It appears likely that there will be required number of requests for the cd to justify the making of a June 1999 revision of the Old Pendleton Database cd. The Old Pendleton Database is composed of the ancestors and descendents of those who lived in the westernmost 3 counties of SC. As expected, event/locations for SC are the most numerous, but most states and many countries are represented. NC and Georgia combined account for 15% of all stated event/locations. This is the cd version of the Old Pendleton Database as maintained by Herman Geschwind of the OPD Chapter or the SCGS (revised/expanded monthly). This database now contains well over 200,000 names (showing relationships), and almost 11,000 surnames. The gedcom may be downloaded from the link provided, but the cd is provided to save hours of download/extract/combine/import time in 3 major genealogy programs (demos or shareware of all provided). Please note the following: 1. The cd will not work with Macs 2. The cd requires Win95 or Win98. The Old Pendleton Database cd webpage has been updated: http://www.shelby.net/jr/olpend/ You can look here to find about anything you'd like to know about the cd. Please do not respond to this list regarding the cd. A special mailing list OPD-CD-L has been formed at Rootsweb for the special purpose of discussion of obtaining/using the cd. A portion of the revenue from the cds will go to Rootsweb and to the OPDC/SCGS. This cd project was not begun until it had the approval and support of Rootsweb.

I am still searching for parents of Branch Hamilton M Trull b 3 Jan 1831 d 18 Jun 1896 bur Gwyn Cemetery in Haywood County NC. H e married Miriam M Killian 24 Apr 1856 in Henderson County NC. They had 12 children, the oldest, Harvey, was my ancestor. Others are John Perry, William B., James A, Mary Eda, Benjamin G, Julia A, Laura A, Lula Z, Witt L, M Ella, & George Homer. I have Branch's civil war records and have found the family in the 1870 census of Haywood County. Any help is certainly appreciated. Darlene

VaGreen100@aol.com wrote: > > Nancy Amanda Osborne Lytle was born 1 Jan 1838; d. 11 Nov. 1896; married 24 > Oct. 1865 (Henderson County, NC) John Millington Lytle. They are buried at > Mills River Presbyterian Church, Henderson County. Seeking the names of her > parents. Are they also buried at Mills River Presbyterian Church? > Virginia Green > VaGreen100@aol.com > Seeking descendants of George Clayton (1723-1786) There is a large published Lytle history floating around which, if memory serves me, includes Lytle lines in a number of western NC counties. Sorry, Virginia, I don't have a copy, but I do know people who own copies. Contact me off list and I'll be glad to give you names and phone numbers. Michael Allison

Nancy Amanda Osborne Lytle was born 1 Jan 1838; d. 11 Nov. 1896; married 24 Oct. 1865 (Henderson County, NC) John Millington Lytle. They are buried at Mills River Presbyterian Church, Henderson County. Seeking the names of her parents. Are they also buried at Mills River Presbyterian Church? Virginia Green VaGreen100@aol.com Seeking descendants of George Clayton (1723-1786)

Last week I reponded to the roll call with Lyda/Lyday (desendants of Andrew Lyda). I was contacted by three people who have connections and have exchanged a number of e-mails with two of them off list. I thought that I would post the names in since the messages were off list. Phillip M Heavner <pheavner@vistatech.net> (5th great grandson of Andrew) Joe A. Cowart <JOALCO@palmnet.net> (4th great grandson of Andrew) Daurice G Snow <dsnow6@juno.com> Happy Hunting Everyone, -- ********************************************************************* Steven Lyday Internet Genealogy - Many eyes make light work. e-mail: slyday@home.com Website: http://www.overheadrailways.com/kuzcentral/index.html (Sponsored by Overhead Railways) Looking for Lyday, Lyda, Lydy, Leidy, Leidig, Lidi, Leedy and many collateral lines *********************************************************************

I'll try to answer some of the questions in the below message: Hiram King Jones was my gg grandfather. His first wife was Mary Caroline Justus by whom he had 13 children. This is why you find him in the censuses with wife's name Caroline. He also had three children by a woman with the last name Johnson (coincidentally also named Caroline). Susan lists these children in her original e-mail. Then Hiram King Jones also married Sarah Elvinia Stepp and had a daughter named Mahulda. The reason you don't find Hiram listed in the Henderson County 1880 census is because he was living in Transylvania County, NC with Sarah (before they were married), daughter Mahulda (Huldah) and Andrew Johnson, one of his Johnson children. Since this Johnson son was 16 at the time, the others may have been older and on their own by this time (or they may have been younger and living with their mother). Has anyone checked 1880 census to see if they're listed as heads of household? I believe Hiram didn't marry Sarah E. Stepp until after his wife died in 1887, but he was estranged from his wife and his legitimate children. This is why she is buried at Dana Methodist Church and he is at Jones Cemetery. In his last years he came back to Henderson County and lived alone on the property of James King Jones, my great grandfather, until his death in 1910. The reason you find so many references to H.K. Jones is because there were four men named Hiram King Jones, so you have to know which one you're looking at. The one in question here is the son of Capt. Robert Jones and his wife Elizabeth McGuffie. All four were related -- if anyone wants to know I can tell you their relationship to each other and who they married. Ruth Kidd -----Original Message----- From: VaGreen100@aol.com <VaGreen100@aol.com> To: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com <NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: Re: JOHNSONS >I can't find the original author of this message, so I'm sending my answer to >the list. >Virginia ><< > > > I'm at a dead end with my Johnson line, maybe someone can help. My > > gggrandfather was Andrew Jackson Johnson (b. 1864) in Henderson Co., >married > > 1st Flora Shipman and later after her death married Emma Shipman her >sister. > > Andrew Jackson Johnson I think was illegitimate; his father was Hiram King > > Jones (I think) and mother was Oney Caroline Johnson (I think). I'm trying > > to find any information on Oney Caroline Johnson. She had 3 son's by Hiram > > King Jones, Hiram King Johnson, Andrew Jackson Johnson and C. Leander > > Johnson. She later married and moved to Spartanburg SC, I think. Hiram > > King Jones raised the sons. Does anyone know anything about these >Johnsons. >> >I don't know where you looked; but here's what I found: >1850 Census Henderson County: Dorsey, transcription of the 1850 census, >pg.131, HH/615: Jones, King 35 (1815) > Caroline 32 (1817) > Nancy 7 (1843) > Elizabeth 5 (1845) > John 3 (1847) >Anyone searching in the 1850 time period should search this transcription, as >the Dorsey's consulted several copies of the 1850 census for Henderson >County, and found a number of people not on the film issued by the Archives. >I would guess that for a very small fee the Henderson County Genealogical and >Historical Society would search their copy for one. >1860 Census Henderson County: Bishop transcription >1501. (Hendersonville) > Jones, H. K. (m) 40 (1820) > Caroline 36 (1824) > Elizabeth 18 (1842) > Nancy 16 (1844) > George W. 14 (1846) > James 12 (1848) > John 10 (1850) > Matilda 8 (1852) > Emily 6 (1854) > Robert 4 (1856) > Thomas 2 (1858) > William 1 (1859) >I can't find Hiram King Jones in the 1880 census (I don't have a copy of the >1870 census). I do find this in 1880 Census Henderson, Bishop, pg. 14. It >may or may not be the Caroline listed above with Hiram King Jones. >HH: 106 Jones, Caroline 56 (1824) NC, NC, NC > Catherine M. 28 (1852) daughter, >laborer, same > Robert T. 24 (1856) son, >laborer > Harriett E. 19 (1861) daughter, >laborer > Laura E. 17 (1863) >daughter >In Cawyer's Marriages of Henderson County are these: >Pg. 35: James Jones, age 24, son of King Jones, and Miss Julia Pace, age 21, >dau. of L. J. Pace were married 5th Nov. 1871 by James Bythe, M.G. >pg. 96: M. P. Hill, age 20, of Henderson Co., to M. A. Ward, age 18 of >Henderson co., married by Thomas Blackwell, J. P., 25 Dec. 1884, at home of >Hiram Jones. Wit: H. K. Jones, J. H. Hill, J.J. Hill (note that there was a >younger H.K. Jones and this may refer to him.) >pg. 14: 2 Aug. 1860 H. K. Jones, Mary A. T. Stayton, by James Blythe, M. G. >pg. 23 H. K. Jones, age 20, son James Jones, and Lucinda Henderson, age we, >dau. of William Henderson, married 26 Aug. 1867 by James Blythe, M. G. >pg. 40: H. K. Jones, age 24 of Henderson County to Mary Hood, age 21 of >Henderson County, married 19 Dec. 1872 >pg. 52; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of James Jones to Elizabeth Waters >pg., 54: H. K. Jones witness at marriage of R. C.Hyder to Cathren Jones >pg. 67: married at the home of H. K. Jones, D. L. Morrison and Emely Jones, >16 Jan. 1879 >Pg. 112; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of Joseph Jones, age 32 to Emma pac, >22 Dec. 1887 >pg. 128: H. K. Jones is listed as the J.P. performing the wedding (18 Jan. >1892) >pg. 132: H. K. Jones is listed as the J. P. performing the wedding (11 June >1903) >In the Henderson County Cemeteries (pub. by the Henderson County Genealogical >and Historical Society): pg.280: Jones Cemetery, Upward: >Hiram King Jones 1 May 1820 - 2 April 1910; there is also a marker for Hiram >K. Jones, no dates Co. H. 2nd NC Mtd Inf. I couldn't find anyone nearby to >identify as a wife. I couldn't find him in the 1880 census when he should >have been there; also the 1900, but I don't have that one. Could he and >Caroline gotten a divorce; could his wife have been named Caroline also? >Could they have just lived together. Where are the Johnson boys in the 1880 >census? >pg. 351: Cemeteries: Oak Forest Cemetery >Andrew J. Johnson 3 Aug. 1963 - 12 Feb. 1940; Emma Shipman Johnson (no dates) >Ester Florence w/o A. J. Johnson 14 Nov. 1863 - 15 Sept. 1899; Carroll s/o >Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson b/d 4 Nov. 1909; Frazier s/o Mr. and Mrs. A. J. >Johnson 1901-1902; Hershall, s/o Mrs. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson 3 Dec. 1899; 19 >Feb 1900 (dates don't add up here, but that's what's in the book) >Well, I didn't solve anyone's problem but maybe this well help someone. It >still puzzles me about the Caroline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I had previously listed some of the surnames that I am researching. I was asked for a Lineage Chart, which becomes far too complicated to mail or put on the Internet. However, I have done the following; maybe it will help someone and maybe you can help me. "?" means I cannot prove the connecting link but I think it is true.Virginia This is my mother's line and starts with her as #1. 1. Mary Lou LISTER - Preston SPLAWN 2. Marion Jefferson LISTER (1874-1917) 3. Emma Barnett (1877-1935) 4. Thomas Ricthie Lister (1845-1908) 5. Mary Alice clayton (1847-1908) 8. Thomas Jefferson Lister (1804-1874) 9. Sarah Johnson (1811-1889) 10. Lambert Clayton (1816-1877) 11. Sarah Myriam Bryson (1821-1850) 16. ?Adam Ritchie Lister (1780-c. 1845) 17 ?Esther Mahaffee (1780-1862) 18. John Johnson (5/5/1789-11/15/1848) this is a Mills River Johnson 19. Elizabeth strange (5/25/1797-7/29/1856) 20. George Clayton (1788-1876); this is a Brevard Clayton 21. Sarah Wetzel (1790-1888) 22. William Bryson (1779-1852) another Mills River Family 23. Sarah Jones (1785-1873) 32. ? David Lister (c. 1740-1828) 33. ? Elizabeth Ritchie (died after 1820) 34. John Mahafee (will 1823, Greenville Co., SC) 35. Phoebe___________ 36. Nobel Johnson (1759-1800) 38. Abraham Alloway Strange (c. 1746-1815) 39. Mary "Mollie" Moore (c. 1758-11/10/1842) 40. Lambert Clayton (1755-1828) 41. Sarah Davidson (1759 -1843) 42. Jacob Wetzel 43. Margaret Summy 44. William Bryson (1758-1817) 45. Susannah Bogle ( - 1811) 46. John Jones (died in the 1820's) 47. Patience ________

I can't find the original author of this message, so I'm sending my answer to the list. Virginia << > > I'm at a dead end with my Johnson line, maybe someone can help. My > gggrandfather was Andrew Jackson Johnson (b. 1864) in Henderson Co., married > 1st Flora Shipman and later after her death married Emma Shipman her sister. > Andrew Jackson Johnson I think was illegitimate; his father was Hiram King > Jones (I think) and mother was Oney Caroline Johnson (I think). I'm trying > to find any information on Oney Caroline Johnson. She had 3 son's by Hiram > King Jones, Hiram King Johnson, Andrew Jackson Johnson and C. Leander > Johnson. She later married and moved to Spartanburg SC, I think. Hiram > King Jones raised the sons. Does anyone know anything about these Johnsons. >> I don't know where you looked; but here's what I found: 1850 Census Henderson County: Dorsey, transcription of the 1850 census, pg.131, HH/615: Jones, King 35 (1815) Caroline 32 (1817) Nancy 7 (1843) Elizabeth 5 (1845) John 3 (1847) Anyone searching in the 1850 time period should search this transcription, as the Dorsey's consulted several copies of the 1850 census for Henderson County, and found a number of people not on the film issued by the Archives. I would guess that for a very small fee the Henderson County Genealogical and Historical Society would search their copy for one. 1860 Census Henderson County: Bishop transcription 1501. (Hendersonville) Jones, H. K. (m) 40 (1820) Caroline 36 (1824) Elizabeth 18 (1842) Nancy 16 (1844) George W. 14 (1846) James 12 (1848) John 10 (1850) Matilda 8 (1852) Emily 6 (1854) Robert 4 (1856) Thomas 2 (1858) William 1 (1859) I can't find Hiram King Jones in the 1880 census (I don't have a copy of the 1870 census). I do find this in 1880 Census Henderson, Bishop, pg. 14. It may or may not be the Caroline listed above with Hiram King Jones. HH: 106 Jones, Caroline 56 (1824) NC, NC, NC Catherine M. 28 (1852) daughter, laborer, same Robert T. 24 (1856) son, laborer Harriett E. 19 (1861) daughter, laborer Laura E. 17 (1863) daughter In Cawyer's Marriages of Henderson County are these: Pg. 35: James Jones, age 24, son of King Jones, and Miss Julia Pace, age 21, dau. of L. J. Pace were married 5th Nov. 1871 by James Bythe, M.G. pg. 96: M. P. Hill, age 20, of Henderson Co., to M. A. Ward, age 18 of Henderson co., married by Thomas Blackwell, J. P., 25 Dec. 1884, at home of Hiram Jones. Wit: H. K. Jones, J. H. Hill, J.J. Hill (note that there was a younger H.K. Jones and this may refer to him.) pg. 14: 2 Aug. 1860 H. K. Jones, Mary A. T. Stayton, by James Blythe, M. G. pg. 23 H. K. Jones, age 20, son James Jones, and Lucinda Henderson, age we, dau. of William Henderson, married 26 Aug. 1867 by James Blythe, M. G. pg. 40: H. K. Jones, age 24 of Henderson County to Mary Hood, age 21 of Henderson County, married 19 Dec. 1872 pg. 52; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of James Jones to Elizabeth Waters pg., 54: H. K. Jones witness at marriage of R. C.Hyder to Cathren Jones pg. 67: married at the home of H. K. Jones, D. L. Morrison and Emely Jones, 16 Jan. 1879 Pg. 112; H. K. Jones witness at marriage of Joseph Jones, age 32 to Emma pac, 22 Dec. 1887 pg. 128: H. K. Jones is listed as the J.P. performing the wedding (18 Jan. 1892) pg. 132: H. K. Jones is listed as the J. P. performing the wedding (11 June 1903) In the Henderson County Cemeteries (pub. by the Henderson County Genealogical and Historical Society): pg.280: Jones Cemetery, Upward: Hiram King Jones 1 May 1820 - 2 April 1910; there is also a marker for Hiram K. Jones, no dates Co. H. 2nd NC Mtd Inf. I couldn't find anyone nearby to identify as a wife. I couldn't find him in the 1880 census when he should have been there; also the 1900, but I don't have that one. Could he and Caroline gotten a divorce; could his wife have been named Caroline also? Could they have just lived together. Where are the Johnson boys in the 1880 census? pg. 351: Cemeteries: Oak Forest Cemetery Andrew J. Johnson 3 Aug. 1963 - 12 Feb. 1940; Emma Shipman Johnson (no dates) Ester Florence w/o A. J. Johnson 14 Nov. 1863 - 15 Sept. 1899; Carroll s/o Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson b/d 4 Nov. 1909; Frazier s/o Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson 1901-1902; Hershall, s/o Mrs. and Mrs. A. J. Johnson 3 Dec. 1899; 19 Feb 1900 (dates don't add up here, but that's what's in the book) Well, I didn't solve anyone's problem but maybe this well help someone. It still puzzles me about the Caroline.

Mapmaker3@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks, Michael, Virginia, and all, > We suspected as much. A lot of our JOHNSONs were murderers and thieves > in KY later throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth. I > don't mean to be disrespectful, but our branch of Johnsons has had a lot of > truth to face. Warts and all, they're still our ancestors. Frankly, I would be glad to meet my Jim Johnson if only I could learn something of him. I never get too caught up in judging -- I just study them. Thanks for sharing so openly. Michael

In a message dated 5/20/99 11:20:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dma12@bellsouth.net writes: << Warts and all, they're still our ancestors. Frankly, I would be glad to meet my Jim Johnson if only I could learn something of him. I never get too caught up in judging -- I just study them. Thanks for sharing so openly. >> Must be a trait - mine were moonshiners in the hills of Henderson/Polk counties. I was lucky enough to know some of my great uncles. their hair was jet black up until their death - folks said they were too mean to be grey! they kept their mountain beliefs and ways. very colorful people. leigh

Thanks, Michael, Virginia, and all, We suspected as much. A lot of our JOHNSONs were murderers and thieves in KY later throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but our branch of Johnsons has had a lot of truth to face. Particularly, for the last three generations we have turned to the Lord and education to attempt to reverse the course many of our ancestors have set for us. My grandfather, disturbed by the crimes of his brothers and others, ordered all his children to leave Appalachia and never come back except to visit. I say this with respect and not to belittle the many fine accomplishments of my Johnson ancestors. I'm sure my Carolina cousins have not performed acts any more heinous than my Kentucky ones. Now that we've cleared the air, I still wish to know who my Carolina ancestors were and where they came from. We suspect they came to NC and SC from VA or PA, like most of the other Johnson families in that area. Can I get more information about this mysterious Edward Johnson and particularly who his children were? Would someone be brave enough to tell me about the Saluda Johnsons? I won't tell you about our KY crimes if you won't tell me about the NC ones. Deal? With respect, Bruce Nichols Mapmaker3@aol.com

Many thanks for this latest Johnson information! It is appreciated and adds more to fuel to my fire for getting past a research impasse. Thank you. Michael Allison

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------696D2AEE7556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > , > 9:51) > To: > Bjhulse@aol.com, shirleyreed@earthlink.net, wspate@earthlink.net > > > This is fascination because this involves both Harrisons and Johnsons - both my > special interests. No answers however. Perhaps some clues. > I was about to disclaim Jacob Harrison as an unusual name for the line of > Harrisons with whom I am involved - but I have changed my mind. I refer to > Harrisons best identified as from the book SETTLERS BY THE LONG GREY TRAIL by > J. Houston Harrison. In that book index are numerous Jacob Harrisons, I doubt that > any of them are the one being sought but could be from that family. This book > does not follow up on many lines which left Virginia for such places as Henderson > County, NC. I do not know of a Jacob Harison in that area but we keep finding more > of our line in Buncombe and this area was Buncombe earlier. I have run ointo a > descendant of the famous James River Harrisons in this general area but not named > Harrison. > As far as Johnsons in Henderson County, there were probably representatives > from a number of lines - therre always is it seems and James is one of the most > common names in virtually all lines. Lewis is not common but it offers me no clues > as sto family line. Nor do I see much in the ones married into the family as good > clues. . Leander , John's middle name does not help me. There were a bunch of > Leander Martins in Buncombe County in the Turkey Creek area and the name carried > on in Missouri. > I am familiar with a James Johnson of early Buncombe, in that part which > became Henderson County. This family has a number of genealogists and they have > reunions in the Shaw's Creek Methodist Campgrounds every year. This was the site > of his home and he moved there on Shaw's Creek about 1790 or so. He moved from SC, > thought to be Newberry SC. He was m to Ann Cole. > In Newberry, the Coles wereBaptists and three Baptist preachers named John > Cole, Ann was a frequent name of female Coles, but this Ann was apparently there > on a vist from New York to meet and marry James Johnson, > James was from VA and a Rev. War soldier who was captured and held on a prison > hulk in Charleston Harbor, After the war was over and he was released by the > British, he went home to VA and then came to Newberry SC apparrently as a visitor > to see his Johnson relatives in Newberry. Could be my Johnsons he visited. Mine > lived next door to Coles on Bush River. James and Ann were in Newberry long enough > to have their first child, Hugh. Their Hugh was born the same year that Hugh > Johns(t)on of Newberry and Shaw's Creek of the Edisto River where he had most of > his property. Perhaps he was visiting Hugh those years. Hugh had a brother James > who also came tothe Newberry area but not from VA - from NC. I doubt that I am > closely related to Hugh but he was in the neighborhood and a wealthy man and a > Baptist. It is interesting that Hugh had all this property on Shaw's Creek of the > Edostp River, and James and Ann soom moved to Shaw's Creek in what is now > Henderson County, NC. James arrived in that area so early that he perhaps named > that creek himself, after Hugh's creek on the Edisto. > The Coles and Johnsons of Newberry on Bush River were ardent Baptists, but > James and Ann were ardent Methodists, though they could have been Baptists > earlier, since Methodism did not amount to much until after the Revolution. > As I say, this James Johnson family has a number of ggenealogists and I have > their writeup in "Buncome County Heritage," Vol I, article #408. This and other > writeups of descendants do not help me. However, there is a much more extensive > wreiteup in "Henderson County Heritage" which I have read but do not have. > Possibly thi would be a good source and also a good source to contact the > authors. I might have more clues. > Sincerrely, Cjharles W. Johnson, MD > Bjhulse@aol.com wrote: > > > Thought this might interest you. bjhulse@juno.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: [Fwd: Roll Call: John L. Johnson (1831-1867) & Family] > > Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:27:12 -0700 > > From: "Shirley B. Reed" <shirleyreed@earthlink.net> > > To: bjhulse@aol.com > > > > BETTY JO, NOTE THE JACOB HARRISON!!! Shirley> y > > > Resent-Date: > > > Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) > > > Resent-From: > > > NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Date: > > > Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:17 -0400 > > > From: > > > "William S. (Chip) Pate, Jr." <wspate@earthlink.net> > > > To: > > > NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com I forwarded this to some Harrison researchers, and one, Dr. Johnson, is also a Johnson researcher. Shirley Reed --------------696D2AEE7556 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (mail-gw3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.53]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19179; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swbell.net (ppp-207-193-27-21.snantx.swbell.net [207.193.27.21]) by mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00822; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:52:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37443D98.E46C0926@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:51:36 -0500 From: "Charles W. Johnson" <doccwj@swbell.net> Reply-To: doccwj@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SBIS-NC404 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bjhulse@aol.com, shirleyreed@earthlink.net, wspate@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Roll Call: John L. Johnson (1831-1867) & Family] References: <e225b650.24736f1c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is fascination because this involves both Harrisons and Johnsons - both my special interests. No answers however. Perhaps some clues. I was about to disclaim Jacob Harrison as an unusual name for the line of Harrisons with whom I am involved - but I have changed my mind. I refer to Harrisons best identified as from the book SETTLERS BY THE LONG GREY TRAIL by J. Houston Harrison. In that book index are numerous Jacob Harrisons, I doubt that any of them are the one being sought but could be from that family. This book does not follow up on many lines which left Virginia for such places as Henderson County, NC. I do not know of a Jacob Harison in that area but we keep finding more of our line in Buncombe and this area was Buncombe earlier. I have run ointo a descendant of the famous James River Harrisons in this general area but not named Harrison. As far as Johnsons in Henderson County, there were probably representatives from a number of lines - therre always is it seems and James is one of the most common names in virtually all lines. Lewis is not common but it offers me no clues as sto family line. Nor do I see much in the ones married into the family as good clues. . Leander , John's middle name does not help me. There were a bunch of Leander Martins in Buncombe County in the Turkey Creek area and the name carried on in Missouri. I am familiar with a James Johnson of early Buncombe, in that part which became Henderson County. This family has a number of genealogists and they have reunions in the Shaw's Creek Methodist Campgrounds every year. This was the site of his home and he moved there on Shaw's Creek about 1790 or so. He moved from SC, thought to be Newberry SC. He was m to Ann Cole. In Newberry, the Coles wereBaptists and three Baptist preachers named John Cole, Ann was a frequent name of female Coles, but this Ann was apparently there on a vist from New York to meet and marry James Johnson, James was from VA and a Rev. War soldier who was captured and held on a prison hulk in Charleston Harbor, After the war was over and he was released by the British, he went home to VA and then came to Newberry SC apparrently as a visitor to see his Johnson relatives in Newberry. Could be my Johnsons he visited. Mine lived next door to Coles on Bush River. James and Ann were in Newberry long enough to have their first child, Hugh. Their Hugh was born the same year that Hugh Johns(t)on of Newberry and Shaw's Creek of the Edisto River where he had most of his property. Perhaps he was visiting Hugh those years. Hugh had a brother James who also came tothe Newberry area but not from VA - from NC. I doubt that I am closely related to Hugh but he was in the neighborhood and a wealthy man and a Baptist. It is interesting that Hugh had all this property on Shaw's Creek of the Edostp River, and James and Ann soom moved to Shaw's Creek in what is now Henderson County, NC. James arrived in that area so early that he perhaps named that creek himself, after Hugh's creek on the Edisto. The Coles and Johnsons of Newberry on Bush River were ardent Baptists, but James and Ann were ardent Methodists, though they could have been Baptists earlier, since Methodism did not amount to much until after the Revolution. As I say, this James Johnson family has a number of ggenealogists and I have their writeup in "Buncome County Heritage," Vol I, article #408. This and other writeups of descendants do not help me. However, there is a much more extensive wreiteup in "Henderson County Heritage" which I have read but do not have. Possibly thi would be a good source and also a good source to contact the authors. I might have more clues. Sincerrely, Cjharles W. Johnson, MD Bjhulse@aol.com wrote: > Thought this might interest you. bjhulse@juno.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [Fwd: Roll Call: John L. Johnson (1831-1867) & Family] > Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:27:12 -0700 > From: "Shirley B. Reed" <shirleyreed@earthlink.net> > To: bjhulse@aol.com > > BETTY JO, NOTE THE JACOB HARRISON!!! Shirley> y > > Resent-Date: > > Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Resent-From: > > NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: > > Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:17 -0400 > > From: > > "William S. (Chip) Pate, Jr." <wspate@earthlink.net> > > To: > > NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Looking for any information on my gg grandparents ... > > > > John L. JOHNSON (10 May 1831 - 1 Apr 1867) > > and his wife > > Narcissa Carver GARREN (20 Jun 1832 - 12 Jun 1896) > > married 27 Jun 1855 in Henderson County. > > > > In particular ... > > > > (1) John L. Johnson's burial place. (Possibly unmarked grave at > > Mud Creek Baptist Church or at Friendship Baptist just over the > > line in Polk County?) > > > > (2) John L. Johnson's Confederate service. (He appears NOT to be > > the John Johnson in Co. G, 56th Regiment, NC Troops, nor the > > John Johnson in Co. B, 64th Regiment, NC Troops. He COULD be > > a John Johnson who served in John Fitgerald's Co., 64th Regiment, > > NC Troops, which became Co. N of the 64th.) > > > > (3) Information on and contact with descendants through their children, > > all girls: > > * Ruemma Gardenia (m. Jacob Harrison) > > * Martha Elizabeth (m. Leroy Taylor Williams and John Sullins Banning) > > * Lucy Caroline (m. James Nelson Bowen) > > * Virginia Narcissa (m. Daniel Webster McCall). > > I descend through the youngest daughter, Hazzalie. > > > > (4) John's middle name. One person lists it as Leander, but sources > > were not available. > > > > Also, information on John's family and parents' ancestry. Parents were > > Lewis JOHNSON (1798-1882) and Martha HOLCOMBE (1804-1882), and siblings > > were: Harvey C. JOHNSON (1821-, m. Shirley Ellen KING, George Wesley > > JOHNSON (1824-1900, m. Rebecca Ann BLOCKER, Eliza J. JOHNSON (1828-1832), > > John L. JOHNSON (see above), James Harper JOHNSON (1834-1917, m. Mary E. > > FOWLER), and Martha Ann Caroline JOHNSON (1837-1882, m. Matthew H. TAYLOR). > > > > Thanks, > > Chip > > -------------------- > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) > by sparrow.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18432 > for <shirleyreed@earthlink.net>; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03147; > Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:14 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <l03110727b3662c14d1eb@[38.30.10.172]> > In-Reply-To: <199905171857.LAA12285@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:17 -0400 > Old-To: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > From: "William S. (Chip) Pate, Jr." <wspate@earthlink.net> > Subject: Roll Call: John L. Johnson (1831-1867) & Family > Resent-Message-ID: <8WhjUC.A.Bx.Z_HQ3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > To: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/27 > X-Loop: NCHENDER-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: NCHENDER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Looking for any information on my gg grandparents ... > > John L. JOHNSON (10 May 1831 - 1 Apr 1867) > and his wife > Narcissa Carver GARREN (20 Jun 1832 - 12 Jun 1896) > married 27 Jun 1855 in Henderson County. > > In particular ... > > (1) John L. Johnson's burial place. (Possibly unmarked grave at > Mud Creek Baptist Church or at Friendship Baptist just over the > line in Polk County?) > > (2) John L. Johnson's Confederate service. (He appears NOT to be > the John Johnson in Co. G, 56th Regiment, NC Troops, nor the > John Johnson in Co. B, 64th Regiment, NC Troops. He COULD be > a John Johnson who served in John Fitgerald's Co., 64th Regiment, > NC Troops, which became Co. N of the 64th.) > > (3) Information on and contact with descendants through their children, > all girls: > * Ruemma Gardenia (m. Jacob Harrison) > * Martha Elizabeth (m. Leroy Taylor Williams and John Sullins Banning) > * Lucy Caroline (m. James Nelson Bowen) > * Virginia Narcissa (m. Daniel Webster McCall). > I descend through the youngest daughter, Hazzalie. > > (4) John's middle name. One person lists it as Leander, but sources > were not available. > > Also, information on John's family and parents' ancestry. Parents were > Lewis JOHNSON (1798-1882) and Martha HOLCOMBE (1804-1882), and siblings > were: Harvey C. JOHNSON (1821-, m. Shirley Ellen KING, George Wesley > JOHNSON (1824-1900, m. Rebecca Ann BLOCKER, Eliza J. JOHNSON (1828-1832), > John L. JOHNSON (see above), James Harper JOHNSON (1834-1917, m. Mary E. > FOWLER), and Martha Ann Caroline JOHNSON (1837-1882, m. Matthew H. TAYLOR). > > Thanks, > Chip > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > William S. (Chip) Pate, Jr., Ph.D. > PATE & ASSOCIATES MARKETING AND PUBLIC RELATIONS > > PO Box 1414 Marketing strategy & communications > Pittsboro, NC 27312 Public relations & editorial services > chip@pateandassociates.com (919) 542-5298 (phone) > http://www.pateandassociates.com Member, AMA & PRSA > ___________________________________________________________________ --------------696D2AEE7556--

Susan & Marty wrote: > > I'm at a dead end with my Johnson line, maybe someone can help. My > gggrandfather was Andrew Jackson Johnson (b. 1864) in Henderson Co., married > 1st Flora Shipman and later after her death married Emma Shipman her sister. > Andrew Jackson Johnson I think was illegitimate; his father was Hiram King > Jones (I think) and mother was Oney Caroline Johnson (I think). I'm trying > to find any information on Oney Caroline Johnson. She had 3 son's by Hiram > King Jones, Hiram King Johnson, Andrew Jackson Johnson and C. Leander > Johnson. She later married and moved to Spartanburg SC, I think. Hiram > King Jones raised the sons. Does anyone know anything about these Johnsons. > Susan Johnson I doubt if I can be of any help because I'm in the same perplexing pickle, but we can stay in touch for posible new developments. Just for the record, can you pinpoint a specific area of the county in which your Johnsons resided? Michael Allison

I'm at a dead end with my Johnson line, maybe someone can help. My gggrandfather was Andrew Jackson Johnson (b. 1864) in Henderson Co., married 1st Flora Shipman and later after her death married Emma Shipman her sister. Andrew Jackson Johnson I think was illegitimate; his father was Hiram King Jones (I think) and mother was Oney Caroline Johnson (I think). I'm trying to find any information on Oney Caroline Johnson. She had 3 son's by Hiram King Jones, Hiram King Johnson, Andrew Jackson Johnson and C. Leander Johnson. She later married and moved to Spartanburg SC, I think. Hiram King Jones raised the sons. Does anyone know anything about these Johnsons. Susan Johnson

Mapmaker3@aol.com wrote: > > Virginia, Michael, and others, > Thank you for all the information. It helps considerably. It appears we > will have to continue to wonder about who the Edward Johnson and the James > Johnson Sr. and Jr. form the 1790 census are to Noble and his two sons, James > and Noble. Edward reappears in the 1800 census, too, as an older man like > Noble. Also in that 1800 census of Buncombe Co. are the families of Nathaniel > and Jacob Johnson Sr. also headed by older men. Does anybody know who these > Johnsons are? They all lived near each other. Also, please tell me more about > the Saluda Johnsons. Oh, if only I knew more to tell about the Saluda Johnsons! I'll be disowned for putting this out on a list, but here goes anyway. You see, something terrible happened with that Johnson family. And no one will tell me what! My grandmother was Julia Anna Johnson, born 1882 at Saluda. Sometime just after she was born, her mother, Mary, divorced James (Jim) Johnson. She left and moved to Asheville. She is said to have never spoken his name again. I do know that he went to prison for something -- got that while eavesdropping! I'm dead cetain that some names were changed to hide whatever it is they all wanted hidden. My elderly father knew but wouldn't tell me. He passed away in January without saying a word. And his sister is locked tight as a vault on the subject as well. Whatever it was it must've been a doozy! And whatever they did to hide it must've worked, along with keeping identies confused. Such intrigue! My father did tell me just before he died that his grandfather James Johnson was not originally from Saluda but from western Henderson County, between Brevard and Hendersonville. I asked if that might be the Shaw's Creek area and he said "somewhere in those parts". But when I presented this to Virginia in hopes that this could be her Shaw's Creek Johnsons, she had enough knoweldge to say "no". Something is odd about it all, but there's never been enough time to pursue all of these Johnsons. Michael Allison Michael Allison

Virginia, Michael, and others, Thank you for all the information. It helps considerably. It appears we will have to continue to wonder about who the Edward Johnson and the James Johnson Sr. and Jr. form the 1790 census are to Noble and his two sons, James and Noble. Edward reappears in the 1800 census, too, as an older man like Noble. Also in that 1800 census of Buncombe Co. are the families of Nathaniel and Jacob Johnson Sr. also headed by older men. Does anybody know who these Johnsons are? They all lived near each other. Also, please tell me more about the Saluda Johnsons.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEA165.C4F964C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@jps.net> To: bettye@jps.net <bettye@jps.net> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >The original message was received at Tue, 18 May 1999 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) >from 209-142-59-99.stk.jps.net [209.142.59.99] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ><NCHENDR@rootsweb.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to bl-3.rootsweb.com.: >>>> RCPT To:<NCHENDR@rootsweb.com> ><<< 550 <NCHENDR@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >550 <NCHENDR@rootsweb.com>... User unknown > ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEA165.C4F964C0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0043_01BEA165.C4F964C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0043_01BEA165.C4F964C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp5.jps.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; 209-142-59-99.stk.jps.net Arrival-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; NCHENDR@rootsweb.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; bl-3.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <NCHENDR@rootsweb.com>... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) ------=_NextPart_001_0043_01BEA165.C4F964C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: SURNAMES Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <bettye@jps.net> Received: from bettye (209-142-59-99.stk.jps.net [209.142.59.99]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05454 for <NCHENDR@rootsweb.com>; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003401bea19b$c688a7c0$b53419d0@bettye> Reply-To: "Bettye Heinrich" <bettye@jps.net> From: "Bettye Heinrich" <bettye@jps.net> To: <NCHENDR@rootsweb.com> Subject: SURNAMES Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:02:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 My ggggf was Ezekiel Waldrop. He died abt 1823 and his heirs sold his property in Henderson Co NC in 1828. Unfortunately, his wife had died before him so we do not know her name. I would like contact with anyone that has data on his children. He may have attended the Crab Creek Baptist Church. TABITHA Waldrop bc 1795 m. Thomas ADAMS - believe they may have resided in Henderson CO NC then crossed over the mts to Greene CO TN. PERMILLA Waldrop m. unk SHORT no record other than I have found a Permilla Short that m. Andrew/ Alexander McFarland in Greene CO TN. MARY Waldrop m. Darius/Darcis YOUNG. They were definitely in Greene CO TN. NANCY Waldrop m. Thomas PRICE. They raised a family in Henderson CO NC yet I have failed to find data on them other than a census. REBECCA Waldrop m. Joseph Hardin KUYKENDALL They lived in Habersham CO GA then returned to Henderson CO NC. I have some data on them but would like more. Thanks, Bettye ------=_NextPart_001_0043_01BEA165.C4F964C0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BEA165.C4F964C0--

A book containing the Henderson County "Loose" estates is now available. This book is an index of the 119 boxes of Henderson County Estates in the Archives in Raleigh and conains 121 pages of estates. "Loose" estates are estates that were taken out of the custody of the county for one reason or another. They are not found in county records and have not been microfilmed. The "loose" estates cover the period from 1838-1969. For a listing of other county records available please see the following: <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/9595/> NEWLY ADDITIONS TO THIS LIST INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING: LINCOLN COUNTY ESTATES--1779-1925--44 Pages--$8.50 SURRY COUNTY ESTATES--1771-1943--33 Pages--$6.50 WAKE COUNTY ESTATES--1771-1952, 1962-1968--109 Pages--$16.00

A new list for members and descendants of the Buncombe/Henderson/Transylvania pioneer HEFNER family and close kin was just founded last night. This is the family which came into Old Buncombe County (area that is now Transylvania County near Brevard) in ca. 1802 from Lincoln County. Descendants still reside in Henderson County today. This is an "on-line family association" allowing us to work closely together on family history which includes the WETZEL and SUMMEY families as well (ancestors of this line of Hefners). Wylene Alston is Texas is serving the family as our list manager. A message from Wylene: "LOOKING FOR ALL HEFNER COUSINS ON LINE" If you are working on those HEFNERS who came to OLD BUNCOMBE CO., NC about 1802-3, to what is now TRANSYLVANIA CO., NC. You are invited to join us online. We plan on working as a team to solve the mysteries of our HEFNERS and related surnames, (such SUMMEY, WETZEL, ALLISON, TRAMMELL, TINSLEY etc.) To join list, EMAIL <WomannTx@aol.> or <WyleneL@aol.com.> and ask to be added to the list. list manager, Wylene Alston