List, As much as I appreciate Dee's enthusiasm, I fail to understand the rationale for forwarding J. J. Franks e-mail to the List. From the addresses, it appears the mail was sent to Dee privately, as it should have been. But, regardless of how it came to be on the List, it's here. I for one, appreciate J. J. Franks' concern over this issue and applaude the fact that she addressed it privately. I certainly hope J J Franks received a private reply in addition to her letter being broadcast on a Mailing List, where it obviously has no place being. I've met many serious researchers from this list and have contacted, and been contacted privately, to discuss certain families and information more thoroughly. The Lists are valuable tools and can provide a wealth of information when used correctly. Unfortuantely, this one appears to be on it's way to becoming a battlefield for those with differing views, and I, for one, have more productive ways to spend my limited research time. My thanks to those who've shared information with me in the past and have contacted me seeking more information. It's been a pleasure and I hope you'll continue to write. I'm unsubscribing to the Duplin List, but will be always be avaiable to those who wish to pursue serious genealogical research. Sincerely, Chris Swinson

--part1_0.9f84174d.255e081f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_0.9f84174d.255e081f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: PKPugh@aol.com From: PKPugh@aol.com Full-name: PKPugh Message-ID: <0.367daaaa.255dd05b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:19:39 EST Subject: Re: Free distribution of other people's work To: MarionBMc@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 I think everyone that is interested in the Duplin co. website feels the same. I have a lot of relatives in Duplin co. I also have not ask Dee for anything. I feel there should be more people like her in the world. It makes me miss home all the more (N.C.). Dee, keep up the good work! Pam from Georgia --part1_0.9f84174d.255e081f_boundary--

If I have read it correctly, Joyce Franks sent Dee an email privately and Dee posted it to the list. Why? Joyce Franks had a right to her opinion but, it never should have been posted to the list. This is between Dee and Joyce not the list. Why were we caught up in the discussion? Maybe now we can get on with Duplin County Genealogy. Lorrie Patterson

There are so many William Thomas's! I thought I had them all straight, then I come upon another that throws me off. I hope someone can help me. Here is what I have: 1. William Thomas married to Hannah Ashton, died 1781, per will in Duplin. 2. William Thomas married to Celia Gregory, died abt Apr 1822, per will in Duplin. 3. William Thomas married to Celia Gregory, died betw 1811 and 1812 per will in unknown county or state. The person who supplied this information has an email address that is no longer valid. (Could this be Billis or Billy instead of William? I think this will is in GA or SC.) 4. William Thomas married to Celia Gregory, died July 30, 1819 in Duplin County. I would not have given this a second thought had there not been an exact date. Could this be the death date for Celia instead? William signed a will in Arpil 1820, so he could not have died in 1819! Can anyone identify who really died Apr. 1812 and July 30, 1819. Thanks again, Confused Judy

Ha. This is almost funny. Except that Mr. Franks is serious about his opinions.. And that is all that his comments are, his opinion. When I look at the letter head on the stationary that Dee included with the information she sent to me I feel sure she has more than adequate resources to make sound decisions concerning such things as ethics, plagiarism, and good intentions.... Carry on Dee. Tom Wood

Dee, Thanks for the info you sent me, I think it will help a lot. I think my John goes back to John son of John and Jean Kenan Hill. In one of the deeds it says that she would not sign the deed that her husband left to him. So maybe they had some kind of fude going on. I really think I'm on the right track. Paula and Bill that is looking for wills on the hills, I have some of the wills for back then, also I have a couple of people that is tracing the Buckner Line, and Justice. Will you past this on so they can get in touch with me. If they want their names. Again keep up the great work. Thanks, Donna

Hi list, It always amazes me when something good turns into bad. I was so enjoying all the info that Dee has sent about my family. There are a lot of researchers out there that can't make it to libraries and etc. Also there are an of people that can't afford to buy all the books they need for research. Keep up the good work Dee. We love you for it. Jeanie

Hello List! The information I had asked Dee to look up for me was not contained in any of the books she has. I would not be willing to purchase a book for $30.00, sight unseen, with the hopes that it MIGHT have one person I am researching. So the statement that the Societies and authors are loosing money in sales because of Dee's look ups, is without merit. Quite the contrary, in my opinion. If the results had been opposite, it would be a book that I would gladly purchase, knowing it held so much information for me. If I'm not mistaken, the books Dee is getting info from are books that are available at libraries and genealogy societies. The information from these books is AVAILABLE FREE OF CHARGE to anyone who can GET TO a library that carries the books. I am one of many subscribers who live more than 1200 miles away one of those libraries and therefore do not have access to the information that is provided for free to residents who can walk to the library for it. Nor can I stop at the court house on my way home from work to look up FREE information. The service that Dee is providing is in no way plagiarism. She has repeated again and again the source of the information and where she got these books. She has never once, laid claim to any information she is passing along to other folks. Yes, the authors of the books DID spend countless hours compiling the information that THEY recieved for FREE with the exception of their time. Not to mention the information THEY included in their published books that was DONATED by researchers like ourselves. Is it noted in these books, which information was donated and by whom? Maybe J. J. Franks needs to look up the word plagiarize and see if the authors of these books are not guilty of such. Let's see now..what was that definition of plagiarize again: Plagiarize - to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source That, by the way was quoted from the online Merriam-Webster Dictionairy. Am I now a plagiarist? Keep up the good work Dee! Judy

I would like to unsubcribe....Could you pls confirm. Carey

Hi again! I'm looking for the parents of the following person: William Thomas Sr. born abt. 1804 died Aug 25,1873 Wife is: Sena Sandlin Born Feb 2,1813 died March 2,1903 Can anyone help? Thanks! Judy

Have I missed something in an earlier posting that would explain why so many messages are being sent to the list when they would appear to be intended for only one person? Regards, Strephon Johnson Baltimore, MD strephon@erols.com

Hi. Does anyone have access to the 1810 and 1820 census that would be willing to look up two people for me. William Thomas and Gregory Thomas, father and son. I have page numbers: 1810 Gregory Thomas page 30 William Thomas page 32 1820 Gregory Thomas page 186 William Thomas page 166 I believe that William, the father is living in Gregory's household. So it's possible that the William above is not who I'm looking for. Thanks so much! Judy

-----Original Message----- From: Franksjj@aol.com <Franksjj@aol.com> To: D7777@worldnet.att.net <D7777@worldnet.att.net> Cc: Franksjj@aol.com <Franksjj@aol.com> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Free distribution of other people's work >Dear Ms. Thompson: > >I am surprised that you would suggest that people might voluntarily forward >to Bladen County Historical Society a small fee for photocopies they receive >from you, that the society could use those fees to help with publication >expenses. > >You would be doing a far greater service to Bladen County Historical Society >if you would mention each publication by title and tell your patrons how to >purchase the book from which you lift information. The "voluntary photocopy >fees" you suggest are insulting to both the author/compiler and the society. >A person interested in using the information in a scholarly way might >purchase the publication and could cite his source in an acceptable way. The >margin of profit in Bladen County HS is probably as small as that of every >other society which is trying to get records into print! > >It makes me very uncomfortable to read that you are expecting another large >shipment of books. You undoubtedly are useful to a number of people and >receive personal satisfaction for your efforts, but the bottom line is that >you are putting yourself between the societies and their potential market. > >I have no problem with researchers helping one another; that is an important >and rewarding part of genealogical research. I have a serious problem with >persons who set themselves up as a source of information without giving >apprpriate credit to those who did the research; those who sat for hours in >front of microfilm readers, those who spent hours proofing and correcting >manuscripts; who made the arrangements for publication! > >Many of those same people donated their manuscripts to the historical >societies with the expectation that sales of the books would contribute to >the financial security of the societies. Failure to give appropriate credit >to the source of information in any one of those publications cheats the >society which made the information accessible in the first place! > >You may well not agree with the points I am trying to present, but I hope you >will at least amend your "service" to give credit where credit is due. >Better yet, confine your broadcast of information to your own original work. >I also suggest that you look up the word "plagiarize" in any dictionary. > >J. J. Franks >

Jane Grimes, Nancy Malprus and Catherine Grimes are the married daughters of Felix Fredrick/Frederick (1831) Joseph and Ellender Grimes are the parents of Charles, John, Joseph, James, Thomas and an unborn child (1779) Sampson Grimes (no wife mentioned) is the father of Jesse, James, William, Easter Grimes Branch and Nancy Grimes Stroud (1828) Now What? Dee -----Original Message----- From: CGT714@aol.com <CGT714@aol.com> To: d7777@worldnet.att.net <d7777@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Grimes >In a message dated 11/11/1999 12:52:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, >d7777@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< Catherine( a james m a Catherine Veale, wonder if that is her) > Charles( havn't seen this one) > Ellender( hers neither, widow of JOseph?). > Hugh (have this,if 1780) > James (have not seen this either) > Jane """"""""""""" > Jesse """""""""(G'son of HUGH????) > John """""""" > Joseph 1783??? > Mary ??????? > Salley ??????? > Sampson/Samson Have his. > Thomas ????????? > William ????????? >

This is the most discouraging words I could ever witness. I have admired the caring, diligence, and unselfish attitude of Dee Thompson in helping all these people trying to find their ancestors for a long time. And NO....Dee Thompson has never done one thing for me. I may have Duplin County ancestors that she could help me with--I hope I do, but I haven't determined that yet. She buys these books. She gives her investment and her time back to the public. How can anyone knock that? I think she should charge for her services and to heck with the Bladen County Historical Society!! She was trying to be of service to someone she thought needed it instead of being conservative and even getting her costs back. You can bet your bottom dollar that I wouldn't bother to purchase a book endorsed by the Bladen County Historical Society after this tirade! I have never seen anyone kick a gift horse in the mouth so blatantly in all my life!! I have a web site and put my labors (and my dollars) out there for anyone to pluck and am happy to do so. That is what sincere genealogical research is all about! Marion Banks McGee BANKS, BARNHILL, COX, HARDEE, JARRELL, NORRIS, SOLES, WEST <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~marionbmc/">http://www.geocities.com/~mario nbmc/</A> <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/g/Marion-B-Mcgee/index.html">Fa mily Tree Maker's Genealogy Site:User Home Pages:The Marion Banks McGee Home Page</A>

Carole, This one has taken awhile, and I think that I'm as disappointed as you will be. I can find absolutely nothing on this family other than Lutsen Stroud, Jr's Will that does not mention Lott and John as brothers, although it does list as executor a brother Arthur. The Will also lists Lutsen's children and none were named Lott or John. Dee -----Original Message----- From: Carole Vennerstrom <thevenners@willmar.com> To: Dee Thompson <d7777@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: Look-up I am a descendent of John Stroud who first shows up in the Muhlenburg County KY census in 1820. He married Rachel Bidwell in Muhlenburg County in 1811. We think Lott Stroud came to KY about 1806, in time to appear in the 1810 census, and that John, who was 11 year younger may have moved with the family -- We are not certain of the relationship. Lott was married to Nancy Grimes, daughter of Sampson Grimes and Behsheba Winders of Duplin County. Lott was the holder of the grant for land on Cypress Creek. John was the executor of Lott's will [which I have].Lenoir/Duplin County. In the Duplin County Deed Book, Court Minutes of Pleas and Quarter Session: [[Abstract 1784-1787 by Leora H. McEachern] P 64, Date July 19, 1802. ".Lott Stroud applied as Constable and gave bond" P 70, Date Oct 18, 1802. "ordered Lott Stroud, Constable, to attend Grand Jury" P 76, Date Oct 19, "Allowed Lott Stroud 20 [money] for attending court as constable 2 days this term." Date Jan 1803, "Deed Richard Bradley to Uhria Sullivan for 145 acres, proved by Lott Stroud. Ordered registered." Book 6 1803-1805 P 2, "Applied Thomas Grimes, a constable in room of Lott Stroud. He gave bond." This would have been about the time that our Lott Stroud took his bride, Nancy Grimes and left for Kentucky, arriving 1806. Other information: From Kentucky Land Grants Chapter - Grants South of the Green River " A group of records entered from 1797 to 1806 known as Grants South of the Green River comprises twenty-nine books and includes 15,730 grants. These were also known as "Headright Grants," and were based upon an act of the Kentucky General Assembly of December 21, 1795, and are listed in Chapter IV. Prior to the establishment of Kentucky as a state, Virginia had reserved for her soldiers all the lands south of Green River. These were encompassed by a line .......... Until 1797 no one person could enter a survey within this great reservation except a soldier. When Kentucky as a sovereign state took charge of her vacant lands, new legislation opened up this great reservation south of the Green River to any person possessed of a family and over twenty-one years of age.. Such persons were entitled to not less than 100 acres or more than 200 acres, but must have been bona fide settlers on the land for one year before they came into actual possession." Lott is listed as grantee of 100 acres on Cypress Creek in Christian County, surveyed 12-3-1798 [when he was 20 years old]; and 8--1804, 100 acres on Cypress Creek in Muhlenberg County when he would have been 27 years old. According to what we have he didn't move to Kentucky with his family till 1806. It makes you wonder if the surveys could have been ordered by the older Lott Stroud who was the Revolutionary War Soldier. There were a Lott and John Stroud from Lenoir/Duplin who served in Major John Asche's 9th Carolina. That John is tracked by the DAR to Georgia where he died. Of Lott I have been able to find no further reference in Lenoir/Duplin. No pension applications or anything else, yet. He may have gone elsewhere, but I haven't tracked him down yet. Were Lott and John Stroud, Revolutionary War Soldiers, sons of Lutsen Stroud Sr. and brothers of Lutsen Stroud, Jr.? I found a reference to them in the Heritage of Lenoir County, 1981, as uncles of Isaac Stroud, Sr., [1791-1871]. The names of Lott and John first appear in Lenoir County during the Revolutionary War and then again in Muhlenberg County, KY in 1820. I have to believe there is a connection. I appreciate any help you can give. Is there any further documentation that would suggest who the father or fathers of the Lott and John who moved to KY were? Any land transactions near the time they would have left? I also haven't been able to find Nancy and Lott's marriage records. According to the info I have they had several children when they arrived in KY. As I have read on the list what you are doing, I am amazed by your generosity and the joy you take in what you are doing. Thank You Carole Vennerstrom Willmar, MN

Judy, I'm so sorry that it took me so long to reply. There is no Gregory Hall listed. The only entry with an initial "G" is Albert G. Hall and he is not cross-referenced in any other Hall Will. In the Duplin Abstracts there is not an initial "G" or a Gregory. Dee -----Original Message----- From: Judy <mvolker@unicomp.net> To: d7777@worldnet.att.net <d7777@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Hall >Judy wrote: >> >> Dee, >> >> I sure wish I knew names and dates. I'm looking for a Gregory Hall, >> Gregory could even be a middle name, but he was probably born around >> 1800, so who ever his parents might be. If I go on the assumption that >> the sons are named after close relatives and ancestors, I would have to >> guess his father to be Lewis, John, William or Nicholas. There is also a >> possibility that his father is Drew Hall. I have will info on Drury Hall >> born abt. 1780 and don't think he is who we are looking for. >> >> I was hoping that there wouldn't be too many Halls back then. If there >> are, let me know. I can wait until I go to NC next summer. I might be >> able to find out by location, instead of name. >> >> Thanks so much for your time! >> Judy >> >> Dee Thompson wrote: >> > >> > Judy, >> > A bunch. Do you have any first names or years? >> > Dee >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Judy <mvolker@unicomp.net> >> > To: Dee Thompson <d7777@worldnet.att.net> >> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 6:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Hall >> > >> > >Dee, >> > > >> > >Duplin. I'm sorry! I didn't realize you are doing two counties. You must >> > >be REALLY busy. You are so kind to give so much of your time in helping >> > >all of us! >> > > >> > >Thanks for being you! >> > >Judy >> >> > >

I am looking for info on my Jones line. Benjamin A Jones m Sarah Rabon or Herndon 1850 Children: Abigail Virginia Jones 08 Oct 1856 Benjamin Franklin Jones Feb 1858 Mark Anthony Jones 11 Sept1861 Rebecca Elizabeth Jones 28 Feb 1863 John Paul Jones 26 Dec 1866 Benjamin Franklin m Anna E. Henry b abt 1848 Married 4/23/1875 Children: William Francis Jones 17 Feb 1877 Benjamin Michael Jones Abt 1878 Lillian Elizabeth Jones Abt 1880 William Francis Jones m Dorothy Atlanta West 02 Feb 1899 in Wilmington Does anyone have info on this family. Lorrie Patterson

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