Gail, I just copied the following Descendancy Chart on one William Ingram that I downloaded from the Lee House of John Lee, Esq. I believe this repeats some of what I sent earlier in my E-mails to you. However, as you can see, there is no documentation for any of the assertions, but I believe that this data has been relatively well researched and I gave you some documentation in my prior E-mails. However, I am still wanting documentation that the same William Ingram married first Bethanah Lee and then her first cousin, Nancy Lee Johnson. If you go to the first URL below you can find a great deal of data on various Lee families in the US. If you go to the second URL, you will find only John Lee, Esq data. There is a GEDCOM file that you can download on John Lee, Esq and his descendents. No parents of the William Ingram who allegedly married first Bethana Lee and then Nancy Lee Johnson, are identified. Would you know who he might be? Franklin http://members.tripod.com/LeeHouse/index2.htm http://www.members.tripod.com/~LeeHouse/Jlx-map.htm Descendants of William Ingram Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 INGRAM was born March 14, 1790 in, NC, and died April 25, 1860 in, Lowndes Co, AL. He married (1) BETHANAH LEE, daughter of JOHN LEE and MORNING ALTMAN. She was born Abt. 1790. He married (2) NANCY LEE, daughter of JEREMIAH LEE and ELIZABETH AVERA. She was born 1796, and died April 12, 1856. Children of WILLIAM INGRAM and BETHANAH LEE are: i. ISAAC2 INGRAM, b. September 11, 1817; m. MARY ROBINSON, March 30, 1848. More About ISAAC INGRAM and MARY ROBINSON: Marriage: March 30, 1848 ii. TWIN IRAD INGRAM, b. March 05, 1820; m. NARCISSA LEE, January 27, 1849. More About IRAD INGRAM and NARCISSA LEE: Marriage: January 27, 1849 iii. TWIN EMILY INGRAM, b. March 05, 1820; m. DAVID TOOL. Children of WILLIAM INGRAM and NANCY LEE are: iv. ELIZABETH2 INGRAM, b. November 01, 1823, NC; d. October 29, 1854. v. ITHIEL INGRAM, b. October 06, 1825, NC; d. May 21 1885; m. SARAH BILBERRY. vi. ELIZA INGRAM, b. August 24, 1827, NC, d. April 10, 1896. vii. MARY INGRAM, b. November 20, 1829, NC; d. February 22, 1915. viii. MARSHALL INGRAM, b. June 26, 1831, NC; d. June 25, 1862. ix. NANCY INGRAM, b. July 29, 1834, AL; d. May 1912, AL; m. JOHN W. WHEELER, January 31, 1861. More About JOHN WHEELER and NANCY INGRAM: Marriage: January 31, 1861 x. SARAH ANN INGRAM, b. October 20, 1837, AL; d. September 15, 1917. xi. RACHEL INGRAM, b. September 27, 1839, AL; d. December 06, 1862; m. JOSEPH A. ROBERTS, December 23, 1860. More About JOSEPH ROBERTS and RACHEL INGRAM: Marriage: December 23, 1860 xii. LUCINDA JANE INGRAM, b. October 08, 1842; m. MASTIN WIGGINS.

Franklin, I have this info. on Ingram some gotten from list other with census information the only Nancy in area + the Ingram family lived next to the Thornton's in county, can't remember at the moment if Sampson NC. MY Nancy INGRAM m. David Thornton she was on census and living with son. Samuel Isaac Thornton before 1854 I think. I have not found a marriage certificate. HER grave I was told has been destroyed by farmer's making a "pond"? in Johnston co. that is why there is no record of her burial place. This was TOLD to me by a woman in her 90's that knew the family. That is how I connected the two William's her father William on census and to the list. I have a question mark for sure against this info. to double check. gail

Gail, Thanks for the opportunity to clarify the Ingram to Lee information that I posted to the Johnston Co List. I am an Ingram researcher and not a Lee researcher. As to any William Ingrams who were married to any Lees, the following is what I have accumulated. (1) Others on various Roots Mailing Lists have asserted that a Bethanah Lee, born about 1790, and died before 1835 married a William Ingram who was born 14 Mar 1790 and died 25 Apr 1860 Lowndes Co AL. I have asked for documentation of these assertions but so far I have no documentation. These same "facts" were asserted in a 1997 issue of the "Johnston Co Genealogical and Historical Society Journal." There is no doubt that Bethanah Lee did marry an Ingram and that she in fact did die before 1835. This can be proven from her father's Will signed in 1835 Johnston Co NC. This was the Will of John Lee, Sr., son of Edward Lee, and the grandson of John Lee, Esq. The death before 1835 for Bethanah Lee Ingram is based on the fact that she was no longer living in 1835 when her father's Will stated: "Heirs of daughter Bethany Ingram-$1.00 with Est. already received." At first I misread the Abstract of this Will and thought that Bethana Ingram was still alive in 1835, but she was not. I assume that because the birth and death dates are so specific for this William Ingram that they come from a Tombstone in Lowndes Co AL or from a Family Bible or some other document of this sort. But I do not know what this documentation is. The problem for me is that none of this states that Bethanna Lee was married to this William Ingram who later died in Lowndes Co AL, but some of her descendents claim that this is in fact true and the undocumented data in the Johnston Co Genealogical Journal supports this claim. (2) On, 20 Jan 1823, a Nancy Lee Johnson and a William Ingram were issued a Marriage Bond in Johnston Co NC. Their descendents say that this couple and their children were in Dallas Co AL by 1850, as does the 1997 "Johnston Co Genealogical Journal." Nancy Lee was first issued a Marriage Bond to marry a Littleton Johnson, 13 May 1821, in Johnston Co. So, if this is the same William Ingram who may have first married Bethanah Lee, the daughter of John Lee, Sr, then Bethanah died prior to 1823. However, I have no documentation that they were the same Ingram, though some of William Ingram's descendents state that he married first Bethanah Lee and second Nancy Lee Johnson. The 1 May 1823 Will of Jeremiah Lee states: "Daughter Nancy Ingram-150 acres land on SS Beaver Swamp, deeded to me by David Lee, 17 Mar 1814, etc. Jeremiah Lee married Elizabeth Avera. He was also the son of Edward Lee and the grandson of John Lee, Esq. So he was the brother of John Lee, Sr whose daughter, Bethana also married an Ingram. The claim by descendents of William Ingram, who died in Lowndes Co AL, is that William Ingram married first Bethanah Lee and then married her first cousin, Nancy Lee Johnson. Perhaps, Freda Noble can shed some light on this puzzle. I think that she is a descendent of or knew a descendent of William Ingram. Freda was also interested in a Fail connection. It is interesting to note that two of Nancy Lee Johnson Ingram's brothers married Fails. Isaac McDonald Lee, b. about 1805/10, married first Polly Fail and second Rachel _____. He was in Butler Co AL by 1840. Alexander Lee, b. about 1805/10, married Elizabeth Fail. He was in AL by 1836. Maybe someone can help straighten this out and provide some documentation. Franklin Ingram

Gail, I have no documentation that Bethanah Lee Ingram married a William Ingram who was born about 1790. Lee researchers and some Ingram/Lee descendents claim that this is so. We can prove that Bethanah Lee did marry an Ingram and that she died prior to 1835 when her father signed his Will. What I do not know is if this Ingram's given name was William. Also I do not know the parents of this William Ingram--if he in fact did marry Bethanah Lee. The estimated dates do not fit for the William Ingram who was the son of Baranaba Ingram and Edith Altman. Baranaba and Edith did not marry until 1797. Further, some claim that after Bethanah Lee Ingram died, this William Ingram married Nancy Lee Johnson, the widow of Littleton Johnson, and they removed to AL. A marriage between Nancy Lee Johnson and a William Ingram in 1823 is proven by a Marriage Bond and by Jeremiah Lee's 1823 Will. Jeremiah was the father of Nancy Johnson Lee Ingram. She was Nancy Ingram in Jeremiah's Will Can you send me some documentation on your 2 William Ingram's? I am sending you a second E-mail that responds more fully to your query, but this short answer is the heart of the matter, I think. Franklin Ingram ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Hopkins" <gh529@one.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [NCJOHNST] Lees and Ingrams > Hello Franklin, Can you tell me who this woman (Bethanah Lee Ingram is married to - I don' t >want to put her down with William Ingram in case he is the wrong husband. Gail

Hello Franklin, I have been looking over the information that you sent to the list & me. Can you tell me who this woman is married to - I don' t want to put her down with William Ingram in case he is the wrong husband. Can you give me a est. date on husband , I have 2 William Ingrams in my tree.... I will copy part of the letter where you sent the information on this woman. THANKS again for all your help.Gail This confirms that Bethana Lee Ingram had died prior to 20 Jan 1823. Bethana Lee Ingram's heirs inherited in her father's (John Lee, Sr) 1835-Will. [Note that I misread the Will Abstract for John Lee Sr (1835) before sending my earlier note on Bethana Lee Ingram and William Ingram and had assumed that she was still living in 1835 when her father signed his Will. Sorry for any confusion that this might have caused.]

Can someone look up the marriage bond info for William R. Lee and H.A. ?? They had a son named George Lee born in 1874.

Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1879 Surname: Gardner ------------------------- Hello, I'm sorry I don't have the names you mentioned in my research so far. My grandfather was Walter Ambrose Gardner, & I do not know the names of his siblings or date of birth. I think that he was from NC but no way to know for sure. My father was Walter Manean Gardner b. 1893 in Fayette Co Ga. He didn't have anyone by those names as his siblings either. Good luck! Barbara

Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1878 Surname: Stanley ------------------------- I am looking for the parents of John M. Gardner born February 13, 1870, married to Willie B. Stanley born March 18, 1877. Willie's parents lived in Henry County, GA but her grandparents were all from Johnston County, NC. John and Willie lived in either Henry or Fayette County, and had two known children, Charlie Ralph Gardner and Katie Mae Gardner born in the late 1800s. If you have any of these names in your history please contact me direct at: lggrain@bellsouth.net or post on the forum. Thanks.

Hey, Pearl! I too make mistakes sending stuff! Look what just came back! THANK YOU, OH GREAT AUTOMATED MESSAGE RETURNER! annie >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:00:52 -0400 >To: NCJOHNST-D-request@rootsweb.com >From: Ann Massengill/John Evans <NICOJAK@ftc-i.net> >Subject: I hardly know where to begin! > >Though it is for general consumption by all interested parties, this is in response to messages posted by Diane Keisler, Meredith Page, Mamie Tate, and Edward L. Black (who plans to live forever): > >Mamie, I take your comments to heart and will endeavor to keep future notices either short or properly punctuated. Actually, one of my favorite chapters my new book includes a note to readers, which says "If in these first three pages you find one single convention of the English language that has not been thoroughly violated, please let me know and I will remedy the problem." > >I hope you will try to join us for the first JoCo Heritage Day because there will always only be ONE first event. Whatever seeds we may plant this first go-round will grow in ways we cannot at this moment even begin to anticipate. But no seed is likely to grow into a major theme park. > >Your message confirms my idea that we who are able to attend must make it a priority to be in e-touch with those who have the interest but cannot be there. I have said we must have access to a computer, so we can e-mail the folks back home. This will be better than what happened at our last trip to a convocation at the Duke Chapel -- to our utter horrification, there was more than one person attending who thought it would be so cool to call folks on his cell phone and let them hear the choir! [This accounts, no doubt, for the sign now Gothically engraved in the front door that reads: The use of cell phones in this building is strictly prohibited by fire and safety regulations. If God doesn't strike you dead by lightening, the crucifer will trip you as you exit the building and break both your legs!] > >Meredith, your magnanimous offer is a God-send to all those who want to get back to the regular tracking of their ancestors, and we do thank you for it. Of course, the others thank you even more for it. Yes, I do mean that the first annual Heritage Day will be this coming summer, the week of July 4th, 2001. > >Diane, you must forgive whoever that thoughtless insensitive clod is who did not acknowledge you interest. I think I have explained about the death of my dear Aunt Mary Ellen, but you also should know that since my husband's stroke 16 months ago, I tend to miss a lot, no matter how hard I try. In the future, if someone should express interest, I want you all to understand that acknowledging that interest is a committee responsibility we all SHARE... and if someone gets 8 or 10 acknowledgments, all the better. > >If I may use your response as an example, here's what I think we need in the way of a response: we would like to know which portion of the county the Pollards hails from and, for the benefit of the yet-to-be-organized steering committee, which sites in the county have come down to you through your research that we would need to locate and obtain the owner's permission for you and your family to access. (Accessing a site sounds a lot better than trespassing, but some people don't mess around with those tender linquistic distinctions! Bootleggers, for example! Actually the root for is the same for both: "ssing", old English for "Lord, get me out of here, and I'll get out of the next one all by myself!") > >Edward, I am obliged to you for your support and you may rest assured that you are on the list! Whether you want to be or not. And I really do value your privacy, but WHO ARE ALL THESE WOMEN WHO KEEP SIGNING THEIR NAMES TO YOUR STUFF? I would say it is definitely in your best interests to plan to live forever, Bubba! > >Now, what I would also appreciate is for each you to re-read the recent epistles to Warren and come back with your ideas. Of course, if Meredith is on schedule, we can do this on her website UNLESS I MISTAKE YOUR INTENT, MEREDITH??????? I don't know much about websites. > >AND, LET ME SAY THIS: MAMIE, YOU CAN KID ME ALL YOU WANT... BUT I REALLY AM A FRAGILE SOUTHERN FLOWER. LOL and one of those smiley faces my daughter keeps trying to get me to remember how to make! I hate to lose face and flunk Smiley Face 101! > >Life is good and I love y'all all, annie > > > > >

Pearl, it is so good to hear from you that I don't care about the mistakes. I would't have had the nerve to undertake anything like this if you hadn't chimed in with your whole-hearted support from the beginning. **** FIRST INFO WE NEED: Let me ask you and all the other family reps to the Steering Committee to contact other relatives, whether they live around the corner and you've known them all your life or whether you met an hour ago on the rootsweb in search of a common great-great-grandfather. We are looking for an indication of interest and trying to determine about how many from each family might attend. It is time to start identifying those families which are interestesd in attending and getting from them the actual places relevant to that family that they'd need help finding. I may not sound like it, but in my mind I REALLY DO have all this pretty much together... if Warren can receive a few dollars from each us and take care of the communal preparations. I have not overemphasized the need for handicap accessible facilities, and perhaps I should have more to say about that. I expect each of us is keenly aware that none of us are up to tromping very long through the woods or climbing a dozen steps to look into a church... beyond that, I also know that the places some people WANT to go are a tromp, tromp-and-a-half through somebody's woods, and somebody's going to have to locate these sites for us and get us directions and arrange to keep the owners from shooting them. Some people don't "do well" if every moment isn't planned down to the red carpet ride back to the airport -- hey! if those people will send me $10,000 I'll head up the road and work for them for the first six months of the year. Likely, they wouldn't be happy no matter what. You know one of the best trips we ever took? We went to Greenville NC or somewhere near there, for a function I can't even remember attending. But while the guys played golf, the "ladies" were taken to visit an old farm out in the country where a gentleman-farmer in his 80s spent the morning just showing us the old farm implements he had collected. It was raining cats and dogs, and there we were in our dress casuals trying to stay dry. Then we dashed the 100 yards or so to his house and had some lemonade and cookies. It was fantastic! Yeah! It was a charity golf tournament! Then men got rained out and were delighted to have all morning to talk guy-talk. That's the kind of experience I'd love for everybody to have -- well, except about the men getting rained out. Of course, it wasn't for everybody, and I had nothing to do with those plans. But, Pearl, I learned that day that there is a hell of a lot more to see and learn about no matter where the good Lord sets me down than to waste another day at an outlet mall! And I am profoundly betting that there are people -- people who are kin to us -- all over Johnston County going about their business, just waiting on someone to come along and ask them to share the knowledge they've spent a lifetime gathering up. I just hope one of them lives in Bud Massengill's house and knows about all those Massengill Family cemeteries. And that we can find him/her! I feel like we have made the first move: we have said to all & sundry, "Johnston County, I'm interested in you and I'd like to drop by and chat." Now we'll see what happens. WHATEVER actually happens is bound to beat the hell out of another week of cable television and traffic-dodging -- and when I think of what all the people in all those cars who are inexplicably drawn to Myrtle Beach on each and every holiday or excuse for one ARE SPENDING just to keep from staying home... well, I think it would probably drastically reduce the National Debt! YO! MAMIE TATE! I put in three extra periods just for you! HEY, Y'ALL! If Meredith Page is ready, we should be on our own website Monday or Tuesday! Then I can tell y'all about Mama and Daddy's midnight ride through the Andes Mountains in search of a mahogany farm in the Amazon Basin. Does anybody else know of people from Johnston County who cannot follow directions and spend half their travel-time getting lost? If so, welcome them to our club with open arms. Life is good! annie At 01:34 AM 10/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Annie, > >I meant to state in the previous email, that I am still on the "Amen List".I >made two errors ( I sometimes have made more ) on the reply email. I am not >sure how much I can do for the input, into this project ,but I am willing to >help, as much as I can. > My ancestry is from the Early WATSON Settlers Of Johnston County. I vote >for year 2001....hopefully I can make it that long. ;-) It is going to take a >lot of working together, to make this work. My thinking cap is still on, but >it is hard to keep my head screwed on straight, with my mileage. > >Keep those wonderful upbeat letters coming . I just love them, and if they >don`t spark interest, nothing will. By the way, I sure would like to play >with your mom and her trains. :-) > >Pearl Moye Weaver >

Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1877 Surname: HOLT, WELLONS ------------------------- My ggg-grandfather married Moliana Wellons, on Feb 11, 1840 in Johnston Co., NC. She passed away and then he married Valiary Wellons. There is a rumor that she may have been a Holt. I would appreciate any information on Moliana or Valiary.

Annie, I meant to state in the previous email, that I am still on the "Amen List".I made two errors ( I sometimes have made more ) on the reply email. I am not sure how much I can do for the input, into this project ,but I am willing to help, as much as I can. My ancestry is from the Early WATSON Settlers Of Johnston County. I vote for year 2001....hopefully I can make it that long. ;-) It is going to take a lot of working together, to make this work. My thinking cap is still on, but it is hard to keep my head screwed on straight, with my mileage. Keep those wonderful upbeat letters coming . I just love them, and if they don`t spark interest, nothing will. By the way , I sure would like to play with your mom and her trains. :-) Pearl Moye Weaver

In a message dated 10/18/00 1:25:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NICOJAK@ftc-i.net writes: << So, it would be good to re-group. I hope you can access through some search function all the "Amens" we have gotten so far. I had been trying to keep a list, and these are the people on it: Shelby Crocker Smith, John Hobby of AR (who can't come but needs for us to find him a Hobby while we're there!), Pearl Weaver, Edward A. Black Sr., Betty Stancil, Vicki Canipe, my mother and me. You make nine! >>

Final resting place not final By Clay Cansler, Wilson Daily Times Staff Writer After lying undisturbed for nearly 120 years, a few Wilsonians will receive a new resting place soon. Road expansion for a new subdivision prompted the removal of a family graveyard near Dewfield development across from the Seventh-day Adventist church being built on Lake Wilson Road. Large cedars covered the three to six graves, which are now in the way of a deceleration lane for the 52-house subdivision being built by Kingsmill Homes. Crews are still digging to determine how many graves are at the site. Ward Sutton, owner of R. Ward Sutton Cemetery Services, said it appears to be the Perry family graveyard. A headstone atop the ground marked the grave of Jane Ellen Perry, who died Jan. 28, 1886. Among remains found Tuesday were handles, screws and glass from a coffin, a glass button and reddish brown skull fragments from a corpse. Unfortunately, nothing was found that could identify the corpse, although Sutton said it appeared to be a man from the size of the grave. Remains from the graves will be transferred to Maplewood Cemetery, where they will be individually casketed and entombed. A marker will announce the graves' original location and a notation will be made in the county courthouse. Mike Webb, engineering assistant with Green Engineering, said an advertisement was run in The Wilson Daily Times for four weeks announcing the removal of the graves, giving relatives an opportunity to voice opposition. No one voiced any objection. Joan Howell, who has published three books on genealogy and old graves in Wilson County, said she has not been able to find a lot of information on the Perrys. She said it appears John Perry, husband of Jane, remarried after her death. His remains and those of his second wife may be there. There had been rumors the cedars hid 20 or 30 slave graves, but Webb said residents might have confused the Perry lot with a bigger graveyard down the road. To be sure no graves are missed, crews are unearthing a 50-foot by 50-foot area around the graves. Workers used finding rods, like those employed to determine the location of septic tanks, to locate the graves. Sutton said soil disturbed by digging remains soft. About 2 feet below ground, an observer also can tell where a grave is through discoloration of the soil. The rich brown of decomposed coffin wood and of the corpse are easy to spot against North Carolina red clay. Sutton said a person can tell a lot about people by their graves. Since the first grave dug up was probably that of a man judging by its size, it is likely that the remains of his wife will be to his right facing the east, which is customary in burial. Personal effects and ornaments remaining often give an idea of the gender and wealth of the entombed. After 30 years of digging up graves, Sutton said he's found all sorts of things under the ground, including glass eyes. "You have it, I've dug it up," he chuckled. "It's like the good book says, 'Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust.'" G. Hunter Ferrell snuffy20@telocity.com

Lookup Request - Smithville: If possible, I would REALLY appreciate it if someone could look up MINNIE BAKER's birth in the Johnston County records. She was born in March of 1877. I really would like to know her parent's names. (also, her son Robie Howard Baker, b: June 1897 - I would love to know the father's name... it hasn't appeared on anything I have found.) I tracked her through various years of the census (1900,1910). After 1910 she disappeared. I'm not sure if she died or married at that point. Thanks - I appreciate the help! ajambler in Texas (Minnie's g.granddaughter)

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [NCJOHNST] Lula Brannan/Robert Hatcher Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:50:10 -0700 From: "gsctx" <gsctx@msn.com> Organization: Microsoft Corporation To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> References: <200010182357.e9INvKu05736@cgi.rootsweb.com> Hi.I came from Thomas Brown and Sarah Hatcher.Would appreciate some Hatcher info,if you don't mind. Gary Corbett. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nel Hatcher" <nelhatch@rapidnet.com> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: [NCJOHNST] Lula Brannan/Robert Hatcher > Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1871 > > Surname: Brown, Hatcher > ------------------------- > > Hi Ed, > > I have Browns and Hatchers in JohnstonCo (intermarried several times), > but no Brannans. But I would be interested to know if you have dates on > Lula Brannan and Robert Hatcher. I would like to see if I can identify > him on our file. > > Thanks, > Nel > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/search >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [NCJOHNST] Johnston County Heritage Day/Week Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:34:32 -0700 From: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20001018131855.007e59f0@mail.ftc-i.net> Annie, count me in! Bev Williamson in FL WILKINS, CAPPS, JONES (x2) cyberbev@earthling.net ICQ 84892128 AIM BevWmson I am planning to live forever......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BOON HILL REUNION http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/l/Beverly--C-Williamson/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Go out and do your destiny." Rulon Gardner, 2000 Olympic Champion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Massengill/John Evans" <NICOJAK@ftc-i.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: [NCJOHNST] Johnston County Heritage Day/Week >All we need for a successful > event is an even dozen. I'm very sure there are others I meant to make > note of, but life has been too hectic to get them on my list. If ALL Y'ALL > WOULD KINDLY CHECK IN AGAIN, I'd appreciate it.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [NCJOHNST] Massengill twins Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:01:14 -0700 From: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20001018090537.007e5a00@mail.ftc-i.net> Annie, I am not a Massengill, but I LOVE to read your stories! Bev cyberbev@earthling.net ICQ 84892128 AIM BevWmson I am planning to live forever......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PITTMAN DATA BANK: Now 2,250 depositors, and growing! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bevwmson/pittmandatabank.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life is a one-way trip .. take the detours." CyberBev, Jan 2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Massengill/John Evans" <NICOJAK@ftc-i.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: [NCJOHNST] Massengill twins > This message is in response to the following exchange: > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:10:12 -0500 > From: Vickie Burris <wburris@cdsnet.net> > To: MASSENGILL-L@rootsweb.com > My family twins lines were that they were all either boyes or girls. Dad > said his two older brothers looked exactlly alike but one was left handed > and one right. Back then I guess they tried to break the left handed > children and teach them to be right handed. Please let me me know if this > was the same in your family. Vickie Masengill Burris > > Ann Massengill wrote: I am interested in the occurrence of twins in the > Massengill line. Do you know if your GWM was an identical or fraternal > twin? Have you ever heard of the occurrence of "mirror image" twins, i.e., > identical twins but one is left-handed, the other is right-handed, etc.? > The George Washington Massengill of JCNC who is my great-grandfather was b. > 12-17-1834 and d. 9-27-1912. > > > MESSAGE FOLLOWS: > > Vickie, there are some old stories I remember as a child -- I mean I'm not > that old but the stories were old when I was a child not very long ago! > One story involved twin sisters; one died in some mysterious tragic way and > the other could read her dead sister's mind, tracked down and killed her > murderer. > > The other involved "mirror image twin" brothers -- both served in war-time > (don't know which, but in the South, it's usually just "Thuh Wah", (that > is, the War of Yankee Aggression). One came home "mutilated" (and I took > that to mean he had lost one or both legs). His betrothed jilted him and > married the Twin B, who was presumably not "mutilated". Twin A was found > dead by his own hand, but the gun was in his (for the sake of argument and > my fading memory, let's say) left hand. Twin A was right-handed. Twin B > was left-handed. Twin B's wife was suspect; the twins knew they were > mirror-image and would not have made such a mistake. > > As a footnote, I recall that a great-aunt argued valiantly that Twin A > killed himself and tried to make it look like Twin B had murdered him; my > uncle kept trying to explain that you cannot change the hand you hold the > gun in after you've blown your brains out. I had the impression this woman > lived in an upstairs room and only came down for ceremonial occasions... > she may have been the wife. > > I notice that most sibs who appear by b-date or age to be twins are not > named, as so many are today, with rhyming names. They do seem to have > names that begin with the same letter, which any english lit major can tell > you is also a form of "poesy". > > Here's a clue my father gave me: People who are ambidextrous have > mirrow-image twins. Also, people who are ambidextrous are themselves > and/or have children who are what we would today called "left-brained" and > "right-brained" -- equally talented in the arts and in the sciences. He > was a doctor, trained by doctors of the 1900-vintage, and matters of the > brain were very intriguing to them. He would tend to break into other > conversations and tell us something interesting he had heard about Twins or > Brains! Apparently, there were many studies being published on both > topics. Or maybe it's just that Massengills are such an intriguing bunch! > > According to S.E. Massengill, more Massengills lived in Johnston County NC > than anywhere else. I don't know how he figured this out... our ancestors > thought they weren't finished until they had about a dozen children, no > matter where they were. Also, the Johnston County section of his huge book > seems rather miniscule, compared to the remainder. > > Daddy once hinted at is that the Massengill Drug Co.'s famous douche came > about to help prevent so many births AND additional births to parents who > were twins themselves. So if identical twins were discouraged from having > children, w/ or w/o benefit of the douche, and more Massengills live(d) in > JCNC than anywhere else, do the math. > > > annie > > P.S. I am copying this to the Johnston County NC RootsWebsite -- home of so > many more Massengills! > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [NCJOHNST] relatives of John W. Brannan/ William Ruffin Brannan Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:48:42 -0700 From: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> References: <200010171443.e9HEh9013628@cgi.rootsweb.com> Eddie, I would like to know which Robert HATCHER was married to Lula BRANNAN, where and when? Thanks, Bev cyberbev@earthling.net ICQ 84892128 AIM BevWmson I am planning to live forever......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PITTMAN DATA BANK: Now 2,250 depositors, and growing! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bevwmson/pittmandatabank.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life is a one-way trip .. take the detours." CyberBev, Jan 2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie Brannan" <eddiebrannan@mindspring.com> To: <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: [NCJOHNST] relatives of John W. Brannan/ William Ruffin Brannan > Posted on: Johnston Co. NC Queries Forum > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NC/Johnston/1869 > > Surname: > ------------------------- > > Susan, > > I believe I contacted you several years ago and shared info via my aunt > Lucille concerning Brannan ancestors. I have been unable to go back further > than great, great grandfather John W. Brannan wife Lucinda Brown father > of William Ruffin Brannan whose 7 children include Jessie( married Lillie > then Zilphia), Lula( married Robert Hatcher), Ella( married Jessie Wilder), > Edward ( married Dorthy), Annie (married Paul Whitley), Bertie Maynard > (married Melba Maud Whitley), and Lettie ( married Jonah Parrish). > > Have you found John W.Brannan's parents! > > Orice Edison Brannan Jr. ( Eddie ) > > Bremen Georgia > > > ==== NCJOHNST Mailing List ==== > Johnston County, North Carolina NCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncjohnst/index.htm > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Noah P. PITTMAN & his two wives Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:28:09 -0700 From: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "I am who I have always been." <bevjax@earthlink.net> To: "JoCoNC Mail List" <NCJOHNST-L@rootsweb.com> I would like to learn more about the Descendants of Noah P. PITTMAN 1 PITTMAN, Noah P. b: 6 Sep 1893 Johnston Co NC d: 30 Jul 1983 Johnston Co NC .. +CREECH, Sallie Harriett b: 1894 d: 1919 m: 24 Jan 1915 Johnston Co NC ............ 2 PITTMAN, Harvey Jethro ................. +--?-- ............ 2 PITTMAN, Addie ................. +BROWN ............ 2 PITTMAN, infant b: 26 Nov 1918 d: 26 Nov 1918 Johnston Co NC *2nd Wife of PITTMAN, Noah P.: .. +BATTEN, Ida Jane b: 1897 d: 1982 m: 27 Jun 1920 Johnston Co NC ............ 2 PITTMAN, Amos Jethrow b: 19 Feb 1932 Johnston Co NC ................. +MURPHREY, Mary Lee ............ 2 PITTMAN, Roda Estelle ................. +JONES, Lester m: 9 Sep 1933 ............ 2 PITTMAN, Velma ................. +HARVEY, Michael ............ 2 PITTMAN, Mazell b: 17 Dec 1925 Johnston Co NC d: 1984 ................. +PARRISH, Raymond cyberbev@earthling.net ICQ 84892128 AIM BevWmson I am planning to live forever......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PITTMAN DATA BANK: Now 2,250 depositors, and growing! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bevwmson/pittmandatabank.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Life is a one-way trip .. take the detours." CyberBev, Jan 2000