http://rosecity.net/rush/freedom.html Folks you will find a similar story Rush Limbaugh Jr. and linked on the NC Revolutionary War Site... http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrevwar/ncrevwar.htm Jerome Tew -----Original Message----- From: KRobe30171@aol.com <KRobe30171@aol.com> To: NCDUPLIN-L@rootsweb.com <NCDUPLIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:27 PM Subject: Signers of Declaration Story >Hi list, > >I loved the story on what happened to the signers of the Declaration of >Independence Story! > >It is so important to know the history of our nation and of the local area >where we are doing research. I'd love to see more like this! > >Karen > >

Hi list, I loved the story on what happened to the signers of the Declaration of Independence Story! It is so important to know the history of our nation and of the local area where we are doing research. I'd love to see more like this! Karen

--part1_21fdd694.24846cc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/99 2:41:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kcks@goldendale.net writes: << War between the States.... not between the Colonies and England. The perspective is quite different depending on which side of the 'pond' one calls home. Enjoy, Lisa Grimes For more on the American Revolution on the Internet.... americanrevolution.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Fate of the Signatories > by Gary Hildreth, courtesy of Paul Harvey > >Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed >the Declaration of Independence? >Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured >before they died. >Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. >Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons >captured. >Nine of the 56 fought, and died, from wounds or hardships of the >Revolutionary War.. >They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their >sacred honor... What kind of men were they? >Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine >were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well >educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence >knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were >captured. >Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his >ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home >and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags... >Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced >to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress >without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were >taken from him, and poverty was his reward... >Vandals, or soldiers, looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, >Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton... >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British >General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his >headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to >open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt... >Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy >jailed his wife, and she died within a few months... >John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. >Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were >laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, >returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few >weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. >Norris, and Livingston, suffered similar fates... >Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. >These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft- >spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they >valued liberty more... Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they >pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the >protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each >other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." >They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history >books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary >War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that >time and we fought our own government! Perhaps you can now see >why our founding fathers had a hatred for standing armies, and >allowed through the Second Amendment for everyone to be armed.. >> Thought everyone might like to see this. --part1_21fdd694.24846cc5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <errors-36237-375-cgt714=aol.com@onelist.com> Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v59.24) with SMTP; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:41:56 -0400 Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:41:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 1784 invoked by alias); 30 May 1999 06:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 1775 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 06:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailg.skamania.net) (208.131.72.13) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 06:41:49 -0000 Received: from nivek (GD-Dial-49.goldendale.net [208.131.75.113]) by mailg.skamania.net (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA01472 for <GRIMES-List@onelist.com>; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: <00b201beaa68$ff5a9600$714b83d0@nivek> From: "Lisa Grimes" <kcks@goldendale.net> To: <GRIMES-List@onelist.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:46:16 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Mailing-List: list GRIMES-List@onelist.com; contact GRIMES-List-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list GRIMES-List@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:GRIMES-List-unsubscribe@ONElist.com> Reply-to: GRIMES-List@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GRIMES-List] "The rest of the story" From: "Lisa Grimes" <kcks@goldendale.net> Grimes Clan, I'm not one to put politics on the Lists... but in view of the nature of this weekend's Holiday, I thought you'd enjoy finding out just what happened to the signers of "The Declaration of Independence". Since most of my research centers in this time frame, I find this info most thought provoking, and I'm putting this here only as part of our history... nothing more. For those in America, it was the beginning of the Revolutionary War, and for those in England [United Kingdom], it was a Civil War. I've been startled, more than once, to have someone discuss this under the title of 'Civil War'..... and it takes me a moment to orient to the late 1700's and not to the mid-1800's. To me the term means the War between the States.... not between the Colonies and England. The perspective is quite different depending on which side of the 'pond' one calls home. Enjoy, Lisa Grimes For more on the American Revolution on the Internet.... americanrevolution.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Fate of the Signatories > by Gary Hildreth, courtesy of Paul Harvey > >Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed >the Declaration of Independence? >Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured >before they died. >Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. >Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons >captured. >Nine of the 56 fought, and died, from wounds or hardships of the >Revolutionary War.. >They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their >sacred honor... What kind of men were they? >Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine >were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well >educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence >knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were >captured. >Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his >ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home >and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags... >Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced >to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress >without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were >taken from him, and poverty was his reward... >Vandals, or soldiers, looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, >Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton... >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British >General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his >headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to >open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt... >Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy >jailed his wife, and she died within a few months... >John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. >Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were >laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, >returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few >weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. >Norris, and Livingston, suffered similar fates... >Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. >These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft- >spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they >valued liberty more... Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they >pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the >protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each >other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." >They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history >books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary >War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that >time and we fought our own government! Perhaps you can now see >why our founding fathers had a hatred for standing armies, and >allowed through the Second Amendment for everyone to be armed... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What do lizards and rock music have in common? http://www.onelist.com They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! --part1_21fdd694.24846cc5_boundary--

I am going to ditto Christine on this. All anyone has to do when they see anything like that or what they don't like is to hit the delete button on the keyboard. Also contact the man privately and express your concerns about the language problem and then let it go rather than to bombard the mail-list so much with disapprovals. I am also of like opinion as to the objection but have been waiting for over a week now for this subject to quiet down. Let's get on with the family research again. Thanks. Sue Meinhart in southern CA

I am the owner of this list, which until now has been a peaceful place. I have asked some persons privately, as I think these things should be done, to let this "language" thread die. They have chosen not to do so. I think that the origin of this was a very minor transgression made by sending a private message...which in fact contained no vulgar language.. accidentally to the list. Some of the most offended people have sent messages to me rather than the list by mistake. If there is a problem on this list the complaint should be sent to me or the offender as a private request...not the list. I am the enforcer here. I do not want to see this list degenerate into a flame war, as many others have. If I think we have a problem, I will act on it, but it will be my decision. The rules on this list are that messages be limited to discussions of genealogy or history. I will warn once, but after that I am going to disconnect the offender. I have a large backup of information sent to me to be posted that will benefit many people. I want to spend my time on that, rather than refereeing an adult list. Please lets get back to genealogy and helping each other. Please send all mail for the list to mailto:ncduplin-l@rootsweb.com. Mail sent to mailto:ncduplin-l-request@rootsweb.com or mailto:ncduplin-d-request@rootsweb.com comes to me and requires that I take time to reroute it if I feel I have time, or delete it when I don't. That address is for subscribing or unsubscribing. Mary Westbrook-Drake ICQ# 14695319 <http://www.thedrake.org/note1.htm> ----- Original Message -----

--part1_90417921.248305e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_90417921.248305e4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: CGT714@aol.com From: CGT714@aol.com Full-name: CGT 714 Message-ID: <90417921.24830567@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:19:35 EDT Subject: Re: [NCLENOIR-L] Lenoir & Greene sites & Betsy To: mmarble@erols.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 i have not been to the site's yet today, but i want to give BETSY a BIG THANK YOU and to every one else that has a part in the web sites mention, you all deserve a word of praise for a Job well done. Thank you all Christine Grimes Thacker --part1_90417921.248305e4_boundary--

In a message dated 5/30/99 12:19:13 AM << resent the language that is used or implied by Mr Kornegay. >> Hi all, am i the only one that did not take the language as a dirty word, he had 3 --- marks, let it go and let's get back to what the site is for and that is research!!!!!!!!!!. He made an error so let's drop it, Please. Christine Grimes Thacker

> Hi, I resent the language that is used or implied by Mr Kornegay. Let > him e-mail the person privately. I don't use that language, nor allow > it in my house. > Janice > Ditto that! His language is going to make me unsubscribe to a very helpful sight if he can't keep his appalling language to himself!...Jo

Hi, A few have asked. Taken from pages 3-10 of the February 1997 issue of the North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal. SWISS-PALATINES TO NEW BERN: A LIST OF KNOWN PERSONS WHO LEFT SWITZERLAND AND GERMANY TO SETTLE NEW BERN, N. C., IN 1710 compiled by Victor T. Jones, Jr. Local History and Genealogy Librarian, New Bern-Craven County Public Library As Local History and Genealogy Librarian of the New Bern-Craven County Public Library, I am frequently asked, "Do you have a copy of the list of settlers who came with Baron de GRAFFENRIED?" Unfortunately, the answer is, "No ~" No such list of passengers who sailed from England to Virginia/North Carolina in 1709/10 has survived; or if it has survived, it has not been located. A 1749 "list of Palatines and their descendants who arrived in North Carolina around 1709" is mentioned in the Colonial Records of North Carolina, Volume 4, page 967. This list, too, has not been found. This article attempts to list some of those immigrants (or their descendants) who came with Christoph de GRAFFENRIED in 1710. In all, about one hundred Swiss and six hundred Palatines left Europe for New Bern. Nearly all of the Swiss arrived; however, only about half of the Palatines survived the journey to New Bern. Still others were killed during the Tuscarora Wars, 1712-1715. The names below are taken from several contemporaneous documents, which are listed in the bibliography. The names of the possible Swiss-Palatines at the end of the article are chosen due to their Germanic-sounding names or due to "guilt by association" with known Swiss-Palatines. John AMON. also OMEND; listed on the 1714 Tithables and 1714 Claims List. Vinct. AMEAT. also possibly AMYETT; listed on a 1740 petition to establish a church for the use of the high Germans and the Church of England. Peter ANDREWS. also ANDRAS; 1740 petitioner. William BARN. 1740 petitioner. Abraham BAVER. listed on a 1747 petition to claim lands due to the Palatines. Christian BAVER. named on a 1715 Land List and the 1747 petition of the Palatines. [NFN] BELSTILER [spelling?]. on de GRAFFENRIED's map of 1710; possibly Jacob BLILELOR who is listed in a 1733 petition of people from Craven Precinct. Heine BERGER [spelling?]. on de GRAFFENRIED's map of 1710. Johan Jacob BO~TSCRI. Clerk of Court; also possibly GOTSCHI; on map of 1710 and mentioned in letters to Switzerland. BRANEN family. household consisted of Mr. and Mrs. BRANEN, two children, and "my old father." two other BRANEN children died in Holland; named in letter to Switzerland. Abraham BUSIT. also BUSSETT; 1747 petitioner. George COONS. see also KUNTZLI; orphaned in 1712, bound to Jacob MILLER; 1740 petitioner. [NFN] DICHTLI. possibly TETCHEY below; mentioned in letter to Switzerland. Jacob EIBACH. also IBACK, IPOCK; listed on a 1716 Land Tax; 1740 petitioner; February 1997 3 1747 petitioner. Peter ENDER. 1747 petitioner; possibly Peter ENGEL, who was orphaned in 1713 at age fourteen and was apprenticed to Adam MOOR. Anni ENGEL. died on journey to America, related to Christen ENGEL, and mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Dietrich [ENGEL?]. mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Christen ENGEL. Faust states ENGEL is from Eggiwil; is listed on the map of 1710, and is mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Philip FENEYER. 1747 petitioner. John Martin FRANCK. also known as Martin FRANCK in various early records, but none name him as Swiss-Palatine; near neighbors were and children married Swiss-Palatines. He died circa March 1744/45. His widow, Anna Civil FRANCK, married Jacob SHEETS between June 1745 and September 1746. Children of Martin FRANCK: John, Barbary [also Barbara], and Catrine. William FRANK. 1740 petitioner; in 1748 Craven County Count records, he made oath that he was upwards of sixty years of age. Daniel FULCH. 1740 petitioner. Jacob FULCH. 1740 petitioner. Samuel Jacob GABLEY. on map of 1710 (as GOBELI); possibly the same as Jacob GOBLEY below. Christian GANTER. 1747 petitioner. Michael GESIBEL. 1747 petitioner. Jacob GOBLEY. possibly on map of 1710 (as GOBELI); on a 1714 Claims List. John GRANADE. 1747 petitioner. Joseph GRANADE. listed in 1732 Craven County Court records; died circa June 1747. Henry GRIST. 1747 petitioner. Herman GRUM. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1716 Land Tax; 1747 petitioner. ~FN] HABENTISH. possibly HABERSTICH; on map of 1710. [NFN] HANF. possibly HOPF; on map of 1710. [NFN] HEIMBERGER. possibly on map of 1710. Woolruk HESS. possible Swiss or Palatine, listed on 1714 Claims List; was guardian to John KINSEY in 1713. Jacob HIMLER of Madiswyl. named in a letter to Switzerland. Johannes STERN HIMLER. son of Joseph STERN and Madalena SIMON STERN; named in a letter to Switzerland. Madlena SIMON [STERN] HIMLER. daughter of Benedicht SIMON, named in a letter to Switzerland. Jacob HUBER. 1747 petitioner. [John] Jacob HUBER (HOVER, HOOVER). 1714 Claims List (as HOVER); 1733 petition (as HOWEVER); died circa 1744. Rudy HUNTZIGER. possibly HUNZIKER; on map of 1710. Samuel HLNTZIGER. possibly HUNZIKER; on map of 1710. Vallentine IBACK. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List. Christian ISLER. also ESLER; 1733 petitioner; 1747 petitioner; died circa December 4 North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal 1747. His children were: John, William, and Frederick (also a petitioner, 1733). Nicholas ISLER. 1714 Claims List. Christen JANTZ. named in a letter to Switzerland; also on map of 1710. Christina CHRISTLER JANTZ, from Sannen. named in a letter to Switzerland. Dichtli Benedicta JANTZ. one of two daughters of Christen JANTZ; named in a letter to Switzerland. Zioria (?) JANTZ. named in a letter to Switzerland. Michaell KEESABLE. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1716 Land Tax. He died by December 1738. His daughter, named Frona, is listed in Craven County Court records for December 1738. Simon KEHLER. 1714 Claims List (as KEYLER); 1747 petitioner. George KENEGE. 1733 petitioner (as CARNEPY); 1740 petitioner (as CONNEGUE); 1747 petitioner. Present spelling, KORNEGAY. John KENSEY. 1747 petitioner, second time named. Peter KINSE. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List. John KINSEY. orphaned in 1713 at age fourteen, bound to Woolrick HESS; 1740 petitioner; 1747 petitioner. John KINSEY proved his headrights in March 1745/46, listing eight whites. Possible children are: John KIN SEY, Jr., Christian KIN SEY, and Esther KINSEY. These three had their stock marks recorded in June 1731. Christen KONTZLI. with wife and six children, issued passport March 1710 (see Faust); possibly on map of 1710. Benedicht KUPFERSCHMEID.' named in a letter to Switzerland; also on map of 1710. Infant son KUPFERSCHMEID. named in a letter to Switzerland; born at sea, July 1710. Mrs. Benedicht KUPFERSCHMEID. named in a letter to Switzerland; daughter of Hans RL~EGSEGGER.2 Peter LOTS. 1714 Claims List (as LUTTS); 1747 petitioner. Caspar Ltintly von COSMORGEN [spelling?]. on map of 1710. [NFN] MARITZ. mentioned in a letter to Switzerland as "the shoemaker"; died in Carolina, 1711? Frederick MARKET. 1747 petitioner. Christopher MILLER. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List. Jacob MILLER. 1714 Tithables; (as Captain) 1714 Claims List; will was proven December 1732. He married a Katherine. She evidently was the widow of Jacob ZIORIEN (also ZEORGE and LEORGE). Jacob ZIORJEN's children were Jacob (died 1737), Christian, and Mary (married Hugh STANNALAND by 1737). (See Craven County Court records for 1732, 1733, and 1737.) John Lecher MILLER. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1733 petitioner; 1740 petitioner; 1747 petitioner. John Lecher MILLER had a son named Jacob MILLER. It is evidently this Jacob MILLER who is listed in the 1747 petition. Adam MOOR. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1716 Land Tax; 'The author's manuscript has KupferSchmeid at each occurrence of the name. 2The author's manuscript has RtiegsEgger at each occurrence of the name. February 1997 5 1733 petitioner; 1747 petitioner. Dennis MOOR. 1747 petitioner. Henry MORRIS. possibly also MORRISETT; 1747 petitioner. Salome von M()HLENEN. from Bottigen of the Flu~hli, Upper Sinamenthal, Bern Canton; married a Mr. ZIORJEN; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. ~FN] MGLLER. on map of 1710. Christen NOBLE. the tanner; on map of 1710. [NFN] NUSSBAUM. on map of 1710. Philip OMEND. also AMON, OMAN; 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1747 petitioner. Henry PERLIPAH. also PARLEBAR; 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1716 Land Tax. Margaret PFUND of Zweysimmen. wife of Samuel Jacob GOB LEY above; named in a letter to Switzerland. Michael PICKEL. 1714 Tithables (as PEEKEE); 1714 Claims List (as PEACKLE); 1733 petitioner; 1740 petitioner. Peter PILLMAN. on map of 1710 as BUHLMANN; 1714 Tithables; 1747 petitioner. Joseph PUGAR. 1747 petitioner. Mathias REASONOVER. see also REZENOVER; 1714 Tithables; 1747 petitioner; died circa December 1747 ~FN] REMBLEY. possibly RAUBLY; on map of 1710. Richard REMER. see also RIMER; 1740 petitioner. Jon. Peter REMM. 1740 petitioner; named as one of the four to build the Church for High Germans. Michael REMM. 1740 petitioner. Peter REUTIGER. married a daughter of Christian JANTZ, named in a letter to Switzerland; also on map of 1710. Peter REYET. 1747 petitioner. Jacob REZENOVER. 1740 petitioner; executor of Mathias REASONOVER in 1747. Matthew REZENOVER. 1733 petitioner; 1740 petitioner; possibly Mathias REASONOVER above. John RIMER. 1740 petitioner (as REMER); 1747 petitioner. Nicholas RIMER. 1747 petitioner. Michael RISER. possibly KISER, also RASHER (deed circa 1744); 1747 petitioner. Casper RISHEED. 1740 petitioner (as REASHEAT); 1747 petitioner. Rudy RISTLER. possibly KISTLER; on map of 1710. Hans RUEGSEGGER. named in a letter to Switzerland; also on map of 1710. Hans RUEGSEGGER, Jr. named in a letter to Switzerland; died 26 February 1710/11. John Bernard SCHONEWOLF. 1714 Tithables (as CHANEYWOOLFE); 1714 Claims List (as CHAINEYWOOLFE); 1715 Land List (as CHANEY WOLFE); 1716 Land Tax; 1747 petitioner. Jacob SHEETS. 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1740 petitioner; 1749 Court Records listed as a Palatine. His daughters were Mary and Catherine (stock marks recorded in 1738). Jacob married second between June 1745 and September 1746, Civil FRANCK, the widow of Martin FRANCK (q.v.). 6 North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal Lawd. SHELFER. [Laudowick] possible Swiss-Palatine; 1714 Claims List; died before October 1715 (Craven Precinct Court Minutes). Michael SHELFER. possibly the same as Martin SHAVER in 1714 Claims List and 1715 Land List; 1747 petitioner. Tobias SHELFER. possible Swiss-Palatine; 1714 Claims List. Andrew SHIDING. possible Swiss-Palatine; 1714 Claims List. Anna Margaretha SIMON. daughter of Benedicht SIMON; married Andreas BEINMANN or WEINMANN from Mentzingen; named in a letter to Switzerland. Benedict SIMON. named in a letter to Switzerland. Mrs. Benedict [nee SCHADELI] SIMON. named in a letter to Switzerland. Johannes SIMON. named in a letter to Switzerland. Katherine SIMON [died at sea]. named in a letter to Switzerland. [Maria Magdelina SIMON]. daughter of Benedicht SIMON; stayed in London with husband Johann Heinrich HANS; named in a letter to Switzerland. Daniel SIMONS. 1747 petitioner. John SIMONS. 1740 petitioner; 1747 petitioner, possibly same as Johannes SIMON. Christopher SLOBBOCK, Jr. 1740 petitioner; possibly the 1747 petitioner, as Christian SLUBBACH had died by that time. John SLUBAK. 1714 Claims List; 1733 petitioner (as SABBARK). Christian SLUBBACH. also HUBBACH, SLAPAK, SLOBOCH, SLOBBOCK, SLOPAH, SLUBAK; 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1733 petitioner; 1740 petitioner; died circa March 1743. His possible children are: Christian, Jacob (died 1746), and Nicholas (died 1744, married Eliza). Also a Sarah SLOBOCH was listed as the orphan of Christian. George SNEIDOR. 1740 petitioner (as SNYDER); 1747 petitioner. Alexander STEEL. 1740 petitioner. Joseph STERN. of Riggisberg; died circa 1711; named in a letter to Switzerland. Daniel TETCHEY. could be DICHTLI above; 1714 Claims List (as DITEIIY); 1747 petitioner. [John] Gaspar TIMMERMAN. 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1715 Land List; 1716 Land Tax (as TEMBERMAN); 1722 will names wife Sevilla and daughter Mary Magdalena TIMMERMAN; also possibly ZIMMERMAN. Jacob VISEMER. also WISMER, WISEMOORE; 1714 Tithables; 1714 Claims List; 1716 Land Tax. Jackob WAHREN. of Zweysimmen; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. ~FN] WAHREN. brother of Jackob [q.v.]. Christen WALKER. with wife and eight children; Christen and wife died circa 1711, on map of 1710. Christian WALKER. son of Christen?; 1747 petitioner. Andrew WALLIS. 1747 petitioner. Anna Margreta [SIMON] WEINMANN. mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Andreas WEINMANN. of Mentzingen, mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. [NFN] WEIZER. possibly WERGER; on map of 1710. Johnes WISMER. see also VISEMER; on map of 1710; Jacob WISIMORE, 1715 Land List. Anna WULL. of Rtimligen; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. February 1997 7 Johannes ZANT. also ZAUTIN, ZAUGG; died 1711; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Katherine ZANT. died at sea; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Anna Eva ZANT. from Eriswil in the Vogtei of Trachselwald (Faust, 2:10); mentioned in a letter to Switzerland. Benedicht ZIONIEN. also ZIORJEN; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland and possibly also on map of 1710. Michael ZIORIEN [ZIONIEN?]. and mother [not named]; mentioned in a letter to Switzerland and possibly also on map of 1710. Jakob ZIORJEN. also ZEORGE, LEORGE; possibly on map of 1710. See information under Jacob MILLER. Caspar ZOLBEISS. possibly ZOBRIST or ZOBRIST; on map of 1710. Peter ZUSSEMAN [spelling?]. on map of 1710. Monzua ~LN]. a woman named in a letter to Switzerland; surname not provided. Other possible Swiss-Palatines most of these are listed in Craven County Court Minutes: Jos. CALLIO. Peter CALVERT. with wife Saloma. His estate probate in 1739 with Jacob SHEETS and Peter REMM, securities. John DEPT. also DEPP, DEIPT, DEEP; named by Berriheim as German; on 1723 Jury List. Andreas DORMAN. executor of Katherine WINN's will, October 1714. John and Mary DURIAN. Onesimus and Jacob FUTCH. brands recorded in 1739. John Jacob GRINDER. 1733 petitioner; Craven County Court Minutes, 1737. Woolrick HESS. guardian to John KINSEY, 1713. Jacob JOVEN. 1733 petitioner. Abraham and Mary MINNETT. orphans, 1713. Anne RASHET. possibly related to Caspar RISHEED; her son Lewis HANCOCK was apprenticed to William WHITEHEAD, June 1747. Christian Fred. SHARFIELD. gift deed to Peter ANDRAS, 1739. John Jacob SHEIBE. possibly also Jacob SCHEIVE; petitioned for water mill on Mill Creek, 1738. Jason SONISBORG. 1733 petition. Caspar SOWBRIDGE. will probated, "28 XB 1713" naming son, Peter; possible daughters Susan[nah] and Jan[ten?]. Named James CALLIO, executor; and also gave Andr. ROBERTS some items. Jacob TREAVER. John TROAT. George TROUTSETTER. also TRANTSETTER; orphan bound to Andreas DORMAN, complained of cruelty, and bound instead to John SCHONEWOOLF, as a Taylor. John VENDRICK. 1733 petition (as WENDRICK); received Henry PERLIPAH1s stock mark, 1738. 8 North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal Benadictus WENDRICK. 1733 petition. Johann WEXEL. also WAXDELL, WIXEDELL; with Henry PERLIPAH received land in April 1715 from Martin and Susannah FRANCK. Katherine WINN. will, 1714, names John SCHONEWOOLF, executor. Bibliography Bernheim, G. D. History ofthe German Settlements and ofthe Lutheran Church in North and South Carolina, from the Earliest Period ofthe Colonization of the Dutch, German, and Swiss Settlers to the Close of the First Half of the Present Century. Philadelphia, 1872: Reprint. Baltimore, MD: Regional Publishing Co., 1975. Cain, Robert J., ed. Records of the Executive Council, 1664-1734. Vol.7 of The Colonial Records ofNorth Carolina [Second Series]. Raleigh, NC: Division of Archives and History, 1984. "Petition of Craven Precinct for Altering the Seat of Government" (circa April 1733) is found on pages 301-303. Cited as 1733 Petition above. Cobb, Sanford H. The Story of the Palatines: An Episode in Colonial History. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1897. Faust, Albert Bernhardt and Gajus Marcus Brumbaugh. Lists ofSwiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies. 2 vo Is. in 1. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1972. Volume 2, pages 6-14, gives an account, using contemporaneous sources, of about 151 persons believed to have left Switzerland for North Carolina. Haun, Weynette Parks. Craven Precinct-County Court Minutes. 6 vols. to date. Durham, NC: Haun, 1978-. Volumes 1 and 2 contain Count Minutes from 1712 to 1741, with the years i71 6-1729 missing. These early volumes were consulted for names and are cited as Craven County Court records or minutes above. "The High German Chapel." Carolina and the Southern Cross (May 1914):8. Contains the 1740 petition for the building of a church for the use of the High Germans and the Church of England. Cited above as 1740 petition. Holloman, Charles R. "Craven County, North Carolina - It's Origin and Beginning." Seminar notes prepared for Local History Students, Craven Technical Institute, 1973. Holloman contains transcriptions of the 1714 claims list, 1714 tithables list, 1715 land tax list, and 1716 land tax list. Knittle, Walter Allen. Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration: A British Government Redemptioner Project to Manufacture Naval Stores. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1970. February 1997 9 "The Palatines and their Descendants." Carolina and the Southern Cross (March 1914):l5-19. Saunders, William L., ed. The Colonial Records ofNorth Carolina. 10 Vols. Raleigh, NC: State of North Carolina, 1886-90. Volume 4, pages 954-956, contains the 1747 petition of the Paletines to King George II, and gives a brief history of their settlement. Cited above as 1747 petition. Schelbert, Leo, ed. America Expenenced. Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Accounts ofSwiss Immigrants to the United States. Camden, ME: Picton Press, 1996. Includes some of the same letters in Todd's volume, as well as accounts of Swiss immigrants to other states. Todd, Vincent H., ed. Christoph von Graffenried's Account of the Founding of New Bern: Edited with an Historical Introduction and an English Translation. Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Company, 1973. Includes letters written around 1711 by Swiss from New Bern to their relatives. 10 North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal

I hope we deny access to subscribers with no respect for other genealogists. Barbara

ME TOO !! I agree wholeheartedly with both Janice and Anne.

>From: "Joyce Lund" <lundway@rockisland.com> >To: WashingtonDC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WashingtonDC-L] Fw: SOLDIER >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:46:26 -0700 > >Memorial Day Tribute > > >JUST A SIMPLE SOLDIER >He was getting old and paunchy >And his hair was falling fast, >And he sat around the Legion, >Telling stories of the past. > >Of a war that he had fought in And the deeds that he had done. In his >exploits with his buddies; >They were heroes, everyone. >And 'tho sometimes, to his neighbors, >His tales became a joke, >All his buddies listened, >For they knew whereof he spoke. > >But we'll hear his tales no longer, >For ol' Bob has passed away, >And the world's a little poorer, >For a soldier died today. > >He won't be mourned by many, >Just his children and his wife. >For he lived an ordinary, >Very quiet sort of life. > >He held a job and raised a family, Quietly going on his way; >And the world won't note his passing; >'tho a Soldier died today. >When politicians leave this earth, Their bodies lie in state, While >thousands note their passing, And proclaim that they were great. >Papers tell of their life stories, > >From the time that they were young, >But the passing of a soldier, >Goes unnoticed, and unsung. >Is the greatest contribution, >To the welfare of our land, >Some jerk who breaks his promise, And cons his fellow man? >Or the ordinary fellow, >Who in times of war and strife, >Goes off to serve his Country >And offers up his life? > >The politician's stipend >And the style in which he lives, >Are sometimes disproportionate, To the service he gives. >While the ordinary soldier, >Who offered up his all, >Is paid off with a medal >And perhaps a pension, small. > >It's so easy to forget them, >For it is so long ago, >That our Bob's and Jim's and Johnny's, Went to battle, but we know. >It was not the politicians, With their compromise and ploys, Who won for us >the freedom, That our Country now enjoys. >Should you find yourself in danger, With your enemies at hand, Would you >really want some cop-out, With his ever waffling stand? >Or would you want a Soldier, >Who has sworn to defend, >His home, his kin, and Country, >And would fight until the end? > >He was just a common Soldier >And his ranks are growing thin, >But his presence should remind us, We may need his like again. >For when countries are in conflict, >Then we find the Soldier's part, >Is to clean up all the troubles, >That the politicians start. > >If we cannot do him honor, While he's here to hear the praise, Then at least >let's give him homage, At the ending of his days. >Perhaps just a simple headline, >in the paper that might say: >"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIER DIED TODAY." >Author Unknown > >______________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

>From: "Joyce Lund" <lundway@rockisland.com> >To: WashingtonDC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WashingtonDC-L] Fw: SOLDIER >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:46:26 -0700 > >Memorial Day Tribute > > >JUST A SIMPLE SOLDIER >He was getting old and paunchy >And his hair was falling fast, >And he sat around the Legion, >Telling stories of the past. > >Of a war that he had fought in And the deeds that he had done. In his >exploits with his buddies; >They were heroes, everyone. >And 'tho sometimes, to his neighbors, >His tales became a joke, >All his buddies listened, >For they knew whereof he spoke. > >But we'll hear his tales no longer, >For ol' Bob has passed away, >And the world's a little poorer, >For a soldier died today. > >He won't be mourned by many, >Just his children and his wife. >For he lived an ordinary, >Very quiet sort of life. > >He held a job and raised a family, Quietly going on his way; >And the world won't note his passing; >'tho a Soldier died today. >When politicians leave this earth, Their bodies lie in state, While >thousands note their passing, And proclaim that they were great. >Papers tell of their life stories, > >From the time that they were young, >But the passing of a soldier, >Goes unnoticed, and unsung. >Is the greatest contribution, >To the welfare of our land, >Some jerk who breaks his promise, And cons his fellow man? >Or the ordinary fellow, >Who in times of war and strife, >Goes off to serve his Country >And offers up his life? > >The politician's stipend >And the style in which he lives, >Are sometimes disproportionate, To the service he gives. >While the ordinary soldier, >Who offered up his all, >Is paid off with a medal >And perhaps a pension, small. > >It's so easy to forget them, >For it is so long ago, >That our Bob's and Jim's and Johnny's, Went to battle, but we know. >It was not the politicians, With their compromise and ploys, Who won for us >the freedom, That our Country now enjoys. >Should you find yourself in danger, With your enemies at hand, Would you >really want some cop-out, With his ever waffling stand? >Or would you want a Soldier, >Who has sworn to defend, >His home, his kin, and Country, >And would fight until the end? > >He was just a common Soldier >And his ranks are growing thin, >But his presence should remind us, We may need his like again. >For when countries are in conflict, >Then we find the Soldier's part, >Is to clean up all the troubles, >That the politicians start. > >If we cannot do him honor, While he's here to hear the praise, Then at >least >let's give him homage, At the ending of his days. >Perhaps just a simple headline, >in the paper that might say: >"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIER DIED TODAY." >Author Unknown > >______________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

>From: "Joyce Lund" <lundway@rockisland.com> >To: WashingtonDC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WashingtonDC-L] Fw: SOLDIER >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:46:26 -0700 > >Memorial Day Tribute > > >JUST A SIMPLE SOLDIER >He was getting old and paunchy >And his hair was falling fast, >And he sat around the Legion, >Telling stories of the past. > >Of a war that he had fought in And the deeds that he had done. In his >exploits with his buddies; >They were heroes, everyone. >And 'tho sometimes, to his neighbors, >His tales became a joke, >All his buddies listened, >For they knew whereof he spoke. > >But we'll hear his tales no longer, >For ol' Bob has passed away, >And the world's a little poorer, >For a soldier died today. > >He won't be mourned by many, >Just his children and his wife. >For he lived an ordinary, >Very quiet sort of life. > >He held a job and raised a family, Quietly going on his way; >And the world won't note his passing; >'tho a Soldier died today. >When politicians leave this earth, Their bodies lie in state, While >thousands note their passing, And proclaim that they were great. >Papers tell of their life stories, > >From the time that they were young, >But the passing of a soldier, >Goes unnoticed, and unsung. >Is the greatest contribution, >To the welfare of our land, >Some jerk who breaks his promise, And cons his fellow man? >Or the ordinary fellow, >Who in times of war and strife, >Goes off to serve his Country >And offers up his life? > >The politician's stipend >And the style in which he lives, >Are sometimes disproportionate, To the service he gives. >While the ordinary soldier, >Who offered up his all, >Is paid off with a medal >And perhaps a pension, small. > >It's so easy to forget them, >For it is so long ago, >That our Bob's and Jim's and Johnny's, Went to battle, but we know. >It was not the politicians, With their compromise and ploys, Who won for us >the freedom, That our Country now enjoys. >Should you find yourself in danger, With your enemies at hand, Would you >really want some cop-out, With his ever waffling stand? >Or would you want a Soldier, >Who has sworn to defend, >His home, his kin, and Country, >And would fight until the end? > >He was just a common Soldier >And his ranks are growing thin, >But his presence should remind us, We may need his like again. >For when countries are in conflict, >Then we find the Soldier's part, >Is to clean up all the troubles, >That the politicians start. > >If we cannot do him honor, While he's here to hear the praise, Then at >least >let's give him homage, At the ending of his days. >Perhaps just a simple headline, >in the paper that might say: >"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIER DIED TODAY." >Author Unknown > >______________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

In a message dated 5/27/99 3:36:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, olenk@reliable-net.net writes: << Hi, I resent the language that is used or implied by Mr Kornegay. Let him e-mail the person privately. I don't use that language, nor allow it in my house. Janice >> I second that!!! Chris Clack

>Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@earthlink.net> >To: <alewellen@earthlink.net> >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > >The original message was received at Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:29 -0700 (PDT) >from 1Cust224.tnt4.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [208.253.133.224] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ><NC Duplin-L@rootsweb.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to bl-3.rootsweb.com.: >>>> RCPT To:<NC.Duplin-L@rootsweb.com> ><<< 550 <NC.Duplin-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >550 <NC Duplin-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >Reporting-MTA: dns; avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net >Received-From-MTA: DNS; 1Cust224.tnt4.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net >Arrival-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:29 -0700 (PDT) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; NC.Duplin-L@rootsweb.com >Action: failed >Status: 5.1.1 >Remote-MTA: DNS; bl-3.rootsweb.com >Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <NC.Duplin-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from default (1Cust224.tnt4.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [208.253.133.224]) > by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06694 > for <NC Duplin-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:29 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527210056.007c2470@earthlink.net> >X-Sender: alewellen@earthlink.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:00:56 -0500 >To: NC.Duplin-L@rootsweb.com >From: Anne Lewellen <alewellen@earthlink.net> >Subject: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I agree with Janice about Mr. Kornegay's vulgar language. I do not think >there is any place for it on the rootsweb. Anne > >

Hi, I resent the language that is used or implied by Mr Kornegay. Let him e-mail the person privately. I don't use that language, nor allow it in my house. Janice NCDUPLIN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.1Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) > > Part 1.2Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) > > Part 1.3Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) > > Part 1.4Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) > > Part 1.5Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) > > Part 1.6Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822)

Is anyone on the list living in Duplin co. who can or will do some research for me? I am researching my WATKINS line and would like to have copies of deeds, marriages, wills, etc. Or maybe someone can tell me where to write to find this information. Thanks so much. Vicki K

Well listers, I can only say from MY experiences with ancestors wills. Possibly many others will disagree with me, but will state my beliefs. Ususally the wife is always mentioned first. If no living wife, then normally it is the eldest child mentioned first. Children normally are named in order from eldest down to the youngest, unless you get one of those wills where all children are not personally named. Maybe one child is named to receive the bulk, when you know they had many other children. Sometimes that child is youngest, sometimes he is the oldest, but rarely a middle child. Then you have wills where all the sons are named, then all the daughters are named, but still they are in quite good birth order, oldest to youngest. You just have a lot of fun tracking their ages from census, just to know where to place them. Sometimes only sons are named when all the children are of married age, simply because it was thought that daughters husbands would be obligated to provide for their care. And quite often daughters were given large dowries at the time of their marriage, and thus releases the father of further obligation. Also sometimes wives when mentioned after some childrens names---quite often you will find that she is a second wife, then the following children are THEIR children. The most heartbreaking is the wills where is only stated, "my wife and my children"! If you have definite names to work with, then other records can be used to establish their age bracket. Mamie ----- Original Message ----- From: Marvin J Southard <southard@interpath.com> To: <NCDUPLIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Wills of 1800 > Sherri Draper wrote: > > Does any one know-when children are listed in wills of this time period, > > are they usually listed in order according to age? Can I assume that > > the last child listed would be the youngest? > > Sherry, > > I waited to see if a more experienced researcher would answer your question. > Since I have not seen an answer, I'll give my rookie genealogy opinion. > > I have noticed in some very early wills (1600s) that a very much loved wife > might be the first one mentioned. After that might come the sons, then the > daughters. I have wondered if the daughters were left completely out of a > few, since only sons were listed. If the wife came after the sons, I wonder > how important she was. > > By 1800, it seems to me the children are listed in whatever order they happen > to come to the mind of the person stating what he wants done with his earthly > belongings. Sometimes a child might even be mentioned more than once. > > I don't believe you can assume anything, but this may incorrect. I wish > someone else would comment. > > Lura > > ______________________________

Will the listowner please contact me privately? Thanks. Fran powell@cvn.net