Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1874 Surname: Barnes, Wellons ------------------------- I am researching my ggg-grandmother, Valiary Wellons Oliver. Her sister was Veturah Wellons Barnes. Thier parents were Westley Freeman Wellons and Elizabeth Pierce. I found in the Heritge of Johnston Co. book, information on Veturah and her husband, John H. Barnes. They are buried in Barnes-Bailey cemetery. It is located in Wilson Co., NC just across from Johnston Co. Anyone with information on John Barnes and Veturah Wellons, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance.

Khroberds@aol.com wrote: > Ray Keith Hodge's book A Genealogical Study of the Larkin George Boyette > Family and Descendants published in 1994 by Mr. Hodge, 206 West Wilson > Street, Smithfield, NC 27577-5133 gives her father as Patrick O'Neal and her > mother as Mary Rogers. She was born 1777 in Edgecombe Co. NC and died 1858 > Johnston Co., NC > I know a copy of this book is in the WIlson County Library Genealogical > section. I am related to this family by George & Tamsey son James Boyett who > moved to Wilson County in 1836. The family home is located in Johnston > County and both George and Tamsey are buried near their home. > > Kay Roberds Kay, I'm a bit curious about this book. I, myself, am a Boyette whose descendants came from Wilson county, NC. You mention a book written by Ray Keith Hodge. Do you know who he is, or what his relationship is to BOYETTE's? You quote him as saying that "[James]...moved to Wilson County in 1836." I'm curious as to the amount of research he did. Does it mention anything about that? Wilson County wasn't even formed until 1855. However, I am somewhat interested in that book, especially since George might be a close relative. Since Mr. Hodge is also the publisher, I'll ask him myself! Happy Hunting!! Von -- \\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\//\\//\\//\\ CURRENT SEARCH OF SURNAMES INCLUDES: Boyette, Boykin, Kirby, Watson, Wiggs (Wiggins) OTHER SURNAMES: Andresen, Atkinson, Balance, Costello, Finnin, Hein, Hendriks, Hunt, Lewis, Murray, Pechar, Sanchez, van Rietschoten, Wilson //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\//\\//

Hello do you have any info on a Bridges O'Neal who was supposted to have married susan Hinton in Johnston co. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:54:27 -0500 "Jean Shanelec" <shanelec@informatics.net> writes: > I have the 1845 Rev War Pension Application of Tamsey Boyett and her > sister > Elizabeth Bailey. They were trying to get what had been due their > mother as > the widow of Patrick. I would give anything to find out the names of > their > siblings. I think they were mostly girls. Perhaps marriage records > would > help. Or deeds. Someone told me that in a deed Patrick calls > Benjamin his > son. > > Patrick is a witness to the will of my Moses O'Neal. > > Benjamin O'Neal, Patrick O'Neal, Asa Crumpler & wife Nancy O'Neal, > John > Crumpler and wife Olive O'Neal--- all appear to have moved to Sumner > County > TN circa 1820. Then there is an elderly couple living with John & > Olive > Crumpler/Crumpley in the 1830 census. > > Send me your address and I will mail you a copy of the pension > application > wherein Tamsey gives testimony. > > Jean > shanelec@informatics.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Khroberds@aol.com> > To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] O'Neal. Boyett, & Bailey > > > > Mr. Hodges's book does not give the parents of either Patrick > O'Neal or > Mary > > Rogers. Thanks for what information you sent. Whose Rev War > pesnions > > application do you have? In Mr. Hodges book he states that James > Boyett > is > > the father of George Boyett, this James is not the father. Some > day the > > corrrect father will be found but this is not him. > > > > Kay Roberds > > Gulfport, MS > > > > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/search > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > === > Search more than 150 million free record at RootsWeb > http://search.rootsweb.com/ > >

Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1871 Surname: Brown, Hatcher ------------------------- Hi Ed, I have Browns and Hatchers in JohnstonCo (intermarried several times), but no Brannans. But I would be interested to know if you have dates on Lula Brannan and Robert Hatcher. I would like to see if I can identify him on our file. Thanks, Nel

I have the 1845 Rev War Pension Application of Tamsey Boyett and her sister Elizabeth Bailey. They were trying to get what had been due their mother as the widow of Patrick. I would give anything to find out the names of their siblings. I think they were mostly girls. Perhaps marriage records would help. Or deeds. Someone told me that in a deed Patrick calls Benjamin his son. Patrick is a witness to the will of my Moses O'Neal. Benjamin O'Neal, Patrick O'Neal, Asa Crumpler & wife Nancy O'Neal, John Crumpler and wife Olive O'Neal--- all appear to have moved to Sumner County TN circa 1820. Then there is an elderly couple living with John & Olive Crumpler/Crumpley in the 1830 census. Send me your address and I will mail you a copy of the pension application wherein Tamsey gives testimony. Jean shanelec@informatics.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Khroberds@aol.com> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] O'Neal. Boyett, & Bailey > Mr. Hodges's book does not give the parents of either Patrick O'Neal or Mary > Rogers. Thanks for what information you sent. Whose Rev War pesnions > application do you have? In Mr. Hodges book he states that James Boyett is > the father of George Boyett, this James is not the father. Some day the > corrrect father will be found but this is not him. > > Kay Roberds > Gulfport, MS > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/search > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Jean, While visiting NC this weekend I found a small Boyette family cemetery in Johnston Co,. a few miles south of Wilson, that had a headstone for: George Boyette; b.1770, d.1852 and Tamsey, b.1777, d. 1858 Do these dates match the George and Tamsey you're looking for? I recorded the names of several families that live in the area and plan to contact them to see if they have any additional information. I'll let you know if I come up with anything. I also copied two other NC groups that work with that might be able to provide additional information. Best regards, Jim Boyette ###################################### At 11:52 AM 10/17/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Seeking any information concerning Tamsey O'Neal Boyett, wife of George >Boyett, and her sister, Elizabeth O'Neal Bailey. > >Thank you, > >Jean > > >==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== >Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Don't have the slightest idea what you and Warren are talking about, but I'm coming! Jean Fladger Shanelec O'Neal, Crumpler, Rogers, Pearce, Horne, Massengill (so far.)

Mr. Hodges's book does not give the parents of either Patrick O'Neal or Mary Rogers. Thanks for what information you sent. Whose Rev War pesnions application do you have? In Mr. Hodges book he states that James Boyett is the father of George Boyett, this James is not the father. Some day the corrrect father will be found but this is not him. Kay Roberds Gulfport, MS

With the usual apologies to the list manager and list members not interested.... Warren, Thanks for getting back to me. I thought you were mad at me! Yes, the week of July 4th, 2001. It seems as good a time as any to kick this thing off... we could schedule it for July 4th week, 2005, and all that would happen between now and then is that we'd just get older... if we're lucky! I've had to drop out for a couple of weeks. My aunt died unexpectedly, leaving us to go "home", track down my wandering mother's spare door-key (apparently everyone in town knows where she keeps it!), and open her home to "receive" while simultaneously trying to track her down -- she was off elderhosteling, studying some combination of the Tango and Mississippi Mud... and what a dance do they do, eh? So, it would be good to re-group. I hope you can access through some search function all the "Amens" we have gotten so far. I had been trying to keep a list, and these are the people on it: Shelby Crocker Smith, John Hobby of AR (who can't come but needs for us to find him a Hobby while we're there!), Pearl Weaver, Edward A. Black Sr., Betty Stancil, Vicki Canipe, my mother and me. You make nine! All we need for a successful event is an even dozen. I'm very sure there are others I meant to make note of, but life has been too hectic to get them on my list. If ALL Y'ALL WOULD KINDLY CHECK IN AGAIN, I'd appreciate it. Indicate your family name(s)and whether you are volunteering to represent your family/families on some kind of unofficial, as yet unorganized "steering committee". If we work this right, you do not HAVE to be present to win, but it would be nice! About the meeting place: I'm thinking the Skinner House, the Heritage Center or some similar facility could be a "headquarters" for the gathering. All we need is working restrooms for road-weary travelers, a couple of telephone lines there and a bulletin board; I don't expect they have an actual "staff" to spare, so members of the "steering committee" can man this headquarters. In this place, wherever it is, I see us registering people all week long, updating and providing printed information -- scheduled events can and may change each day as people strike out and find "interesting things" others may want to see the next day -- and giving them OFFICIAL JOHNSTON COUNTY HERITAGE DAY/WEEK NAMETAGS! That way we can track who is there and get home addresses, phone numbers, etc., as well an some idea of where to contact them in an emergency. Probably the only thing we must have is reasonable parking space. We'll put up a few directional posters on utility poles -- if we require a permit for that, we'll pay for it out of the communal fund. The poster-printing, too. The committee will need to have access to a computer, a printer and a copier; each evening we will make a revised list of "what's happening now", and people can come pick it up the next day. I expect as word gets around, a number of people will contact us suggesting people to drop by the "old Smith family farm" or meet interested people with family and county stories to tell at the library. (How many branches of the county library have meeting rooms? Can we tentatively reserve them all? That shouldn't be a hugely busy week! Do they have overhead projectors, slide projectors, etc.?) At some point, we will set the date, time and place for the community lemonade party with whatever food is available locally -- and there may be more than one such gathering. Maybe one for each section of the county on different days. That way the people who come for "Bentonville Heritage Day" but cannot stick around for "Selma Heritage Day" can still meet some others. We should assume we will be met with open arms and yet not be disappointed if we all pass each other like ships in the night. (I'll be the ship wearing the cotton-chopping hat with the blue silk flower! My mother, if she can make it, will be wearing a T-shirt that reads: Elderhostel ROCKS!!! I'll be pretending not to know her. Especially if she brings her "train set".) This is, of course, open to (much) discussion -- I am thinking that simple is better and that the greatest need for any traveler, as I've said before, is an emergency phone number to give the folks back home! There may well be one or more motels with facilities that we could use instead, but I personally would prefer to use this opportunity to become familiar with some of the local places. Anybody can meet in the bar at a Holiday Inn! HINT: We have a lot of bustours through Historic Georgetown. The women of our parish fill their Lent boxes by hostessing authentic Southern mimosa parties for 10 to 40 people for 30 minutes in their old historic morning rooms at $2 a head. (The church also accepts donations of champagne, orange juice and sugar mints!) We figure that works out to about 75 cents per magnolia-dripping "Hey, how y'all?". It eases the pain of having to put on make-up and undergarments. PLUS, if you do "bus duty", you don't have to put your house on the Historic Tour of Homes but every 10 years! FUTURE GOAL: a Heritage Visiting Program modelled after the AARP's house-swapping vacation program: distant relative wants to attend; JCNC relative offers lodging at his home (initially at a fair price with no exotic meals!); distant relative returns to wherever home is and invites JCNC relative to spend a few days with his family. They become friends and exchange seasonal greetings and also get to travel and see the country. All learn to cook decent (yellow) grits and properly fry up delicious Johnson County ham! I asked you if you would receive and disburse "voluntary dues" to cover communal expenses. Here I wish to repeat the proviso that you will not be asked to account for this money and you have the express permission of all who send money to you to take it and run off to some tropical island. Send a copy of this to your CPA and watch her do double backflips! The last thing I want to spend my precious time in JCNC doing is listening to a damn boring treasurer's report! I will spend more this winter buying band booster club candy from schools I can't even locate and "church dinners" from people I don't know whose food I would never eat than this Heritage Day thing could ever cost! (And so will all y'all!) Once you say "OK" and give us a snail-mail address, I suggest we who are interested each send you $10. That should cover some basic expenses, and if it doesn't, say so and we'll send another $10. Maybe you should regularly e-acknowledge receiving checks so we'll know nobody has e-robbed us. Another proviso: everybody should be compensated for his expenses, period!, and his time if possible. This isn't a charitable organization, and we're not out begging money to find a cure for Ancestor-Worship! All things not paid for this way will be paid for by participants. I also want an opinion from you, the "steering committee", and the Heritage Center staff as to the best way to subdivide the county. It seems to me that the families are so intertwined that it would be impossible to attempt any organization by family name alone. I've been wrong before, so this wouldn't be the first -- or last -- time. {Most recently, I wrongly assumed that we would never, ever get 10 inches of rain in 3 hours on a flowing tide!) There may be a way to organize by location, dividing the county into its natural geographic areas AND THEN identify these areas by current and historic names. EXAMPLE: To me, Four Oaks is a recognizable community with places I want to drag my kids at gunpoint to see and photograph. That area would include, if only anybody would locate them for me, Blackman's X-road where my grandfather was born; Hannah Creek and the Juniper Swamp, place names which occur in family deeds and wills; and such cemeteries as those apparently located (by Roberta Walker Butler) all over the area near Bud Massengill's house. Bud Massengill is dead, so I propose that it would be a function of the "steering committee" to find out who now lives there and tell him/her/them about our plans in hopes that total strangers unexpectedly found tromping through in search of these old cemeteries will not be shot and might even be allowed to use the "facilities" and eat a picnic lunch under a tree. Each area of the county can be defined in some similar terms as being of interest to each family easier than each family can be assigned to an appropriate area of the County, where the "historic sites" are. It also seems that each interested rootswebber should be able to be get basic information from the knowledgeable people in JCNC. The Heritage Center staff already knows these people; they probably call them "board members". Can the staff identify the "home boys" and make the interested rootsweb members' e-mail addresses available? Can they assist in initiating contact? EXAMPLE: HC staff knows that Mrs. Johnston County Smith is interested in Heritage Day/Week activities of particular interest to the Dallas Texas Smiths, who plan to attend. She knows where all the bodies are buried and can give directions, but Mrs. Smith does not "do" e-mail. The staff can offer to receive mail addressed to her from interested rootswebbers, and she can answer those that interest her. This is ONLY about plans to attend the Heritage Day/Week, and Mrs. J.C. Smith's sole commitment, unless she wishes to do more, is to help the staff write an e-mail message which gives her suggestions on places to go, people to see, etc. This is probably all the safeguarding we need to do for consenting adults, but it does buffer Mrs. J.C. Smith from feeling obliged to have every single Smith relation who ever passes through Smithfield over for dinner! [And if I were Mrs. Smith, I would attend the festivities wearing a nametag which says "Hi! I'm MRS. JONES FROM WEST ORANGE POPCICLE, MONTANA!] Well, it's Wednesday, and I have a script to write and a drama class to teach. Life is good. annie

Dear Annie, Gotcha! I will do the generations later--just love to figure out the fourth cousin seven times removed stuff--but for now: I come down from Henry of Watauga. His daughter Elizabeth married Isaac Thomas of Sevier County TN, a semi-famous Rev. War sorta hero. Their son John Thomas emigrated to Texas, just in time to become the first chief justice of Dallas County. Their eldest daughter Cynthia Thomas married William Jenkins, not the FIRST sheriff of Dallas County (as his descendants loved to claim) but the first ELECTED sheriff to serve a full term (which says a little bit about the longevity of sheriffs in Texas, then and maybe now.) Their daughter Sarah Alice Jenkins married Charles Betts Fladger, a young Methodist minister from Marion County, South Carolina, whose family's fortunes had turned to dust after the "Recent Unpleasantness." His father's tombstone is inscribed "Slain by the hand of the midnight assassin" who happened to be one of the deserters hiding out in Maple Swamp. Old-timers swore that this is where Margaret Mitchell, a kinswoman, got the idea for the scene where Rhett and the solid citizens of Atlanta go to clean out the nest of deserters after Scarlett's unhappy encounter with a would be rapist. Only our Marion County guys got whupped bad. Why is it that Clark Gable is never around when you really need him? Anyhow, my daddy was Joseph Fladger, son of Charles Betts Fladger & Sarah Alice Jenkins. I don't know anything about Massengill Twinning, but I'll tell you one thing--some of us tend to digress! I used to be president of the Thomas Family Association of Dallas, and we worked cheek & jowl with the Texas Massengill Association--who are mostly descendents of your James, I think. Are you in contact with this organization? They own the plates to "the book" and have had it reprinted in paperback several times. I am now lurking around the Johnston County List because my O'Neals & Crumplers come from there--"even on one's mother's side." I enjoy your posts; makes me wonder what my former students are saying about me! Jean Shanelec Ellsworth, KS > Is this the book by Dr. Samuel Evans Massengill (pub. 1931) or something > else? I am from the Tennessee Massengills. Would like to touch base with you > if this is the same family. > > Jean > > Jean, I think we can safely assume that we are ALL of the same family > somewhere down the line. The Massengills of Johnson County was published > in 1984 by Roberta Walker Butler (whose mother Florence Elizabeth > Massengill Walker bears the most uncanny resemblance to my neice, Elizabeth > Brooks Bannister Thomspon); she quotes a lot from the relevant portions of > the S.E. Massengill tome. My family copy of that 40-pound book is with my > cousin Hugh Massengill in Raleigh. > > A few years ago, we made a copy of the pages in SEM's book that have > notations made by my uncle, the late George Wilson Massengill, a native of > Four Oaks, Johnston County, NC. All I can do, other than assure you that I > am really nice person, is to give you those passages in hopes you can > figure it out. > > Page 141 -- Uncle Wilson made a check mark beside the paragraph on Harnett > County and wrote "uncle", referring to P.T. (Preston Talmadge) Massengill, > who was my grandfather's older brother. Their father, George Washington > Massengill, traces back to 5 generations to Daniel II, from whom all of us > in the US are believed to be descended, b. ca. 1660-70, died ca. 1745, > through grandson James II, a brother of Henry of Watauga. > > Page 151 -- Uncle Wilson's phone number on Nov. 10, 1927 in Wake County was > 4011. I well remember that old telephone; it was in the his office, which > my father called "the doghouse" -- Uncle Wilson did a number of things and > one of them was to breed fine bird dogs and board dogs of all types. > > Page 423 -- dealing with a George Washington Massengale, a native of > Johnston County NC, is said to have settled in Jasper and Clarke Counties > (Mississippi) at/near Massengale Village in the 1840's-50's. There's a > pretty emphatic question mark by that paragraph. > > Page 447 -- check mark beside name of Elijah Martin (E.M.) Masingill of > Hattieville, Conway County, Ark., census records of 1830 and 1840. A > complete family history follows on page 448. This would likely NOT be the > George Massengill Jr. ca. 1765-1822 who married Elizabeth Blackman in 1797. > (My grandfather three generations later was born at Blackman's Crossroads > in Johnston County.) > > Page 607 -- Uncle Wilson notes "There as so many Georges, Roberts and > Henrys that it is hard to pick out the family of George Washington > Massengill 1835-1912, who was my grandfather." This occurs in the 1800 > Census records, Johnston County. > > If you can tell me where your line branches off from the line of Daniel II, > i think we can begin to work toward a match. According to Roberta's book, > and she's referencing SEM's book, James I, father of Henry of Watauga and > my ancestor James II, had several land grants in Tidewater Virginia and > eventually took up land in Northampton County NC. James II moved to > Edgecombe County (later Nash County); his son George was the first > Massengill in Johnston County NC. Several of his children removed to what > is now Tennesee, where their Uncle Henry of Watauga had already moved. The > Cobb-Massengill House there is called "Rocky Mount", which is also the name > of the town on the Tar River they had left. I notice that other place names > near the Watauga settlement also come from eastern North Carolina. > > Annie > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1

This message is in response to the following exchange: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:10:12 -0500 From: Vickie Burris <wburris@cdsnet.net> To: MASSENGILL-L@rootsweb.com My family twins lines were that they were all either boyes or girls. Dad said his two older brothers looked exactlly alike but one was left handed and one right. Back then I guess they tried to break the left handed children and teach them to be right handed. Please let me me know if this was the same in your family. Vickie Masengill Burris Ann Massengill wrote: I am interested in the occurrence of twins in the Massengill line. Do you know if your GWM was an identical or fraternal twin? Have you ever heard of the occurrence of "mirror image" twins, i.e., identical twins but one is left-handed, the other is right-handed, etc.? The George Washington Massengill of JCNC who is my great-grandfather was b. 12-17-1834 and d. 9-27-1912. MESSAGE FOLLOWS: Vickie, there are some old stories I remember as a child -- I mean I'm not that old but the stories were old when I was a child not very long ago! One story involved twin sisters; one died in some mysterious tragic way and the other could read her dead sister's mind, tracked down and killed her murderer. The other involved "mirror image twin" brothers -- both served in war-time (don't know which, but in the South, it's usually just "Thuh Wah", (that is, the War of Yankee Aggression). One came home "mutilated" (and I took that to mean he had lost one or both legs). His betrothed jilted him and married the Twin B, who was presumably not "mutilated". Twin A was found dead by his own hand, but the gun was in his (for the sake of argument and my fading memory, let's say) left hand. Twin A was right-handed. Twin B was left-handed. Twin B's wife was suspect; the twins knew they were mirror-image and would not have made such a mistake. As a footnote, I recall that a great-aunt argued valiantly that Twin A killed himself and tried to make it look like Twin B had murdered him; my uncle kept trying to explain that you cannot change the hand you hold the gun in after you've blown your brains out. I had the impression this woman lived in an upstairs room and only came down for ceremonial occasions... she may have been the wife. I notice that most sibs who appear by b-date or age to be twins are not named, as so many are today, with rhyming names. They do seem to have names that begin with the same letter, which any english lit major can tell you is also a form of "poesy". Here's a clue my father gave me: People who are ambidextrous have mirrow-image twins. Also, people who are ambidextrous are themselves and/or have children who are what we would today called "left-brained" and "right-brained" -- equally talented in the arts and in the sciences. He was a doctor, trained by doctors of the 1900-vintage, and matters of the brain were very intriguing to them. He would tend to break into other conversations and tell us something interesting he had heard about Twins or Brains! Apparently, there were many studies being published on both topics. Or maybe it's just that Massengills are such an intriguing bunch! According to S.E. Massengill, more Massengills lived in Johnston County NC than anywhere else. I don't know how he figured this out... our ancestors thought they weren't finished until they had about a dozen children, no matter where they were. Also, the Johnston County section of his huge book seems rather miniscule, compared to the remainder. Daddy once hinted at is that the Massengill Drug Co.'s famous douche came about to help prevent so many births AND additional births to parents who were twins themselves. So if identical twins were discouraged from having children, w/ or w/o benefit of the douche, and more Massengills live(d) in JCNC than anywhere else, do the math. annie P.S. I am copying this to the Johnston County NC RootsWebsite -- home of so many more Massengills!

I have several ancestors who lived in Tennessee. Each Tennessee county has a County Historian. Does North Carolina have a system of County Historians? Does Johnston County have a County Historian? Bill Allen <misterbill@pdq.net>

This message is in response to these two messages from Margaret Overton: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:33:14 -0700 From: Margaret Overton <maggieo@vcu.org> To: NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <200010151533.e9FFXEG01441@cgi.rootsweb.com> Subject: [NCJOHNST] Newton Grove and Bentonville Families Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1857 Surname: CREECH, CREACH, WARD, THORNTON, MASSENGILL ------------------------- Trying to find information on families of James W Creech or Creach, Mary Massengill, his wife; children Josephine, Sarah, Charley, Herring, Willis and Mary Creach or Creech (Mary, we think, married Gaston Williamson); Benajah Ward, who married Milly Thornton, daughter of Nathaniel and Milly Thornton; Benajah's first wife, Ferraby last name unknown; Milly Thornton, Nathaniel Thornton and children; Mary Polly Massengill and her family. Any information would be most appreciated. We have very little but will certainly share what we have. We do have photos of Sarah Creech, Thomas Ward, son of Benajah; and of Milly Thornton. Would love to share and be in touch with descendants. These are our great and great-great grandparents. Thanks so much. AND Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:18:42 -0400 From: Margaret Overton <maggieo@vcu.org> Subject: Mary Massengill To: nicojak@FTC-I.NET Reply-to: maggieo@vcu.org Organization: Maggie's Magic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Original-recipient: rfc822;nicojak@ftc-i.net Our Mary "Polly" was married to James Willis Creech or Creach. She was mother to Josephine, Sarah, Charley, Herring, Willis, Mary and Minnie Mae. We don't have dates but Sarah was born October 22, 1859 so that gives us some timeframe--I'm guessing around 1839 or so??? If you find anything on her, I'd be so very grateful. We have nothing but her name. thanks so much for posting a response. Maggie Overton, Richmond, VA Hi Margaret! This is a WILD SHOT IN THE dARK, so if it works out don't credit me. credit my long-suffering husband who does not bother me when I am knee-deep in a project. Of course, the projects I'm SUPPOSED to be knee-deep involve accounting, legal research, and play-writing. Bless his heart, he hasn't opened his mouth. Now, this is a combination of Roberta Butler's "Massengills of Johnston County" and the pages my mother had copied from S.E. Massengill's book -- she only copied the pages on which my uncle George Wilson Massengill had made notes. These are random pages, but fortunately I can almost read enough of the first inch of p.449 which is beside page 448. First, I noticed that Roberta's family chart shows George Massengill (whose last name is spelled variously as Maringill, Mashinggill, Massengale, etc.,) had a sister named Mary, who does not appear in Roberta's book. This George took up land in Edgecombe, which became Nash County NC, near Rocky Mount on the Tar River. This Mary is NOT your Mary, but like the curious cat, I started digging in to find out about her. Came up dry! THEN I see that she credits information on Aaron Massengill (p. 23) to Bryan CREECH and Hubert Massengill of Four Oaks. You might follow up on that. It was the missing Mary that bugged me. True, there is a Polly, age 5 and a Mary age 10 in the 1850 Census; and earlier, Henry Massengill and Lucy Temple (m. 1801) have a daughter named Polly (P. 25). There is NO INFO at all on any other girls. But as Peggy is still a common nickname for Margaret and Molly for Martha, so Polly used to be the nickname for Mary. This may have been about the time the counties split; Mary's records may be in Edgecombe, Nash, Wilson or any other county. But on page 25, in the listing of children of Robert Massengill II (1765- ca.1809), she refers to the lack of information on the other son, George Washington [Massengill] who married Mary Cotton and moved to Jasper County, Miss. Then I remembered my uncle's exasperated note in the margin of the SEM book: "There are too many George, Henrys and Roberts...." I DON'T THINK THIS IS AT ALL RELEVANT, BUT by the purest chance, I picked up those papers and the bunch fell open to page 447, and Uncle wilson's checkmark beside a notation of Civil and Personal Records of Conway County Arkansas. "E.M. (Elijah Martin) Masingill of Hattiesville, Ark., a descendant of George Washington Masingill of Johnston County, N.C., gave an unsually complete history of his branch of the family." (This book was published in the early 1930s I think.) His grandfather George Washington Masingill was born June 6, 1790, in Johnston County, N.C., and married Mary Cotton. (In Roberta's book, p. 123, BEFORE 2-18-1858 a George Massengill married Polly Cotton.) He says they had six boys and four girls. Of those, only JMWM survives with children. BUT, the listing shows only four girls and five boys, indicating another son is not accounted for. Mary, daughter of G.W. and Mary, was born in North Carolina and died in (can't read the name, but it starts with an L and could be Lawrence County. Other children died in Lawrence County, Miss.) Suppose she DID NOT die, but was sent back to other relatives to keep her from being killed by whatever plague was apparently going around. She may have been taken in by another family. I'm going to bed. Good night!

Hello Kay! Thanks so much for the answer. Here is my interest/connection: I have a document that shows Nancy Rogers, wife of Moses O'Neal, to be the sister of Mary Rogers, wife of Patrick O'Neal. I think that Moses and Patrick were quite possibly brothers. I am a direct descendant of Moses & Nancy O'Neal. I am trying to find the names of the other children of Patrick & Mary O'Neal. I know that two of their ten children were your Tamsey Boyett and Elizabeth Bailey. This information came from their Rev War pension application. I believe there was a son named Benjamin. I think that two more daughters may have been Nancy, who married Asa Crumpler, and Olive, who married John Crumpler. I am also directly descended from Olive and John Crumpler/Crumpley. Do you know if the book gives any more information about Patrick and Mary O'Neal? Where they were from, their parents, their children, etc? I will contact Mr. Hodge and perhaps I can buy a book. So happy to find you! We are at least related on our Rogers side. Do you know Mary's father's given name? Or who her mother was? Have you ever seen the name Olive used in your family? I will appreciate any information you can give me. Jean Shanelec Ellsworth, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: <Khroberds@aol.com> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] O'Neal. Boyett, & Bailey Ray Keith Hodge's book A Genealogical Study of the Larkin George Boyette Family and Descendants published in 1994 by Mr. Hodge, 206 West Wilson Street, Smithfield, NC 27577-5133 gives her father as Patrick O'Neal and her mother as Mary Rogers. She was born 1777 in Edgecombe Co. NC and died 1858 Johnston Co., NC I know a copy of this book is in the WIlson County Library Genealogical section. I am related to this family by George & Tamsey son James Boyett who moved to Wilson County in 1836. The family home is located in Johnston County and both George and Tamsey are buried near their home. Kay Roberds ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NC/Johnston/1870 Surname: Norris, Hodges ------------------------- Hi, Grace, I e-mailed you about this already but I'm posting in case someone else can help. I found Larkin Norris, 18, working as a laborer in Averasboro Township in the 1870 Harnett County census. He is living on the (John?-- born ca. 1830) and Harriet E. Hodges Farm.

Franklin, Thank you so much for taking the time to send us your info on the Lees and Ingrams. I am sending you via an e-mail what I have. I am printing your info and will compare your notes with mine. There are names that I don't have. I do know that most of my data came from a grandchild of Bythenia Lee...so it should be authentic. Will get back to you again. Appreciate your interest. Freda Researching: Roberson/Robinson, Wright, Solomon, Sills, Ingram, Thorton, Regan, Sims, Boles, Carter, Jones, Riley

Hi List, I am also looking for JONESes from the Bentonville area of Johnston County. I have an extensive file on Elias S. "Vinkler" JONES, born in 1824 in North Carolina. From 1845-1860 there are many references to him in the Johnston County court and land records, in Mason records, and in marriage records (he was a justice of the peace). In the 1850 census, Elias was listed with his wife Keziah EZZELL, and children Francis (b.1845), Milton (b.abt.1847), Stephen (b.1848) and Ann (b.1849). I am looking for the parents and siblings of Elias JONES. Thanks, Tom in Chapel Hill ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I don't know anything about the Ingrams but a ran across a couple of documents referring to Needham Ingram last week while I was in west Tennessee (Hardeman County). The documents are deeds of trust dated February 1830 and filed November 1830 from Susannah (Williams Fellow) Blackman to Needham Ingram. I am still trying to decipher the handwriting. I'll share if anyone is interested. Susannah Blackman was a resident of Sampson County and died there in 1837. (She's my 4th greatgrandmother.) Beverly FWI wrote: > Freda and Other Interested Lee/Ingram Researchers, > I returned home from work and decided to pull out some old notes that I made > long ago on the descendents of John Lee, Sr. Esq. At that time, I was > mainly interested in John Lee Esq's descendents who went to TN. I was > particularly interested in the Ingram to Lee marriages that wound up in TN > and then AR and/or IL. But I also made notes on the Lee to Ingram marriages > that went to AL. > > Among this material, I found the following notes on the children of Jeremiah > Lee and Elizabeth Avera. My notes are as follows: > > The marriage of Jeremiah Lee to Elizabeth Avera seems well documented. > Their marriage is documented by a Marriage Bond dated 18 Jan 1790 in > Johnston Co NC. Jeremiah Lee was the son of Edward Lee and the grandson of > John Lee, Esq. Jeremiah's Will was signed 1 May 1823 and probated 1824. It > documents that Elizabeth Avera Lee was still alive and names, among other > things, the following children. > > [Note: I just now noticed that Barnaby Ingram was one of the Executors of > Jeremiah Lee's Will. Barnaba Ingram signed his Johnston Co NC Will 31 Jan > 1833. His wife was Edith Altman. He names a William Ingram in his Will as > a son and lists him first, but only left him $1. Why only $1?? Barnaba > Ingram was the son of Shadrack Ingram and the great grandson of John Lee Sr. > Esq. > > However, a marriage date of 28 Jan 1797 for Barney Ingram to Edith Altman, > the parents of this William Ingram, seems to rule them out as the parents of > Nancy Lee Johnson Ingram's husband, William Ingram. The William Ingram who > married Nancy Lee Johnson is generally thought of as having been born in > 1790. Does anyone know the reason for this? I assume it is from a > Tombstone or Bible record.] > The children seem to be named in Jeremiah Lee's Will in birth order. Other > information about them is from the "Johnston County Genealogical and > Historical Society Journal," 1996 and other records in the NC Archives. > > 1) Winifred Lee, b. about 1792. Married first David George and second > Jeremiah Blackman. She is a Blackman in her father's Will. > > 2) Nancy Lee, b. about 1796 and died about 12 Apr 1856. Married first > Littleton Johnson and second William Ingram. There is a Marriage Bond in > Johnston Co NC supporting a marriage date of 20 Jan 1823. She was in Dallas > Co AL by 1850. She is Nancy Ingram in her father's Will. This confirms > that Bethana Lee Ingram had died prior to 20 Jan 1823. Bethana Lee Ingram's > heirs inherited in her father's (John Lee, Sr) 1835-Will. > > [Note that I misread the Will Abstract for John Lee Sr (1835) before sending > my earlier note on Bethana Lee Ingram and William Ingram and had assumed > that she was still living in 1835 when her father signed his Will. Sorry > for any confusion that this might have caused.] > > 3) Esther Lee, b. about 1790/1800. Married Thomas Allen Jr. She is Esther > Allen in her father's Will. > > 4) Hardy Lee, b. about 1800. Married Leanna Lee, daughter of Westbrook > Lee. Hardy possibly went to AL also. > > 5) Nicholas Lee, b. about 1804. Married Mary "Polly" Allen in 1827.. She > apparently was the daughter of Gideon and Esther Johnson Allen. > > 6) Isaac McD Lee, b. about 1805/10. Married first Polly Fail and second > Rachel _____. He was in Butler Co AL by 1840. > > 7) Alexander Lee, b. about 1805/10. Married Elizabeth Fail. He was in AL > by 1836. > > 8) Henry "Harry" Lee, b. about 1810. Married Elizabeth Jane Lee. She was > the daughter of Samuel Lee and Mary Rhodes Lee. He was in Wilcox Co AL by > 1834. > > Any suggestions or corrections would be appreciated. I am very curious who > the parents of William Ingram, married to Bethana Lee and then to Nancy Lee > Johnson, were?? > Franklin Ingram > > > > > Gail, I have written to you directly, sending you my Ingram info. As you > > will see, I have William Ingram with wife Bythenia Lee, daughter of Col. > > John Lee, and wife Nancy Lee, who was Widow Johnson when she married > > William. Nancy and Bythenia, according to my records, were cousins. > > > > I have William and Nancy with children: Elizabeth "Betsy", Ithiel, > > Marshall, Nancy, Racheal, Lucinda Jane, and Sarah Ann. William and > > Bythenia had Isaac, Emily, Irad. Emily and Irad were twins. Isaac Ingram > > is my great-grandmother's second husband. She was Mary Jane "Polly" Sills > > who married first Tyre Roberson, my great-grandfather. > > > > I don't have a son "Shadrack." Who was his Mother? > > > > I don't have an Elizabeth as a wife of William, nor a son Joseph. Did > > William have three wives? Or is all my data incorrect? It came from a > > direct descendant of Bythenia and William's daughter Nancy Ingram Wheeler. > > > > Would like to hear from anyone with info about these families. Thank you. > > Freda Roberson > > > > Researching: Roberson/Robinson, Wright, Solomon, Sills, Ingram, Thorton, > > Regan, Sims, Boles, Carter, Jones, Riley > > > > > > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > > > ============================== > > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

FWI wrote: > He names a William Ingram in his Will as > a son and lists him first, but only left him $1. Why only $1?? Its my understanding that if you do not intend to leave property to a "rightful" heir, by mentioning that heir and leaving them $1 they do not have the option of contesting the will. They can't claim that the deceased forgot to mention them. There are many reasons for not including a child in a will. Of course the obvious of not wanting them to inherit any of your property for whatever reason. Another, that probably would apply to an oldest son would be that the property has already gone to that child and the remaining children are receiving whatever is left. Just my opinion. Julie Cook (researching Brannon, Shirley, Lee and Webb, Langley and Pool families)

______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:11:57 -0500 From: "Jean Shanelec" <shanelec@informatics.net> To: NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005901c037df$a1534ec0$6196f0c7@csccusto> Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] Mary Massengill Is this the book by Dr. Samuel Evans Massengill (pub. 1931) or something else? I am from the Tennessee Massengills. Would like to touch base with you if this is the same family. Jean Jean, I think we can safely assume that we are ALL of the same family somewhere down the line. The Massengills of Johnson County was published in 1984 by Roberta Walker Butler (whose mother Florence Elizabeth Massengill Walker bears the most uncanny resemblance to my neice, Elizabeth Brooks Bannister Thomspon); she quotes a lot from the relevant portions of the S.E. Massengill tome. My family copy of that 40-pound book is with my cousin Hugh Massengill in Raleigh. A few years ago, we made a copy of the pages in SEM's book that have notations made by my uncle, the late George Wilson Massengill, a native of Four Oaks, Johnston County, NC. All I can do, other than assure you that I am really nice person, is to give you those passages in hopes you can figure it out. Page 141 -- Uncle Wilson made a check mark beside the paragraph on Harnett County and wrote "uncle", referring to P.T. (Preston Talmadge) Massengill, who was my grandfather's older brother. Their father, George Washington Massengill, traces back to 5 generations to Daniel II, from whom all of us in the US are believed to be descended, b. ca. 1660-70, died ca. 1745, through grandson James II, a brother of Henry of Watauga. Page 151 -- Uncle Wilson's phone number on Nov. 10, 1927 in Wake County was 4011. I well remember that old telephone; it was in the his office, which my father called "the doghouse" -- Uncle Wilson did a number of things and one of them was to breed fine bird dogs and board dogs of all types. Page 423 -- dealing with a George Washington Massengale, a native of Johnston County NC, is said to have settled in Jasper and Clarke Counties (Mississippi) at/near Massengale Village in the 1840's-50's. There's a pretty emphatic question mark by that paragraph. Page 447 -- check mark beside name of Elijah Martin (E.M.) Masingill of Hattieville, Conway County, Ark., census records of 1830 and 1840. A complete family history follows on page 448. This would likely NOT be the George Massengill Jr. ca. 1765-1822 who married Elizabeth Blackman in 1797. (My grandfather three generations later was born at Blackman's Crossroads in Johnston County.) Page 607 -- Uncle Wilson notes "There as so many Georges, Roberts and Henrys that it is hard to pick out the family of George Washington Massengill 1835-1912, who was my grandfather." This occurs in the 1800 Census records, Johnston County. If you can tell me where your line branches off from the line of Daniel II, i think we can begin to work toward a match. According to Roberta's book, and she's referencing SEM's book, James I, father of Henry of Watauga and my ancestor James II, had several land grants in Tidewater Virginia and eventually took up land in Northampton County NC. James II moved to Edgecombe County (later Nash County); his son George was the first Massengill in Johnston County NC. Several of his children removed to what is now Tennesee, where their Uncle Henry of Watauga had already moved. The Cobb-Massengill House there is called "Rocky Mount", which is also the name of the town on the Tar River they had left. I notice that other place names near the Watauga settlement also come from eastern North Carolina. Annie