I'll try to answer some of the questions in the below message: Hiram King Jones was my gg grandfather. His first wife was Mary Caroline Justus by whom he had 13 children. This is why you find him in the censuses with wife's name Caroline. He also had three children by a woman with the last name Johnson (coincidentally also named Caroline). Susan lists these children in her original e-mail. Then Hiram King Jones also married Sarah Elvinia Stepp and had a daughter named Mahulda. The reason you don't find Hiram listed in the Henderson County 1880 census is because he was living in Transylvania County, NC with Sarah (before they were married), daughter Mahulda (Huldah) and Andrew Johnson, one of his Johnson children. Since this Johnson son was 16 at the time, the others may have been older and on their own by this time (or they may have been younger and living with their mother). Has anyone checked 1880 census to see if they're listed as heads of household? I believe Hiram didn't marry Sarah E. Stepp until after his wife died in 1887, but he was estranged from his wife and his legitimate children. This is why she is buried at Dana Methodist Church and he is at Jones Cemetery. In his last years he came back to Henderson County and lived alone on the property of James King Jones, my great grandfather, until his death in 1910. The reason you find so many references to H.K. Jones is because there were four men named Hiram King Jones, so you have to know which one you're looking at. The one in question here is the son of Capt. Robert Jones and his wife Elizabeth McGuffie. All four were related -- if anyone wants to know I can tell you their relationship to each other and who they married. Ruth Kidd -----Original Message----- From: VaGreen100@aol.com <VaGreen100@aol.com> To: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com <NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: Re: JOHNSONS >I can't find the original author of this message, so I'm sending my answer to >the list. >Virginia ><< > > > I'm at a dead end with my Johnson line, maybe someone can help. My > > gggrandfather was Andrew Jackson Johnson (b. 1864) in Henderson Co., >married > > 1st Flora Shipman and later after her death married Emma Shipman her >sister. > > Andrew Jackson Johnson I think was illegitimate; his father was Hiram King > > Jones (I think) and mother was Oney Caroline Johnson (I think). I'm trying > > to find any information on Oney Caroline Johnson. She had 3 son's by Hiram > > King Jones, Hiram King Johnson, Andrew Jackson Johnson and C. Leander > > Johnson. She later married and moved to Spartanburg SC, I think. Hiram > > King Jones raised the sons. Does anyone know anything about these >Johnsons. >> >I don't know where you looked; but here's what I found: >1850 Census Henderson County: Dorsey, transcription of the 1850 census, >pg.131, HH/615: Jones, King 35 (1815) > Caroline 32 (1817) > Nancy 7 (1843) > Elizabeth 5 (1845) > John 3 (1847) >Anyone searching in the 1850 time period should search this transcription, as >the Dorsey's consulted several copies of the 1850 census for Henderson >County, and found a number of people not on the film issued by the Archives. >I would guess that for a very small fee the Henderson County Genealogical and >Historical Society would search their copy for one. >1860 Census Henderson County: Bishop transcription >1501. (Hendersonville) > Jones, H. K. (m) 40 (1820) > Caroline 36 (1824) > Elizabeth 18 (1842) > Nancy 16 (1844) > George W. 14 (1846) > James 12 (1848) > John 10 (1850) > Matilda 8 (1852) > Emily 6 (1854) > Robert 4 (1856) > Thomas 2 (1858) > William 1 (1859) >I can't find Hiram King Jones in the 1880 census (I don't have a copy of the >1870 census). I do find this in 1880 Census Henderson, Bishop, pg. 14. It >may or may not be the Caroline listed above with Hiram King Jones. >HH: 106 Jones, Caroline 56 (1824) NC, NC, NC > Catherine M. 28 (1852) daughter, >laborer, same > Robert T. 24 (1856) son, >laborer > Harriett E. 19 (1861) daughter, >laborer > Laura E. 17 (1863) >daughter >In Cawyer's Marriages of Henderson County are these: >Pg. 35: James Jones, age 24, son of King Jones, and Miss Julia Pace, age 21, >dau. of L. J. Pace were married 5th Nov. 1871 by James Bythe, M.G. >pg. 96: M. P. Hill, age 20, of Henderson Co., to M. A. Ward, age 18 of >Henderson co., married by Thomas Blackwell, J. P., 25 Dec. 1884, at home of >Hiram Jones. Wit: H. K. Jones, J. H. Hill, J.J. Hill (note that there was a >younger H.K. Jones and this may refer to him.) >pg. 14: 2 Aug. 1860 H. K. Jones, Mary A. T. Stayton, by James Blythe, M. G. >pg. 23 H. K. Jones, age 20, son James Jones, and Lucinda Henderson, age we, >dau. of William Henderson, married 26 Aug. 1867 by James Blythe, M. G. >pg. 40: H. K. Jones, age 24 of Henderson County to Mary Hood, age 21 of >Henderson County, married 19 Dec. 1872 >pg. 52; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of James Jones to Elizabeth Waters >pg., 54: H. K. Jones witness at marriage of R. C.Hyder to Cathren Jones >pg. 67: married at the home of H. K. Jones, D. L. Morrison and Emely Jones, >16 Jan. 1879 >Pg. 112; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of Joseph Jones, age 32 to Emma pac, >22 Dec. 1887 >pg. 128: H. K. Jones is listed as the J.P. performing the wedding (18 Jan. >1892) >pg. 132: H. K. Jones is listed as the J. P. performing the wedding (11 June >1903) >In the Henderson County Cemeteries (pub. by the Henderson County Genealogical >and Historical Society): pg.280: Jones Cemetery, Upward: >Hiram King Jones 1 May 1820 - 2 April 1910; there is also a marker for Hiram >K. Jones, no dates Co. H. 2nd NC Mtd Inf. I couldn't find anyone nearby to >identify as a wife. I couldn't find him in the 1880 census when he should >have been there; also the 1900, but I don't have that one. Could he and >Caroline gotten a divorce; could his wife have been named Caroline also? >Could they have just lived together. Where are the Johnson boys in the 1880 >census? >pg. 351: Cemeteries: Oak Forest Cemetery >Andrew J. Johnson 3 Aug. 1963 - 12 Feb. 1940; Emma Shipman Johnson (no dates) >Ester Florence w/o A. J. Johnson 14 Nov. 1863 - 15 Sept. 1899; Carroll s/o >Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson b/d 4 Nov. 1909; Frazier s/o Mr. and Mrs. A. J. >Johnson 1901-1902; Hershall, s/o Mrs. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson 3 Dec. 1899; 19 >Feb 1900 (dates don't add up here, but that's what's in the book) >Well, I didn't solve anyone's problem but maybe this well help someone. It >still puzzles me about the Caroline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >