Gail, Some time back you sent the following information to the NCJOHNST-List: 1 Needham Ingram b: May 27, 1780 in Johnston co NC d: October 1835 in Ingram Cemetery, McNairy Co. Tenn. # chldn: 8 .. +Nancy King b: May 27, 1777 in Sampson Co NC d: July 1855 in Ingram Cemetery, McNairy Co. Tenn. # chldn: 8 2 Ailcey Ingram 2 Bryant Ingram 2 Mary Ann Ingram 2 William Ingram d: 1854 2 Sarah Ingram b: 1802 d: 1863 2 Needham Ingram b: 1806 2 Mariah Ingram b: 1810 d: 1843 2 Harriet Jane Ingram b: 1826 d: 1861 Have no idea where William died , if in NC or not. Gail As I have stated in previous messages, I owe a great debt to Virginia Howell of TN for sharing with me her extensive research on some of the descendants of William Ingram (Will 1771) who went to TN. I hope that text of a 1997 Email from Virginia will be helpful to you and will help settle the puzzle about the various William Ingrams that you and Freda have been discussing. "Hello Franklin, I am descended from William Ingram, Joseph Ingram, Needham Ingram who md Sarah King and moved to McNairy and Hardeman Co, TN in about 1830. I have all my miscellaneous notes entered through the Microsoft Word program. I entered it chronologically. I believe that William and Richard Ingram of early Johnston Co, NC were the sons of Roger Ingram of Isle of Wight Co, VA. I did not follow the Lees or Averas. William Ingram first married a daughter of John Lee and had at least one child, Shadrack Ingram. He then married an Elizabeth and had my Joseph Ingram and I just forgot his sisters names. Virginia Howell" Apparently you and Freda have kin that come from the same William Ingram (1771) but your kin are through Joseph to Needham and Freda's kin are through Joseph to William Ingram (1790-1860). (William to Joseph to William.) William went to AL and Needham went to TN. Of course your Needham had a son named William Ingram, but he was a grandson of William Ingram (1771). See notes below. (William to Joseph to Needham to William) I do not believe that Virginia was right in claiming Roger Ingram of Isle of Wight Co VA as the father of William Ingram (1771). On the other hand I could not prove that Virginia was wrong. She was not convinced that she was right either but she leaned towards believing it and I leaned towards not believing it. The other issue that we shared research data about was the relationship between William Ingram (1771 Will) and Richard Ingram (1780 Will). Virginia thought that they were brothers but had no proof. I think they were related and certainly were neighbors in Johnston Co NC but I have no reason to think that they were brothers. Among Virginia's research notes is the following that you might find of interest if you do not already have information: "16 Mar 1829 - Johnston Co/NC - Vol 0-2, p.207 -208 - deeds. Know all men by those presents that I, Needham Ingram Sr for myself and in right of my wife Nancy Ingram at present of the county of Johnston, in the state of North Carolina do hereby nominate constitute and appoint Adin Powell of the same places our true & lawful attorney for us & in our names to ask demand sue for recover and ... off & from William Ashford of the county of Sampson & state of North Carolina, administrator of the estate of Sally King late of Wayne County , decd all money that is or may become due us as legatees of the estate of the said Sally King deceased, or any kind of estate real or personal that we are entitled to as legatees ... which I the said Needham Ingram Sr have or may have in rights of my wife Nancy as ... or any money or effects of Sally King decd in the hands of William Ashford as .... and I the said Needham Ingram Sr for myself do as aforesaid do hereby constitute the said Adin Powell my attorney irrevocable to take & procure all lawful ways & means whatsoever for the recovery of the share or portion of the estate of the said Sally King, deceased to which I may be entitled to as ... in right of my wife ... & from the said administrator hereby authorizing the said attorney to ... any right or discharge in & about the said premises and to make any arguments bargain or compromise in relation thereunto & to use my name & the name of my wife for the above purposes. .... can't read.... Signed the 16 day of March 1829. Nm Ingram seal Wit: ? ? Stevens & Jesse Whitley " The following are also from Virginia's research notes: 25 Nov 1830 - Hardeman Co/TN - Bk C p133 - Signed in Sampson Co/NC 13 Feb 1830 - Susannah Blackman, widow of said county and Needham Ingram of TN. witnesses that it is the desire of Susannah Blackman convey certain Negroes for the separate use of his daughter, Olive McKinnie, wife of John McKinnie of Tennessee. In consideration of the sum of $1.00 paid by Needham Ingram, his executors and administrators - 11 slaves. If Olive McKinne died without issue then Needham Ingram is to convey the slaves to the nearest of kin. recorded in Hardeman Co 25 Nov 1830, signed by Susannah Blackman and Needham Ingram Jr 20 Dec 1830 Hardeman Co/TN Needham Ingram Jr married Jane Simpson. 22 Jan 1831 Hardeman Co/TN Marie Ingram married William Simpson 12 Apr 1833 - Hardeman Co/TN deed Bk C p417 - Needham Ingram Sr of McNairy Co sold to William Simpson of Hardeman two Negroes, Chaney aged 18 and her child Betsy about 9 months old for $475. Wit: M Mckinnie & Needham Ingram Jr 26 Dec 1833 - Hardeman Co/TN - Deed Bk C p538 - Hardeman Co/TN - William Simpson conveys to Needham Ingram of Hardeman Co two Negores, Hayer 18 and Ben 12 months. Wit: J T Simpson & William Powell 4 Sep 1872 - Hardeman Co/TN - Minute Bk 4, p.486 - N.J. Powell petitioned to sell land for division. Said Nancy Ingram died intestate in Hardeman Co in 1855 and estate was administered by Wm..Simpson. Nancy had possessed a tract of land consisting of 160 acres. Following is an abstract of Record Docket #891 -NANCY INGRAM, widow of Needham Ingram, Nancy died 1854. Petitioners; Needham Powell; James Brint; J. R. Crawford & wife, Amanda M; R.H.Powell; Issac L Powell; Needham Simpson; John J Simpson; James S Simpson; Joab Stricklin & wife, Josephine; J S Ferguson & wife, N E Ferguson Heirs, children and grandchildren of Nancy Ingram Children of her daughter, Sarah Powell, dec'd: Needham Powell, R H Powell & Issac (L or T) Powell of Miss. sons of Sarah Powell Namcy Sanders, wife of J M Sanders of Ark, a dau of Sarah Powell; Amanda M Crawford, dau of Sarah Powell; Wm L Powell of Ark a son of John Powell who was a son of Sarah Powell; Louiza J Brint, wife of J H Brint of Hardeman Co, also a dau of Sarah Powell; Sarah F, Alice A, William, Mollie Powell, minor children of W R B Powell, son of Sarah Powell, residents of Hardeman Co, James Brint being their regular guardian Children of Her dau, Ailcey Holmes, dec'd: Virginia Ammons, Mattie Ammons of ArK, Jimmie Ammons of Miss. Sarah Ammons & Angeline Armfield, wife of Jesse Armfield of Hardeman Co. Children of her dau, Alice [Ailsey] Flowers, dec'd, wife of Harry Flowers dec'd. - Needham Flowers now dead leaving children whose names cannot be ascertained; Elizabeth Albright now dead leaving children whose names cannot be ascertained; Sarah McKinnie, wife of Michael Mckinnie of Miss.; William Flowers of Miss.; Zachariah Flowers of Miss; Jane Richmond of Miss. Children of her dau., Mariah Simpson, dec'd - Needham SImpson, John Simpson, James S Simpson, Josephine Stricklin, Bryant Simpson of state of Texas - Nancy Ward, wife of W.D. Ward of Ark - Susan Knight, wife of William Knight of Ark - W. B. Simpson of state of Texas. Children of her son Bryant Ingram. - Needham Ingram, Mattie Clement, wife of ? Clement of Shelby Co,TN - Anne Ingram, wife of Henry Ingram of Ark. Children of her son, Needham Ingram, dec'd. - John I Ingram & Joseph Ingram of Miss. - Children of her dau, Mary Ann Dabney, dec'd - Needham Dabney of Miss. Children of her dau, Harriet J McKinnie, dec'd - Michael N McKinnie, a lunatic whose general guardian is petitioner J S Ferguson. Solomon P McKinnie a minor whose guardian is J S Ferguson and N E Ferguson Children of William Ingram, dec'd - left children whose names, numbers & residence is unknown. Let me know what you think. Franklin Ingram Raleigh, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Hopkins" <gh529@one.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] NEEDHAM INGRAM > Freda, funny how we keep running into each other.... I was wondering if you have William Ingram and Needham 's parents . Sure wish I knew whose parents of William Ingram b. 1717 are: They MUST tie in with the rest somehow... that is my line to David Thornton he married Nancy Ingram.. 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