This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gray/Spivey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/868 Message Board Post: Looking for people with information on Fannie Rosa Spivey. Daughter of Noah Spivey and Bertha Phillips. Fannie married Aquilla B Gray son of George Otis Gray and Deborah (Debbie) Sugg. Please email me with any information that you have. I will be happy to share with you what I have Lynn

Here is some additional info on the Public Record fees http://www.ncpress.com/publicrecordslaw.html North Carolina Public Records Law Current through as of January 1, 1999 Contact NCPA at (919) 787-7443 for pamphlets. Questions? Call the NCPA Legal Hotline at (919) 833-3833. Chapter 132. Public Records N.C. Statutes: Public Records: 132-1 - 132-5.1 §132-6.2. Provisions for copies of public records; fees (a) Persons requesting copies of public records may elect to obtain them in any and all media in which the public agency is capable of providing them. No request for copies of public records in a particular medium shall be denied on the grounds that the custodian has made or prefers to make the public records available in another medium. The public agency may assess different fees for different media as prescribed by law. (b) Persons requesting copies of public records may request that the copies be certified or uncertified. The fees for certifying copies of public records shall be as provided by law. Except as otherwise provided by law, no public agency shall charge a fee for an uncertified copy of a public record that exceeds the actual cost to the public agency of making the copy. For purposes of this subsection, "actual cost" is limited to direct, chargeable costs related to the reproduction of a public record as determined by generally accepted accounting principles and does not include costs that would have been incurred by the public agency if a request to reproduce a public record had not been made. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection, if the request is such as to require extensive use of information technology resources or extensive clerical or supervisory assistance by personnel of the agency involved, or if producing the record in the medium requested results in a gre! ater use of information technology resources than that established by the agency for reproduction of the volume of information requested, then the agency may charge, in addition to the actual cost of duplication, a special service charge, which shall be reasonable and shall be based on the actual cost incurred for such extensive use of information technology resources or the labor costs of the personnel providing the services, or for a greater use of information technology resources that is actually incurred by the agency or attributable to the agency. If anyone requesting public information from any public agency is charged a fee that the requester believes to be unfair or unreasonable, the requester may ask the Information Resource Management Commission to mediate the dispute. (c) Persons requesting copies of computer databases may be required to make or submit such requests in writing. Custodians of public records shall respond to all such requests as promptly as possible. If the request is granted, the copies shall be provided as soon as reasonably possible. If the request is denied, the denial shall be accompanied by an explanation of the basis for the denial. If asked to do so, the person denying the request shall, as promptly as possible, reduce the explanation for the denial to writing. (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to require a public agency to respond to requests for copies of public records outside of its usual business hours. (e) Nothing in this section shall be construed to require a public agency to respond to a request for a copy of a public record by creating or compiling a record that does not exist. If a public agency, as a service to the requester, voluntarily elects to create or compile a record, it may negotiate a reasonable charge for the service with the requester. Nothing in this section shall be construed to require a public agency to put into electronic medium a record that is not kept in electronic medium. Thanks, Pat www.parmor.com

Here is the email address we can all send to for comments on the high cost of copies we are being charged in some courthouses. I also know I read somewhere that the court house could not take into consideration the time it took the employee to assist you because they were already on county payroll. I will try and locate this tidbit of info also. North Carolina Department of Justice Citizens' Rights Section P.O. Box 629 Raleigh, NC 27602-0629 Telephone: (919) 716-6780 Fax: (919) 716-6705 E-mail: agjus@mail.jus.state.nc.us Thanks, Pat

http://www.jus.state.nc.us/cr/sunshine.htm Thanks, Pat

Sorry - this lost the nice format that Pat used. Next time some of you go to a Courthouse to copy, how about taking these emails from Pat with you and see what kind of reaction you get. If they won't lower their costs then think it might be time for us to do a little protesting to the AG. For those of you who don't know - Easley is now the Gov of NC but I assume the Sunshine Office is still in existence. Stephen did protest, but received no reply. Prices weren't lowered either. From: "Patricia Armor" <parmor@wave-net.net> To: "Martha Marble" <mmarble@erols.com> Subject: Public Records Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:12:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Martha, Here is another site on the Public Record copy fees. This is from the office of Mike Easley http://www.jus.state.nc.us/cr/sunshine.htm Pat Armor Public Records: Questions & Answers 1. What is the public policy regarding public records? The North Carolina General Assembly has declared as a matter of public policy that the public records and public information compiled by agencies of North Carolina government or its subdivisions are the property of the people. N.C.G.S. § 132-1(b) 2. What are public records? Public records are documentary materials that are either made or received by government agencies in North Carolina in carrying on public business. Public records include documents, papers, letters, maps, books, photographs, films, sound recordings, magnetic or other tapes, electronic data-processing records, artifacts or other documentary material, regardless of physical form or characteristic. N.C.G.S. § 132-1 3. Who may inspect or get copies of public records? Any person may inspect and get copies of public records. N.C.G.S. § 132-6 4. To whom should a request for public records be directed? The Public Records Law does not describe any specific procedure that a person must follow in requesting to inspect public records. Normally, a request to any employee in a government office is sufficient to get access to records in that office. However, it is the custodian of public records who is specifically required to allow those records to be inspected. The public official in charge of an office is designated to be the custodian of records for that office. N.C.G..S. § 132-2 5. When are public records available for inspection or copying? The Public Records Law says that inspection and examination of records should be allowed at "reasonable times" and under the reasonable supervision of the agency. "Reasonable times" is generally understood to mean during regular business hours. N.C.G.S. § 132-6 6. May citizens request copies of public records in any media available? If an agency has the capability to provide copies of public records in different kinds of media (for example, in print or on computer disc), people requesting copies may choose to get copies in any and all the media available. People requesting copies of computer databases may be required to make their requests in writing. N.C.G.S. § 132-6.2(c) 7. May an agency charge fees for public records? Government agencies may not charge fees for inspecting public records. Fees for certifying copies of public records are provided by law. However, unless otherwise provided by law, no public agency shall charge a fee for an uncertified copy of a public record that exceeds the actual cost to the public agency of making the copy. N.C.G.S. § 132-6.2(b) Thanks, Pat www.parmor.com

Several people have asked about Plain & Fancy. Dr. Ruth Little is the author with a lot of help from people in the county who went through many old structures in the county looking for unusual details. Many of these structures no longer exist but there are pictures in private hands or at LCC. There is some history of the county and the towns. Kinston has its own section and is broken down into the older neighborhoods. The same for LaGrange and Pink Hill. Each section of the county is broken down in the 455 pages plus the excellent index. They tried to trace the ownership of the property when known with a little genealogy. The structure are business related, grand old homes, farm homes and tenant houses - they just had to be old. A history of the owners, when known is given. As most of you know, the old structures in the county bite the dust on a regular basis and most of the older homes in Kinston have been torn down especially in east Kinston where the original homes were built. Many surnames of the original owners are not even found in the area anymore. This book is what is called a coffee table book and if your roots are in Lenoir County, the money is well worth it and would make an excellent Christmas present. We are trying to get a better description of both books from the Historical Society for Dobbers. Martha

Hello Larry! I do not have any sources at this time ...{:(. Typically, "Pension Applications" for the specific State and Surname are the ones that identify either wounded or KIA soldiers in any war. Typical sites for specific State/Federal War parks mey have such information also. Please let me know if you come across any such listings for North Carolina, as it appears our Dormand and Herrenton FAIRFAX folks were KIA in the Revolutionary War while enlisted in the North Carolina Continental Line since their sons John and Daniel FAIRFAX applied for their pensions in 1797 in North Carolina? Best regards, Happy Hunting! Dan Fairfax 2629 Somerset Drive Nashville, Tennessee 37217 dfairfax@nespower.com ============================== -----Original Message----- From: Larry Licari [mailto:cosmoz@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:25 AM To: Fairfax, Dan Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] North Carolina Revolutionary War Regiments Dan, Do you know if there are records for those who died in the REV WAR? I am interested in the NEW BERN DISTRICT? Thank you for this page. Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fairfax, Dan" <DFairfax@nespower.com> To: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [NCLENOIR] North Carolina Revolutionary War Regiments > > > FYI > =================== > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbertie/revregiments.htm > > ==================== > > > > Bertie County, North Carolina > North Carolina Regiments in Revolutionary War > > > We WELCOME material that is related to Bertie County and its participation > in the Revolutionary War. > > > N.C. Divided into SIX MILITARY DISTRICTS - 1780 > You need to be aware of the Military District that your county falls under > when you are doing your research. > Edenton District > Bertie, Camden, Chowan, Currituck, Gates, Hertford, Pasquotank, Perquimans, > and Tyrrell > Halifax Distrcit > Edgecombe, Franklin, Halifax, Martin, Nash, Northampton, and Warren. > Hillsborough District > Caswell, Chatham, Granville, Orange, Randolph and Wake > New Bern District > Beaufort, Carteret, Craven, Dobbs, Hyde, Johnston, Jones, Pitt, and Wayne > Wilmington District > Bladen, Brunswick, Cumberland, Duplin, New Hanover, and Onslow > Salisbury District > Anson, Burke, Guilford, Lincoln, Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Richmond, Rowan, > Rutherford, Sullivan, Surry, Washington, and Wilkes. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > North Carolina Regiments > See this http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/nc.htm for complete listing. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Regiments with Known Bertie Men > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Regiment > Organized > Org. Place > #/Companies > 1776 - Colonels 1777 - Colonels > > 1st NC > 1 Sept 1775 > Salisbury > > Wilmington > 10 companies > Col James Moore > Col Francis Nash Col. Tho Clark > Col Francis Nash > 2nd NC > 1 Sept 1775 > Salisbury > > Edenton > > Newbern > 10 companies > Col. Robert Howe > Col Alex Martin Col. John Patton > Col Alex Martin > 3rd NC > 1 Jan 1776 > Wilmington > 8 co from > > Halifax, Edenton > > Hillsborough > Col Jethro Sumner Col. Jethro Sumner > 4th NC > 26 Mar 1776 > Wilmington > 8 companies from > > Salisbury > > Edenton > > Wilmington > Col. Thomas Polk Col. Thomas Polk > 5th NC > 26 Mar 1776 > Wilmington > 8 companies from > > Newbern > > Edenton > > Hillsborough > Col. John A. Lillington Col. John A. Lillington > 6th NC > 13 April 1776 > Wilmington > 8 companies from > > Wilmington Hillsorough > Col Edward Buncombe > 7th NC > 16 Sept 1776 > Halifax > 8 companies from > > Halifax > > Edenton > Col James Hogan > 8th NC > 16 Sept 1776 > Halifax > 8 companies from > > Newbern > > Wilmington > Col James Armstrong > 9th NC > 16 Sept 1776 > Halifax > 8 companies from > > Hillsborough > > Salisbury > Col Abraham Shephard Col John Williams > 10th NC > > Sheppard's > > Additional > 17 April 1777 > Kinston > 8 co North-eastern part of state > Col Abraham Shephard > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Regiments with Known Bertie Men > 1st N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > (Authorized 1 Sept 1775. Organized at Salisbury and Wilmington) > (For more complete history see http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/nc.html > 1776 - Col James Moore-Col. Francis Nash *Col James Moore promoted to > brigadier general (along with Robert Howe of the 2nd NC) and commanding > general in North Carolina. To fill this vacany, Col Francis Nash was > promoted to Colonels. 1777 - Col Francis Nash - Col Thomas Clark (promoted > to Lieutenant Col when F. Nash moved up) William Davies was Major. 1780 - > Col Sam Jerris > > Capt. Alexander Whitehall > Prvt. Meady White > Prvt William Todd (Will probated 28 June 1778) > > http://web.infoave.nt/~rblevins/hist.htm(For more complete history see > http://web.infoave.nt/~rblevins/hist.htm > > > > 1776 -Col. Robert Howe-Col Alex Martin > *Col Robert Howe was promoted to brigadier general along with James Moore. > Alexander Martin was promoted to Colonel to fill this vacancy. > > 1777 - Col Alex Martin - John Patton (promoted to Lieutenant Col when A. > Martin moved up) > John White was major > > > > 2nd N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Homepage: http://www.infoave.net/~rblevins/hist.htm > > Formed September 1, 1775 > Todd, William (will given to May Court 1775 - so must have been in earliest > regiment) > Battle Activity of 2nd NC Regiment > > 3rd N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Formed Jan 1, 1776 - 3 companies from Edenton > 1777 - Jethro Sumner (properous tavern owner of Warren County) (burial > removed from Warrenton to Guildford Courthouse Battlefield 1891)- Colonel > William Alston - Lieutenant Col Samuel Lockhart - Major Bishop, Moses 1751 - > 1809. Buried in Bishop-Powell Cemetery - Roxobel > 4th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Formed Mar 26, 1776 - 4 companies from Edenton > Col Thomas Polk > Lieut Col James Thaxton > Capt Jeremiah McLean's Company > Butler, John Private > White, Ezekiel > 5th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Formed Mar 26, 1776 - 4 companies from Edenton > Col Edward Buncombe > Capt John Pugh Williams' Company > Jenkins, Abraham > Capt. Redding Blount's Company > Thomas, Amos > 6th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > No companies from Edenton > 7th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Formed Sept 16, 1775 - Edenton - 4 companies > Col James Hogun > Lieut Col Robert Mebane > Capt Walker's Company > Bennet, James Private > 8th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > No Companies from Edenton > 9th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > No Companies from Edenton > 10th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line > Capt Blount's Company > Asbet, James Private > Capt Issac Moore's Company > Baker, William > Wright, David > Capt Baker's Company > Brodwell, David > Capt Donoho's Company > Jenkins, Elisah > Capt Raiford's Company > Murter, John > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Please send any comments : > Virginia Crilley crilley@eramp.net > > > > Return to Bertie County Main Military Page > Return to the Bertie County Main Page > > ============================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha Marble [mailto:mmarble@erols.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:55 AM > To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCLENOIR] Recent Additions to Archives > > > A Reminder > > All of you might want to Bookmark the Recent additions to the NC Rootsweb > Archives if you haven't already > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/newdocs.htm > > I check this site each Tues as most of the time the additions for the > previous week are listed. > > Lots of new Dobbs Court Records last week and this from the records of > Grace Turner. Many thanks to Grace and to the members of our lists that are > preparing them for posting and to Guy and Sue for obtaining permission. > >

FYI =================== http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbertie/revregiments.htm ==================== Bertie County, North Carolina North Carolina Regiments in Revolutionary War We WELCOME material that is related to Bertie County and its participation in the Revolutionary War. N.C. Divided into SIX MILITARY DISTRICTS - 1780 You need to be aware of the Military District that your county falls under when you are doing your research. Edenton District Bertie, Camden, Chowan, Currituck, Gates, Hertford, Pasquotank, Perquimans, and Tyrrell Halifax Distrcit Edgecombe, Franklin, Halifax, Martin, Nash, Northampton, and Warren. Hillsborough District Caswell, Chatham, Granville, Orange, Randolph and Wake New Bern District Beaufort, Carteret, Craven, Dobbs, Hyde, Johnston, Jones, Pitt, and Wayne Wilmington District Bladen, Brunswick, Cumberland, Duplin, New Hanover, and Onslow Salisbury District Anson, Burke, Guilford, Lincoln, Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Richmond, Rowan, Rutherford, Sullivan, Surry, Washington, and Wilkes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- North Carolina Regiments See this http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/nc.htm for complete listing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Regiments with Known Bertie Men ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Regiment Organized Org. Place #/Companies 1776 - Colonels 1777 - Colonels 1st NC 1 Sept 1775 Salisbury Wilmington 10 companies Col James Moore Col Francis Nash Col. Tho Clark Col Francis Nash 2nd NC 1 Sept 1775 Salisbury Edenton Newbern 10 companies Col. Robert Howe Col Alex Martin Col. John Patton Col Alex Martin 3rd NC 1 Jan 1776 Wilmington 8 co from Halifax, Edenton Hillsborough Col Jethro Sumner Col. Jethro Sumner 4th NC 26 Mar 1776 Wilmington 8 companies from Salisbury Edenton Wilmington Col. Thomas Polk Col. Thomas Polk 5th NC 26 Mar 1776 Wilmington 8 companies from Newbern Edenton Hillsborough Col. John A. Lillington Col. John A. Lillington 6th NC 13 April 1776 Wilmington 8 companies from Wilmington Hillsorough Col Edward Buncombe 7th NC 16 Sept 1776 Halifax 8 companies from Halifax Edenton Col James Hogan 8th NC 16 Sept 1776 Halifax 8 companies from Newbern Wilmington Col James Armstrong 9th NC 16 Sept 1776 Halifax 8 companies from Hillsborough Salisbury Col Abraham Shephard Col John Williams 10th NC Sheppard's Additional 17 April 1777 Kinston 8 co North-eastern part of state Col Abraham Shephard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Regiments with Known Bertie Men 1st N.C. Regiment - Continental Line (Authorized 1 Sept 1775. Organized at Salisbury and Wilmington) (For more complete history see http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/nc.html 1776 - Col James Moore-Col. Francis Nash *Col James Moore promoted to brigadier general (along with Robert Howe of the 2nd NC) and commanding general in North Carolina. To fill this vacany, Col Francis Nash was promoted to Colonels. 1777 - Col Francis Nash - Col Thomas Clark (promoted to Lieutenant Col when F. Nash moved up) William Davies was Major. 1780 - Col Sam Jerris Capt. Alexander Whitehall Prvt. Meady White Prvt William Todd (Will probated 28 June 1778) http://web.infoave.nt/~rblevins/hist.htm(For more complete history see http://web.infoave.nt/~rblevins/hist.htm 1776 -Col. Robert Howe-Col Alex Martin *Col Robert Howe was promoted to brigadier general along with James Moore. Alexander Martin was promoted to Colonel to fill this vacancy. 1777 - Col Alex Martin - John Patton (promoted to Lieutenant Col when A. Martin moved up) John White was major 2nd N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Homepage: http://www.infoave.net/~rblevins/hist.htm Formed September 1, 1775 Todd, William (will given to May Court 1775 - so must have been in earliest regiment) Battle Activity of 2nd NC Regiment 3rd N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Formed Jan 1, 1776 - 3 companies from Edenton 1777 - Jethro Sumner (properous tavern owner of Warren County) (burial removed from Warrenton to Guildford Courthouse Battlefield 1891)- Colonel William Alston - Lieutenant Col Samuel Lockhart - Major Bishop, Moses 1751 - 1809. Buried in Bishop-Powell Cemetery - Roxobel 4th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Formed Mar 26, 1776 - 4 companies from Edenton Col Thomas Polk Lieut Col James Thaxton Capt Jeremiah McLean's Company Butler, John Private White, Ezekiel 5th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Formed Mar 26, 1776 - 4 companies from Edenton Col Edward Buncombe Capt John Pugh Williams' Company Jenkins, Abraham Capt. Redding Blount's Company Thomas, Amos 6th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line No companies from Edenton 7th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Formed Sept 16, 1775 - Edenton - 4 companies Col James Hogun Lieut Col Robert Mebane Capt Walker's Company Bennet, James Private 8th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line No Companies from Edenton 9th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line No Companies from Edenton 10th N.C. Regiment - Continental Line Capt Blount's Company Asbet, James Private Capt Issac Moore's Company Baker, William Wright, David Capt Baker's Company Brodwell, David Capt Donoho's Company Jenkins, Elisah Capt Raiford's Company Murter, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Please send any comments : Virginia Crilley crilley@eramp.net Return to Bertie County Main Military Page Return to the Bertie County Main Page ============================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Martha Marble [mailto:mmarble@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:55 AM To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCLENOIR] Recent Additions to Archives A Reminder All of you might want to Bookmark the Recent additions to the NC Rootsweb Archives if you haven't already http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/newdocs.htm I check this site each Tues as most of the time the additions for the previous week are listed. Lots of new Dobbs Court Records last week and this from the records of Grace Turner. Many thanks to Grace and to the members of our lists that are preparing them for posting and to Guy and Sue for obtaining permission.

There has been a change in the price (probably not a good decision) and address for the Lenoir County Heritage Book (history of families including Greene families and of the county) and Plain and Fancy (history of old buildings in Lenoir). There will be additional information and a request for sugggestions on how to move these books as soon as Mary Mac has time to deal with this new job. I was told by several different people that the Historical Society was almost out of the reprint of the Heritage Books. Given they have 600 copies still to sell, obviously that information was incorrect. They want our help moving them. No chance of doing Vol 2 until Vol 1 is sold. Some of you have had a problem receiving your books after your check was cashed - with Mary Mac at the helm, there will be no further problem. The new price and address for ordering: Information on the Heritage Book The Heritage of Lenoir County $35.00 / shipping $3.00 Coastal Plain and Fancy $55.00 / shipping $4.00 Contact Mary Mac K. Ritch 252-522-3375 2215 Stallings Drive Kinston, NC 28504 Martha

A Reminder All of you might want to Bookmark the Recent additions to the NC Rootsweb Archives if you haven't already http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/newdocs.htm I check this site each Tues as most of the time the additions for the previous week are listed. Lots of new Dobbs Court Records last week and this from the records of Grace Turner. Many thanks to Grace and to the members of our lists that are preparing them for posting and to Guy and Sue for obtaining permission.

Jim has sent me a good deal of information on the Needham Garner family who moved from Greene to that area of Duplin adj to Lenoir. In the Duplin Sutton deeds posted last week, there are several mentions of the Garner family in the deeds. William Garner (b. 1793) was the son of Wiley Garner (son of Needham Garner) Married Elizabeth Sutton in Duplin or Lenoir Co. Children: Winifred W. b. abt. 1820 Simeon b. 11/15/1820 Wiley Sutton b. 2/8/1824 Ann b. abt. 1825 John P. b. abt. 1825 Narcissa b 1827 Avy b. 1835 Josiah b. 1836 Elizabeth died in Coffee Co, Ala. and William died in Dale Co., AL My assumption was that this Elizabeth could have been the daughter of Simon Sutton who lived in the same area as the Garner family but nothing supports it. THe name of her son was Simeon not Simon and the spelling of Simeon indicates it was a Garner name. IF the widow of Simon was Mary who appears to have had a son Thomas, daughter Penelope who married Curtis Dail as his 3rd wife, and Phereby who married Luke Herring, then the census and the estate records do not support Elizabeth being a daughter. However, the census is inconsistent with the age of Mary and it indicates two additional sons that I can't find. The Suttons of Duplin were within walking distance of the Suttons of LEnoir. Elizabeth was not the daughter of Benjamin (Oxley) or his brother, William. John Jr is a strong possibility. Does anyone else have any information on an Elizabeth bc 1795? Martha

First, I am not exactly what the situation is on Milo Sutton as I sent him an email several months ago and the reply stated he was quite ill and no longer able to reply to emails. Yet, I think he is still listed as the moderator of the Sutton List. I was on that List when it first started and had about 500 people on it, mostly experts on the New Jersey line. It appears those people are no longer on the list. Several of them had worked together over the years and said John of Lenoir Co could not have been part of the New Jersey line as they had all of them accounted for and proven without question. All of their proofs were run on the list and it satisfied me. Unfortunately, I either did not keep that information or lost it when my pc crashed the first time several years ago. The names in the New Jersey family never show up in Lenoir and I am of the opinion that John was from NE NC but have not been able to prove it. Have a good candidate but going to take a lot more work in Bertie to try and prove it. John's assumed widow, Ann, may have very well been a Turner, part of the Simon Turner family of IOW and Southampton, Va but again, I can't prove it. Some of the names among the children of John are found in that family and without question this Turner family had land in old Dobbs Co. Rose has pretty much disproven any connection between the Turner and Wiggins family. Given the span of years between John I's assumed children, it is possible he had two wives. Martha >From: Terry and Peggy <hawks2@home.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) > >Subject: [NCLENOIR] suttons >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > > >33. MOSES4 SUTTON (JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was born 02 Feb 1696 in >PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ14, and died Mar 1740 in PEAPACK, SOMERSET >CO, >NJ. He married JANNETJE BOICE 1717 in PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ14. > >Notes for MOSES SUTTON: >MOVED FROM PISCATAWAY TO BEDMINSTER TWP, SOMERSET CO, NJ ABT 1737, IN >WHICH >YEAR HE IS RECORDED AS LIVING IN LAMINGTON AND SELLING LAND AT >PISCATAWAY. >HE ASO SEEMS TO HAVE LIVED IN PEAPACK, NJ. > >SOURCE; >1. MY ANCESTRAL CHART by >2. PROBATE RECORDS NJ 1740 ON MOSES SUTTON >3. EARLY GERMANS OF NJ >4. WILL OF JOHN SUTTON 1746 NJ >5. SUTTON SEARCHERS NL 7, >6. FIRST SETTLERS OF PISCATAWAY NJ >7. SUTTONS OF NJ by E.F.H. SUTTON [PUB 1900] > > >More About MOSES SUTTON: >WILL PROVEN;: 14 Apr 1740, INTESTATE, SOMERSET NJ >OCCUPATION: WEAVER > >Children of MOSES SUTTON and JANNETJE BOICE are: > i. JOHN5 SUTTON, b. 18 Jun 1718, PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, >NJ14; >d. 1774, DOBBS CO, NC; m. ANN TURNER, c. 1750, DOBBS CO, NC?. > >Notes for JOHN SUTTON: >MOVED TO NC FROM NJ ABT 1742 > >SOURCE; >1. "SUTTONS" by >2. TAX LIST NC >3. SUTTON SEARCHERS NEWSLETTER # 11, > >1. JOHN5 SUTTON (MOSES4, JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was born 18 Jun >1718 in >PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ1, and died 1774 in DOBBS CO, NC. He >married ANN >TURNER c. 1750 in DOBBS CO, NC?, daughter of JOHN TURNER and ELIZABETH >WIGGINS. > >Notes for JOHN SUTTON: >MOVED TO NC FROM NJ ABT 1742 > >SOURCE; >1. "SUTTONS" by >2. TAX LIST NC >3. SUTTON SEARCHERS NEWSLETTER # 11, > >More About JOHN SUTTON: >MILITARY REC.: REV WAR > >Children of JOHN SUTTON and ANN TURNER are: >2. i. BENJAMIN OXLEY6 SUTTON, b. c. 1752, DOBBS CO, NC; d. >1837, >LENOIR CO, NC. > ii. THOMAS SUTTON, b. 1756, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1789, NC. >3. iii. WILLIAM SUTTON, b. 1756, DOBBS CO, NC. >4. iv. SARAH SUTTON, b. 1758, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1825, >LINCOLN >CO, GA. >5. v. JOHN SUTTON, b. 1760, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1828, >BUCKLESBERRY, GA. > vi. MARY SUTTON, b. 1763, DOBBS CO, NC. > vii. ANN ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. 1765, DOBBS CO, NC. > viii. JAMES SUTTON, b. 1767, DOBBS CO, NC. > > >Generation No. 2 > >2. BENJAMIN OXLEY6 SUTTON (JOHN5, MOSES4, JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was > >born >c. 1752 in DOBBS CO, NC, and died 1837 in LENOIR CO, NC. He married >SARAH >HARDY Bef. 1770 in NC, daughter of JOHN HARDY and PENELOPE. > >Notes for BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON: >POSSIBLE DAUGHTERS FOR BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON ARE: >WINIFRED SUTTON m JOSHUA BARWICK >ELIZABETH SUTTON m ALFRED ELLIS > > >SOURCES; >1. ISLER- SUTTON GENEALOGY >2. LOVIT HINES PAPERS OF LENOIR CO, NC >3. JOHN BRYAN PAPERS IN THE SOUTHERN COLLECTION AT UNC > >More About BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON: >WILL PROVEN;: 1837, LENOIR CO, NC? > >Children of BENJAMIN SUTTON and SARAH HARDY are: >6. i. WILLIAM7 SUTTON, b. 1770, DOBBS CO, NC?; d. Aft. 1823, >LENOIR >CO, NC. > ii. SARAH SUTTON, b. 1773, DOBBS CO, NC; m. JESSE HARDY. > >Notes for SARAH SUTTON: >FIND NO RECORDS OF SARAH SUTTON AS A DAUGHTER OF BENJAMIN O. SUTTON. > >7. iii. BENJAMIN HARDY SUTTON, b. 1775, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1815, >NC. > iv. RICHARD SUTTON, b. 1777, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1827. > v. SIMON SUTTON, b. 1779, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1830. >8. vi. JOHN SUTTON, b. 1781, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. Jun 1850, >LENOIR >CO, NC. > vii. THOMAS SUTTON, b. 1783, DOBBS CO, NC. > viii. NANCY SUTTON, b. 1785, DOBBS CO, NC; m. NO. > ix. MARY SUTTON, b. 1796; m. RICHARD ROUSE. > x. WINIFRED SUTTON, m. JOSHUA BARWICK. > xi. ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. Aft. 1780; m. ALFRED ELLIS. > >found this on sutton sit by miles sutton > > > >

Peggym Was out of town for the weekend. >From the copy of the William Hardy Bible I had, there is no indication that Jesse was his son and the Hardy Book assumes he was not and states it is not known who Jesse's father was. Jesse was not listed on the page with the other children of William and Sarah and there is NO date for his birth - not even a year, so his birthdate is rather up in the air, as far as I know. Martha >From: Terry and Peggy <hawks2@home.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) > >Resent-Bcc: > >Martha: >I have been thinking a lot about the info you sent me. I think that >because Jesse Hardy's father William Hardy was born around 1729 and his >wife Sarah Sowell was born around 1733, they were married 11/26/1751, it >makes sense that Jesse was born around 1769 and not 1779. I can't find >were I found the info on Jesse's birthyear but I feel certain that it is >correct. I know there is still more work to be done but I don't see any >proof of 1779 or 1769 so it may just be possible that 1769 is closest to >right than 1779. What do you think? >Peggy > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/QUB.2ACE/18.22.117.122.127.421.530.1 Message Board Post: Mack Outlaw's father was George Whitfield Outlaw born Feb. 3, 1850, died Feb 5, 1928. Married Charlotte Outlaw Dec 21, 1875. She was born May 4, 1850, died May 19, 1932. They had nine children. Isaac Vance, Claude (Charles), Travis, Mack D., Luther, Edward Gilmer, Susan Groves, George Lewis, Beulah, and Lula Hester Outlaw. I was reared about ten miles from where they were reared. I seem to remember Vance, Mack and Luther.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LEARY/CLARK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/489.1 Message Board Post: I have found this info since I posted last year. HENRY DAVID LEARY Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: GERTRUDE ISABELLE "GERTIE" CLARK Marriage: 14 Sep 1913 Lowland, Pamlico, North Carolina Gertrude Isabelle "Gertie" CLARK (AFN: 11TF-FJ1) Sex: F Event(s): Birth: 11 Aug 1897 Hobucken, Pamlico, Nc Death: 1 Sep 1972

33. MOSES4 SUTTON (JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was born 02 Feb 1696 in PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ14, and died Mar 1740 in PEAPACK, SOMERSET CO, NJ. He married JANNETJE BOICE 1717 in PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ14. Notes for MOSES SUTTON: MOVED FROM PISCATAWAY TO BEDMINSTER TWP, SOMERSET CO, NJ ABT 1737, IN WHICH YEAR HE IS RECORDED AS LIVING IN LAMINGTON AND SELLING LAND AT PISCATAWAY. HE ASO SEEMS TO HAVE LIVED IN PEAPACK, NJ. SOURCE; 1. MY ANCESTRAL CHART by 2. PROBATE RECORDS NJ 1740 ON MOSES SUTTON 3. EARLY GERMANS OF NJ 4. WILL OF JOHN SUTTON 1746 NJ 5. SUTTON SEARCHERS NL 7, 6. FIRST SETTLERS OF PISCATAWAY NJ 7. SUTTONS OF NJ by E.F.H. SUTTON [PUB 1900] More About MOSES SUTTON: WILL PROVEN;: 14 Apr 1740, INTESTATE, SOMERSET NJ OCCUPATION: WEAVER Children of MOSES SUTTON and JANNETJE BOICE are: i. JOHN5 SUTTON, b. 18 Jun 1718, PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ14; d. 1774, DOBBS CO, NC; m. ANN TURNER, c. 1750, DOBBS CO, NC?. Notes for JOHN SUTTON: MOVED TO NC FROM NJ ABT 1742 SOURCE; 1. "SUTTONS" by 2. TAX LIST NC 3. SUTTON SEARCHERS NEWSLETTER # 11, 1. JOHN5 SUTTON (MOSES4, JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was born 18 Jun 1718 in PISCATAWAY, MIDDLESEX CO, NJ1, and died 1774 in DOBBS CO, NC. He married ANN TURNER c. 1750 in DOBBS CO, NC?, daughter of JOHN TURNER and ELIZABETH WIGGINS. Notes for JOHN SUTTON: MOVED TO NC FROM NJ ABT 1742 SOURCE; 1. "SUTTONS" by 2. TAX LIST NC 3. SUTTON SEARCHERS NEWSLETTER # 11, More About JOHN SUTTON: MILITARY REC.: REV WAR Children of JOHN SUTTON and ANN TURNER are: 2. i. BENJAMIN OXLEY6 SUTTON, b. c. 1752, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1837, LENOIR CO, NC. ii. THOMAS SUTTON, b. 1756, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1789, NC. 3. iii. WILLIAM SUTTON, b. 1756, DOBBS CO, NC. 4. iv. SARAH SUTTON, b. 1758, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1825, LINCOLN CO, GA. 5. v. JOHN SUTTON, b. 1760, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1828, BUCKLESBERRY, GA. vi. MARY SUTTON, b. 1763, DOBBS CO, NC. vii. ANN ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. 1765, DOBBS CO, NC. viii. JAMES SUTTON, b. 1767, DOBBS CO, NC. Generation No. 2 2. BENJAMIN OXLEY6 SUTTON (JOHN5, MOSES4, JOHN3, WILLIAM2, GEORGE1) was born c. 1752 in DOBBS CO, NC, and died 1837 in LENOIR CO, NC. He married SARAH HARDY Bef. 1770 in NC, daughter of JOHN HARDY and PENELOPE. Notes for BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON: POSSIBLE DAUGHTERS FOR BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON ARE: WINIFRED SUTTON m JOSHUA BARWICK ELIZABETH SUTTON m ALFRED ELLIS SOURCES; 1. ISLER- SUTTON GENEALOGY 2. LOVIT HINES PAPERS OF LENOIR CO, NC 3. JOHN BRYAN PAPERS IN THE SOUTHERN COLLECTION AT UNC More About BENJAMIN OXLEY SUTTON: WILL PROVEN;: 1837, LENOIR CO, NC? Children of BENJAMIN SUTTON and SARAH HARDY are: 6. i. WILLIAM7 SUTTON, b. 1770, DOBBS CO, NC?; d. Aft. 1823, LENOIR CO, NC. ii. SARAH SUTTON, b. 1773, DOBBS CO, NC; m. JESSE HARDY. Notes for SARAH SUTTON: FIND NO RECORDS OF SARAH SUTTON AS A DAUGHTER OF BENJAMIN O. SUTTON. 7. iii. BENJAMIN HARDY SUTTON, b. 1775, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1815, NC. iv. RICHARD SUTTON, b. 1777, DOBBS CO, NC; d. 1827. v. SIMON SUTTON, b. 1779, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. 1830. 8. vi. JOHN SUTTON, b. 1781, DOBBS CO, NC; d. Aft. Jun 1850, LENOIR CO, NC. vii. THOMAS SUTTON, b. 1783, DOBBS CO, NC. viii. NANCY SUTTON, b. 1785, DOBBS CO, NC; m. NO. ix. MARY SUTTON, b. 1796; m. RICHARD ROUSE. x. WINIFRED SUTTON, m. JOSHUA BARWICK. xi. ELIZABETH SUTTON, b. Aft. 1780; m. ALFRED ELLIS. found this on sutton sit by miles sutton

Martha: I have been thinking a lot about the info you sent me. I think that because Jesse Hardy's father William Hardy was born around 1729 and his wife Sarah Sowell was born around 1733, they were married 11/26/1751, it makes sense that Jesse was born around 1769 and not 1779. I can't find were I found the info on Jesse's birthyear but I feel certain that it is correct. I know there is still more work to be done but I don't see any proof of 1779 or 1769 so it may just be possible that 1769 is closest to right than 1779. What do you think? Peggy

I have started researching the Radford family of Greene,Lenoir,Wayne Co.My greatgrandfather George Slaughter's sister Caroline had a daughter Nancy Slaughter 1876/1943 that married John R.Radford 1874/1948.He was the son of Henry 1843/1921 and Winnie Radford.Grandson of Lamb Radford.Dock Radford[brother to Richard--married 1st Chellie Mozingo,2nd Nannie Wiggins and 3rd Lizzie Ward Deans.Chellie Mozingo was the daughter of Bryant and Sarah Robinson Mozingo [Mozingo Cemetery--Greene Co Cemetery Records Vol.I].Their daughter Mary Mozingo married John Rouse--sister Sarah[Sally]married Thomas Aldridge Farmer.Is anyone doing any Radford research??????? Christine Fuller

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QUB.2ACE/330.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Tom: Winston Andrews is the only name I know from Lenoir co. NC. That's all I know about him. I have located his name in some court records from around 1820 or so. I don't have them in front of me right now, so that could be plus or minus a yr. William is a family name, since I believe that my great grandfather William R. Andrews is the grandson of Winston Andrews. It's a educated guess on my part, but I believe that Winston Andrews left NC about 1830-35 and arrived in Lowndes Co. MS (he's on the 1840 census). From there he went to Carroll County MS. 1850 census there shows him, and several others who I think are his sons, I'm still working on proving that. William R. Andrews' father was J.J. Andrews. I'm sorry I do not have any knowledge of the Andrews in NC, or the specific names you listed. Did any of those Andrews migrate to MS? There were several different sets who made it to this state, and may have been related, I just don't know. It has become a dead end for m! e and when I get time to start on research again, I would like to search more in Lenoir Co. Thanks for responding, Francine

I would like to extend a special welcome to William who has just joined us. He lives in the Grifton area, is an African American and is very active in the Pitt Co Family Researchers especially in the area of working with cemeteries with Bill. It appears we have a number of families in common - one way or the other - both in Pitt and Lenoir. The more we talked a couple of weeks ago, the more surnames and specific families that came up in common. William has extensive information on a number of AA families and I want to sit at his knee and learn how he has done it. This is a field, I know nothing about yet receive queries all the time and need to become more knowledgeable in order to be of assistance. Welcome, William and to our other new members. Will probably run a roll call shortly as we have a lot of new members. Martha