Jack, I could say thank you for reminding us the Carr family is such a mess in our notes but think I would just as soon not have been reminded. Most of these notes were done before computers and certainly before softwear and many of my notes are still in notebooks and so are Ruth's notes. I can't find anything and know there is Holloway information buried in the many files. Ruth, how about a spring project? I need to finish up the Taylors first. Is anyone else working the Carrs other than Ruth and new member Jack? Jack, you almost need to wait until we wade through all this information and see what shakes out. Ruth has the Titus line and mine is his brother Matthew but I can only PROVE back to Lawrence assumed son of Matthew. Both Titus and Matthew had children and grandchildren with the same names which is such great fun trying to sort them. Martha