It might be helpful to Google North Carolina Marriage Bonds, which will take you to the North Carolina Department of Archives website on the subject. Marriage bonds were posted in the bride's county of residence by the groom prior to an impending marriage to guarantee there was no legal impediment to the marriage. Archives has thousands of these bonds from all over the state which it has indexed - a master index. Some counties are missing but not Orange. It was not until the 19th century marriage certificates were filed with the bond. Another document is the Orange County index to its bonds. Since the County was founded in 1752 that may be why the index is so dated. Some early Orange County records were lost and never made it to Archives. Archives may or may not have the bond but the master index should let you know whether they have it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ava H. Nackman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:09 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from before 1781. Marty, I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. Ann Myhre Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are looking for, I will check the indexes. - Richard Jack Ricketts wrote: > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have the > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > TIA > Jack Ricketts > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Ava, >> >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives & >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did you >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >> >> >> martydar >> >> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I could >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed in >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that date >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept in >> that year that just weren't collected before then? >> >> >> >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I was >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >> >> >> >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some idea. >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ava >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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For the information of everyone looking for Orange County marriage bonds, here's what the NC Collection at the Durham County Library has: 1) "Index to marriage bonds filed in the North Carolina States Archives" on microfilm. 2) Ruth Herndon Shields' "Two hundred and two early marriages 1752-1800: found in Orange County, NC, wills which do not appear in the collected marriage bonds." Some general information about marriage bonds for NC: The marriage bonds for NC were abstracted in the 1930s by National Youth Administration Project workers. William Perry Johnson, who edited and published "The North Carolinian: A Quarterly Journal of Genealogy and History," says this about Orange County marriage bonds (v. 4, no. 1, March 1958): ORANGE CO. (formed 1752) -- All marriage bonds 1752-1778 are missing. There are around 8000 marriage bonds preserved for the 1779-1868 period; the originals are in the Archives in Raleigh. Marriage records in the courthouse date from 1851. He also says in a subsequent issue: "Less than 2500 marriage bonds have been preserved for the entire state of North Carolina for the 1741-1778 period. Approximately 7500 marriage bonds (75%) of all issued 1741-1778) have been lost or destroyed or are missing. Since only one-third of the marriages performed in North Carolina 1741-1778 were by license and bond (the other two-thirds were by banns), and since three-quarters of the marriage bonds are lost, this total of 2500 marriage bonds that have been preserved represents less than 10% of all marriage performed between 1741 and 1778." To all D-OGS members--please let me know if I can be of any help to you in your search. Lynn Lynn Richardson North Carolina Collection Durham County Library (919) 560-0171 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Richmond Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:52 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County It might be helpful to Google North Carolina Marriage Bonds, which will take you to the North Carolina Department of Archives website on the subject. Marriage bonds were posted in the bride's county of residence by the groom prior to an impending marriage to guarantee there was no legal impediment to the marriage. Archives has thousands of these bonds from all over the state which it has indexed - a master index. Some counties are missing but not Orange. It was not until the 19th century marriage certificates were filed with the bond. Another document is the Orange County index to its bonds. Since the County was founded in 1752 that may be why the index is so dated. Some early Orange County records were lost and never made it to Archives. Archives may or may not have the bond but the master index should let you know whether they have it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ava H. Nackman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:09 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from before 1781. Marty, I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. Ann Myhre Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are looking for, I will check the indexes. - Richard Jack Ricketts wrote: > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have the > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > TIA > Jack Ricketts > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Ava, >> >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives & >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did you >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >> >> >> martydar >> >> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I could >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed in >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that date >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept in >> that year that just weren't collected before then? >> >> >> >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I was >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >> >> >> >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some idea. >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ava >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message