Martha, While on the subject of Westbrooks, here's another: Moses Charles Westbrook MCW married Julia Westbrook(31 Oct. 1820-24 Oct. 1875), the daughter of Charles and Winifred Westbrook MCW was buried in West Point. According to his headstone he was born in NC, the son of James and Margaret Westbrook with dates 9 Mar. 1817-22 Dec. 1848. According to Mrs. Ropp's history of the Charles Westbrook family MCW was born in Lenoir County, but I don't know what her source was, although she does cite an estate record for MCW. I don't know who MCW's father James was. However, Charles Westbrook apparently had a brother James born 30 Dec. 1772, who would be a likely candidate. After MCW's death, his widow, and presumably his cousin, married on 8 Aug. 1849 to yet another Westbrook--Andrew J.G. Westbrook, b. ca. 1828 TN. Technically speaking MCW'ss widow's name would have become Julia Westbrook Westbrook Westbrook. It's enough to make your head swim. Jack

Martha, I can only add a few bits of additional information. I am aware of these Westbrooks but can't, as of yet, fit them into the bigger picture. Here's what I have right off hand: I checked a transcript of the 1840 Oktibbeha County census and found no Westbrooks. However, it's a different story for Lowndes County. 1850 census, Oktibbeha County, MS from FAMILIES OF OKTIBBEHA COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI 1850 [this is a transcript of the free schedule from the 1850 census], by Katie-Prince Ward Esker, n.d. household #11 Charles C. Westbrook 37M farmer NC Mary 21F AL Sarah 6F MS William 3M MS Mary 2F MS Infant 10/12F MS household #611 Elias Westbrook 28M farmer NC Elizabeth 18F AL Sarah 5F NC household #614 Benjamn Exum 36M farmer NC Sarah 28F NC Jesse 10M NC Titus 8M NC Piercis 6F NC James 4M NC Lewis 2M MS This is, of course, the Benjamin H. and Sarah Ann Westbrook Exum that I'm descended from. The full name of "Titus" was "Titus Carr." I'm sure that you will agree with my observation that the proximity of the Elias Westbrook household to that of the Benjamin Exum household is indeed suggestive, particularly when you have noted that Elias was a common Carr name. My speculation has been that Sarah Ann Westbrook Exum's mother was a Carr, perhaps a daughter of Titus Sr. and her father was possibly Henry Westbrook, the son of Charles Westbrook. Henry was living in the same district of Greene county as BHE's family according to the 1816 tax roll for Greene County, NC. Proximity of the two households in 1850 along with the ages of Elias and Sarah certainly suggests that they might well have been siblings. Sarah's age as rendered here in the census is apparently incorrect. Her marker in Greenwood Cemetery, West Point, indicates that she died January 28, 1890, aged 75, implying a birth date of 1814/1815. Birthplaces of the children in both households suggests a relatively recent arrival in Oktibbeha County from NC. Also note that Elias has a daughter Sarah. Quite a few coincidences. household #370 Rachael Carr 54 NC Julia 28 NC Thomas 27M farmer NC Ruphas 20M farmer NC Dabney 15M farmer NC I have no idea who these folks are. I cannot help but note the name Dabney Carr, which is the same name as Thomas Jefferson's close friend and brother-in-law who was the first person buried in the Monticello Cemetery. household #744 Moses F. Westbrook 45M sheriff NC Frances 37F NC John 16M student NC Permelia 12F NC Patrick 11M MS Poke 9M MS Virginia 9F MS Idella 3F MS Moses F. Westbrook is listed in the 1840 census for Lowndes County, immediately adjacent to a James Westbrook. Same census, preceding Moses F. and separated by 8 households are (in sequence): Allen Carr. Thomas Holliday, Chasrles Westbrook, and Moses Westbrook I might note that Lowndes County and Oktibbeha County are adjacent to one another. In 1872 substantial portions of Lowndes and Oktibbeha along with portions of Chickasaw and Monroe went to make up Clay County. West Point was originally in Lowndes, however it was only about a mile or less westward to the Oktibbeha County line. I don't know if you're aware of this; however it might be of interest: 1850 Lowndes County Census from typescript compiled by Betty Wood Thomas, 1850 CENSUS LOWNDES COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI, Blewett Company, Columbus, MS, 1978 household #356 John F. Carr 45M planter NC 19 slaves Salina 40F NC Melissa 16F NC Thomas 14M MS Margaret 9F MS John 7M MS Louisa R 9/12F MS Also: from Thomas Battle Carroll, HISTORICAL SKETCHES OF OKTIBBEHA COUNTY, Dixie Press, Gulfport, MS, 1931, reprint edition, Sullivan's Printing, West Point, MS 1983 p. 49 "In 1841, Moses S. [sic, should be "F."] Westbrook succeeded James Eastland as sheriff. He remained in office until 1857. He was a slaveholder living near our Black Jack [community]." p. 67 "Moses F. Westbrook, of the eastern quarter of the county, who had become sheriff, as you probably remember in 1841, remained in office until 1857." These are just odd-and-ends that I had on hand. I don't believe that I've checked later Oktibbeha County censuses or cemetery records for them. So more could be forthcoming. Also regarding Thomas Hardy Kennedy, I don't have anything on hand. However, I would have had no reason to look for him in the past. I'll bet that he's in the 1850 OK CO census. I'll check when I have an opportunity. Hope this is of interest, Jack Martha Marble wrote: > > Jack, > > I have a couple of odd Westbrooks on my database sent by a researcher and > list member on the Kennedy family. No documentation but it is probably > right. Can you fill in the blanks? The names imply a connection to your > crowd and don't want a double entry. > > Thomas Hardy Kennedy bc 1806 in Lenoir Co - d 1853 in Oktibbeha, Ms (his > mother was one my my Hardee/Croom lines from Lenoir) > > md Sarah M. Shaw in Lawrence Co, Alabama > > They lived in Franklin and Sumter Co, Ala then moved to Oktibbeha, Ms > > They had two daughters who married Westbrooks I assume in Oktibbeha Co, Ms. > > Mary Francis md Charles C. Westbrook - bc 1828 - Mary Francis died in Pike Co > > Noted that Moses and Sidney Ann Carr Westbrook had a son Charles born in > 1838 in Lenoir Co but his initials appear to be Charles A. > > Louisa ELizabeth md Elias C. Westbrook - ca 1850 - he was bc 1822 > > Elias is a big Carr name. > > Thanks. > > Martha > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jack, I have a couple of odd Westbrooks on my database sent by a researcher and list member on the Kennedy family. No documentation but it is probably right. Can you fill in the blanks? The names imply a connection to your crowd and don't want a double entry. Thomas Hardy Kennedy bc 1806 in Lenoir Co - d 1853 in Oktibbeha, Ms (his mother was one my my Hardee/Croom lines from Lenoir) md Sarah M. Shaw in Lawrence Co, Alabama They lived in Franklin and Sumter Co, Ala then moved to Oktibbeha, Ms They had two daughters who married Westbrooks I assume in Oktibbeha Co, Ms. Mary Francis md Charles C. Westbrook - bc 1828 - Mary Francis died in Pike Co Noted that Moses and Sidney Ann Carr Westbrook had a son Charles born in 1838 in Lenoir Co but his initials appear to be Charles A. Louisa ELizabeth md Elias C. Westbrook - ca 1850 - he was bc 1822 Elias is a big Carr name. Thanks. Martha

Guy just sent this. I don't know the connections between the Jones and Greene/Lenoir Co Westbrooks. M Does this will of Sloan's help out with that ? It's new. Jones County http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/jones/wills/westbrook4.txt Guy

Guy has just posted the two Westbrook Bibles on Lenoir and Greene from Jack. Also the Standley/Westbrook Bibles on Jones which I thought was already posted and could not find. Many thanks to Jack. The Carr information has plugged a HUGE hole Ruth and I had in the Carr family. Lenoir Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/lenoir.htm

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------701D779A11BF83FB2F572779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------701D779A11BF83FB2F572779 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3C733C5C.7C7F433F@erols.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:04:12 -0500 From: Ruth Fentress <ruthbf@erols.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Starpower} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jr., Jack D. Elliott," <jde3@ra.msstate.edu>, mmarble@erols.com, NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com, "Jr., Jack D. Elliott," <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> Subject: William Westbrook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, It seems likely that William Westbrook, b. 7 Dec. 1778 [Rose posted] might also have been a son of Moses & Percie (Young) Westbrook, and, i f so, he might have been the one who married Winefred (____) Edwards, widow of Thomas Edwards who died 1816. ----abstract of court case I sent you Feb. 8th. The case said Winefred the widow md. William Westbrook of Greene Co., NC, , and they were living in Fayetteville, Cumberland Co.,NC, on 21 & 22 of September 1821. On their way south ?? Winnefred had md Edwards in Jan. 1809 but I haven't any dates for her or for Wm Westbrook. I never tried to learn what happened to them. Ruth Fentress --------------701D779A11BF83FB2F572779--

Forgotten that one. Has to be the same Charles. Still think he was married to Dorothy, sister of the Croom boys at least the first time. Can't prove it. Thanks for the reminder. Just too many loose ends. Martha >Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:58:55 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: rparks102@msn.com Tue Feb 19 15:58:54 2002 >X-Originating-IP: [63.25.110.218] >From: "Rose Parks" <rparks102@msn.com> >Old-To: "NCGREENE-L" <NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com>, > "NCLENOIR" <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] [NCGREENE] YOUNG, CROOM, Westbrook, Simmons, et al. >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:52:07 -0600 >X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 22:58:44.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB20C180:01C1B998] >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1374 >X-Loop: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com >Resent-Bcc: > >Are you speaking about the Charles Young who died with will in Oct. 1763 Dobbs Co. ("Returns of Wills . granted in NC, 1753-1790_) by Ransom McBride, published in NCGSJ of May 88) >Richard Caswell and Grace Young are Executors, no security named. > >Or is this an earlier one? >Rose > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Martha Marble >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:54 PM >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NCLENOIR] [NCGREENE] YOUNG, CROOM, Westbrook, Simmons, et al. > >Jack, > >Thanks for the recap. It helps a lot. > >Now, I have Charles Young on my database - no wife. Got to be the same >Charles Young. From the records of list member Charles. Charles Young had a >daughter Martha who married Spencer Caldwell. Their children were - Samuel, >Simon, Joshua, Mary, Robert, Spencer, John and Charles Y. Caldwell. >Children born in the late 1760/s, 1770s, 1780. Martha and Persis must have >been sisters. > >Somewhere in the back of my mind seems like there was some speculation that >a Daniel Young married Dorothy, daughter of Abel Croom. Abel Croom had a >sister, Dorothy. Based on the below from Francis > >>>Just checked. There's a 1782 indenture between Daniel Young (ee) and >>>Dorothy Young (or) for 100 acres on east side of Groundnut Creek. I think >>>this is land which I currently own. I have Abe Croom Young as a witness. > >I think there has also been some speculation that Charles Young was married >to Dorothy, sister to Abel, Major and Jesse Croom. The father of the Crooms >in Goochland/Henrico Co, Va was Daniel Croom. > >Wonder if Daniel Young was a son of Charles and brother to Martha and Persis? > >Spencer Caldwell was the son of Robert and Winifred Watts Caldwell from >SOmerset Co, Md. Robert died when Spencer was a small child and Winifred >remarried Isaac Tull and they moved to Dobbs Co with her son Spencer Caldwell. > >Martha > >

Martha Jack and List, Martha, my information on the children of Abraham Bussett Simmon's children matches your...... I also have that it was his daughter Winifred who married Charles Westbrook..... I have nothing else on this family tho, and if I have missed it being posted on the list DRATS!!! Jack, you mentioned a bible for the Charles Westbrook family........ would be deeply indebted if you could share what infor,ation it contains on the descendants of Winifred and her husband Charles..... I am trying to put some kind of comprehensive data base together for the Simmons/Simons family. There has been quite a bit of research dome on this family, but most research just follows downone or the other son's lines....... I would be most appreciative of any info you could provide. Tracy Putnam ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jack D. Elliott, Jr." <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> Reply-To: jde3@ra.msstate.edu To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCLENOIR] Re: [NCGREENE] Westbrooks/Simmons Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:00:38 -0600 Martha, It appears that I made a mistake reading Mrs. Ropp's history of the Charles Westbrook family. Apparently she was in fact saying that Abraham Busset Simmons was the father-in-law of CHARLES Westbrook, not Moses (Charles's father) and the father of Winifred Simmons Westbrook. Mrs. Ropp's text reads: "Charles Westbrook and his wife, Winifred Simmons, of Lenoir County, N.C., came to Lowndes County, Miss. (now Clay County), in 1839. He was the son of Moses Westbrook, a Revolutionary soldier. His wife was a daughter of a Revolutionary soldier, Abraham Bassett (or Bussett) Simons of Jones County, N.C." Reading this hurriedly to respond to an email message (and I should know better than to read anything too hurriedly), I made the mistake of associating the possessive pronoun "his" in the last sentence with the last previously mentioned male--Moses Westbrook--instead of associating it with Charles. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Jack Martha Marble wrote: > > I am not that well versed on all the Simmons families so Tracy you or > someone correct me. From the information I have something is not right with > this Moses Westbrook - Percis Simmons line. Am running all of this since > sending to the Jones list. > > I have the following information > > Abraham Bussett Simmons married 3 times - Rachel Lavender, Lucy Gunter, and > Sarah Watson. In his Will, which I don't have, he mentioned his son in law > Charles Westbrook. Charles md Winifred Simmons who was born in 1778. > > The following Bible records > > Abraham Bussett Simmons and Rachel Bryan were married Feb. 28, 1764. > Rachel Bryan daughter of William Lavender and Rachel his wife was born > March 20, 1737. > Children: > Mary Simmons was born Jan. 16, 1765. > Dovey Simmons was born March 11, 1766. > Laney (Eleanor) Simmons was born April 24, 1767. > Lavender Simmons was born Jan. 19, 1769. > Betsy Simmons was born July 7, 1770. > Regin (Lezin?) Simmons was born April 19, 1772. > Bonetta Simmons was born May 16, 1774. > Liberty Simmons was born July 4, 1776. > Winnifred Simmons was born July 5, 1778. > > >From notes of Tucker R. Littleton found on page 111 of Onslow Register > Records of Onslow & Jones County Citizens and Related Families, Vol. 2, > by Roger E. Kammerer - 1988 > > Martha > > >Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:40:02 -0700 > >X-Original-Sender: jde3@ra.msstate.edu Tue Feb 19 08:40:01 2002 > >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:40:10 -0600 > >From: "Jack D. Elliott, Jr." <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> > >Reply-To: jde3@ra.msstate.edu > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) > >Old-To: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@coastalnet.com>, > > "NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com" <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com>, > > "Greg W. Lasley" <glasley@earthlink.net>, Mary Makima <TenTudo@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] correction: re Westbrooks > >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1365 > >X-Loop: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Trish, > > > >Sorry about the delay in answering. However, I received your message at > >home over a long weekend where I do not have my sources. Had to wait to > >get back to the office to have sources before me, so that I could answer > >intelligently. > > > >It appears, as you will see below, that your Sallie Westbrook Darden, > >was indeed a sister of Charles Westbrook (1774-1843) and a daughter of a > >Moses Westbrook who married apparently a Percis Simons/Simmons. > > > >I answer your questions below: > > > >> Are you saying that Charles had a son named Henry and also a brother named > >> Henry? > > > >Charles apparently did not have a son named Henry. He very likely did > >have a brother named Henry if we can infer that the long line of > >sequential births, which included Charles and Henry, (referring here to > >the Charles Westbrook Bible) were all siblings. > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > This speculation is based on what is usually referred to as the James W. > >> > Prowell bible which identifies a number of Westbrook births .... > > > >> > > >> > James 30 Dec. 1772 > >> > Charles 22 Dec. 1774 > >> > Simon 14 Dec. 1776 > >> > John 17 Dec. 1779 > >> > Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 > >> > Henry 10 May 1782 > >> > Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 > >> > Mary 25 Dec. 1786 > >> > Moses 9 May 1788 > >> > Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 > >> > > >> > >> Do you think all the above are children of Moses Westbrook? > > > >I PRESUME that they are but don't know. First, as noted above they > >appear to be siblings by virtue of the proximity and sequence in time of > >their births. Second, Nell Coleman Ropp's history of the Charles > >Westbrook family which appeared on pages 785-786 of the Clay County MS > >history book identifies Charles's parents as being Moses Westbrook and > >an unnamed daughter of Abram Bassett Simons of Jones County, NC. If > >these two contentions are correct then the above are all children of > >Moses Westbrook. > > > > > >> > >> I am sending the following information which I had in my data on Moses and > >> Persis Westbrook, from Chronicles of Pitt County, North Carolina. > >> > >> They are listed as parents of Sally Westbrook who married Abraham Darden. > >> Her birthdate is the same as the Sarah you listed from the Prowell (or > is it > >> Powell?) bible. > > > >It's "Prowell" with an "r", however, I prefer to call it the "Charles > >Westbrook Bible" because the entries have nothing to do with the > >Prowells. The Bible apparently passed down to Westbrook descendants by > >the name of Prowell. > > > >Yes, Sarah/Sally's birthdate is the same. Bet it's the same lady. > > > >> > >> I wonder if Persis was a Prowell/Powell?? > > > >No. As noted Prowell was a later name to come in. However, as you > >probably noted, Nell Ropp had the maiden name of Moses's wife "Simons" > >(could it also be "Simmons"?) but not her given name. You have her > >given name but not her maiden name. Putting two and two together looks > >like her name was Percis Simons/Simmons. > > > >> > >> (1) 1 Moses WESTBROOK 1 > >> > >> Spouse: Persis __________ 1 > >> > >> Children: > >> Sally (1781-1830) > >> > >> (2) 1.1 Sally WESTBROOK 1,2 > >> Birth: 22 Sep 1781 1 > >> Death: 1830-1840 1 > >> Marr: 8 Sep 1803 1 > >> > >> Spouse: Abraham DARDEN 1,2 > >> > >> > >> Trish Worthington Cobb > >> PO Box 486, Winterville, NC 28590 > >> turniproots@coastalnet.com > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Are you speaking about the Charles Young who died with will in Oct. 1763 Dobbs Co. ("Returns of Wills . granted in NC, 1753-1790_) by Ransom McBride, published in NCGSJ of May 88) Richard Caswell and Grace Young are Executors, no security named. Or is this an earlier one? Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: Martha Marble Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:54 PM To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCLENOIR] [NCGREENE] YOUNG, CROOM, Westbrook, Simmons, et al. Jack, Thanks for the recap. It helps a lot. Now, I have Charles Young on my database - no wife. Got to be the same Charles Young. From the records of list member Charles. Charles Young had a daughter Martha who married Spencer Caldwell. Their children were - Samuel, Simon, Joshua, Mary, Robert, Spencer, John and Charles Y. Caldwell. Children born in the late 1760/s, 1770s, 1780. Martha and Persis must have been sisters. Somewhere in the back of my mind seems like there was some speculation that a Daniel Young married Dorothy, daughter of Abel Croom. Abel Croom had a sister, Dorothy. Based on the below from Francis >>Just checked. There's a 1782 indenture between Daniel Young (ee) and >>Dorothy Young (or) for 100 acres on east side of Groundnut Creek. I think >>this is land which I currently own. I have Abe Croom Young as a witness. I think there has also been some speculation that Charles Young was married to Dorothy, sister to Abel, Major and Jesse Croom. The father of the Crooms in Goochland/Henrico Co, Va was Daniel Croom. Wonder if Daniel Young was a son of Charles and brother to Martha and Persis? Spencer Caldwell was the son of Robert and Winifred Watts Caldwell from SOmerset Co, Md. Robert died when Spencer was a small child and Winifred remarried Isaac Tull and they moved to Dobbs Co with her son Spencer Caldwell. Martha

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC0E8B78DF0DECC2CB9D661E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears to me that the forwarded message below (which I had already sent to the two of you) gives us a pretty good idea as to how the name Percis came into the Westbrook and Exum lines, via Percis Young who married Moses Westbrook in about 1770. If, as seems quite probable, Henry Westbrook (b. 1782), the son of Moses and Percis Westbrook, was indeed the father of Sarah Ann (ca. 1815-1890) and Percis Westbrook, then we would have the connection. The possibility of Henry's being the father of these two women seems all the more probable considering that there was a Henry Westbrook living in the same district of Greene County NC as the widowed Amy Jordan Exum was living in 1816, as per the tax roll of that year. The son of Amy and Jesse Exum--Benjamin H. Exum (1811-1892)--of course, married Sarah Ann Westbrook on Nov. 23, 1836. Furthermore, one might speculate as to how the Titus Carr name entered the Exum line (i.e. with Benjamin and Sarah Ann's son Titus Carr Exum ca. 1842-1905). Here my hunch is that Sarah Ann and Percis's mother was a Carr who married Henry Westbrook. She might very well have been a daughter of Titus Carr, Sr. Ruth Fentress provided me with a list of the children of Titus, Sr.. Among the four daughters listed, Nancy and Sarah have known spouses. She did not have spouses listed for Winifred and Priscilla, either of whom could conceivably have married Henry Westbrook, if our scenario is correct. Priscilla may be the somewhat more likely spouse, in that Benjamin and Sarah Ann Westbrook Exum named one of their daughters Priscilla Florence (1852-1882) whereas they did not use the name Winifred. Just thinkin' Jack Jack --------------AC0E8B78DF0DECC2CB9D661E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3C72920F.BDB09338@ra.msstate.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:57:35 -0600 From: "Jack D. Elliott, Jr." <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> Reply-To: jde3@ra.msstate.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com" <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com>, "NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com" <NCGREENE-L@rootsweb.com>, "Greg W. Lasley" <glasley@earthlink.net>, Mary Makima <TenTudo@aol.com> Subject: Westbrook, Simmons, et al. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After some rambling discussion, I thought that I might give a brief recap, based upon some of the recent contributions, which might help to organize it in everyone's mind: Moses Westbrook, of Dobbs County, married Percis Young, daughter of Charles Young given the list from the Charles Westbrook family Bible of probable children of Moses and Percis, then the couple were probably married ca. 1770, by virtue of the earliest birthdate being in 1772. Probable children from the Charles Westbrook Bible with additions pertaining to marriages: James 30 Dec. 1772 Charles 22 Dec. 1774 m. Winifred Simmons Simon 14 Dec. 1776 William 7 Dec. 1778 John 17 Dec. 1779 Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 m. 8 Sept., 1803 to Abraham Darden Henry 10 May 1782 Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 Mary 25 Dec. 1786 Moses 9 May 1788 Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 The Charles Westbrook Bible records has the following entries which probably refer to the couple Moses and Percis Young Westbrook: Moses Westbrook Sr. Deceased this life 9th Septr. 1816" Percis Westbrook Senr Deceased this Life the 1th [sic] day October 1830" One of the children of Moses and Percis was Charles Westbrook. according to the Charles Westbrook Bible, Charles was born Dec. 22, 1774 and died October 7, 1843. His wife was Winifred Simmons, daughter of Abraham Bussett Simmons. Winnifred Simmons was born July 5, 1778, according to Bible records just forwarded to listserve by Martha with same information in the Charles Westbrook Bible records The only death date that I can find off hand for Winnifred is ca. 1848, by virtue of Mrs. Ropp writing that Winifred died five years after her husband --------------AC0E8B78DF0DECC2CB9D661E--

Jack, Thanks for the recap. It helps a lot. Now, I have Charles Young on my database - no wife. Got to be the same Charles Young. From the records of list member Charles. Charles Young had a daughter Martha who married Spencer Caldwell. Their children were - Samuel, Simon, Joshua, Mary, Robert, Spencer, John and Charles Y. Caldwell. Children born in the late 1760/s, 1770s, 1780. Martha and Persis must have been sisters. Somewhere in the back of my mind seems like there was some speculation that a Daniel Young married Dorothy, daughter of Abel Croom. Abel Croom had a sister, Dorothy. Based on the below from Francis >>Just checked. There's a 1782 indenture between Daniel Young (ee) and >>Dorothy Young (or) for 100 acres on east side of Groundnut Creek. I think >>this is land which I currently own. I have Abe Croom Young as a witness. I think there has also been some speculation that Charles Young was married to Dorothy, sister to Abel, Major and Jesse Croom. The father of the Crooms in Goochland/Henrico Co, Va was Daniel Croom. Wonder if Daniel Young was a son of Charles and brother to Martha and Persis? Spencer Caldwell was the son of Robert and Winifred Watts Caldwell from SOmerset Co, Md. Robert died when Spencer was a small child and Winifred remarried Isaac Tull and they moved to Dobbs Co with her son Spencer Caldwell. Martha

This is getting over my head there are so many families and counties involved. Someone getting all these additions and corrections on a database? This has been a great exchange by all of you and points out the importance of working in other states where so many of our families migrated. Jack, looks like your area of Ms is a treasure chest to prove back the earlier generations in NC. I know I did something on a Westbrook/Stanley record several years ago and can't find it anywhere even on my pc. Found another copy of the Bible records the other day and will get it posted. Think it was Jones Co. Martha

After some rambling discussion, I thought that I might give a brief recap, based upon some of the recent contributions, which might help to organize it in everyone's mind: Moses Westbrook, of Dobbs County, married Percis Young, daughter of Charles Young given the list from the Charles Westbrook family Bible of probable children of Moses and Percis, then the couple were probably married ca. 1770, by virtue of the earliest birthdate being in 1772. Probable children from the Charles Westbrook Bible with additions pertaining to marriages: James 30 Dec. 1772 Charles 22 Dec. 1774 m. Winifred Simmons Simon 14 Dec. 1776 William 7 Dec. 1778 John 17 Dec. 1779 Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 m. 8 Sept., 1803 to Abraham Darden Henry 10 May 1782 Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 Mary 25 Dec. 1786 Moses 9 May 1788 Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 The Charles Westbrook Bible records has the following entries which probably refer to the couple Moses and Percis Young Westbrook: Moses Westbrook Sr. Deceased this life 9th Septr. 1816" Percis Westbrook Senr Deceased this Life the 1th [sic] day October 1830" One of the children of Moses and Percis was Charles Westbrook. according to the Charles Westbrook Bible, Charles was born Dec. 22, 1774 and died October 7, 1843. His wife was Winifred Simmons, daughter of Abraham Bussett Simmons. Winnifred Simmons was born July 5, 1778, according to Bible records just forwarded to listserve by Martha with same information in the Charles Westbrook Bible records The only death date that I can find off hand for Winnifred is ca. 1848, by virtue of Mrs. Ropp writing that Winifred died five years after her husband

I am not that well versed on all the Simmons families so Tracy you or someone correct me. From the information I have something is not right with this Moses Westbrook - Percis Simmons line. Am running all of this since sending to the Jones list. I have the following information Abraham Bussett Simmons married 3 times - Rachel Lavender, Lucy Gunter, and Sarah Watson. In his Will, which I don't have, he mentioned his son in law Charles Westbrook. Charles md Winifred Simmons who was born in 1778. The following Bible records Abraham Bussett Simmons and Rachel Bryan were married Feb. 28, 1764. Rachel Bryan daughter of William Lavender and Rachel his wife was born March 20, 1737. Children: Mary Simmons was born Jan. 16, 1765. Dovey Simmons was born March 11, 1766. Laney (Eleanor) Simmons was born April 24, 1767. Lavender Simmons was born Jan. 19, 1769. Betsy Simmons was born July 7, 1770. Regin (Lezin?) Simmons was born April 19, 1772. Bonetta Simmons was born May 16, 1774. Liberty Simmons was born July 4, 1776. Winnifred Simmons was born July 5, 1778. >From notes of Tucker R. Littleton found on page 111 of Onslow Register Records of Onslow & Jones County Citizens and Related Families, Vol. 2, by Roger E. Kammerer - 1988 Martha >Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:40:02 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: jde3@ra.msstate.edu Tue Feb 19 08:40:01 2002 >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:40:10 -0600 >From: "Jack D. Elliott, Jr." <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> >Reply-To: jde3@ra.msstate.edu >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) >Old-To: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@coastalnet.com>, > "NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com" <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com>, > "Greg W. Lasley" <glasley@earthlink.net>, Mary Makima <TenTudo@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] correction: re Westbrooks >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1365 >X-Loop: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Trish, > >Sorry about the delay in answering. However, I received your message at >home over a long weekend where I do not have my sources. Had to wait to >get back to the office to have sources before me, so that I could answer >intelligently. > >It appears, as you will see below, that your Sallie Westbrook Darden, >was indeed a sister of Charles Westbrook (1774-1843) and a daughter of a >Moses Westbrook who married apparently a Percis Simons/Simmons. > >I answer your questions below: > >> Are you saying that Charles had a son named Henry and also a brother named >> Henry? > >Charles apparently did not have a son named Henry. He very likely did >have a brother named Henry if we can infer that the long line of >sequential births, which included Charles and Henry, (referring here to >the Charles Westbrook Bible) were all siblings. > > >> >> > >> > This speculation is based on what is usually referred to as the James W. >> > Prowell bible which identifies a number of Westbrook births .... > >> > >> > James 30 Dec. 1772 >> > Charles 22 Dec. 1774 >> > Simon 14 Dec. 1776 >> > John 17 Dec. 1779 >> > Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 >> > Henry 10 May 1782 >> > Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 >> > Mary 25 Dec. 1786 >> > Moses 9 May 1788 >> > Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 >> > >> >> Do you think all the above are children of Moses Westbrook? > >I PRESUME that they are but don't know. First, as noted above they >appear to be siblings by virtue of the proximity and sequence in time of >their births. Second, Nell Coleman Ropp's history of the Charles >Westbrook family which appeared on pages 785-786 of the Clay County MS >history book identifies Charles's parents as being Moses Westbrook and >an unnamed daughter of Abram Bassett Simons of Jones County, NC. If >these two contentions are correct then the above are all children of >Moses Westbrook. > > >> >> I am sending the following information which I had in my data on Moses and >> Persis Westbrook, from Chronicles of Pitt County, North Carolina. >> >> They are listed as parents of Sally Westbrook who married Abraham Darden. >> Her birthdate is the same as the Sarah you listed from the Prowell (or is it >> Powell?) bible. > >It's "Prowell" with an "r", however, I prefer to call it the "Charles >Westbrook Bible" because the entries have nothing to do with the >Prowells. The Bible apparently passed down to Westbrook descendants by >the name of Prowell. > >Yes, Sarah/Sally's birthdate is the same. Bet it's the same lady. > >> >> I wonder if Persis was a Prowell/Powell?? > >No. As noted Prowell was a later name to come in. However, as you >probably noted, Nell Ropp had the maiden name of Moses's wife "Simons" >(could it also be "Simmons"?) but not her given name. You have her >given name but not her maiden name. Putting two and two together looks >like her name was Percis Simons/Simmons. > >> >> (1) 1 Moses WESTBROOK 1 >> >> Spouse: Persis __________ 1 >> >> Children: >> Sally (1781-1830) >> >> (2) 1.1 Sally WESTBROOK 1,2 >> Birth: 22 Sep 1781 1 >> Death: 1830-1840 1 >> Marr: 8 Sep 1803 1 >> >> Spouse: Abraham DARDEN 1,2 >> >> >> Trish Worthington Cobb >> PO Box 486, Winterville, NC 28590 >> turniproots@coastalnet.com >> > >

Martha, It appears that I made a mistake reading Mrs. Ropp's history of the Charles Westbrook family. Apparently she was in fact saying that Abraham Busset Simmons was the father-in-law of CHARLES Westbrook, not Moses (Charles's father) and the father of Winifred Simmons Westbrook. Mrs. Ropp's text reads: "Charles Westbrook and his wife, Winifred Simmons, of Lenoir County, N.C., came to Lowndes County, Miss. (now Clay County), in 1839. He was the son of Moses Westbrook, a Revolutionary soldier. His wife was a daughter of a Revolutionary soldier, Abraham Bassett (or Bussett) Simons of Jones County, N.C." Reading this hurriedly to respond to an email message (and I should know better than to read anything too hurriedly), I made the mistake of associating the possessive pronoun "his" in the last sentence with the last previously mentioned male--Moses Westbrook--instead of associating it with Charles. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Jack Martha Marble wrote: > > I am not that well versed on all the Simmons families so Tracy you or > someone correct me. From the information I have something is not right with > this Moses Westbrook - Percis Simmons line. Am running all of this since > sending to the Jones list. > > I have the following information > > Abraham Bussett Simmons married 3 times - Rachel Lavender, Lucy Gunter, and > Sarah Watson. In his Will, which I don't have, he mentioned his son in law > Charles Westbrook. Charles md Winifred Simmons who was born in 1778. > > The following Bible records > > Abraham Bussett Simmons and Rachel Bryan were married Feb. 28, 1764. > Rachel Bryan daughter of William Lavender and Rachel his wife was born > March 20, 1737. > Children: > Mary Simmons was born Jan. 16, 1765. > Dovey Simmons was born March 11, 1766. > Laney (Eleanor) Simmons was born April 24, 1767. > Lavender Simmons was born Jan. 19, 1769. > Betsy Simmons was born July 7, 1770. > Regin (Lezin?) Simmons was born April 19, 1772. > Bonetta Simmons was born May 16, 1774. > Liberty Simmons was born July 4, 1776. > Winnifred Simmons was born July 5, 1778. > > >From notes of Tucker R. Littleton found on page 111 of Onslow Register > Records of Onslow & Jones County Citizens and Related Families, Vol. 2, > by Roger E. Kammerer - 1988 > > Martha > > >Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:40:02 -0700 > >X-Original-Sender: jde3@ra.msstate.edu Tue Feb 19 08:40:01 2002 > >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:40:10 -0600 > >From: "Jack D. Elliott, Jr." <jde3@ra.msstate.edu> > >Reply-To: jde3@ra.msstate.edu > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) > >Old-To: Trish Worthington Cobb <turniproots@coastalnet.com>, > > "NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com" <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com>, > > "Greg W. Lasley" <glasley@earthlink.net>, Mary Makima <TenTudo@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR] correction: re Westbrooks > >To: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1365 > >X-Loop: NCLENOIR-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: NCLENOIR-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Trish, > > > >Sorry about the delay in answering. However, I received your message at > >home over a long weekend where I do not have my sources. Had to wait to > >get back to the office to have sources before me, so that I could answer > >intelligently. > > > >It appears, as you will see below, that your Sallie Westbrook Darden, > >was indeed a sister of Charles Westbrook (1774-1843) and a daughter of a > >Moses Westbrook who married apparently a Percis Simons/Simmons. > > > >I answer your questions below: > > > >> Are you saying that Charles had a son named Henry and also a brother named > >> Henry? > > > >Charles apparently did not have a son named Henry. He very likely did > >have a brother named Henry if we can infer that the long line of > >sequential births, which included Charles and Henry, (referring here to > >the Charles Westbrook Bible) were all siblings. > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > This speculation is based on what is usually referred to as the James W. > >> > Prowell bible which identifies a number of Westbrook births .... > > > >> > > >> > James 30 Dec. 1772 > >> > Charles 22 Dec. 1774 > >> > Simon 14 Dec. 1776 > >> > John 17 Dec. 1779 > >> > Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 > >> > Henry 10 May 1782 > >> > Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 > >> > Mary 25 Dec. 1786 > >> > Moses 9 May 1788 > >> > Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 > >> > > >> > >> Do you think all the above are children of Moses Westbrook? > > > >I PRESUME that they are but don't know. First, as noted above they > >appear to be siblings by virtue of the proximity and sequence in time of > >their births. Second, Nell Coleman Ropp's history of the Charles > >Westbrook family which appeared on pages 785-786 of the Clay County MS > >history book identifies Charles's parents as being Moses Westbrook and > >an unnamed daughter of Abram Bassett Simons of Jones County, NC. If > >these two contentions are correct then the above are all children of > >Moses Westbrook. > > > > > >> > >> I am sending the following information which I had in my data on Moses and > >> Persis Westbrook, from Chronicles of Pitt County, North Carolina. > >> > >> They are listed as parents of Sally Westbrook who married Abraham Darden. > >> Her birthdate is the same as the Sarah you listed from the Prowell (or > is it > >> Powell?) bible. > > > >It's "Prowell" with an "r", however, I prefer to call it the "Charles > >Westbrook Bible" because the entries have nothing to do with the > >Prowells. The Bible apparently passed down to Westbrook descendants by > >the name of Prowell. > > > >Yes, Sarah/Sally's birthdate is the same. Bet it's the same lady. > > > >> > >> I wonder if Persis was a Prowell/Powell?? > > > >No. As noted Prowell was a later name to come in. However, as you > >probably noted, Nell Ropp had the maiden name of Moses's wife "Simons" > >(could it also be "Simmons"?) but not her given name. You have her > >given name but not her maiden name. Putting two and two together looks > >like her name was Percis Simons/Simmons. > > > >> > >> (1) 1 Moses WESTBROOK 1 > >> > >> Spouse: Persis __________ 1 > >> > >> Children: > >> Sally (1781-1830) > >> > >> (2) 1.1 Sally WESTBROOK 1,2 > >> Birth: 22 Sep 1781 1 > >> Death: 1830-1840 1 > >> Marr: 8 Sep 1803 1 > >> > >> Spouse: Abraham DARDEN 1,2 > >> > >> > >> Trish Worthington Cobb > >> PO Box 486, Winterville, NC 28590 > >> turniproots@coastalnet.com > >> > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

See my comments interspersed below. Jack Rose Parks wrote: > > A Rob Westbrook gave me some data a few years back and he had another name added to the list as Jack d. Elliott, Jr. gave: William born 7 December 1778. Yes, I saw the name William but did not include it in the list of births because of an ambiguity. The typescript of this Westbrook (Charles Westbrook) Bible record, which was the only copy that I had access to at the time indicated that William had DIED on that day rather than had been born then. The exact entry from the typescript reads: "Wm. Westbrook-Deceased the 7th Decbr. 1778" So it certainly looks like he had died then. However, I was suspicious that date of death would appear right in sequence in a line of what was otherwise births. I suspected that their might have been a typographical error. A couple weeks ago I found a photostatic copy of the original Bible record and I appeared to be wrong. It did have the word deceased, albeit misspelled as something like "Dceast." So I figure that the listing of a death among births was simply one of those little inconsistencies that one runs into. However, upon just reexamining the photostatic copy something occurred to me which might explain the situation, suggesting that this entry is indeed for a BIRTH date. What occurred to me is that "Dceast" instead of being a verb indicating that William had died on Dec. 7, 1778, instead was used to modify "William", indicating that he was deceased when his birth entry was made. After all these 18th century birth dates were all entered decades later, as indicated by the fact that the Bible was published in 1816. Consequently, I now think, given a more nuanced reading of the text, that this William Westbrook was indeed born on Dec. 7, 1778. > > Also Martha gave me a deed which gives Persis surname as Young, copied below. If these were indeed the same Moses and Persis who were the parents of Charles Westbrook et al. then this would contradict my suggestion that Moses was perhaps married to a Persis Simons/Simmons, a suggestion that was based in part upon Nell Coleman Ropp's article on the Charles Westbrook family which stated that Charles's father was Moses and his mother was an unnamed daughter of "a Revolutionary soldier, Abraham Bassett (or Bussett) Simons of Jones County, N.C." Mrs. Ropp includes a long list of sources with her article, but specific items within her text are not documented. Consequently, I have no way of knowing how solid her assertion is and how it stands up in regard to the possibility that Moses was married to a Persis YOUNG. Of course, another possibility is that these were two different Moseses, which is not out of the realm of reason given the liberal usage of the name within the Westbrook family. I am looking for information on Gray Westbrook, brother to Burwell and son of John and Honour Ramsey(John's 2nd wife) > > Gray married Charlotte Wiggins about 1780??Had 5 children by the 1810 census. > > This indenture made the 22 day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety one between Moses Westbrook of Dobbs County and State of North Carolina, Marchant, and Persis his wife formerly Persis Young, daughter of Charles Young, dec. of the one part and Benjamin Sutton of the same county... of the other part whereas Charles Young in his lifetime did make a sale of a certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred acres more of less on the North side of the Neuse River and lower side of Bear Creek being the land the said Charles Young bought of Harry Roberts and being part of the tract of land he sold to James Mizzill the original grant was made to Thomas Burnett for 350 acres, to William Waddle and by the said Waddle conveyed to the aforesaid John Sutton dec father of the aforesaid Benjamin Sutton and the said Charles Young having given his bond to make a deed of Conveyance for the aforesaid land before the said...and whereas the said Jo! hn! > Sutton having left the land in his last will and testament unto his son Benjamin and in order to comply with the said Charles Young contracted and take up his bond and as one of the heirs... the said Moses Westbrook and Persis his wife as well in consideration of the promise of thirty shilling current money...payed by the said Benjamin Sutton the aforesaid parcel... > Both appeared to have signed their names > > Wit: Joshua Croom Major Croom > Brought to Court April term 1792 on oath of Joshua Croom > Enrolled 5th day of May 1792 by D. Caswell > > Rose Parks

This is the missing clipping Roger just found and it will be sent to Guy for posting under Newspapers as soon as he returns home. Although it does not say where the train stopped, the RR tracks run right by the Caswell Cemetery where everyone other than some state officials say he was buried. Sent by Roger Kammerer who states this was a troop train going from New Bern back to the western part of the state. The tracks go right by the Caswell Cemetery in Kinston said to be the final resting place of Gov. Caswell. From The Weekly Union, New Bern, 27 May 1858 INTERESTING INCIDENT Quite an interesting incident occurred during the passing up of the Military from the Newbern Festival. When the Orange Guards and Rowan Rifle Guards in charge of Maj. Turner, came in sight of the final resting place of the renowned Gov. Caswell, at the request of the two companies, Major Turner stopped the train for a few moments, when the companies alighted with muffled drums, and after a few funeral beats of requiem, three volleys were fired over the Hero Statesman. A beautiful compliment to the departed worth, and speaks highly for the good taste and warm and appreciative patriotism of our citizen soldiers. Long life to the Orange Guards and Rowan Rifles! May their shadows never grow less. Such feelings of appreciation are obliged to work out good soldiers. Hillsboro Recorder

Trish, Sorry about the delay in answering. However, I received your message at home over a long weekend where I do not have my sources. Had to wait to get back to the office to have sources before me, so that I could answer intelligently. It appears, as you will see below, that your Sallie Westbrook Darden, was indeed a sister of Charles Westbrook (1774-1843) and a daughter of a Moses Westbrook who married apparently a Percis Simons/Simmons. I answer your questions below: > Are you saying that Charles had a son named Henry and also a brother named > Henry? Charles apparently did not have a son named Henry. He very likely did have a brother named Henry if we can infer that the long line of sequential births, which included Charles and Henry, (referring here to the Charles Westbrook Bible) were all siblings. > > > > > This speculation is based on what is usually referred to as the James W. > > Prowell bible which identifies a number of Westbrook births .... > > > > James 30 Dec. 1772 > > Charles 22 Dec. 1774 > > Simon 14 Dec. 1776 > > John 17 Dec. 1779 > > Sarah 22 Sept. 1781 > > Henry 10 May 1782 > > Elizabeth 7 Feb. 1783 > > Mary 25 Dec. 1786 > > Moses 9 May 1788 > > Fanster 10 Feb. 1790 > > > > Do you think all the above are children of Moses Westbrook? I PRESUME that they are but don't know. First, as noted above they appear to be siblings by virtue of the proximity and sequence in time of their births. Second, Nell Coleman Ropp's history of the Charles Westbrook family which appeared on pages 785-786 of the Clay County MS history book identifies Charles's parents as being Moses Westbrook and an unnamed daughter of Abram Bassett Simons of Jones County, NC. If these two contentions are correct then the above are all children of Moses Westbrook. > > I am sending the following information which I had in my data on Moses and > Persis Westbrook, from Chronicles of Pitt County, North Carolina. > > They are listed as parents of Sally Westbrook who married Abraham Darden. > Her birthdate is the same as the Sarah you listed from the Prowell (or is it > Powell?) bible. It's "Prowell" with an "r", however, I prefer to call it the "Charles Westbrook Bible" because the entries have nothing to do with the Prowells. The Bible apparently passed down to Westbrook descendants by the name of Prowell. Yes, Sarah/Sally's birthdate is the same. Bet it's the same lady. > > I wonder if Persis was a Prowell/Powell?? No. As noted Prowell was a later name to come in. However, as you probably noted, Nell Ropp had the maiden name of Moses's wife "Simons" (could it also be "Simmons"?) but not her given name. You have her given name but not her maiden name. Putting two and two together looks like her name was Percis Simons/Simmons. > > (1) 1 Moses WESTBROOK 1 > > Spouse: Persis __________ 1 > > Children: > Sally (1781-1830) > > (2) 1.1 Sally WESTBROOK 1,2 > Birth: 22 Sep 1781 1 > Death: 1830-1840 1 > Marr: 8 Sep 1803 1 > > Spouse: Abraham DARDEN 1,2 > > > Trish Worthington Cobb > PO Box 486, Winterville, NC 28590 > turniproots@coastalnet.com >

Hello Nancy, I am very sorry for "OUR" Loss of Bill, and I sincerely wish to express my deepest sympathies for you and your family. I will be obliged to honor your wishes. I do not know the circumstances, but I do express my thoughts and prayers are for you and your family, Bill was a very hospitable Gentleman and gracious fellow researcher. I will always remember him as FAMILY! Sincerely, Dan Fairfax 2629 Somerset Drive Nashville, Tennessee 37217 dfairfax@nespower.com ============================ -----Original Message----- From: Bill W. [mailto:bocawjw@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:53 PM To: DFairfax@nespower.com Subject: Re: Williamson death Please be advised that Bill Williamson passed away on Jan .16,2002, and genealogy issues are no longer being investigated. Thank you for you past cooperation, and please be kind enough to remove his name from your correspondence list. Nancy Williamson ==================================

Sometime back there was some discussion on the confusion of whether South West Creek was ever in Craven Co once Johnston Co was formed. Still not sure of that but Gloria and I had a light bulb to go off the other day. We found a patent in Craven Co in 1759 to John Taylor on SW Creek and Hays Branch and adj to Henry Roberts. Through a series of deeds in Craven Co we can track that exact same patent. On one of the deeds the WIT was Armwell Herring. In 1761 it was sold again, still in Craven Co, and the WIT were Samuel and John Loftin. In 1763 a John Taylor Jr. received a patent in Craven Co on Clark's Branch on SW Creek. Nothing identifies where Hays Branch or Clarks Creek were. In 1769 Richard Caswell received a patent - near head of Miller's pocoson, Henry Roberts now Nathan Ward, both sides of Mill Branch, Armwell Hearon near Crooked Johnny's Branch, his land called Woodington and lands Caswell bought of JOHN TAYLOR - Caswell's land was adj to the original 1759 John Taylor patent and the land was actually in Dobbs Co, never Craven Co. According to Bill Murphy NOTE: According to Bill - Crooked Johnny Creek was in the Woodington area - across state road 1140 and into SW Creek - which means it flows north into SW Creek MURPHY Once Johnston County was formed, the Woodington area was never in Craven Co. A good deal of the land of the Taylor family was in the Woodington area and adj to Richard Caswell - both families were from Joppa, Md. It appears that Hays Branch and/or Clark's Branch became known as Mill Branch or Crooked Johnny's Branch. Who knows what they are called today. Obviously some of the patents that belonged in Johnston/Dobbs were written as if they were in Craven Co and there are later deeds in Craven Co for Johnston and Dobbs. I have learned a lesson from this - double check Craven Co even after Dobbs was formed. Some of these people continued to register their deeds in Craven Co for whatever reason. We are grateful they did but it has been a frustrating exercise. Martha