Ruth has finished abstracting in detail the very complicated Supreme Court Case - Edwards vs Sheppard - Version 2. It has been sent to Guy. Outstanding job, Ruth!!! Would some of you take a look at this case when it gets posted and see what you think regarding the "children" of Elizabeth Edwards Harper? Her husband was Blaney, Sr., son of Francis I. have not had time to really study but reading through it 2 times, and just going by this case, it indicates to me that Elizabeth Edwards was the mother of Richard H. F., Blaney Jr., Zilphia Harper Sheppard Smith, and Thomas E. Harper. Zilphia's middle name was McLlwean which was Elizabeth McLlwean's mother's name so this really does not make sense. No where are the two girls who married Tysons mentioned and one of them is proven to be the daughter of Elizabeth McLlwean. The case refers to Elizabeth Edwards Harper "children" several times indicating more than one. I simply do not see any explanation of Blaney's children other than these four children being of the 2nd wife and the two girls who married Tysons being Elizabeth McLlweans children. Martha

Could be a good start for all of our Indian Heritage loose roots in NC and SC???? EXCELLENT INFORMATION! THANKS GWJCAL@aol.com !!! Dan ====================== Who Are The Coree? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "The fate of the Chicora Nation is a strange blank place in our history. The Coree lacuna is an abscess that no one wants opened since we have forgotten its origin and have become accustomed to the pain." Al Pate ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- We are privileged to be able to experience a Wondrous World...that of the Internet and all the wonders residing therein. Depending on your expertise and interests this World can be an aimless maze or, as I hope it has become for those of you who are reading this particular page, it has become place of comfort and learning. Conflict too...but, even midst the conflict education is taking place. Yes? It has been my privilege, due to involvement in Lee Sultzman's work with the Compact First Nations Histories, to encounter a gentleman who has written a wonderful piece of work, The Coree Are Not Extinct. This writing sees the first light of day here at First Nations...I find this pretty damn exciting... I've asked Lee Sultzman to educate me (thence you) re the Coree and am offering his advice here so that you will have some idea as to what may be coming on following pages...Lee's advice has absolutely nothing to do with The Coree Are Not Extinct. I offer that advice here only so as to introduce those who have never heard of the Coree to a sense of what the word means. One last comment...unravelling history seems to me to be a tedious process. It requires a peculiar dedication and committment...and, as I see it "historians" are going to disagree as to what is what. However, it is the *basis* of this disagreement that actually furthers the unravelling...see? In agreeing to disagree Al and Lee are carrying on this grand tradition..and we, the Armchair CyberNauts, can do naught but sit back and marvel at the marvel they unfold...JS Dill. Lee Sultzman now speaks...Just east of the original Cherokee homeland resided a number of Nations: Hassinunga, Manahoac (Mahock), Ontponea, Shackonia, Stegaraki (Stenkenock), Tauxitania (Tanx), Tegninateo, Whonkentia, Massinacac, Meipontsky, Mohemencho, Monacan (Manakin), Monahassano (Nahyssan), Monasiccapano, Moneton, Occaneechi, Saponi, Tutelo, Adshusheer, Backhook, Cape Fear (Neccoes), Cheraw (Sara, Saraw, Saura, Sauro. Their Cherokee name was the Sauali), Congaree, Eno (Enoree), Hook, Keyauwee, Nahyssan, Pedee, Santee, Saxaphaw, Sewee, Shakori (Shoccoree), Shuteree, Sissipahaw, Sugaree, Waccamaw, Warrennuncock, Wateree, Waxhaw, Winyaw, Woccon. Collectively, these peoples are what I prefer to call, because of their related Siouan languages, the Southeastern Siouan, and as you can see, there were a bunch of them. Just to be on the safe side on what is meant by "related languages" ...these conclusions are based on the certain core words (man, woman, etc.) and/or common gramatical structure and do imply that that there was mutual intellibility. Catawba and a Lakota speakers would have as much difficulty understanding each other as for instance, a Greek and a Swede. Most of the Southeastern Siouan ended up as part of the Catawba during the 1700s. Several groups also moved north during this period and joined the Iroquois covenant chain in Pennsylvania and New York, and others simply remained in remote areas of the Carolinas and were gradually absorbed by the general population. That is until recently, when they have started coming out of the woodwork like the group in Virginia (whose name I forget) which you inquired about last spring. The largest present-day group-, the Lumbee, however, seem to be descended from Algonquin-speakers. At least this is what their tradition says because of the lost Roanoke Colony (Virginia Dare and all that). From their location in Robeson County NC, it would seem more likely that the Lumbee were Siouan, but who knows, and I have not found any reason to dispute their claim. Not much has been written about the Southeastern Siouan tribes relative to the Algonquin-speaking Powhatan and the Tsalagi who spoke an Iroquian language, but they were generally organized into small and independent bands which were generally hostile to both the neighboring Tsalagi and Powhatan at the time that Jamestown was settled in 1607. Their initial contact with Europeans began much earlier through a series of Spanish slave raids along the Carolina coasts during the early 1500s which originated from Cuba and Puerto Rico. One of these, led by Pedro de Quejo and Francisco Gordillo and funded by Lucas Vsquez de Aylln, landed at Winyaw Bay SC in 1521 and captured 60 people. Because of sickness, only a few of these prisoners lived to reach Cuba, but they lasted long enough for the Spanish to learn that they called either themselves or their homeland Chicora. One young warrior did survive the capture and voyage south, and after an apparent conversion to Christianity, was renamed Francisco of Chicora. Francisco volunteered to serve the Spanish as a guide and interpreter, and in 1525 Aylln sent Quejo back to area with two ships and 60 men. Francisco accompanied the expedition, but the Spanish had no sooner hit the beach than he took to the woods. Aylln later attempted to establish a permanent settlement on the SC and GA coast but this failed soon after he got ill and died. Note that all of these things occurrred 15-20 years before De Soto's grand tour of the region in 1539-43. Anyway, that is where the name of Chicora originated. Which tribe was this? People have been trying to figure this out ever since. Was there ever a Chicora Nation? Rather doubt this myself because as far as I can tell, the Southeastern Siouan tribes were never organized politically much beyond the village or band level until encouraged to do so by the SC colonists after 1720 when Iroquois war parties began to terrorize the region. Even then, the individual Siouan tribes were very reluctant to surrender their individual identities, traditions, and leadership. Al [the author of The Coree Are Not Extinct] proposes that the Coree were the Chicora, but others have suggested the Shakori as better possibility. A lot of these names sound pretty alike, especially after being mauled though different European languages over the years. No one knows and few care, but Al has apparently done a lot of digging where "angels fear to tread" which, because of the obvious implications of racial mixing, has been shoved under the carpet, and I would be very interested in looking a good look at what he has found. However, it appears that he has fallen love with "his tribe" since he has some pretty harsh words for other tribes: i.e., the Tuscarora and Cherokee were vassels of the Iroquois and British; the Catawba were the butt-end of different tribes; and he seems to concluded that the Cofachiqui were Siouan speakers. It seems fairly certain that the Cofachiqui who were visited by De Soto in the spring of 1540 were Muskogean speakers (related to the Creek) who had moved into the Columbia SC area from the southwest during the 1300s. According to the De Soto Chronicles, the Cofachiqui had a lot of Mississippian cultural characteristics (mounds, temples, priests, ossaries or bone houses). The Southeastern Siouan tribes were matrilineal and farmed, but beyond this had none of these other traits....Lee Sultzman So...now you have some sense of what might have been, what might be, actually...and we can move on...it is with great pleasure I welcome you to a Prologue to The Coree Are Not Extinct . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Who are the Coree Family History Relating to the Coree Indians The Historical Problem Coree - Intro Coree - Chapter One Coree - Chapter Twelve Coree - Chapter Twenty Coree - Chapter Twenty-eight Coree - Chapter Thirty-one Coree - Chapter Thirty-two ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This site is maintained by JS Dill. Please provide an opinion regarding this site... -----Original Message----- From: GWJCAL@aol.com [mailto:GWJCAL@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 5:55 PM To: JERNIGAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [JERNIGAN-L] Jernigan's and Coree Indians http://www.dickshovel.com/coreeal.html <A HREF="http://www.dickshovel.com/coreeal.html">Click here: Coree?</A> BEGIN QUOTE Barna Jernigan, was the grandson of my great x 5 grandfather "Lame David" Jernigan, the grandfather of Christian Ammons Pate. Barner Jernigan, his brother Lovett, his and grandfather David, were all three hung for activities in Wayne, Duplin and Sampson Counties arising out of the War of 1812, in which they were allied with Indians. They were accused of stealing and transporting slaves to Georgia for sale. These slaves had been subsisting as families in the woods for over eight months, when the Jernigans became involved with them, and I believe these slave were Indians, in lifestyle and identity--with perhaps some African and European ancestry. "Lame David" Jernigan ran to his friend "Round-Headed Billy" Powell, for asylum, after murdering Sheriff John Coor-Pender. However, when 18-year-old Paul Coor-Pender (son of Sheriff Coor-Pender) went to apprehend him, Powell turned the old man over to him. The Wayne County Jernigans were served badly by the War of 1812 and subsequent events, that resulted in the hanging of a beloved patriarch, and two of his most promising grandsons.Most of the Jernigans ended up south of Neuse River, where there were many Jacobses, Wynns, Carrs, Simmonses, Hedgepeths, Ammones, Bakers and other families associated with North Carolina Siouan tribes. These folks were a varied lot. Some were holders of slaves. Some were free. Some were not. Some had "something". Others had a lot of debt. Conflicts ran high, and political strife was polarized between Grantham and Patetown. "Lame David" Jernigan, a disgruntled hero of the Revolutionary War, was a founder of Waynesboro. Waynesboro was poorly sited. The site for the county seat should have been on high ground, at Everettsville, south of the Neuse, or north of the river on the present site of Cherry Hospital, where a Siouan town survived after Torhunta's destruction. In 1740 the Quaker Kennedy family came into Wayne County and settled in the present day area of Cherry Hospital and O'Berry Center, and began to buy up slaves to ameliorate their condition. This was a source of agitation and conflict during the Civil War, for which the Kennedys suffered greatly.There's real drama in our East Carolina history. Inter-tribal Indian warfare provided much of it. Early and late in their history, the Carolina Siouans sided wrong in wars, however. The Coree were officially doomed to oblivion, the cultural and economic equivalent of annihilation, even though most of the common folk hid in the woods and watched the massacres at Torhunta and Neooheroka. I hope younger students of our history will go to the old records about what I've tried to explain, and tell the story more sympathetically to the people who were driven from their homes, to make way for European settlement. The politics, economics and sociology of the Coree history is complex. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA Maybe the grass is really greener on the other side of the fence. But it's probably because your neighbor uses more fertilizer and water.

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I will be going to NC on Wed for two weeks and will attend Pitt County Family Researchers Reunion this weekend. Plan on going to the Jones and Duplin Co Courthouses but not to the archives. Christine will monitor the list while I am gone. If you have a problem, contact her - CGT714@aol.com To cut my inbox down, am changing the number of times your emails will bounce from 8 to 4 which is the default. If you bounce 4 times, it kicks you off. Been having a lot of bounces lately. When your problems get straightened out, please re-sub. Martha

Hi All , recieved this today does anyone know if the Hepsey mention below is the Dau of Lewis & Nancy Winders Hines ?? Thank you all for any help on this . CGT I have been trying for some time to find out something about my great grandmother, Hepsey Hines, who md. Isham U. Taylor in 1845 or 1849 (In International Genealogical Index for NC, the date of marriage was 1845 but changed to 1849).  Isham and Hepsie had 7 children, one of whom was my grandfather, Ceness Washington Taylor.  Hepsey died probably around 1862 because Isham md. wife no. 2, Elizabeth Underhill on 01 Aug 1863, and there were 9 more children.  Isham and his second wife are buried in a cemetery near Calypso, NC (Duplin Co.), but there is no record of where Hepsey was buried.  It is thought she might have been buried there, also, with a wooden marker that has disappeared.   I have just read your posting on the NCDuplin Co. board (Dec. 28, 2000) and wonder if you think this Hepsey Ann Hines, dau. of Lewis Hines and Nancy Winders, is my great grandmother.  Do you have any other info on her and her lineage?  This is so exciting, because I have looked for anything on her for so long.   Thanks in advance. Margaret C. Scott Christine Grimes Thacker

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/QUB.2ACE/832.1 Message Board Post: was one of his childern henry doffis barnes who married addie gilert and they had 15 childern.that was my father-in-law and i an looking for all info on the barnes i can get i don't know enought to get started i think henry father was mance thank you

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/298.324 Message Board Post: Mike, I have a Robert White from Lenoir County, North Carolina. A personal family history written by his great granddaughter says his parents were from England. My Robert White was married to Eleanor Hope. They had the following children: William White (Secty. of State,NC), Benajah White, Rigden White and Elizabeth White. Robert White was born in 1736 and died in 1803 at Lenoir County, NC. Most of his descendants stayed in the counties of Wake, Craven, Greene, Dobbs and Lenoir in North Carolina. I'm looking at the Vine Swamp Creek deeds with interest too. The family history I have mentions that Robert White was a colonel in the Revolutionary Army. Of possible interest to you is an abstracted entry in, I believe, The Raleigh North Carolina Star (Weekly) dated Fri 4 Oct 1811 (159:4) and also in the Raleigh Register Fri 18 Oct 1811 (3:5.) "Died at his seat in Nash County...Capt. Nathan Whitehead. Hope this may help you in some way. Colleen

Am forwarding to Lenoir because of the Fields connection and wondered if there was a connection to the Dail family because of the name Lemon. >Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:59:03 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: bstocks@coxnc.rr.com Fri Oct 5 13:59:03 2001 >Reply-To: "Brenda Stocks" <bstocks@coxnc.rr.com> >From: "Brenda Stocks" <bstocks@coxnc.rr.com> >Old-To: "NC-PCFR" <NC-PCFR-L@rootsweb.com> >Old-Cc: "NCGREENE-L" <NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:48:14 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >Subject: [NCGREENE] Heirs of William Speight >To: NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1599 >X-Loop: NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: NCGREENE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Not my family, but maybe someone can find some information they need in the >list of heirs. >Brenda > >NC Archives > >Superior Court for District of New Bern >State of North Carolina to Sheriff of Greene County > >William Vines Speight lately recovered in Superior Court for New Bern >District against Samuel Speight, Administrator for estate of William >Speight, deceased, 5898.14 pounds for damages he sustained and failure to >fulfill certain promises. Estate assets only 2045 pounds. > >Heirs of William Speight: >Samuel Speight >Susannah Hay >Seth Speight, son of Francis, dec. >William Speight, son of Francis >Jonathon Speight > Martha, wife of John Fields >Frances, wife of Neusome Faircloth >Alice, wife of Jacob Barnes >Stephen W. Speight >Jacob B. Speight >Samuel Speight, son of John >William Speight, son of John >Mary, wife of Josiah Patton >Sarah Speight > Seth Speight, son of Jesse, dec. >Henry Speight >Thomas Speight > Lemon Speight >Mary V. Speight >Nancy A. Speight >Fanny Speight >Ferebee Bolton >Fanny Singleton >Ann Dunnagan >Isaac Langston >Seth Langston >Rachel, wife of Jesse Pedder >Isaac Robinson >Luke Robinson >Mary Robinson >Lewis Robinson >William Robinson >Milberry Robinson > >Heirs had to appear before Judges of Superior Court for District of New Bern >on Jan. 15 next for execution of damages which personal estate of William >Speight is insufficient, and should not be done of the land and tenements to >them descended. They will receive what said Court shall then adjudge in the >premise. > > Witness Silas White Arnett > Clerk of Court > at New Bern > 15th Day of Feby 1804 > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/162.161.1.1.1 Message Board Post: What state are these Phillips in? My Aunt & Uncle were Josaphine & Grant Phillips of Deputy, Scott County, Indiana. Marilyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/162.161.1.1 Message Board Post: My interest is the Phillips family. Don't know anything about the Allen family other than they were in Craven Co. Martha

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chaney - Ertel - Redman - Hoover - Sayre - Gazlay - Chamberlin - Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/162.161.1 Message Board Post: Looking for Louisa Allen m Moses Hoover in Jessamine County, Kentucky early 1809s. Had 3-known children. One was Susan Hoover m Charles Tilden Redman *(my gr gr grands.) They, Hoovers & Redmans left Ky. & moved Scott County, Indiana. Also looking for possible Cherokee conection to Allens. Marilyn Chaney Ertel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/859 Message Board Post: I own land which was intended to be part of the Branchwood Subdivision off of Pauls Path Road in Lenoir County. I have found several items beneath the soil indicating that there was a house or settlement on the land much before my time. Also, there are several trenches and enbankments on the land which suggest the need for drainage or use as embattlemtns. How can I trace the ancestory of this land? Thanks for any leads or advice you can give me.

We use a guideline for OBITS with more restrictions for Lenoir and Greene. Fifty years comes to mind or at the very least no LIVING heirs with names. Martha, Here are a couple of things to pass on to the lists about the archives submissions. Thanks, Patty NEW GUIDELINES FOR THE NC USGENWEB ARCHIVES SUBMISSIONS (most of us have been following these, but this makes it official:-) (1) All effort should be taken to avoid posting information concerning living persons. Such information should be posted as an exception rather than as the norm. (2) The following guidance applies to Vital Records: (a) Records of births during the last 70 years should not be posted. 1931 (b) Records of marriages during the last 50 years should not be posted. 1951 (c) Records of deaths for any year may be posted. (d) Records of divorces during the last 70 years should not be posted. 1931 (3) Obituaries naming surviving family members may be posted if personal information concerning those family members is excluded. An example of personal information would be the street address of a surviving family member. (4) The Social Security Account Number, or any other number assigned to a living person, should never be posted. (5) The military record of any living person should not be posted without their approval. (6) Cemetery or tombstone records which name a living spouse or family member need not be altered before posting. (7) Contributions containing information about living persons may be posted with their consent. (8) A record which has been posted containing information about a living person will be removed immediately upon the request of the person named in the record.

No idea what happened - ROOTS web could have messed up or those people could have posted that many times. It came from the County Query Boards and is an illegal post since it refers to a commercial site. Have notified Patty and she will report the abuse to ROOTSweb. If it makes you feel any better, I got about 125 because of all the bouncing members who have probably now been knocked off the list. Martha

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