Dear Tim, Here is another strange tie. The YOUNG PACE who moved to Mecklenburg Co., NC, in late 1850's married a NANCY WALLS there in January 1858; she may have died in 1888 of cancer of the womb as there is a NANCY PACE in a Charlotte, NC, cemetery that I think is the same one. She appears to be by herself in a poorer section, and I suspect that her husband had died before her, but I don't know where he is buried. I got the estate papers for Young Pace from 1898 (says he died about 10 years earlier), and names his children, including a John in Phifersville (I've never been able to locate it), Abner in Mecklenburg (b. around 1858-d.1900), Augustus in Ft. Mill, SC, and two girls Fannie (?) and Mary. I have tried to locate researchers of Augustus Pace in SC, but no luck. In NC census reports, there is a David Pace in both Wake Co (Buffaloe District 421). and Guilford Co.(147) in 1830. The David Pace family in the Guilford 1830 census shows himself to be 40-50; 2 sons under 5; one son 5-10; his wife is age 30-40; one girl under age 5; one girl 5-10; one girl 10-15. These children's ages might allow one of the boys (age 5-10) to be my ABNER PACE, but I can't confirm it. In 1840 the David Pace in Wake Co. is still there (135), but the one in Guilford has disappeared--died/deserted? The one in Wake Co. (Buffaloe District 647 154) is still there in 1850. By 1870 a David Pace is in Wayne Co NC (Nahunta Twp160); another DP in Meck Co (4 W. Charlotte 099); and another in Henderson Co (GreenRiver Twp 270). I note that possible relatives (also apprenticed orphans) Needham and Young Pace were gone from Guilford shortly before 1860 and turned up in Meck. Co. for the 1870 census, along with ZILTHA /ZELPHA PACE, born around 1798. She therefore could not be the ZILTHA WOODARD who married JOSEPH PACE in Chowan, NC, in 1788. She had an "idiotic" son named David, however, who went with her to live with Needham and Young Pace in Mecklenburg. It has crossed my mind that she might be a PACE by birth instead of by marriage, and thus could be an aunt of Needham and Young instead of their mother. In March 1810 a David Pace had married a Kitty Wall in Wake Co., bondsman Nelson Wall. I tried the Wake Mailing list for information and no one seems to know anything about this couple (either of them). I think we might have two different David Pace's here, one perhaps whose father was James Pace and the other possibly the son of William Pace of Guilford Co., NC. Either that, or David Pace certainly got around, fast. Your message says that JAMES PACE SR. was born in Edgecombe, Prince George Co., VA. Is this Edgecombe VA? You also said that he died in Prince George Co., VA, but is buried in Edgecombe Co., NC. I am confused about where he was born. I wonder if the Wall or Walls name spelling has any significance. Betty Pace On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:45:05 -0400 Tim Walls <twwalls@prodigy.net> writes: >This may be an odd coincidence, but here is what I have on PACE. I >believe Willis WALL, John WALL, and Arthur WALL all had later >connections to Randolph County through Samuel WALL, who died there in >1823. Maybe these PACEs are connected to Guilford County as well? > >David PACE m. Kitty WALL 1810 >Nancy PACE m. Willis WALL 7 Dec 1798. >Aggy PACE m. John WALL 15 Jan 1799. >Sally PACE m. Arthur WALL 13 May 1803. >All married in Wake County, NC > >Kitty WALL, b. c1783 Wake Co., NC, d. c1862, daughter of Burwell WALL >and Betsey _____?, m. 1810 to David PACE, b. c1782 Wake Co., NC, d. >Aug >1859. > >David PACE's parents were James PACE and ______? He had an younger >brother named James PACE, born before 1784. James PACE Sr.'s parents >were George PACE and Obedience WORSHAM. James PACE Sr. was born >Edgecombe, Prince George Co., VA. and died 21 Feb 1744 Prince George >Co., VA; buried 25 Feb 1790 Edgecombe Co., NC. > >Tim Walls - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: [NCGUILFO] PACES OF GUILFORD CO., NC >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:38:33 +0000 >From: "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com> >To: NCGUILFO-L@rootsweb.com > >In an effort to locate the parents of my Abner Pace (orphaned and >apprenticed at age 16 in Guilford Co., NC in 1837), we hired a >professional genealogist in Guilford Co., NC. This is what she >reports>for the Guilford census Paces: > 1800 - JOSEPH PACE - age probably over 45, and 3 sons born >between 1774 and 1784. > 1810 - no PACEs in Guilford Co. NC > 1815 Tax List - no PACEs shown in Guilford > 1820 WILLIAM PACE, age 45+ (b.abt 1775). In this household >there are 3 sons, ages 26-25 (b.1794-1804) and 2 sons ages 0-9 >(b.1810-1820). Also 5 young daughters. Census is alphabetical so >cannot>know the neighbors. William Pace is gone by 1830. > 1830 PATSY PACE - age 50-59 (perhaps wife of above William >Pace). Now shows 5 young females (probably the same females as the 5 >in>1820 home of William Pace) There are younger male and females in this >1830 census (younger than 4) and Patsy is probably too old to be their >mother. Probably one or two of the females in the 20-29 age bracket >are>the mothers of these young children. > 1830 DAVID PACE - age 40-49 (b.1780-1790) - one son age 5-9 >(1820-1825) and 2 other sons ages 0-4 (b.1820-1825) and 3 young >daughters. Neighbors are Armfields. David Pace (b.1780-1790) is gone >by>1840. The children would fit for my Abner Pace (b. 1821-22) > 1830 ABSALOM PACE - age 40-49 (1780-1790) - one son age 0-4 >(1825-1830) and one young daughter. Neighbors also Armfields in >northwest Guilford Co., namely Oak Ridge Township, adjacent to >Rockingham>Co. NC Absalom Pace is gone by 1840. > >The conclusion drawn by the Guilford genealogist was that probably >William, Absalom, and David Pace were the sons of Joseph Pace >household>in 1800. > > 1840 - no Paces shown in Guilford Co., NC > 1850 - ZILTHA/ZELPHA PACE - age 50 (b.1800 in Chatham Co.) >living>with her "idiotic" son DAVID PACE, age 16 (b.1834). This is in the >Southern Div. of Guilford Co., NC. Next door to Ziltha/Zelpha Pace is >Isaac Armfield (cabinet maker) and his apprentice YOUNG PACE, age 15 >(b.1835). This Young Pace, plus his apparent brother Needham Pace, >will>take Ziltha/Zelpha Pace and her son David with them to Mecklenburg >Co.,>NC by 1860, and she lives with Young Pace there. > >Does anyone know the names of the children of DAVID PACE (B.1780-1790) >from the 1830 census? I think it is likely that his wife was >Zeltha/Ziltha (perhaps Sarah?) Pace, and that these were the parents >of>my ABNER PACE (b.1821-22). He must have maintained contact with Young >Pace in Mecklenburg, because Young Pace had a son named Abner. >Probably>Young Pace and my Abner Pace were brothers, or at least cousins. >Young Pace went to Mecklenburg Co. NC after his apprentice bond was over, >and>my Abner Pace married Julia Ann Reed and moved to Rowan Co., NC. > >Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.