln.htm Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page

This Indian story strikes me as strange, how many hostile Indians where there in NC at that time, and if they did capture anyone why weren't they pursued promptly. NC was not exactly an isolated wilderness by then, was it? Perhaps someone wiser than I can jump in here and help make things more clear - Derick do you know anything about this, I know you have taken a look at some of the Indian happenings in the area. Agnes C. On 12/14/04 3:00 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:34:08 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Andrew PIERCE > > I am interested in the Andrew PIERCE family of Lincoln Co, NC. Andrew can > be found in the 1830 and 1840 census enumerations of that county, but not in > the 1850. Family stories tell that James Andrew PIERCE and a brother were > captured by indians while the family was killed. Later James escaped and > ended > up in TX via AL. Has anyone every seen or heard of a story in the area > concerning brothers captured by indians. James was born around 1827 and I do > not > know at what age they were when captured. The 1830 census shows two males > 0-5 (1825-1830) while the 1840 census shows 1 male 0-5 and 1 male 10-15 > (1835-1840 & 1825-1830). > > Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I am interested in the Andrew PIERCE family of Lincoln Co, NC. Andrew can be found in the 1830 and 1840 census enumerations of that county, but not in the 1850. Family stories tell that James Andrew PIERCE and a brother were captured by indians while the family was killed. Later James escaped and ended up in TX via AL. Has anyone every seen or heard of a story in the area concerning brothers captured by indians. James was born around 1827 and I do not know at what age they were when captured. The 1830 census shows two males 0-5 (1825-1830) while the 1840 census shows 1 male 0-5 and 1 male 10-15 (1835-1840 & 1825-1830). Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/877.1019.32.1372.2 Message Board Post: Cheryl, my mother's side of family: Whisenhunts, in Pike/Howard County Arkansas, near New Hope. Any connection? My grandfather had a brother:Joseph Adam born:Feb.3,1881, I believe he was called "Joe". Please email me if you have any connection or further info.Thanks! [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2394 Message Board Post: On Sunday, December 12, 2004, Broad River Genealogical Society welcomes Sam Lail and friends. Sam is a Civil War Re-enactor who has performed throughout North and South Carolina and other states. He has also appeared in several movies. Also, Rusty Patterson will be bringing a new group of old photos. He needs help in identifying people. Everyone interested in local and family history is welcome to join Broad River members on Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 3 p.m. You are invited to dress in Civil War attire or another period or just dress casual! Bring a pick up food, as this is a Christmas Social! Bring a friend! Bring yourself! First five people to arrive will receive an extra ticket for the door prize drawing. The meeting will be in the Dining Area of the Neal Senior Center on H.T. Harris Drive, Shelby, which is just off of Hwy 18 near Ross Grove Baptist Church and Ingles, north of the city limits. The meeting will be held in the Performing Arts Area at the rear of the Neal Senior Center. Cleveland County NC Heritage Books, Volume II will be available after the meeting.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Meyers/Myers/Moyers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/iVB.2ACI/1447.1 Message Board Post: I am researching Elias brother John. I have Elias wife as Elizabeth Gartner. That he came from Germany to US via PA. They were married in Lancaster, York Co PA and that he died in Lincoln Co., NC That's all I have, hope it helps.

Ann K Propst wrote: >Hi, > >I need clarification as to the identity of the following entry in the >1939 WPA Cemetery Survey of Cleveland County, NC on page 221 that are >buried in Mt. Zion Baptist Church Cemetery near Cherryville, Gaston >County, NC- > >Carpenter, Mechal Mary Carpenter (No dates) > >Possibilities might be: > >Michael Carpenter b. 1760-after 11 Dec. 1824 and Mary Cherry b. c. >1765-d. 1818-1820 both died in present day Cleveland County, NC > "Michael Carpenter b-about 1760, d-after Dec. 11, 1824, married abt 1786 Mary Cherry, b-abt. 1765, d-prob. bet. 1810-1820." [Burial sites not identified.] Robert C. Carpenter, Carpenters A Plenty (1993) pages 126-130. [Descendants continue on numerous pages.] >Another possibility might be: > >Michael Carpenter b. bef. 1850 and Mary Elizabeth Roberts b. 8 Mar >1847-d. 22 Dec. 1908 & buried in Cherryville, Gaston Co., NC > "Michael Carpenter b-Dec. 15, 1846, d-after 1880, m-Mary Elizabeth Roberts, b-Mar. 8, 1847, d-Dec. 22, 1903, both bur. St. Johns Luth. Ch. Cem. Cherryville." Robert C. Carpenter, Carpenters A Plenty (1993) page 306. [Descendants continue on numerous pages.] >These folks might be in "Carpenters A Plenty" of which I do not have access to. > >Ann Propst, Brevard, NC > >

Hi, I need clarification as to the identity of the following entry in the 1939 WPA Cemetery Survey of Cleveland County, NC on page 221 that are buried in Mt. Zion Baptist Church Cemetery near Cherryville, Gaston County, NC- Carpenter, Mechal Mary Carpenter (No dates) Possibilities might be: Michael Carpenter b. 1760-after 11 Dec. 1824 and Mary Cherry b. c. 1765-d. 1818-1820 both died in present day Cleveland County, NC Another possibility might be: Michael Carpenter b. bef. 1850 and Mary Elizabeth Roberts b. 8 Mar 1847-d. 22 Dec. 1908 & buried in Cherryville, Gaston Co., NC These folks might be in "Carpenters A Plenty" of which I do not have access to. Ann Propst, Brevard, NC

Are there any updates on Lincoln Co., NC Vol. 2 completion date? Also, how about the campaign to reprint Vol. 1 Lincoln Co., NC - Heritage (1997)?. We have a number of friends who would like to purchase that book! P.P. Bailey, Jr. --- On Sun 10/17, Elizabeth Lankford < [email protected] > wrote: From: Elizabeth Lankford [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected]: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:10:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [NCLINCOLN] Lincoln County Heritage Volume II - Published yet? I contacted the Lincoln County Historical Association a while back with the same question about the publication of Vol II. I was told that it had been delayed and have since received a postcard confirming my payment for the book--and they hope to have the book completed soon (they had extended the article submission deadline to 9/1/04). The contact information is: Jason L. Harpe at 748-9090 or [email protected] Elizabeth Lankford --- On Sun 10/10, Judith Parker-Proctor < [email protected] > wrote: From: Judith Parker-Proctor [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:10:56 -0400 Subject: [NCLINCOLN] Lincoln County Heritage Volume II - Published yet? Does anyone know if the Lincoln County Heritage Volume II has been published yet? The website was taken down quite a while back, but I've heard nothing from the order I placed long ago. Judy ==== LINCOLN Co., NC Mailing List ==== Sharing information on Historic Lincoln Co., NC For further info, see www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/nclincoln.htm Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2393.1 Message Board Post: Do you have information to the effect that the Brevards of Lincoln County were in the maternal ancestry line of Richard Brevard Russell, of Georgia's Supreme Court (and of his son, RBR, Junior), Governor of Georgia and United States Senator from that State?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brevard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2393 Message Board Post: I am researching the Brevards that were in the iron ore business. I have lots of info on this family from when they were in Loncoln County but need info on them before they came to NC. Any info is appreciated! Vicki Turner

It was not necessarily an indication of his place of origin, most communities regularly used currency from European countries since in 1775 there was no USA and each state or community used whatever monies they could get their hands on in their trade. Some even used Indian wampum, or such like. Owen Murphy apparently had on hand some shillings and shared them in his will. Agnes C. On 12/6/04 9:00 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:28:53 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCLINCOLN] Re: Calling ALL MURPHYs > > Owen Murphy, Will dated December 1775 - Lincoln Co., NC ......... he > mentions "one shilling of Old England" .........would that indicate his > origin?