>From: RAHart3@aol.com >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:07:22 EST > >Martha, >I read the article Using others Work, in Rootsweb Digest and again in your >Lenoir Digest. While I agree in principle, I don't agree in practice. Most people use other people's information at one time or another - I do; however, I do try to give credit as to where it came from. Other than Ima's database, for the most part, I have not put anything on my database that is not backed up or at least circumstantial evidence. Even with her information, have tried, when possible, to find something to back it up. Like most people, I use abstracts heavily but that is also dangerous because 4 people doing an abstract of the same instrument will come up with 4 different abstracts. I have certainly made many errors in abstracting the Collections. Like you, I don't have time or access to the originals. >What I do instead is to give credit in my notes to the person who shared >their data with me. To me, that is extremely important. >In my opinion the single most important purpose in our Genealogical research >is to get it right. Amen, easier said that done especially in burned counties. When I first started this passion, Ima sat me down with a few jewels of wisdom. What she did NOT do was tell me how to go about finding primary information - said I would learn more by trial and error. Maybe, but it cost me about two years. What she DID hammer into my head was - NEVER trust someone else's information - abstracts, conclusions etc. I make it a habit of telling people to backtrack on me - they might find something I missed or drew the wrong conclusion on. I think the biggest problem is so many new people take what they find, especially on the internet as the truth and never backtrack on it. That is how bad information gets spread around so much. You have been at this long enough to be cautious but a lot of new people haven't. Now, when you find my Hart line, let me know. Going from Nansemond to Hertford to Greene does not give much hope. Martha The only way we can do that is to take conflicting >information from many sources, then try to discover which is most accurate. >The second most important objective is to give credit to the persons who have >done the work and been willing to share it with us. We are a large community >of dedicated researchers who have been more than gracious in sharing the hard >work we do. No one individual has the time or the energy to do the work >necessary to trace a family line back through the hundreds of clues they left >in the file cabinets of history. It is a group effort. > >Roger > >

I agree with Roger on this... I have used a lot of information from other researchers, especially on their particular lineage from the one I am working on, and in the beginning only have the paper copy with their name (or in notes) but now I am putting in as sources too. Most of the internet (web page) information I use is marriages, census and abstracts of deeds, other documents and cemetery information. I do not use whole family trees unless I can find documentation of some sort to support most of it, especially my direct lineage. It is a sharing community and one of the best, but just be careful and do a little checking. Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: RAHart3@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCLENOIR] Sharing Work Martha, I read the article Using others Work, in Rootsweb Digest and again in your Lenoir Digest. While I agree in principle, I don't agree in practice. I have spent over 30 years researching my Hart family and have over 16,000 names in my family file. I may have found ten percent of them or less. Most of the others are from e-mail or family trees submitted to me by other researchers willing to share. I don't have time left in my life to read all the Court minutes from all the Counties in all the States, nor do I want to scroll through all the Census data at the Genealogy Library. I have no intention of trying to reinvent the wheel every time I enter some data. What I do instead is to give credit in my notes to the person who shared their data with me. Most often they are not the one who read the census and obtained the information, but they are the ones who shared it with me. Going back to them I can help them correct errors, or find the original source. In my opinion the single most important purpose in our Genealogical research is to get it right. The only way we can do that is to take conflicting information from many sources, then try to discover which is most accurate. The second most important objective is to give credit to the persons who have done the work and been willing to share it with us. We are a large community of dedicated researchers who have been more than gracious in sharing the hard work we do. No one individual has the time or the energy to do the work necessary to trace a family line back through the hundreds of clues they left in the file cabinets of history. It is a group effort. Roger

Martha, I read the article Using others Work, in Rootsweb Digest and again in your Lenoir Digest. While I agree in principle, I don't agree in practice. I have spent over 30 years researching my Hart family and have over 16,000 names in my family file. I may have found ten percent of them or less. Most of the others are from e-mail or family trees submitted to me by other researchers willing to share. I don't have time left in my life to read all the Court minutes from all the Counties in all the States, nor do I want to scroll through all the Census data at the Genealogy Library. I have no intention of trying to reinvent the wheel every time I enter some data. What I do instead is to give credit in my notes to the person who shared their data with me. Most often they are not the one who read the census and obtained the information, but they are the ones who shared it with me. Going back to them I can help them correct errors, or find the original source. In my opinion the single most important purpose in our Genealogical research is to get it right. The only way we can do that is to take conflicting information from many sources, then try to discover which is most accurate. The second most important objective is to give credit to the persons who have done the work and been willing to share it with us. We are a large community of dedicated researchers who have been more than gracious in sharing the hard work we do. No one individual has the time or the energy to do the work necessary to trace a family line back through the hundreds of clues they left in the file cabinets of history. It is a group effort. Roger

Eric, Our ancestors never moved by themselves but in groups and I find it really interesting to see who might have moved with whom. Had forgotten about the Hartsfields from Md. or actually thought they were from Pa. Outside of Somerset Co I am totally ignorant of other parts of Md especially Baltimore Co. This is my first forey into it. According to Clair, Joppa, where Richard Caswell was from and now Abraham Taylor, is in present day Harford Co. Wonder if the Taylors and Harfields might have moved together or one because of the other or the Caswells. Might need to take a closer look at the Vestry Records as any family in them would have known about each other. Bunch of Days in it, but Patty said her husband was from New England. Martha >From: Hartsfeld@aol.com >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:40:33 EST > >Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com >Resent-Bcc: > >Martha, > >My ancestors also made the Maryland to North Carolina migration. They were >the Mackelroys and the Hartsfields. Godfrey Hartsfield last appears in >Maryland in the late 1720s when he rented a parcel of land in Baltimore >County. He first appears in Craven County/Lenoir County in 1744. As near as >I can tell, the parcel he rented is located on the western bank of the the >Susquehanna River at the Pennsylvania state line. This part of Baltimore >County, Maryland is now either in Harford County, Maryland or in York County, >Pennsylvania. The southern six miles of Pennsylvania were part of Maryland >until the 1730s. > >Eric Hartsfield, >Edmonds, Washington > >

Martha, My ancestors also made the Maryland to North Carolina migration. They were the Mackelroys and the Hartsfields. Godfrey Hartsfield last appears in Maryland in the late 1720s when he rented a parcel of land in Baltimore County. He first appears in Craven County/Lenoir County in 1744. As near as I can tell, the parcel he rented is located on the western bank of the the Susquehanna River at the Pennsylvania state line. This part of Baltimore County, Maryland is now either in Harford County, Maryland or in York County, Pennsylvania. The southern six miles of Pennsylvania were part of Maryland until the 1730s. Eric Hartsfield, Edmonds, Washington

According to Haun, there is no date on that transaction although it is probably 1733. I skipped the microfilm for Book 1 and started with Book 2. He must have lived in town for awhile because we don't see a patent for him until 1748. Thanks. Martha >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1914562-175-1010100237-mmarble=erols.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Sender: Jwhsearch@aol.com >X-Apparently-To: JCNCFamilys@egroups.com >To: mmarble@erols.com, NCDOBBS-L@rootsweb.com, NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com, > nccraven@usgennet.org, JCNCFamilys@yahoogroups.com, > NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 >From: jwhsearch@aol.com >X-Yahoo-Profile: fonvillejudi >Mailing-List: list JCNCFamilys@yahoogroups.com; contact JCNCFamilys-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list JCNCFamilys@yahoogroups.com >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:JCNCFamilys-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:43 EST >Subject: [JCNCFamilys] Re: NCCraven: Abraham Taylor - Md to NC >Reply-To: JCNCFamilys@yahoogroups.com > > Craven co, NC reference showing Abraham Taylor probably moved in 1733. > > Abraham Taylor of Baltimore, MD bought lot #41 joining William Hancock's >back line in New Bern, NC 1733, p. 267 [Craven county, North Carolina Deed >Book 1, 1730-1762, FHL film 18638] > > Judi Hansen > jwhsearch@AOL.COM > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > JCNCFamilys-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Craven co, NC reference showing Abraham Taylor probably moved in 1733. Abraham Taylor of Baltimore, MD bought lot #41 joining William Hancock's back line in New Bern, NC 1733, p. 267 [Craven county, North Carolina Deed Book 1, 1730-1762, FHL film 18638] Judi Hansen jwhsearch@AOL.COM

Martha, you mentioned Maryland which got me to thinking. How or what would I access to find relatives in Bethesda, Maryland? I only have the womans first name and married name and the names of her children. Hattie D. Arnold and 3 girls Dorothy, Peggy and Barbara. Her husband worked for the Government. I know they were there in the 60's as my father would go visit her. Any suggestion would be much appreciated. Mary Lenoir

In Baltimore County, Md I saw the following surnames that also appear in early Craven and Dobbs Co I noticed the following surnames that appear in Craven, Dobbs or Jones - Rhodes (William, Richard, Benjamin), Foy, Howard, Pettis Abraham Taylor who had a will in Johnston Co (now LEnoir, maybe) lived in that area of Baltimore Co called Joppa. That is interesting since that is where Richard Caswell came from. Exactly where Abraham's land would be found today is a little uncertain because Gloria and I can't get a handle on South West Creek. Certainly some of it was in todays Lenoir but some may have been in Craven and Jones. In any event, we had seen the exact birthdates of Abraham's children but no documentation and found it yesterday in the Parish Records. It is not clear who Abraham's father was but probably Abraham Sr who was a vestryman at St. John's Parish. It has been said that Isaac Taylor who had a large family in Lenoir and Greene was a grandson of old Abraham but no proof. The information we found did give a son Isaac with a specific birthdate. That was not found in the vestry records but the index obviously missed a bunch of entries and going through it page by page would probably turn up Isaac as a son. Prudence did not have an entry as she was born after they moved to NC but she is remembered in her father's will. Isaac was not, indicating he had already died without heirs. Abraham had a 2nd wife in his will. Gloria and Martha Abraham was a vestryman at St. John's which was originally Copley Parish in 1693 - ST. JOHN'S AND ST. GEORGE'S PARISH REGISTER - 1696 - 1851 - by Henry C. Peden, Jr. Abraham Taylor and Dinna White were married 20 ____ - the other people on this page were married 1712 - 1714 Jacob son of Abraham and Diana - b 5 Oct 1714 Robert son of Abraham and Diana - 13 Oct ____ Ann daughter of Abraham and Diana b 29 March 1712 Rachell daughter of Abraham and Diana b 9 Oct 1717 Joseph son of Abraham and Diana b 20 Oct 1720 Jacob son of Abraham and Diana - b 6 Oct 1713 (sic) Joseph son of Abraham and Dinal b 19 Oct 1720 (sic) Prudence was not listed unless she was not in the index and there are a number of people not indexed so I noticed. Abraham Taylor Sr died 20 July 1719 MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS Abraham Taylor - written 1717 - pr 6 Aug 1719 - Baltimore Co - son John executor - 100 acres (Ayes) Addition, sons Abraham and John and daughter Lettice Dottrage (she married WIlliam also spelled Doddridge In addition there was a John on the records with two wives - Judith who had several children and then died and Rachel York. John and Judith had a son Abraham so this was probably the son of the older Abraham.

Hope those of you "socked" in today down south enjoy it. Good excuse to catch up on your research. This was in the new ROOTSWEB Review as a reminder. Few researchers mind sharing but we do like credit for our years of work. Martha USING OTHERS' WORK By Linda Valentine valentine53179@hotmail.com I think it is again time to remind Internet users to put ONLY data on their Web pages and personal charts AFTER they have documented for themselves, and after they have approval from the persons that they obtained it from! I have found my material on all of the genealogy sites in some form or other. Some of my material was given in partial, but it was still used. Some was given more fully and it was used or misstated, and misentered. In all the cases, it was just blatantly copied. So the high percentage of Internet users (as per an Ancestry.com recent poll) could indicate that there are many who simply GATHER from others, and the Internet is the quickest way to gather! Merely copying someone else's work should not make us proud. Knowing that the information is actually documented, and finding it one's self is really what should make us proud to say "I've traced my family back to _______ (fill in the blank).

I have a list of the British Regiments but no rosters 1775 - 1782 compliments of Jack Elfred FAIRFAX, deceased June, 2001, England, at this point ...{:(. I'm sure a whole bunch of NC researchers could use the rosters whenever somebody "across the pond" transcribes them ...{:). Maybe www.Ancestry.com folks would be interested?! Dan Fairfax Nashville, Tennessee dfairfax@nespower.com ============================ -----Original Message----- From: Billie H. DeVane [mailto:bdevane@intrstar.net] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 4:49 PM To: Fairfax, Dan Subject: Re: [NC-SC] Military Data Base - FAIRFAX British Soldiers Dan, Does this search for British regiment soldiers who chose to stay in America pertain only to Fairfax or can it be universal? Billie

Evelyn has sent numerous Greene cemeteries for posting that she has visited over the years. Guy said about 15. Thank you so much Evelyn - they are a great asset!!! And thanks to Guy for posting. I have checked out a couple of them already and will do the rest. Martha

The last text file of the Industrial Issue of the Free Press was posted tonight on the archives!!!! Many thanks to all the people who did the typing and to Guy for the re-formatting and posting. This was a great undertaking. We look forward to Patty getting the rest of the pictures posted on Dobbers. Martha

Just forwarding this >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:31:51 -0700 >X-From_: M2dws@aol.com Tue Jan 1 13:31:51 2002 >From: M2dws@aol.com >Old-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:31:52 EST >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10551 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Old Lenoir Co. Surnames/Old Photos >X-Envelope-To: NCLENOIR-L > >Hello, I have a photo's of most of the folks listed below. If you would like >a copy, >please let me know. Or if you have a photo of any of these folks listed, >please contact me, I would love to add to my collection. > >Lemuel Hill born 10 July 1804 and died 30 June 1887. He married Elizabeth >Suggs >Their son was Josiah Hill. Josiah was born 10 Aug 1845 and married Elizabeth >???? >Josiah and Elizabeth's daughter was Joella Hill born 27 Sept 1885. Joella >married John Davis born 13 July 1882. >Additional children of Josiah Hill and Elendar were >W. G. >Mary >P Roni >Vina >Son of Josiah and Dora was Jiles > >Also, Senas Davis born 10 June, 1853 in Pink Hill married to Laura Whaley >born 14 July, 1862 Their son, John Davis born 13 July 1882 married Joella >Hill born 27 Sept 1885. I think Senas' Dad was James (Jim) M. Davis m. >Elizabeth (Betsy) Everette > >Franklin Peele born 8 Aug 1876 married Ellin (died young) and Nina Smith. >Child of Franklin and Nina was Randle Peele born 4 Jan, 1904. > >Thanks, > >Mark > > >

Gloria and I are getting very frustrated. Does anyone know of a county line change between LEnoir, Craven and or Jones that involves Southwest Creek on the east end. At late as 1820's. We are finding frequent references to Southwest Creek in Craven Co as late as the 1820's yet I can't find a SW Creek in either Craven or Jones. There is nothing in the county formation book that mentions a change. THere are also indications it was SS of the Trent River and at no time does SW Creek appear SS of the Trent - at least today. I know that Daniel Simmons left his widow land on SW Creek (we think the homeplace) and then to his son Abraham. Daniel Simmons lived in Jones Co, his son Abraham appears on the Jones Census, Abraham's widow appears on the Jones Census, some of my cousins still own that land today and it is in LEnoir just before SW Creek flows into the Neuse River. We are trying to pinpoint where some of the Taylor families lived and a number of them were up and down SW Creek. Mine appear to be on the west side close to Deep Run. Abraham, Jacob and William and a John also had land on SW Creek and we can't figure out where. THanks. Martha

My New Years Resolution is to focus on Old Dobbers and the other NC sites I need to post information to. Thanks for your patience, or at least for swearing behind my back. Sometimes my family take up a lot of my time, but I love them. I plan to start with the posts to the archives I have received and then finish up the INDUSTRUAL ISSUE off the Free Press. I will also need to update some of the Old Dobbers Pages. There are new links I want to add also. If you have a personal website you would like Old Dobbers to provide a link to, please send me the information you want listed and the URL. I hope you all have a safe New Years Eve and I look forward to our continued association in 2002. Patty ===== Old Dobbers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~paday/dobbers/index.htm Greene Co., NC US GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgreene Lenoir Co. NC, US GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nclenoir/ Craven Co., and Dobbs Co., US N.C. GenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/ncfiles.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

Thomas Wright Hardy has written a wonderful article documenting his finding in the "Possible Progress in Re-discovering the Homes & Gravesites of Lemuel Hardy II (1730-1797)& Benjamin Hardy (1732-1790)". This article includes info for Lenoir Co and Green Co, NC and the Hardy Sutton, Aldridge, Mewborn & Stanton families. I have placed his article on our web page so a lengthy e:mail and/or an attachment was avoided here. Please read this article at: http://www.geocities.com/bjhughes.geo/rediscovery.html belinda melton hughes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BJs Genealogy Site www.geocities.com/bjhughes.geo/

During an escape from the house this week (remind me to never again take vacation when the wife & kid are home!!!!!!!!), I was able to get over to the Archives and do some searching. For the first time I went through a couple of films of the Southern Claims Commission. During the scan through film 2, I found the deposition of I.M. Rose of Abingdon taken in support of the claim of Aron Hendriks of Abingdon. This was interesting enough that I have transcribed it and put it out on the site. Mr. Rose was an eyewitness to the Federal raid on Abingdon in which Capt. Wyatt was killed. His description defers slightly from The History of the 13th Regiment TN Volunteer Cavalry in that the authors, Scott & Angel, state that Capt. Wyatt was killed by citizens while Mr. Rose says Confederate soldiers shot him. Perhaps it was just a manner of semantics? Also, I transcribed a list of Officers of the 1st NC Battalion of Continental Troops, 9/1775-9/1778. This film or the source, or both, was in awful shape and necessitated more question marks than I like to put in a transcription. In addition, I was 90% through with the conversion to HTML when I realized I had not sorted the blessed thing alphabetically by surname. I may go back at a later date and redo it alphabetically. Both files can be found at my site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familyinformation/ Click on Transcripts, then History and the links will be under the NEW section Well, back to work...the wife came down early this week and took really a good look at my work area. After letting out a screech that a scalp hungry Shawnee would have been proud of, she launched into a soliquoy were the recurring theme was "clean it up or get it out". Non-genealogists just don't understand <sigh>. Best of wishes, Paper cut Billy

Nora Farmer[daughter of William and Rachel Carlyle Farmer]married Joe Lloyd Hill born 11-29-1908.Joe was a barber in Kinston.He was the son of Abram and Emma Howell Hill.Does anyone know who Abram or Emma's parents were?? Christine

Sue meant this to go to the list. Oh yes, some REAL interesting information on the Barfields in those court records. >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:23:56 -0500 >Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] Barfields in Pink Hill >From: "Sue Guptill" <sguptill@mindspring.com> >To: Martha Marble <mmarble@erols.com> > >Helen, > >Also look in Greene Co. (which also doesn't have very good records, >unfortunately). If you check the Craven Co. GenWeb archives you'll see court >records that I've posted over the past year. There is quite a bit of >Barfield information in there--some kind of hair-raising, actually. I don't >know if they're yours, but if so, some do give actual genealogy information. >The Barfields in those records seem to be from Greene Co., but I think they >moved around some, too. > >These court records were for New Bern District court, which covers a number >of counties including Lenoir, Greene, Pitt, and Wayne--all burned counties. >Since they were not stored in any of the burned counties, they are intact. > >Sue Guptill > >---------- >>From: Martha Marble <mmarble@erols.com> >>To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NCLENOIR] Barfields in Pink Hill >>Date: Fri, Dec 28, 2001, 7:36 PM >> > >> First, welcome to the List. >> >> There are no records in Lenoir Co earlier than 1880 when the courthouse >> burned except in private Collections. Run a Barfield Search on the Lenoir >> Co Archives - there are some records for the family scattered through the >> archives. Also, you need to check Duplin Co because a lot of the Barfields >> lived there and there are a lot of records for Lenoir folks who lived in >> the Pink Hill area in Duplin. >> >> Martha >> >> >>>Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:23:37 -0700 >>>X-Original-Sender: BOOKERHP@aol.com Fri Dec 28 14:23:37 2001 >>>From: BOOKERHP@aol.com >>>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:23:36 EST >>>Old-To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >>>X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 >>>Subject: [NCLENOIR] Barfields in Pink Hill >>>To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >>>Resent-From: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >>>X-Mailing-List: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1118 >>>X-Loop: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >>>Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>Resent-Bcc: >>> >>>I am new to this list and would like to know where I can find more >>>information about Mary (Inman) Barfield who was last found in the 1800 >> census >>>in Lenoir County. Would there be land records, wills, etc.? She had 5 >>>daughters listed and no sons and her husband, Shadrack Barfield, >> pre-deceased >>>her either in Lenoir or Robeson County. >>> >>>Any help will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>Helen in California >>>(Descendant of Nancy Barfield and Loftin Nethercutt) >>> >>> >> >