In a message dated 6/27/01 11:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, andouglas@davidson.edu writes: << This is probably the best site I have come across on the formation of the counties in North Carolina. >> Actually, I found that you have to work the county formation dates on the county links page for NCgenweb to REALLY get a handle on that particular map. The two of them in tandem work well. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html Neither of them really adequately address the land that is "Indian Territory", where supposedly I have someone born ca 1803. On the link you gave "IT" doesn't appear, but in some census guide books, it is clearly there covering parts of several counties that are "Buncombe" on the maps at your links. Anyway, the two links work well together. Janet Hunter

Traci Does Edgecombe County have any census transcriptions online anywhere? Might be worth trying ...

Hello there, Douglas, Ann. Every time I see your messages in my mail I think I have a letter from my brother Douglas and his wife Ann. Evelyn At 11:14 AM 06/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: >This is probably the best site I have come across on the formation of the >counties in North Carolina. > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm

This is probably the best site I have come across on the formation of the counties in North Carolina. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm

Paul, Yep, those counties were splitting like crazy at that time! What is your source for Charles in Edgecombe in 1754? He doesn't appear in any of my Edgecombe records, and the only time I see his name in conjunction with Edgecombe is in someone else's land grant dated 1762, in which he is listed as a sworn chain carrier. Everything else I find on that name at that time points toward Granville County. A Charles Bartholomew (and various spellings) is mentioned several times in the land records of Granville. The earliest mention I find of him in my records is dated 1754, Granville County, and suggests Charles had been there previously: "Robert Cheek warrant dated 13 January 1754 to Sherwood Haywood to survey 300 acres in Granville County, joining William Cheek - including the vacant land between the sd. lines and Charles Bartholomew. Entered 14 May 1753." A possible place to look for Bartholomews is Virginia, particularly whatever counties lie north of Granville, which borders Virginia. In 1754 this would have been Brunswick County. I would probably rule out more easterly N.C. because I checked my other land grant books, and deeds for Bertie/Chowan County, and did not find any Bartholomews. Turning to VA I looked in my Virginia books and found these tidbits: 1.) From Virginia Wills and Administrations: three Bartholomews are listed as having early wills - John, 1786, Rockbridge County; Richard, 1696, Princess Anne County; and Jno. (John or Johnathan), Brunswick County, 1735. 2.) In Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, vol. 3, a John Poythress is listed as having received a grant of 609 acres in Charles City County, on the south side of the James River, 23 October 1703. He is also mentioned as having transported 13 persons into the colony, including a Charles Bartholomew. You might want to look further in Granville County and Brunswick Co., Va records (and whatever counties Brunswick was eventually split into); I don't have a lot of books for either place. The good news is that this doesn't appear to be a very common name. Much better than Smith or Jones! Hope this helps some. Traci the Librarian _________________________________________________________________ From: "Paul Buckley" <PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net> To: NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCEDGECO] Bartholomew Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:52:40 -0400 My apologies for doing a blanket posting to several lists. However, my Bartholomew bunch that I am searching seems to have settled in an area that was constantly changing county affiliation back in the late 1700's! Have a Charles Bartholomew in Franklin Co. and a Lewis Bartholomew in Warren Co. both ca. 1805-80. Have also found a Charles, John, and Lewis in Warren Co. in 1790 census...but don't have their relationship to the later Charles and Lewis. Then there is a Charles in Bute Co. in 1769 and his son John there also. Have a James and a John in Nash co. ca. 1810. And the oldest record found to date is of a Charles Bartholomew in Edgecombe co. in 1754. The whole bunch seems to have owned land along the Fishing creek and some aroung the Possumquarter branch. Any help connecting this line and with the origins of the 1754 Charles is appreciated. Regards, Paul Buckley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Friends, I'm hoping someone can help me with a look up in the 1850 census of Edgecomb of my g g grandfather George Acrile Savage. He was born 1846 to James H. Savage and Kate Barfield how married in Tarboro. I'm hoping to find out who George's siblings were and where his father James was born. I have conflicting info at the moment...one record says NC and another says VA. Thanks so very much for your help!! Audrey Orlando, FL

Traci, Thanks for the helpful information. My apologies, the 1754 point of reference I have for Charles is in Worth Ray's book on Granville County, not Edgecombe. I spent all afternoon last Friday trying to get it all fixed in my mind as to which county I needed to be looking in, and after making copies of various county formation maps and timelines, I am still confused! One would think that our forefathers would have projected a little sympathy for those of us who are trying to piece together their activities some 250 years later! I have located a little more information that indicates the 1754 Charles is indeed my current brick wall. And I will be travelling to Raleigh tomorrow to rummage around in the state archives in search of the Bartholomews. The raw data I have now on the line I'm reasearching indicates: Charles Bartholomew, b. 1733, place unknown. m. Tabby House Louis Bartholomew(1768-1849) m.Lucy Ruth Bennett, Warren County Lewis Bartholomew(1813-1884) m. Harty Jackson. Franklin County Sidney W. Bartholomew(1832-1900) m. Martha C. Lancaster. Franklin County Sidney Jackson Bartholomew(1863-1932) m. Sally Julia Clements. Nash County Russell Clement Bartholomew(1892-1938) m. Nannie Blanch Jones. Edgecombe County Sidney Jackson Bartholomew(1922-1999) m Francis Lorene Overman. Edgecombe County Thanks for your help. Regards, Paul Buckley ----- Original Message ----- From: Traci Thompson <tracithompson@hotmail.com> To: <NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: [NCEDGECO] Re: Bartholomew > Paul, > > Yep, those counties were splitting like crazy at that time! What is your > source for Charles in Edgecombe in 1754? He doesn't appear in any of my > Edgecombe records, and the only time I see his name in conjunction with > Edgecombe is in someone else's land grant dated 1762, in which he is listed > as a sworn chain carrier. Everything else I find on that name at that time > points toward Granville County. A Charles Bartholomew (and various > spellings) is mentioned several times in the land records of Granville. The > earliest mention I find of him in my records is dated 1754, Granville > County, and suggests Charles had been there previously: > "Robert Cheek warrant dated 13 January 1754 to Sherwood Haywood to survey > 300 acres in Granville County, joining William Cheek - including the vacant > land between the sd. lines and Charles Bartholomew. Entered 14 May 1753." > A possible place to look for Bartholomews is Virginia, particularly whatever > counties lie north of Granville, which borders Virginia. In 1754 this would > have been Brunswick County. I would probably rule out more easterly N.C. > because I checked my other land grant books, and deeds for Bertie/Chowan > County, and did not find any Bartholomews. Turning to VA I looked in my > Virginia books and found these tidbits: > > 1.) From Virginia Wills and Administrations: three Bartholomews are listed > as having early wills - John, 1786, Rockbridge County; Richard, 1696, > Princess Anne County; and Jno. (John or Johnathan), Brunswick County, 1735. > > 2.) In Cavaliers and Pioneers, Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and > Grants, vol. 3, a John Poythress is listed as having received a grant of 609 > acres in Charles City County, on the south side of the James River, 23 > October 1703. He is also mentioned as having transported 13 persons into > the colony, including a Charles Bartholomew. > > You might want to look further in Granville County and Brunswick Co., Va > records (and whatever counties Brunswick was eventually split into); I don't > have a lot of books for either place. The good news is that this doesn't > appear to be a very common name. Much better than Smith or Jones! > > Hope this helps some. > > Traci the Librarian > _________________________________________________________________ > > From: "Paul Buckley" <PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net> > To: NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCEDGECO] Bartholomew > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:52:40 -0400 > > My apologies for doing a blanket posting to several lists. However, my > Bartholomew bunch that I am searching seems to have settled in an area that > was constantly changing county affiliation back in the late 1700's! > > Have a Charles Bartholomew in Franklin Co. and a Lewis Bartholomew in Warren > Co. both ca. 1805-80. Have also found a Charles, John, and Lewis in Warren > Co. in 1790 census...but don't have their relationship to the later Charles > and Lewis. > > Then there is a Charles in Bute Co. in 1769 and his son John there also. > Have a James and a John in Nash co. ca. 1810. > > And the oldest record found to date is of a Charles Bartholomew in Edgecombe > co. in 1754. > > The whole bunch seems to have owned land along the Fishing creek and some > aroung the Possumquarter branch. > > Any help connecting this line and with the origins of the 1754 Charles is > appreciated. > > Regards, > > Paul Buckley > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >

Traci, is that you? When I "replied" to a message from you, I got the EDGECO mailing list??? I got the following message from a kind hearted soul who looked up the Probate records at the Kirn Library. He suggested you might be able to help with the SPELL book(?) to see what, if any, type of references to John JONES and Thomas SPELL around 1750-1800 or so might be in it. I am tracing Thomas SPELL's daughter's family (Ann or Hannah (Spell) Richardson, md to Benjamin RICHARDSON). According to JONES's Will (1757 Edgecombe Co. NC) Thomas is son in law of John JONES, md JONES's daughter Ann. Another JONES daughter md Peter Mitchell, and the third (Sarah, I believe) md a JERKINS (Charles?). My ancestor (Caleb MARTIN, b. Talbot Co. Maryland 1796) married a daughter of Jane RICHARDSON, who is descended from this RICHARDSON-SPELL-JONES line. So I am "hot on the trail" ... by long distance from Florida. <Smile> ============== Subj: (no subject) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 8:00:05 PM From: Clycolbert To: SMartin583 Sheila Found and copied wills for Peter Mitchell and John Jones. The Mitchell will was from the original but Jones if from film. Jones will is hard to read. It was from the Secretary of State files and the wills there have been RETIRED and can no longer be copied from the originals. If you want the originals, send your address. If not, I plan to copied (abstract) them into my files before sending. Can send you a copy of that. Did not see a will for Thomas Spell. Did find a book for the Spell family in the Tarboro library. Did not have time to examine it for your names but Thomas Spell and John Jones are both listed. Don't know if they are your men or not. Tarci the librarian may be able to help you with that. Tommy (C. T. Colbert)

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Lists, My apologies for doing a blanket posting to several lists. However, my Bartholomew bunch that I am searching seems to have settled in an area that was constantly changing county affiliation back in the late 1700's! Have a Charles Bartholomew in Franklin Co. and a Lewis Bartholomew in Warren Co. both ca. 1805-80. Have also found a Charles, John, and Lewis in Warren Co. in 1790 census...but don't have their relationship to the later Charles and Lewis. Then there is a Charles in Bute Co. in 1769 and his son John there also. Have a James and a John in Nash co. ca. 1810. And the oldest record found to date is of a Charles Bartholomew in Edgecombe co. in 1754. The whole bunch seems to have owned land along the Fishing creek and some aroung the Possumquarter branch. Any help connecting this line and with the origins of the 1754 Charles is appreciated. Regards, Paul Buckley

Michele (and list), The CD set, which by the way has just been put on the market by the LDS Church at the really reasonable price of $49-$50, does have an index. I am not sure quite yet whether it is an every-name or head of household index; the description on the box doesn't say. It will be about a week to two weeks before I can use it because our system administrator must upgrade my computer first, but when it's operational, I will see what I can find for you. Traci ________________________________________________________________ From: Michele <moonchld@micro-net.com> To: NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NCEDGECO] Re: Lees Hi Traci, Yes, the images. I wish there were an index, because as you probably know, most of the 1890 census is toast, so I am figuring 1880 as my best bet for finding Lizzie rather than her kids. Thanks for offering to help with the CD...please let me know if it is a lot of trouble, because I don't want you to have to spend hours combing through this stuff if that's what it takes. -Michele _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Julia and other, In spite of all the people I have found, there have been one or two that I know died after 1880 that have been impossible to find in the set. Either they did not get counted, or there are some minor bits missing. It can be very frustrating if your people are in one of the minor bits. Marleen

The Family History Library 1880 census set indexes every person in the US, 50 million plus people. Marleen

The set of CDs contains essentially an every name index. I found my father age 6 listed as a son in my grandfather's household, along with all of the other children. You can search on any name, really. But I still can't find my great grandmother and her second husband, anywhere. Of course, he could have died, but I can't find her using any method. What I am saying, I guess, is that perhaps not every living person was included in the original census enumerations. Bill

Thanks Deb and Robert for letting Martha know about the bad**trans virus infection. This one is particularly evil, replying on its own to *all unread* messages in your email box and it sure is making the rounds. It's also fairly new (first reported c. April 21st) and if you haven't updated your anti-virus software in the past month or so, now's the time to go get the latest files. To learn more about this particular one, and how to remove it, see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w32.badtrans.13312@mm.html To help out, I've temporarily unsubscribed Martha from the list so that no one will receive any more "replies" to their posts here. As I'm sure you know, it's NOT Martha who's sending these out. She's a wonderful lady who's helped many, many Edgecombe County researchers over the years. Cheers, Victoria

Hi All List Members: In response to a message that I posted earlier this morning, I received an automated reply from Martha Lackey <martha@nuc.net> that has the attachment "Me_nude.AVI.pif" which is a badtrans virus. Be careful. MARTHA: you need to work on and eleminate this virus quickly! ROB Robert G. Lewis EMAIL: rlew6897@rollinginternet.com Searching: LEWIS; ALFORD; FINCH; HOGG; WINBORNE; VOLIVA and others Member: The National Genealogical Society; The Alford American Family Association; The Tar River Connections Genealogical Society

In a message dated 06/20/2001 10:10:52 AM Central Daylight Time, possum@gulftel.com writes: > Marleen > One quick question on these Census set. > Are the names that are indexed, head of households or every single person > living in the US in 1880? > Thanks > Hello, I am not Marleen, but I will tell you, that they include every person in the household. These CDs are great. You can do a search using any criteria. First name, Last name, Wild cards using an *, and narrow the search by selecting place of birth, and selecting to seach ony one state or region, one county, color of skin, sex, etc. Or any and all these things together. I found ggrandparents that I thought were dead before 1880. The only problem that I had was with the search in the New Orleans area. I have people that I know were there, and they aren't on this census. I do not know if there was a problem with lost records for this area for the year 1880. Julia French Wood

I mistyped. My Edward/Thomas shows up in the census in 1840, not 1800. Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Lackey" <martha@nuc.net> To: <NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [NCEDGECO] TV program Saturday night on Civil War battlefield preservation > Gloria, > I noticed the surname Cobb in your list. I, too, am a Cobb researcher. My > ancestors were in Edgecombe Co., NC in the mid 1700s. > Martha (Cobb) Lackey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenna Kinard" <gkinard@sc.rr.com> > To: <NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:37 PM > Subject: [NCEDGECO] TV program Saturday night on Civil War battlefield > preservation > > > > >From a notice in my Civil War Preservation Trust newsletter, Hallowed > > Ground: > > > > Saturday, June 23, 8 p.m. The History Channel will air a new program > about > > Civil War battlefield preservation. "Save Our History: Civil War > > Battlefields" includes interviews with Civil War Preservation Trust > > personnel and preservationists around the country. It highlights > endangered > > battlefields from Gettysburg to Vicksburg. > > > > Thought this might be of interest to those of us whose ancestors fought > for > > the glorious cause. > > > > > > > > (Pardon the multiple sendings, but I want to make sure all those who are > > interested would be made aware of this.) > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Researching: > > (1) Porter, McCants, Cobb, Martin, Rawlinson, Gill, Higgins, Scott, > > Harrison, Fetner; > > (2) Bryant, McDade, Dillard, Tolleson, Wells, Baxter, Eaves; > > (3) Kinard, Wise, Thaxton, Vickers, Patton, Hubbard, Wilkins, Long/Lang, > > Latta (Branch 28), Mauldin, Dismukes. > > Please direct all correspondence to: gkinard@sc.rr.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Martha: I have not been able to get my Cobbs out of South Carolina. I don't know where they were prior to that but I highly suspect NC. My line begins w/Edward (might be Thomas) b. ca 1787 I know not where. He was in SC in 1800 census. But in searching for him, I've found in the SC census a Hartwell E. H. Cobb who another researcher tells me is a NC name. Does it ring a bell w/you? Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Lackey" <martha@nuc.net> To: <NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [NCEDGECO] TV program Saturday night on Civil War battlefield preservation > Gloria, > I noticed the surname Cobb in your list. I, too, am a Cobb researcher. My > ancestors were in Edgecombe Co., NC in the mid 1700s. > Martha (Cobb) Lackey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenna Kinard" <gkinard@sc.rr.com> > To: <NCEDGECO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:37 PM > Subject: [NCEDGECO] TV program Saturday night on Civil War battlefield > preservation > > > > >From a notice in my Civil War Preservation Trust newsletter, Hallowed > > Ground: > > > > Saturday, June 23, 8 p.m. The History Channel will air a new program > about > > Civil War battlefield preservation. "Save Our History: Civil War > > Battlefields" includes interviews with Civil War Preservation Trust > > personnel and preservationists around the country. It highlights > endangered > > battlefields from Gettysburg to Vicksburg. > > > > Thought this might be of interest to those of us whose ancestors fought > for > > the glorious cause. > > > > > > > > (Pardon the multiple sendings, but I want to make sure all those who are > > interested would be made aware of this.) > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Researching: > > (1) Porter, McCants, Cobb, Martin, Rawlinson, Gill, Higgins, Scott, > > Harrison, Fetner; > > (2) Bryant, McDade, Dillard, Tolleson, Wells, Baxter, Eaves; > > (3) Kinard, Wise, Thaxton, Vickers, Patton, Hubbard, Wilkins, Long/Lang, > > Latta (Branch 28), Mauldin, Dismukes. > > Please direct all correspondence to: gkinard@sc.rr.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >