This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2425 Message Board Post: Anyone having any information on Sibley Ernest Oakes born in Lincoln County, NC in the late 1800's, please contact me.

EARLY CHURCHES WEST OF THE CATAWBA RIVER I am making a list of locations where the early settlers began to meet in order to provide them with their Religious needs. There is no doubt that as long as I work to attempt to cover all the individual Congregations and locations I may find another group that needs to at least be mentioned. There is no publication or listing that I have found which covers the early Lutheran and German Reformed Churches as they were formed in this area of western North Carolina. Chapter - 1. Beaver Dam - St. Marks , Crouse, N.C. Chapter - 2. Bethel Lutheran Church, Iron Station, N.C. Chapter - 3. White Haven, Lowesville, N.C.(1794) Chapter - 4. St. James Lutheran, North of Cherryville, Lincoln County. Chapter - 5. Luther's Chapel, on Highway 321 North of Lincolnton, N.C. Chapter - 6. Haas Church - St. James Lutheran Church, South East of Newton, N.C. The Reformed Members organized Grace Reformed Church in Newton, N.C. Chapter - 7. Old Salem, Catawba County, N.C. The Cemetery for this Church is located south of River Bend Road between Bethel Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) and Highway NC 16 North of Conover. This location is just south of the Catawba River at the head-waters of Lake Look Out. Chapter - 8. Salem, North of Taylorsville, N.C. Chapter - 9. St. Luke's Lutheran, north of Kings Mountain, N.C. Chapter - 10. South Fork - St. Paul's Lutheran-Reformed, Newton, N.C.(1768) Chapter - 11. Concordia Lutheran, Conover, N.C. Chapter - 12. St. John's Lutheran, Conover, N.C. North of Conover, N.C. Chapter - 13, Bethel Lutheran, Claremont, N.C. Chapter - 14. St. Peters Lutheran, Conover, N.C. Chapter - 15. St. Paul's Lutheran, Alamance County, N.C. Historian R.D.W. Conner states that there was at least one Lutheran Congregation on Haw River as early as 1745. (North Carolina) Vol. I. p. 159. Chapter - 16.Low's Lutheran, Burlington, N.C. (1745) Chapter - 17.Frieden's Lutheran, Gibsonville, N.C. (1745) Chapter - 18. St. John's Church, Buffalo Creek, Cabarrus County, N.C. (1745) Chapter - 19. Bethel Church, near Long Shoals, N.C. (1790) Chapter - 20. Daniel's Lincoln County, N.C. (1774) Chapter - 21. White Church - Emmanuel Lutheran, Lincolnton, N.C. (1787) Chapter - 22. Grace, Catawba County (1797) Chapter - 23. Kastners - Philadelphia, Gaston County (1767) Chapter - 24. Salem, Lincoln County (1796) (Located on the Present Startown road. Chapter - 25. St. John's Catawba County (1799) Chapter - 26. Lebanon -St. Luke's - Ore Bank Lincoln County Chapter - 27. Zion, Catawba County, N.C. (1790) Chapter - 28. St. Matthews Reformed, located South-East of Maiden, N.C. I welcome you to share with me any information about members of your family who was active in any of these early congregations as well as others that might be added to this list. I have some publications from the Lutheran and the Reformed Churches of North Carolina. I will be happy to include your name and give proper credit for information received. Thank you in advance for your assistance in this project. Pat C. Cloninger

Sandra, I noticed one of your surnames was Ichard and I am researching the Ikerd family from Lincoln County and some times I have found it spelled Ichard so I was wondering if you would tell me a little something about your family so I can see if we are researching the same ones? Thanks. Roberta Summers

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilkie, Rhoney, Burns, Hicks, Ichard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iVB.2ACI/1489.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey, I don't think I ever saw this message. You are right, John Franklin and Sarah Catherine are my gr gr grandparents. I think I posted in my original query that Wade left the family and became a carpenter, I had that mixed up he worked in a sawmill and died somewhere in AL. My other grandfather was the carpenter. Would be interested in seeing whatelse you have on the Rhoney family. Sandra

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rhoney, Wilkie, Hicks,Burns Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iVB.2ACI/1489.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Denise, are you still out there? I just noticed your posting and didn't know if you had ever found the info you were looking for? I am currently working on putting my Rhoney material in the computer, so if you are still interested contact me. Sandra

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Keener, Sikes Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iVB.2ACI/2424 Message Board Post: I'm not related to the following people, and have no further information about them, but I thought this may be of interest to someone: Tuesday, February 9, 1904, THE MONROE JOURNAL (Union County, N.C.) -Mr. and Mrs. W. N. KEENER of Lincolnton, who were married last Tuesday at Wake Forest, stopped over and spent a day with their friend, Mr. J. C. SIKES, Jr., on their way to Lincolnton. More NC newspaper abstracts can be found on my website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jganis/unionco/newspapers.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Goin, Goins, Going, Goings, Goening, Goeings, Goen, and Goens. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/iVB.2ACI/2423 Message Board Post: Goin, Goins, Going, Goings, Goening, Goeings, Goen, and Goens. Must be Male with the above Surnames to take the yDNA test. 12 marker, 25 marker or 37 marker tests. For more detailed information please see the following links. www.geocities.com/goinsdnaproject http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K83448&special=true

Hi, In the 1790 Census, Cheraw District, SC is listed John Punch, age 16 or over, single, no slaves. Does anyone have access to the 1800 and 1810 censuses of SC to see if a John Punch or descendants might be listed? This John might be a son, brother or close relative of Thomas [Puntch] Punch 1755-1811 (wife Jane Hennon 1758-1841--her brother, William Hennon 1753-1824 also buried at St. Paul's) of now Newton, Catawba Co., NC & buried in Old St. Paul's Church Cemetery. The Puntch or Punch surname was rare at this point in time. Originally it is believed this family came from Holland per family stories. However, it has not been verified. This is my husband, Sid's maternal ancestry. Any help will be deeply appreciated on the early history of this family as to where, when, etc. they arrived in Colonial U.S. Thanks. Ann K. Propst Brevard, NC

Hello, My name is Virginia STANTON CUNNINGHAM. I am seeking information about my great Great Grandmother, Cynthia DAMERON GLENN. Cynthia md. David GLENN 30 Aug 1839 in Lincoln Co., NC. After David's death Cynthia md another North Carolinian, Henry Melvin in IL. I would love to be able to find the names of her parents. I appreceate any help you may give me. Thanks, Virginia [email protected]

Write or call the Roane County, Tennessee, Register of Deeds to purchase the 1925 marriage record. You'll also have to do some census research for 1910 and 1920 (if you haven't already). I notice on the 1930 census that Charles O. Robinson Jr. is shown as born in Tennessee and both parents born Tennessee (could be a mistake as we all know from census research). [email protected] wrote: >Hi, I'm trying to find my Grandfather ROBINSON and his ancestors. The only information I have on him is limited. His name was Charles Olan ROBINSON. According to the information that I have on my father's birth certificate (for Charles Olan ROBINSON, Jr.), Charles Olan ROBINSON was born about 1903, somewhere in North Carolina. He was living in Roane County, TN, at least by 1925, when he met and married my Grandmother, Bonnie Pauline DEVANEY. > >I'm afraid that I do not know his exact date of birth or death, nor his parents' names, nor whether he had any siblings. However, Charles Olan is a rather unusual combination. Can anyone help me? Thanks. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROBINSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2422 Message Board Post: Hi, I'm trying to find my Grandfather ROBINSON and his ancestors. The only information I have on him is limited. His name was Charles Olan ROBINSON. According to the information that I have on my father's birth certificate (for Charles Olan ROBINSON, Jr.), Charles Olan ROBINSON was born about 1903, somewhere in North Carolina. He was living in Roane County, TN, at least by 1925, when he met and married my Grandmother, Bonnie Pauline DEVANEY. I'm afraid that I do not know his exact date of birth or death, nor his parents' names, nor whether he had any siblings. However, Charles Olan is a rather unusual combination. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

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Vernor, I checked an index to Lincoln County bastardy bonds and did not find one for a Charles Turner or for any Lay woman. The bonds are not complete, of course. The first order regarding the Lay children was on the January 1818 minute docket and read "Patsy Lays four [children]". The next order was the one you located in July 1818. I searched my transcription of the 1819 sessions, and did not find a mention. There "should be" some later mention of the children, but sometimes there simply isn't. You still need to read the later court minutes to be sure there isn't another item about the children. You could inquire at North Carolina State Archives for Lincoln County apprentice bonds for the Lay children. Guardian bonds are worth a try, too. You can e-mail your inquiry to [email protected] Send one inquiry for apprentice bonds and a separate inquiry for guardian bonds. Include your name and mailing address because that is how the Archives will respond. You know, of course, that being summoned to court about the children does not in itself mean the children were illegitimate. It only indicates that there is some doubt about Patsy Lay's abilitity to provide for the children. I gather your Elijah Lay was born 1800/1802? Did the family stay in Lincoln County? Kathy Gunter Sullivan Vernor Harris wrote: >I have been searching for the parents of my gg-grandfather Elijah Harris since 1949. > >I THINK I may have found them. I believe my Elijah Harris is the illegitimate son of Charles Turner and Patsey Lay. y-DNA indicates that his father was a Turner, and this event happened at the correct time and place. > >Reference the below information. Does anyone have ANY information on the disposition of Patsey Lay's children as a result of this court action indicated below? Were they bound out or a guardian assigned? If so, who were they bound to or the guardian assigned? My Elijah would have been 16-18 years old at the time. Patsey had at least 2 boys in this age group at this time. > >If you do not have any information, can you suggest where I might look preferably on line? (I don’t get around very well.) Any help will be appreciated. > >Vernor > >Excerpts from Minutes of Lincoln County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions >North Carolina Archives C.060.30003 >Transcription by Kathy Gunter Sullivan,December 2000 > >July Sessions 1818 > >Miscellaneous Orders. >Ordered by the Court that the Sheriff bring the following children to next Court to be dealt with as the law directs - > >Patsey Lay & her children >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2420 Message Board Post: Looking for marriage record for Eliza Jonas married Stephen Green abt. 1865. Eliza was the dau. of John and Eliza Saine Jonas. Eliza was born in Lincoln County abt. 1841. Any information on these 2 would be appreciated.

I wish to thank everyone who has responded. I have done a lot of this work, but you have given me more ideas on what I should be searching for. I knew I could count on you to help. Thanks again and hopefully I will be able to pass my work on for others who may have this same problem. Joyce - - - - - - - - - - [email protected] wrote: > If "everyone" says something but how they know isn't stated, then they > probably DON'T know. That means you'll have to do the digging yourself. > > I agree with Agnes' recommendations. Also, I would assemble all the > censuses for the Ballards, Hawkins, and Miars/Myers, observing the > changes in the households, and also observing the neighbors. I'd be > looking at marriage records for Ballards and Miars/Myers to see who > were their associates. I'd be looking at bastardy bonds, > apprenticeships, county court minutes, wills, death records, deeds, > tax lists, Heritage books, family histories, and anything else I could > find to help put the family together. At that point, "everyone" will > be asking for your advice on the family. > > Kathy > > Joyce Graham wrote: > >> Need help. >> >> John Ballard (b.1795) and Katie Meiers (b.1800) married March 8, 1921 >> in Lincoln County, NC. They had two sons: John Franklin Ballard (July >> 30,1821- June 24, 1898) and Benjamin Hawkins Ballard (April 13, 1827 >> - November 5, 1905). Everyone tells me that John Franklin Ballard was >> fathered by a man named Hawkins who returned to England, abandoning >> his wife and unborn son. What is the basis for this information? I'm >> not disputing the fact, just want proof. And, why did she name her >> second son Benjamin Hawkins Ballard? >> >> John Ballard's first wife was Salley Childress (marr November 1, >> 1815). Supposedly he married his second wife, Katie(or Catey) Meiers, >> because he needed someone to take care of his children and she needed >> someone to be the father of her bastard son. Who were his children by >> Sally Childress? >> >> The second son, Benjamin Hawkins Ballard, was in the 1900 Lincoln >> County, NC, census listed as "brother-in-law to Sallie L McMinn", >> wife of John Franklin Ballard. >> >> Joyce Graham >> > > > > > > ==== NCLINCOL Mailing List ==== > ==== LINCOLN Co., NC Mailing List ==== > Sharing information on Historic Lincoln Co., NC > For further info, see www.rootsweb.com/~nclincol/nclincoln.htm > Our thanks to RootsWeb for hosting this list and web page > >

I have been searching for the parents of my gg-grandfather Elijah Harris since 1949. I THINK I may have found them. I believe my Elijah Harris is the illegitimate son of Charles Turner and Patsey Lay. y-DNA indicates that his father was a Turner, and this event happened at the correct time and place. Reference the below information. Does anyone have ANY information on the disposition of Patsey Lay's children as a result of this court action indicated below? Were they bound out or a guardian assigned? If so, who were they bound to or the guardian assigned? My Elijah would have been 16-18 years old at the time. Patsey had at least 2 boys in this age group at this time. If you do not have any information, can you suggest where I might look preferably on line? (I don�t get around very well.) Any help will be appreciated. Vernor Excerpts from Minutes of Lincoln County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions North Carolina Archives C.060.30003 Verbatim transcription by Kathy Gunter Sullivan, December 2000 July Sessions 1818 Miscellaneous Orders. Ordered by the Court that the Sheriff bring the following children to next Court to be dealt with as the law directs - Patsey Lay & her children

If "everyone" says something but how they know isn't stated, then they probably DON'T know. That means you'll have to do the digging yourself. I agree with Agnes' recommendations. Also, I would assemble all the censuses for the Ballards, Hawkins, and Miars/Myers, observing the changes in the households, and also observing the neighbors. I'd be looking at marriage records for Ballards and Miars/Myers to see who were their associates. I'd be looking at bastardy bonds, apprenticeships, county court minutes, wills, death records, deeds, tax lists, Heritage books, family histories, and anything else I could find to help put the family together. At that point, "everyone" will be asking for your advice on the family. Kathy Joyce Graham wrote: > Need help. > > John Ballard (b.1795) and Katie Meiers (b.1800) married March 8, 1921 > in Lincoln County, NC. They had two sons: John Franklin Ballard (July > 30,1821- June 24, 1898) and Benjamin Hawkins Ballard (April 13, 1827 - > November 5, 1905). Everyone tells me that John Franklin Ballard was > fathered by a man named Hawkins who returned to England, abandoning > his wife and unborn son. What is the basis for this information? I'm > not disputing the fact, just want proof. And, why did she name her > second son Benjamin Hawkins Ballard? > > John Ballard's first wife was Salley Childress (marr November 1, > 1815). Supposedly he married his second wife, Katie(or Catey) Meiers, > because he needed someone to take care of his children and she needed > someone to be the father of her bastard son. Who were his children by > Sally Childress? > > The second son, Benjamin Hawkins Ballard, was in the 1900 Lincoln > County, NC, census listed as "brother-in-law to Sallie L McMinn", wife > of John Franklin Ballard. > > Joyce Graham >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iVB.2ACI/2316.1 Message Board Post: ====================================================================== Sources source note 1: obituary - Miller Henry Jarrell, 27 Nov 2001 source note 2: Linda Carolyn Martin Cowart ====================================================================== I'm looking for additional data on the following: FAMILY EDGE PLUS EXTENDED FAMILY REPORT ====================================================================== HUSBAND: Miller Henry JARRELL BORN: 1919 Habersham Co GA MARR: DIED: 27 Nov 2001 Iron Station, Lincoln Co NC BURIED: Gaston Memorial Park, Gastonia, Gaston Co NC OCC: Navy - WWII NOTE: unknown birth order FATHER: John Henry JARRELL (FitzGerald) b:1880; d:1980, probably, Habersham Co GA; buried Bethlehem Baptist Church Cemetery; child #1 of Ronald JARRELL and Claudia ROLLINS; [Note: some sources show dob 1879]. MOTHER: Loulie Mariah (Lula Marie) FRANKLIN b:25 May 1880, Habersham Co GA; d:1970, probably, Habersham Co GA; buried Bethlehem Baptist Church Cemetery; [Note: some sources show dob 1879]. SOURCES: Death...data supplied by source note 2, 30 Mar 2004 Other...source note 1 ====================================================================== WIFE: Mamie BURKE BORN: roughly 1919 DIED: living 27 Nov 2001 Iron Station, Lincoln Co NC FATHER: MOTHER: SOURCES: Other...source note 1 ====================================================================== 1 | NAME: Miller Phillip JARRELL M | BORN: | MARR: | DIED: before 27 Nov 2001 | NOTE: unknown birth order | SRCE: Other...data supplied by source note 2, 6 Apr 2004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 | NAME: Margaret JARRELL F | BORN: | MARR: | DIED: living 27 Nov 2001 Iron Station, Lincoln Co NC | HUSB: ??? GUFFIE | BORN: DIED: | NOTE: unknown birth order | SRCE: Other...source note 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Grandchild by ??? GUFFIE 1 | NAME: ??? GUFFIE F | BORN: | MARR: | DIED: | NOTE: unknown - added for descendancy chart purposes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 | NAME: Karen Alaine JARRELL F | BORN: | MARR: | DIED: living 27 Nov 2001 Clover, York Co SC | HUSB: ??? WARD | BORN: DIED: | NOTE: unknown birth order | SRCE: Name....mid name supplied by source note 2, 6 Apr 2004 | Other...source note 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Grandchild by ??? WARD 1 | NAME: ??? WARD F | BORN: | MARR: | DIED: | NOTE: unknown - added for descendancy chart purposes ====================================================================== HISTORY NOTES: Miller Henry JARRELL Miller H. Jarrell IRON STATION Miller Henry Jarrell, 82, 1986 Scenic Drive, died Nov. 27, 2001, at home. He was a native of Hambersham County, Ga., son of the late Henry and Lula Franklin Jarrell, Navy veteran of World War II. SURVIVORS: Wife, Mamie Burke Jarrell; daughters, Margaret Guffie, Iron Station, Karen Ward, Clover, S.C.; sisters, Mae Martin, Pauline Garner, Clarksville, Ga.; 10 grandchildren; 15 great-grandchildren; six great-great-grandchildren PRECEDED IN DEATH BY: Son, Phillip Jarrell; brother, Carlton Jarrell; sisters, Alice Nicholson, Annie Cowart GRAVESIDE SERVICE: 2 p.m. Friday, Gaston Memorial Park, Gastonia, Revs. Jeff Patterson, Roger Huffstetler VISITATION: 7-9 tonight, Greene Funeral Service, Southside Chapel, Gastonia PALLBEARERS: David Cody, Larry Guffie, Randy Hughes, Johnny Jarrell, Ronald and Wayne Patterson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you can add, subtract, delete, change any of the above data please advise. If you have any questions about the data feel free to ask! Wiley Alston Jarrell 15610 Edenvale Friendswood Texas, 77546 [email protected] 281-482-3671 <><

A lot of this sort of thing went on, still does except it is considered neither a sin nor illegal these days. However, perhaps you have been searching in the wrong places - if as you say the Hawkins who returned to England really abandoned his wife and unborn son, this precludes the possibility that that son was a bastard child. You might want to take a look at the church records concerning this family. Katey married Ballard on or about 8 Mar 1821 (that date is actually the date the bond was issued and may or may not be the marriage date), her child was born in July. Could have been fathered by someone named Hawkins or could have been fathered by John Ballard. Do you know what church they might have attended? Sometimes there is a record of the birth along with comments. The place of their burial might give you a clue to the church they attended. If he was already established in the community, having been previously married and possibly with children, in all probability he continued to live in that place bringing his new wife along to live there also. Their church would have been nearby and usually had its own graveyard. It would also be interesting to know the names of the parents of both John Ballard and Katey Meiers, were there any Hawkins connected to those families? You probably have already searched for any Hawkins who lived in close proximity to the residence of John Ballard, but there may be a clue there if you have not. Hope something here helps and good luck - early research in the south can be a real trial. Agnes C. On 3/8/05 12:00 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Joyce Graham <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:44:05 -0500 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: BALLARD, JOHN FRANKLIN > > Need help. > > <>John Ballard (b.1795) and Katie Meiers (b.1800) married March 8, 1921 > in Lincoln County, NC. They had two sons: John Franklin Ballard (July > 30,1821- June 24, 1898) and Benjamin Hawkins Ballard (April 13, 1827 - > November 5, 1905). Everyone tells me that John Franklin Ballard was > fathered by a man named Hawkins who returned to England, abandoning his > wife and unborn son. What is the basis for this information? I'm not > disputing the fact, just want proof. And, why did she name her second > son Benjamin Hawkins Ballard? > > John Ballard's first wife was Salley Childress (marr November 1, 1815). > Supposedly he married his second wife, Katie(or Catey) Meiers, because > he needed someone to take care of his children and she needed someone to > be the father of her bastard son. Who were his children by Sally Childress? > > The second son, Benjamin Hawkins Ballard, was in the 1900 Lincoln > County, NC, census listed as "brother-in-law to Sallie L McMinn", wife > of John Franklin Ballard. > > Joyce Graham

Need help. <>John Ballard (b.1795) and Katie Meiers (b.1800) married March 8, 1921 in Lincoln County, NC. They had two sons: John Franklin Ballard (July 30,1821- June 24, 1898) and Benjamin Hawkins Ballard (April 13, 1827 - November 5, 1905). Everyone tells me that John Franklin Ballard was fathered by a man named Hawkins who returned to England, abandoning his wife and unborn son. What is the basis for this information? I'm not disputing the fact, just want proof. And, why did she name her second son Benjamin Hawkins Ballard? John Ballard's first wife was Salley Childress (marr November 1, 1815). Supposedly he married his second wife, Katie(or Catey) Meiers, because he needed someone to take care of his children and she needed someone to be the father of her bastard son. Who were his children by Sally Childress? The second son, Benjamin Hawkins Ballard, was in the 1900 Lincoln County, NC, census listed as "brother-in-law to Sallie L McMinn", wife of John Franklin Ballard. Joyce Graham