>From another list. Might be worth a try. Betty Pace --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Subject:] Picture of Civil War Ancestor: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html " ... This site was created by the U.S. Army Military History Institute and it is a searchable database of their Special Collections. Using this database you can see if a photograph exists of your Civil War ancestor. Just enter the surname you're searching and the results page will give any photos of any soldier with that surname, along with (if known) his regiment. Next, you can send an e-mail with the photo ID's that you're interested in. The Army will then send you (for free) a photocopy of the picture, along with instructions on ordering a duplicate photo. An 8x10 photo costs $10.00. No more then ten photos will be produced for any one customer per year." Best regards, PK Murphy Toronto, Ontario, Canada ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://www.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - siriuspace@aol.com --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I stand corrected concerning my previous message (10/24/99) in which I made an mistaken assumption that the Alexander MARTIN listed in the 1850 census, Guilford Co., Northern Div., was the first Governor of the State of North Carolina. He died 2 Nov 1807 at "Danbury", his plantation on Jacobs Creek in North Rockingham County, North Carolina. One of the subscribers was quick to point out this fact to me (and very diplomatically, I might add). Many thanks. This still leaves me with the profound question "Who was the Alexander Martin listed in that 1850 census?" Again, if anyone subscribing to this excellent web page has any information about this Martin family and/or a possible connection to the Howard Ozment family, please respond. Best regards, Dwight W. Ozment 3:25 P.M. EDT Mon. 10/25/99

I am trying to determine the parents of Elizabeth L. MARTIN (b. 22 Sep 1829,NC ; d. 1911, Guilford Co.NC, buried Buffalo Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Greensboro, NC). Married 29 Dec 1853, Guilford Co.,NC to Nathaniel G. OZMENT (b. 23 Feb 1817, Guilford Co., NC; d. 22 Mar 1883, Guilford Co., NC, buried Buffalo Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Greensboro, NC). The 1850 census, Northern Dist., Guilford Co., NC, lists Nathaniel OZMENT (single) living with parents Howard and Elizabeth (LeCompte) OZMENT on their farm located adjacent to Alexander MARTIN, a well-known citizen in the county at that time and who was later Governor of the State of North Caroline, if I'm not mistaken. Will anyone descended from this Alexander MARTIN and having his family genealogy, please check to see if there is possible connection to my Elizabeth MARTIN. Reply to me by direct e-mail. I will then provide my postal mailing address for further private correspondance. Also, the 1870 and 1880 censuses, Morehead Twnsp.,Guilford Co., NC, list a female ("sister-in-law" of Nathaniel OZMENT, "sister" of his wife Elizabeth) named "Francis" (sic) MARTIN (b.1836-1838, NC) living in same household with Nathaniel and Elizabeth (Martin) OZMENT. Nothing more known about "Francis". The 1900 census, Morehead Twnsp., Guilford County, lists Elizabeth L.OZMENT, "Wid.", living alone (dwelling 200). Listed as place of birth for her and mother and father --North Carolina. If anyone has ANY information about these individuals or families, please contact me at my personal e-mail address. Any help will be appreciated as I am still trying to find this very important connection in my research. Also, does anyone know where I can locate a copy of the book entitled THE FIRST GUILFORD COURTHOUSE AND ADJACENT LAND, authored by Raleigh C. Taylor (January 12, 1953) ? Dwight W. Ozment, Richmond, VA dwozment@worldnet.att.net 6:10 P.M. EDT Sun. 10/24/99

Does anyone know the connection of Mary Ann WALL to the FARLOW line? Her daughter was named Nannie E. FARLOW, born Jan 1, 1859. The source reads as follows (page 616, Vol 1, Greensboro Monthly Meeting) David Farlow, s. John & Alice (Stalker), b. 2-18-1854; d. 1- 1- 1918. (?) Nannie E. Farlow, dt. Mary Ann Wall, b. 1- 1- 1859. married 12- 9-1875. Ch: Honolulu b. 3-25-1893. David Cary " 5- 7-1897. In the Minutes and Marriages section of Greensboro MM, the following is reported: 1916,10, 4. David & w, Nancy, & youngest ch, Honolula & David C., rocf Marlboro MM. 1917,10, 4. David's death rpd. (rpd. = reported) 1922, 6, 7. Nannie E.'s death rpd. Was there a widow named Mary Ann FARLOW who married 2nd into the WALL line?

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <ERWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: kmonticue@mail-dnvr.uswest.net Received: (qmail 98647 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 1999 01:47:53 -0000 Received: from mail8.uswest.net (204.147.80.26) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 01:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20237 invoked by alias); 15 Oct 1999 02:42:17 -0000 Delivered-To: kmonticue@uswest.net Received: (qmail 20210 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1999 02:42:16 -0000 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by mail8.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 02:42:15 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09752; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Suttafran@aol.com Message-ID: <0.24b8696e.2537ef80@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:46:24 EDT Subject: Check out RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project Old-To: DUTCHER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <XJ7LzB.A.oXC.tWpB4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/199 X-Loop: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ERWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Folks, I received this on another family list and thought you would like to know about it, especially if you don't already have a web page: ~~~~~~~~ You can upload your family file to RootsWeb for free! And, boy, is it great! I just uploaded and it only took a few minutes. You have the option to include "more about" notes or not, you can include your sources or not, you can "clean" the info on your living folks---many options available. First, you need to set up an account, so you can upload your file, and later, to edit it (which I just did, also). Then, send it up! So easy and so fast. It took HOURS to send it to the Family Tree Maker site. Just minutes at RootsWeb, and it's much more complete. Also, you can add "post-ems" to anyone's data, and you can be notified when someone adds a post-em to yours, so that you can connect. This is brand new, just got started yesterday, I think. There may be a few bugs yet, but there's a message board where the fellow taking care of the GEDs is posting responses to the suggestions. And he is fast. Here's the URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ~~~~~~~~~ Even if you don't upload your info, it is a nice search site. As more gedcoms are submitted, there will be more data to search. TTYL, Fran Daniels Suttafran@aol.com http://members.aol.com/sandyinbc/sandra.htm So many ancestors...so little time! --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84--

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Since I had a few queries about my forwarding this post, I decided to send the follow-up message from the writer. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jlktrees@aol.com> To: <OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: [OHBELMON-L] German burial policies > First an apology. I type very fast and typed my name wrong, and then used > auto spell check and since I also don't see as well as I used to I > accidentally let my letter go out under the name of Julienne. Wrong it is > Jerilyn Sorry > > I have been very fortunate these past 19-15 years to travel a lot of the > world and as I am very interested in the people and their customs I see more > than just scenery. I do do the scenery bits, but love the old churches, > buildings, museums. I am astounded at how many poor serfs must have died > building the tall churches of Europe. > > This turned out to be very long so if you want - just delete me and go on. > > Several questions came my way about the cemetery policies in Europe. > > 1. I do not know if they dig the bones up or if they are gone at the end of > the time but will find out. Probably depends on the amount of time you > rented your space. > 2. I am assuming the rental time starts at the time you purchase the lot. > Hadn't really given it any thought before, but that would make sense. I am > sure that if the family keeps renting the space they just go on top of each > other. > 3. One answer said that in England they consider embalming barbaric so they > probably don't do it. Particularly today as very environment conscious and > that would be putting chemicals in the soil. > 4. Other answers brought out the way of the Indians who built pyres and > burned their ancestors. Some Indian Tribes put them on the platform in the > air and left them. When an Eskimo outlived their usefulness to the > community, they just went into the wilderness to die. > 5 One answer talked about being in Dublin where they were buried in the dry > catacomb and have turned all leatherly. These were the priests and Nuns. I > have seen the following in a church in Germany and one in Switzerland for the > burial of Saints. They are buried in glass coffins which are kept at the > front of the church. They are in their good clothes and are leaned as if on > their side and using one arm to hold their head up. This is really odd. The > clothes are rotting, but the bones are still OK. I had seen this years ago, > but couldn't remember where and we found it again. These were both in > Benedictine Monasteries, but I am sure that is not exclusive to them. > > Will continue with some of our experiences. You have to understand that I > have no fear of cemeteries nor have I ever had. In the small towns you visit > them often and never forget them on Memorial Day. Our family probably put > flowers on 3/4 of the graves every year. My mother, age 82, is still doing > it. If we knew the families were too far away or no descendants left to > remember the older ones, my mother takes care of it. Plants peonies, iris, > etc. Out in western Kansas we don't have as much rain as the East so can't > do a lot, but what she can. > > When I first started this obsession (one of love but an obsession anyway), I > used to visit many cemeteries and when the children were young, they were all > given the names I needed and on vacations which I carefully scheduled to > travel through areas that I needed information from, the four would fan out > and yell when they found a name I needed. It is a joke in the family now. > > I have always had a fascination with the topic as well as medieval history > and thus types of torture used by our ancestors. A large paper in high > school convinced me that man was not always nice to another man. I am such a > softy I can't kill a bug and that is probably why my fascination. Anyway, > that might be why I do visit some of the places I do. Now for the travels. > > In Germany there is not a funeral in a church. They have chapels, I guess > you call them that, in each cemetery and it is from there the service is > held. No following a hearse, etc. I don't know where that came from. They > are buried very soon and as I said in a white shroud. > > Czechoslovakia was about the same except that I found so many tombstones that > had pictures of the deceased on them. I have also seen this at the Czech > cemeteries in this country. I find this really great. A lot of the > cemeteries in Czechoslovakia had a big stone and were usually covered totally > with a large granite slab. Then there were sitting on the slab several small > urn types for those who were cremated - again with pictures. We were hunting > my husbands families roots at the time and was amazing to find the town they > came from that had 9 houses in the 1870's still has 9 houses. As I > understand it, they are quite dull on the outside but very nice on the inside > - this was to prevent things being taken away during the Communist Regime. > When we found his family tombstone it was labeled the family of KOSKAN. Now > there were also KOSTKAN's in the same cemetery. Seems some were Catholic and > some were Protestant -not sure which, but think KOSKAN were the Protestants. > Still working on that. > > In Rome we took a tour of the Catacombs. I saw not a single bone so asked > how can this be the Catacombs with no bones. This was my answer. Many ha > been robbed through the years and what was left was not on the tour any more > as they had too many people feint. Consequently I got another tour to see > how it was done. > > Paris- When Napoleon rebuilt the city he had to dig up many many cemeteries. > He left a beautiful city. At least he didn't build over them. All the bones > from each cemetery was kept together and put in the Catacombs under the city > and each labeled as to what cemetery they came from and years of use and > anything else they might know. How they arranged the bones you can read in > the Czech section of this dissertation - guess I had better call it that. > > The last time I was in Paris I decided to tour the Catacombs. Husband was in > meetings all day so I went to the entrance, stood in line (yes it is a big > tourist attraction) and paid my money and went down. I am expecting a short > little trip. Three hours later I came up far away. They wind all over under > the city and I have no idea where I was. Many, many of the tunnels are > closed off. Thank God, you would never get back. During World War II, the > French Resistance used the Catacombs for their headquarters with no problems. > The Germans and others were afraid to go down there in the dark with all the > bones.(So they say) > > In Prague we visited a very very old Jewish cemetery. Here they also were > burying one on top of the other. What was interesting is that when they dig > for the next person they remove the headstone, bury the new person, put the > old headstone back on and add a new headstone. Some of the graves had 7 or 8 > headstones. As you know Judaism does not allow cremation-at least that is > what I understand. > > Now the next description does get macabre so if you have a weak stomach - > quit reading. > > I said I would get back to the bone churches. Originally, the bones were all > dug up and piled in the crypts of the churches to make way for new graves. A > lot of these were the result of the Plague many many years ago. At the one I > visited, someone had taken the time to make all sorts of church objects out > of the bones. To say it was weird is putting it mildly. One Monstrance > (forgot how to spell it) was made using every bone in the human body. The > chandelier was made from bones. You would have to have seen it to believe > it. No pictures, but I bought postcards. What bones were left were piled > very nearly in arches along the sides. Large leg bones all stacked neatly > like logs with the skulls sitting on top and all the rest of the extra bones > piled behind.. As I said before I know of two Czechoslovakia and one in > Italy but there may be more. > > One more part of the world and I will quit. As you know the Orient has a bad > population problem and woman are not allowed to choose how many children they > can have in many of the countries. I didn't get into the burial in China > other than the Emperors, but in Japan we visited the oddest garden - very > sad. There was a shrine covered with probably 5 to 6 hundred small dolls (10 > to 15 inches tall). Each doll represented a dead baby, either from abortion > or still birth. The numbers were overwhelming and then we were told that > they only stay one month and are replaced. This was only for this area of > Japan. How sad, but their way of remembering their lost ones. > > Sorry to end on such a sad note. Travel is fun and like one of the > responders to my first missive, it is through the customs of the people and > meeting those of other countries that we can perhaps make this a more > peaceful country. I have found that wherever I go, people have the same > wants for their families. Their customs are different and they go at it a > different way, but each wants what is best for their children and none want > war or killing. This drive for power causes such disorder in life. We > hosted exchange students for 15 years and what a blessing. How can you go to > war when you have friends in the country you are supposed to be mad at? > > OK back to chasing the elusive ancestor. Hope you enjoyed the discourse and > I am ready to hit the court houses again. > > Jerilyn Koskan > Orland Park, Illinois

Since I had a few queries about my forwarding this post, I decided to send the follow-up message from the writer. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jlktrees@aol.com> To: <OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: [OHBELMON-L] German burial policies > First an apology. I type very fast and typed my name wrong, and then used > auto spell check and since I also don't see as well as I used to I > accidentally let my letter go out under the name of Julienne. Wrong it is > Jerilyn Sorry > > I have been very fortunate these past 19-15 years to travel a lot of the > world and as I am very interested in the people and their customs I see more > than just scenery. I do do the scenery bits, but love the old churches, > buildings, museums. I am astounded at how many poor serfs must have died > building the tall churches of Europe. > > This turned out to be very long so if you want - just delete me and go on. > > Several questions came my way about the cemetery policies in Europe. > > 1. I do not know if they dig the bones up or if they are gone at the end of > the time but will find out. Probably depends on the amount of time you > rented your space. > 2. I am assuming the rental time starts at the time you purchase the lot. > Hadn't really given it any thought before, but that would make sense. I am > sure that if the family keeps renting the space they just go on top of each > other. > 3. One answer said that in England they consider embalming barbaric so they > probably don't do it. Particularly today as very environment conscious and > that would be putting chemicals in the soil. > 4. Other answers brought out the way of the Indians who built pyres and > burned their ancestors. Some Indian Tribes put them on the platform in the > air and left them. When an Eskimo outlived their usefulness to the > community, they just went into the wilderness to die. > 5 One answer talked about being in Dublin where they were buried in the dry > catacomb and have turned all leatherly. These were the priests and Nuns. I > have seen the following in a church in Germany and one in Switzerland for the > burial of Saints. They are buried in glass coffins which are kept at the > front of the church. They are in their good clothes and are leaned as if on > their side and using one arm to hold their head up. This is really odd. The > clothes are rotting, but the bones are still OK. I had seen this years ago, > but couldn't remember where and we found it again. These were both in > Benedictine Monasteries, but I am sure that is not exclusive to them. > > Will continue with some of our experiences. You have to understand that I > have no fear of cemeteries nor have I ever had. In the small towns you visit > them often and never forget them on Memorial Day. Our family probably put > flowers on 3/4 of the graves every year. My mother, age 82, is still doing > it. If we knew the families were too far away or no descendants left to > remember the older ones, my mother takes care of it. Plants peonies, iris, > etc. Out in western Kansas we don't have as much rain as the East so can't > do a lot, but what she can. > > When I first started this obsession (one of love but an obsession anyway), I > used to visit many cemeteries and when the children were young, they were all > given the names I needed and on vacations which I carefully scheduled to > travel through areas that I needed information from, the four would fan out > and yell when they found a name I needed. It is a joke in the family now. > > I have always had a fascination with the topic as well as medieval history > and thus types of torture used by our ancestors. A large paper in high > school convinced me that man was not always nice to another man. I am such a > softy I can't kill a bug and that is probably why my fascination. Anyway, > that might be why I do visit some of the places I do. Now for the travels. > > In Germany there is not a funeral in a church. They have chapels, I guess > you call them that, in each cemetery and it is from there the service is > held. No following a hearse, etc. I don't know where that came from. They > are buried very soon and as I said in a white shroud. > > Czechoslovakia was about the same except that I found so many tombstones that > had pictures of the deceased on them. I have also seen this at the Czech > cemeteries in this country. I find this really great. A lot of the > cemeteries in Czechoslovakia had a big stone and were usually covered totally > with a large granite slab. Then there were sitting on the slab several small > urn types for those who were cremated - again with pictures. We were hunting > my husbands families roots at the time and was amazing to find the town they > came from that had 9 houses in the 1870's still has 9 houses. As I > understand it, they are quite dull on the outside but very nice on the inside > - this was to prevent things being taken away during the Communist Regime. > When we found his family tombstone it was labeled the family of KOSKAN. Now > there were also KOSTKAN's in the same cemetery. Seems some were Catholic and > some were Protestant -not sure which, but think KOSKAN were the Protestants. > Still working on that. > > In Rome we took a tour of the Catacombs. I saw not a single bone so asked > how can this be the Catacombs with no bones. This was my answer. Many ha > been robbed through the years and what was left was not on the tour any more > as they had too many people feint. Consequently I got another tour to see > how it was done. > > Paris- When Napoleon rebuilt the city he had to dig up many many cemeteries. > He left a beautiful city. At least he didn't build over them. All the bones > from each cemetery was kept together and put in the Catacombs under the city > and each labeled as to what cemetery they came from and years of use and > anything else they might know. How they arranged the bones you can read in > the Czech section of this dissertation - guess I had better call it that. > > The last time I was in Paris I decided to tour the Catacombs. Husband was in > meetings all day so I went to the entrance, stood in line (yes it is a big > tourist attraction) and paid my money and went down. I am expecting a short > little trip. Three hours later I came up far away. They wind all over under > the city and I have no idea where I was. Many, many of the tunnels are > closed off. Thank God, you would never get back. During World War II, the > French Resistance used the Catacombs for their headquarters with no problems. > The Germans and others were afraid to go down there in the dark with all the > bones.(So they say) > > In Prague we visited a very very old Jewish cemetery. Here they also were > burying one on top of the other. What was interesting is that when they dig > for the next person they remove the headstone, bury the new person, put the > old headstone back on and add a new headstone. Some of the graves had 7 or 8 > headstones. As you know Judaism does not allow cremation-at least that is > what I understand. > > Now the next description does get macabre so if you have a weak stomach - > quit reading. > > I said I would get back to the bone churches. Originally, the bones were all > dug up and piled in the crypts of the churches to make way for new graves. A > lot of these were the result of the Plague many many years ago. At the one I > visited, someone had taken the time to make all sorts of church objects out > of the bones. To say it was weird is putting it mildly. One Monstrance > (forgot how to spell it) was made using every bone in the human body. The > chandelier was made from bones. You would have to have seen it to believe > it. No pictures, but I bought postcards. What bones were left were piled > very nearly in arches along the sides. Large leg bones all stacked neatly > like logs with the skulls sitting on top and all the rest of the extra bones > piled behind.. As I said before I know of two Czechoslovakia and one in > Italy but there may be more. > > One more part of the world and I will quit. As you know the Orient has a bad > population problem and woman are not allowed to choose how many children they > can have in many of the countries. I didn't get into the burial in China > other than the Emperors, but in Japan we visited the oddest garden - very > sad. There was a shrine covered with probably 5 to 6 hundred small dolls (10 > to 15 inches tall). Each doll represented a dead baby, either from abortion > or still birth. The numbers were overwhelming and then we were told that > they only stay one month and are replaced. This was only for this area of > Japan. How sad, but their way of remembering their lost ones. > > Sorry to end on such a sad note. Travel is fun and like one of the > responders to my first missive, it is through the customs of the people and > meeting those of other countries that we can perhaps make this a more > peaceful country. I have found that wherever I go, people have the same > wants for their families. Their customs are different and they go at it a > different way, but each wants what is best for their children and none want > war or killing. This drive for power causes such disorder in life. We > hosted exchange students for 15 years and what a blessing. How can you go to > war when you have friends in the country you are supposed to be mad at? > > OK back to chasing the elusive ancestor. Hope you enjoyed the discourse and > I am ready to hit the court houses again. > > Jerilyn Koskan > Orland Park, Illinois > >

Forwarded for "Marge & Carl Hommel" <hommel@sundial.net> Marge & Carl Hommel wrote: > How do you find out the name of the ship if you have the approximate date it > arrived and the port of entry? I am talking about 1849, New York. My g great > grand father's citizenship papers gave a date of entry into the US, and I > assume NY, as he settled in Rochester, NY. I would also assume Le Havre as > the port of departure, as he came from southern Germany, and his > brother-in-law took that route, the same year, from a near-by-town, and the > same destination. > > Carl Hommel > hommel@sundioal.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debra L Elliott <dlelliott@notes.west.raytheon.com> > To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com>; > NYFingerLakes-D@rootsweb.com <NYFingerLakes-D@rootsweb.com>; > PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com>; NCGUILFO-L@rootsweb.com > <NCGUILFO-L@rootsweb.com>; NCROCKHA-L@rootsweb.com <NCROCKHA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:05 PM > Subject: Immigrant Ships > > >Please forgive me if you get this more than once (or if you already know > about > >this) but I just found a really neat website that gives details of many > >immigrant ships. You just need to know the name of the ship. > > > >http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm > > > >Enjoy! > >Debi > > > >______________________________ --

Forwarded fo "Debra L Elliott" <dlelliott@notes.west.raytheon.com> Debra L Elliott wrote: > Please forgive me if you get this more than once (or if you already know about > this) but I just found a really neat website that gives details of many > immigrant ships. You just need to know the name of the ship. > > http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm > > Enjoy! > Debi --

----- Original Message ----- From: <Jlktrees@aol.com> To: <OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 10:17 AM Subject: [OHBELMON-L] Re: Neglected cemeteries: other problems... > Perhaps this is a little far out, but I have visited in Germany many times > and also am impressed with their cemeteries. A little history first. When > you buy a plot in Germany you buy it only for a certain amount of years 10, > 15, 20, 30 or whatever. If you do not renew your lot fee they come and dig > you up and throw away the stone. All the plots are surrounded by a stone > curb. The curb, etc - all goes. Now for me I almost had a heart attack on > learning this. No wonder the people helping me find the cemetery couldn't > understand why I was so excited. There was one case for me where they had > used 4 sides of the tombstone and kept burying. Now remember they use pine > boxes and white shrouds - I don't think any embalming but forgot to ask. > > Next, all the cemeteries have water spigots, watering cans, hoes, rakes, etc > in strategic spots all over the cemetery for the patrons. Any day you visit > you will find men and woman (and I mean even when it is misting and cold) out > taking very good care of their plot. They weed them, water them, replace > flowers with new when they die. They are beautifully taken care of. It is > like an extension of their home gardens. > > The thing I really don't understand is that when I was there last fall I saw > more and more of the most beautiful and large black marble stones all fancily > cut with Gold lettering. All this for a few years. Oh well.. > > Reason for the turnover is obvious and that is lack of space. Now I was in > Ireland and the older cemeteries are there. In the cities it is now 6 deep > and probably happening in other countries. > > In Czechoslovakia I cam across what they called a bone church. Because of a > lack of specie, all the graves were dug up and all the bones deposited in the > grotto of the church. I won't go into more details, but interesting what > they did. There are two of these in Czech and one I know of in Italy. > Napoleon dug them up and they are in individual cubby holes in the catacombs > of Paris. > > No, I am not macabre but with this hobby of genealogy have found the customs > very interesting. My husband travels a lot on business and I go with when I > can - that is why I travel so much. Not that I don't love it. Hope this > is of interest to some of you. Julienne > >

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: leoandlinda@provide.net (Leo & Linda Schreiber) To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1800 County Borders? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:42:16 GMT The Catawba Co NCGenweb site has done of fantastic job of giving us just what we need for the shifting and splitting counties. They have a series of easily printable simple maps ranging from 1700 to the present day, showing the county changes. Rowan county, with no western boundary, first appears on the 1760 map. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm Also, I found another site useful. It gives a listing of counties, their formation dates and parent counties, etc. http://www.goldenbranches.com/nc-state/counties.html Good luck, Linda ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I have Catherine LAMB, b. 1775, daughter of Jacob LAMB and Sarah STONE in my lines. I hope someone can use this information, and if someone connects to Jacob LAMB, let me know if you have other data I can use. The below article was in our family files, and was written by Leudoska Benbow Byrkett, daughter of Enos Benbow and Mary Modlin and wife of E. B. Byrkett. Leudoska's sister was Josie Benbow, my ggrandmother & wife of my ggrandfather, William F. Walls. Regards, Tim Walls Descendants of Jacob Lamb Generation No. 1 1. Jacob1 Lamb was born September 09, 1742 in Center MM, Rowan Co., NC, and died 1800 in Randolph Co., NC. He married Sarah Stone June 04, 1764 in New Garden MM, Guilford Co., NC, daughter of John Stone and Catherine ?. Child of Jacob Lamb and Sarah Stone is: + 2 i. Katherine2 Lamb, born June 06, 1775 in Center MM, Guilford Co., NC. Generation No. 2 2. Katherine2 Lamb (Jacob1) was born June 06, 1775 in Center MM, Guilford Co., NC. She married Exum Elliott, son of Jacob Elliott and Gilphali ?. More About Exum Elliott: LDS Source: February 10, 1765, Batch No. 9079303, Sheet 6 Child of Katherine Lamb and Exum Elliott is: + 3 i. Isaac3 Elliott. Generation No. 3 3. Isaac3 Elliott (Katherine2 Lamb, Jacob1). He married Rachel Overman, daughter of Ephraim Overman and Rachel Small. Notes for Rachel Overman: From: "A Hoosier List----by Kate Mill----" Probably Indianapolis Star or a newspaper named the Star of Wayne County, IN? "I have just read the interesting article in today's Star concerning the wedding hats of Exum and Catherine Lamb Elliott, early residents of Wayne county," writes Mrs. E. B. Byrket of Knightstown, Ind. "It seems to me that the ones who have preserve these articles through all these years should be highly commended. Such things are tangible links which connect us with the dear old people of generations past. This Exum and Catherine Elliott were also my great-great grandparents, their son Issac being by ancestor. Issac Elliott married Rachel Overman in the year 1818 and entered government land in Grant county in 1828, where the national military home is now located. The brick house they built in later life now forms a part of the builings there. "Rachel Overman Elliott was the daughter of Ephraim and Rachel Small Overman, also residents of Wayne county. Ephraim wwas a member of the territorial Legislature, also a member of the first state Legislature. These people were all of sterling character and my mother, who passed away last December at the age of 92, told me many notable incidents in the lives of Isaac and Rachel Elliott. They reared a large family and at various times took into their home grandchildren, nephews and others and sent them to school. They held a high standard in both religion and education. Isaac Elliott died in 1871 and Rachel followed in 1873. I have in my possession and prize highly their pictures and the pictures of some of their children. In the hurry of the present day I like to pause occasionally and pay tribute to these early pioneers who did so much to make life more pleasant for their posterity." Child of Isaac Elliott and Rachel Overman is: 4 i. Catherine4 Elliott, born in NC.

Hello list, Would like to take a minute to let you know that the 1841 newspaper "The Patriot" of Greensboro, NC is online at the Guilford County NCGenWeb site at this URL: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/guilford/newspapers/patrio12.txt Many names, counties and several states are mentioned. A must see!! Thanks goes to Wayne Dunn for his tireless work in getting this data online for all of us! Sincerely, Cathy Cranford-Ailstock Windwalker@gowebway.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cranford/ Listowner for The CRANFORD, AILSTOCK, BRUTON, HATHCOCK, and JURY Surname Lists NCGenWeb Archive File Manager For: Chatham, Gaston, Guilford, Hoke, Montgomery, Moore, Randolph, Richmond, Stanly, Union Counties of North Carolina http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/ncfiles.htm *** Remember what you have seen, Because everything forgotten returns to the circling winds. Navajo Wind Chant

The American Colonist's Library-- Primary Source Documents Pertaining to Early American History: http://www.universitylake.org/primarysources.html

I am looking for any information on my gg and ggg grandparents Jesse T. Swain, b. 10 April 1805 d. 01 July 1876 (no places given) Married Ruth Worthington b. 22 September 1801 d. 11 May 1873 their daughter - Lousia Jane Swain b. 28 November 1834 (no place given) married (no date) to Richard Romulus Hull in Winston Salem, NC. Richard Hull was born 12 February 1839, in Guilford Co. NC, son of Ebanizer Hull. (05 January 1810 - 02 May 1911) Richard and Louisa Swain Hull went into Indiana sometime around 1863-5) My information was taken from an old family Bible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Tammy Jones Columbia, Missouri

HUGH HERREL m. REBECKAH LACKIN 19 May 1787 Rowan County, N.C. Witt: FANNY MACAY Does anyone on this list have any information about these people? Any clue, information, mention in any research, discussion, Much Appreciated! G. Lee Hearl.... Ye Ole' Storyteller Abingdon, Va..

Part #10 This post includes the surnames of MacLAMROC, PATRICK, ALCORN, WRIGHT, TALLEY, BAKER, HOWERTON, HOPKINS, GRIFFIN, SHREVE Mill Sites in Simpsonville Township Rockingham Co. NC IRON WORKS Mill (site) is located on Troublesome Creek, NC State Road 2423, approximately 1.5 miles north of Monroeton. In operation as early as 1770. ************************************************************ Bill GRIFFIN operated the Iron Works sawmill by water power for a few years beginning about 1920. The race was divided so both the sawmill and mill could operate independently; however there was insufficient water to operate both at the same time. Either J.R. SHREVE or Zilmon GRIFFIN attempted to increase the volume of water by raising the dam eighteen inches with dirt and rock. As the timber upstream was cut the lake continued to silt with mud. The problem became so bad that during the 1920's a turbine was installed. Iron Works was frequently used by churches as a place for baptisms. Probably the largest ever held there was in October 1927 when after a revival, over forty people from a Reidsville church were baptized. The "baptizing hole" was not in the lake, but in the creek behind the mill. By World War 11 there was often insufficient water to operate the turbine, and during the war a large motor was installed to operate the mill. Shortly after the war ended the milling operations at the Iron Works ceased. Some of the millers from the 1920's into the 1940's included Mr ALCORN, Mr WRIGHT, Frank TALLEY, Reuben BAKER and his father-in-law Mr HOWERTON and "Shorty" HOPKINS In September 1954 after two drought condition summers the GRIFFIN heirs allowed the City of Reidsville to break the dam to obtain drinking water. The GRIFFIN heirs sold the Iron Works property at auction in October 1968. In December 1968 the third Iron Works Mill on the site burned to the ground. The house built by James PATRICK in 1833/4 burned on 29 October 1976. The Iron Works property was purchased by Colonel James G. W. MacLAMROC of Guilford County in 1968. Sources: Rockingham Deeds Book 149 page 112 ....Book 173 page 12,... Book 183 pages 36, 179, 224, 293, and Book 200 page 194 "Flames From Old Mill Light Page In History" Greensboro Daily News Dec. 16, 1968 "Troublesome Iron Works Has A History of Woes" Winston Salem Journal And Sentinel The Reidsville Review: March 13, 1959, October 6, 1954, Nov 2, 1976, December 16, 1968 This ends the Iron Works Mill History in Simpsonville Township, Rockingham County.....