I'm sure you have all heard of Hinshaw's Quaker History available in most libraries. Also the Immigrations of Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania 1662 to 1750 by Myers---tough to find sometimes--- but I think it is in Raleigh. I did not see any reference to Hart or Rush in the index in my copy. Jim Lindley ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: [NCDOGS] Quakers Noon, Tuesday, Sept. 4 It happens that there is a radio program beginning now on WUNC FM entitled "How the Quakers Invented America" that many of you may find interesting. If you cannot listen to the radio right now, you may access the program by going to WUNC.org and clicking on the title of the program. From there you can listen to it at a later time. It says this about the program: "How the Quakers Invented America Send to a friend Tuesday, September 4 2007 Until the start of the eighteenth century, the only organized religion in North Carolina was the Religious Society of Friends…or, The Quakers. Their founding principles of peace, freedom and equality influenced not just the state’s earliest communities, but also our modern nation. Frank Stasio learns about the Quakers from David Yount, author of “How the Quakers Invented America” (Rowman & Littlefield/2007), Max Carter, director of the Guilford College Friends Center and Bill Leonard, dean and professor of church history at Wake Forest University Divinity School." You may choose to download the RSS feed and listen to it at a later date on your computer, PDA or other device. Carol Boggs ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much for your prompt and most interesting reply. I am quite familiar with the Rush and Hart histories which you presented. I have done significant research at PA Historical Society and have the data you describe. I have a most interesting family tree which I found at the PHS which I would be glad to share if you are interested. It is done in simply beautiful calligraphy...about 4 feet by 5 feet...I make it 11 by 17 and tape it together...of several very complete generations from Capt John Rush...maybe 4 or 5. You are right about there being a William in that line but that is not mine. If you do not have this documentation I think you would find it not only very beautiful but very informative. I also have a copy of a study done by "the Signer" giving his thoughts about Capt John Rush's ancestors for several generations but it is not documented too well...I could share that if you don't have it. To the best of my research now I am descended from a Wm Rush who lived in Westmoreland Co VA and I found in PA copies of letters written from the Signer to him..calling him "cousin" in more occasions than one. Other researchers have come to that same conclusions I have later found out. So I must be descended from a generation behind Capt John but that remains a research question for me. As I indicated my family and I for generations had been friends and close neighbors of the Harts in KY. I am past 80 and as a child my next door neighbors whom I dearly loved were Miss Maggie and Miss Sallie Hart...in their mid to late 80's. They were the daughters of John Hart who built a very beautiful home in Hardin Co. KY after the War between the States...it is restored now and quite a showplace. John Hart moved into Elizabethtown in the early 1900's and was a bank trustee in addition to other activities of leadership. John Hart was the great grandson of Henry Hart Sr. who had moved to Meade Co KY from Fayette Co. PA in the late 1700's. It is believed that he was with the famous PA Crawford forces that fought the Sandusky Indians. There was another Hart that came into KY...a Miles Hart...I think it was Bullitt Co and he too was a famous Indian fighter. Several of my families came with the Harts about the same time from Fayette Co Pa to Meade Co...a county just West of Louisville on the Ohio River. If it seems that you have a connection to any of these Hart families I have some good sketches of the families...their large families and marriages and their contributions to the development of the state of Kentucky...stories that came out of the 1975 publication of the history of Hardin County. by McClure...that I could copy for you if you are interested. Thank you again for your response...send me your snail mail address if you wish any of the above...and do keep an eye out for my John Rush that married a Nancy Wilhite...I do not have his parents but I know (because of a will of one of the Wm) he was descended from Wm I, Wm II, Wm III...Wm I being a cousin of the Signer...how close I need to research ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks, Brenda, I will check this out. Betty -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JOHN H CADDELL Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Need assistance Hello Betty, I found a James Dollar,Jr in Orange Co, NC, 1830 census, with one son under 5 and one son under 10. His age is 30-40. In 1840 there is a James Dollar in Caldwell Co, Ky, age 40-50 with one son under 10, 2 sons 10-15 and 2 sons 15-20. He was born in NC. Maybe you could check into this line. Hope it helps. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [NCDOGS] Need assistance > > > > > > > At the time I joined NCDOGS, I didn't know if it would be worthwhile, > since > I live in Oregon. I didn't know how much I would enjoy reading the > postings > such as the current discussions of the history of Orange County and > surroundings of NC. These postings today, about the reasons the earlier > settlers left for new areas, has been very informative and very > interesting. > > > > I live in Oregon and have been doing a genealogical study of my ancestors > on > my mother's parents for about three years. I joined NCDOGS hoping I could > get some help from the members in locating any information about the > Dollar > family who lived in Orange County NC from approx. 1820 or earlier. My > gggrandfather was Marion Morgan Dollar, b. 1825, d. 1888 in Arkansas, was > born in either NC or VA. Census records from 1870 show him born in VA; > others show NC. His brother, Martin Samuel Dollar, was born in 1821. > Throughout the mid-1880s, they lived very close to each other in Arkansas. > > > > My problem is I can find no record of the identity of their parents. I > have > felt for some time that the historical records in NC must hold an answer > to > this problem, but I am not physically able to come back there to do a > search. > > > > I found a book written by Jerry Alsup of Mississippi called, "Finding My > Last Dollar". Unfortunately for me, this book deals primarily with the > Dollars in Alabama and Mississippi and very little about the Arkansas > Dollars. However, there is a paragraph on pg. 44 which shows that in the > 1840 Census, Jonathan Dollar, Jr., son of Jonathan Dollar and Rhoda > Rhodes, > had "two males ages 15 to 20 living in his home" in St. Mary's Parish, > St. > Mary's District in Orange Co. These ages would fit the birth dates of > Morgan and Martin. There is no other mention of these two males in any of > the other references to Jonathan Jr. in this book. However, I did manage > to > obtain a copy of Jonathan's Will from the Durham County Library. It was > of > no help to me, other than showing that Jonathan Jr. left his entire estate > to his nephew, Malbourne Angier. > > > > Jonathan Jr.'s occupation was always shown as farmer. In the 1850 Census > he > was shown as living in the home of his nephew, Malbourne Angier, who was > the > son of his sister, Sarah Angier, near Durhamville in Durham County. He > died 6 May 1864, and is buried in Maplewood Cemetery, which was located in > the vicinity of the Dollar homeplace. > > > > I cannot positively state that these two males were Morgan and Martin, but > it could very well have been. If so, how to go about finding their > parents > and other members of the family? > > > > To those members of NCDOGS who are much more adept at this than I am, > could > you give me some ideas about whom to contact, or is this just a hopeless > case from here on? > > > > Thank you for persevering this far. > > > > Betty Davidson > > lyonbe @comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Doris Saunders > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana > in34Daysin the Year 1815 > > > > I am truly enjoying the history the members are placing on-line. I am > very > > interested in all facts about genealogy and since I am from Vance County > > which is next door to Granville,this subject is more interesting. One of > my > > descendants "Reames" were Quakers. [email protected] > > > > > >>From: "JAMES LINDLEY" <[email protected]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana > >>in34Daysin the Year 1815 > >>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:36:30 -0700 > >> > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenn, My ancestors having surnames Hart and Rush came to America, Pennsylvania, in 1682 from England. John Hart was from Witney, Oxfordshire, England. Captain John Rush, captain of the horse in Cromwell's army and sometimes referred to as the "Old Trooper", married Susannah Lucas much earlier in England, and one of their children was also named Susannah - she married my ancestor John Hart in Pennsylvania. John Hart had purchased two approx. 500 acre plots from Wm. Penn, one in Byberry township (Northeastern Philadelphia county) and the other in Warminster township in Bucks Co., and the Rushes lived on property adjoining the Harts in Byberry. They were all Quakers and the Quaker meeting in Byberry was at John Hart's place. Both the Rushes and the Harts had sizable families - the Rushes are ancestors of Dr. Benjamin Rush, a Penn. signer of the Declaration of Indp. One of the Harts sons, Thomas, my ancestor, moved to what became Frederick Co., VA about 1735, purchasing about 1000 acres between the current towns of Charlestown and Shepardstown. One of the Rush's daughters, Jane, married a Darke and were neighbors of Thomas Hart in Frederic, Co., VA. There may have been other Rush's, possibly later generations, that also moved to VA, but I have not researched the Rush descendants. You should be able to find quite a bit by Googling John Rush. In 1754, due to Indian attacks in the Upper Neck, northern portion of the Shenendoah Valley, Thomas Hart with a son James who lived south in the adjoining county, left VA and moved to Orange Co., NC near Hillsborough, however I have been unable to find any trace of Thomas around Hillsborough. My James Hart's wife was Rebecca (Finney) Hart and I have found records of them their. They had children, one being Stephen, my ancestor, and Stephen married Catherine Moore (I have been unable to find who her parents were). Stephen and Catherine also lived around Hillsborough, had children including a James and a John, born 1796/7 (my ancestor) and both Stephen and Catherine died in 1811. John, my ancestor, married Margaret Nelson in 1836 in or near Hillsborough and in Sept. 1837, left for western MO, where they bought land in eastern Clay Co. and the Harts lived in that vicinity and around Excelsior Springs, MO and Liberty, MO until the 1980's. As soon as I can, I will check my records on the Rushes and pass along any further info I have on them. I believe that Capt. John Rush had a son or grandson named Wm. I am not aware of a John Hart in KY, but he could have been related to my Harts. Could you tell me where he lived, about when, and any other pertinent info you have about him. Thanks and I hope this is helpful. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 8:30 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Message for John Hart Miller....this is erie...I don't have time > tonight to > read all of the DOGS entries...all of which I am sure are > interesting and I > will get to them...but I thought I must open...just one... I > promised myself > and lo and behold I saw your entry. > > > I have hit an absolute brick wall in only one of my 11 generations of > Rushs...I'm wondering if you can help me. I am descended from the > Wm line that > stayed in VA when the Benjamin line came into NC...sons of Wm II > and Elizabeth > Perry.. ...however I think there was so much travel back and forth > that I may > descend from one of the NC lines too. I need to know the parents > of a John > Rush b ca 1765 who married Nancy Wilhite. I think they travelled from > Madison Co. Va to Nelson Co. Ky about 1800. I think also they > might have been in > NC at one time. I think I have the connection of the VA/NC Rushes > to the > Rushes in PA...Are these the lines of which you have knowledge ? > I would value > your help > > Also..I see your name...are you related to the early KY pioneer John > Hart?....I know lots and lots about him...neighbor of my early > pioneers in KY > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCDOGS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Does Ernest Dollar follow this list? He may know something of use. Carol ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello Betty, I found a James Dollar,Jr in Orange Co, NC, 1830 census, with one son under 5 and one son under 10. His age is 30-40. In 1840 there is a James Dollar in Caldwell Co, Ky, age 40-50 with one son under 10, 2 sons 10-15 and 2 sons 15-20. He was born in NC. Maybe you could check into this line. Hope it helps. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [NCDOGS] Need assistance > > > > > > > At the time I joined NCDOGS, I didn't know if it would be worthwhile, > since > I live in Oregon. I didn't know how much I would enjoy reading the > postings > such as the current discussions of the history of Orange County and > surroundings of NC. These postings today, about the reasons the earlier > settlers left for new areas, has been very informative and very > interesting. > > > > I live in Oregon and have been doing a genealogical study of my ancestors > on > my mother's parents for about three years. I joined NCDOGS hoping I could > get some help from the members in locating any information about the > Dollar > family who lived in Orange County NC from approx. 1820 or earlier. My > gggrandfather was Marion Morgan Dollar, b. 1825, d. 1888 in Arkansas, was > born in either NC or VA. Census records from 1870 show him born in VA; > others show NC. His brother, Martin Samuel Dollar, was born in 1821. > Throughout the mid-1880s, they lived very close to each other in Arkansas. > > > > My problem is I can find no record of the identity of their parents. I > have > felt for some time that the historical records in NC must hold an answer > to > this problem, but I am not physically able to come back there to do a > search. > > > > I found a book written by Jerry Alsup of Mississippi called, "Finding My > Last Dollar". Unfortunately for me, this book deals primarily with the > Dollars in Alabama and Mississippi and very little about the Arkansas > Dollars. However, there is a paragraph on pg. 44 which shows that in the > 1840 Census, Jonathan Dollar, Jr., son of Jonathan Dollar and Rhoda > Rhodes, > had "two males ages 15 to 20 living in his home" in St. Mary's Parish, > St. > Mary's District in Orange Co. These ages would fit the birth dates of > Morgan and Martin. There is no other mention of these two males in any of > the other references to Jonathan Jr. in this book. However, I did manage > to > obtain a copy of Jonathan's Will from the Durham County Library. It was > of > no help to me, other than showing that Jonathan Jr. left his entire estate > to his nephew, Malbourne Angier. > > > > Jonathan Jr.'s occupation was always shown as farmer. In the 1850 Census > he > was shown as living in the home of his nephew, Malbourne Angier, who was > the > son of his sister, Sarah Angier, near Durhamville in Durham County. He > died 6 May 1864, and is buried in Maplewood Cemetery, which was located in > the vicinity of the Dollar homeplace. > > > > I cannot positively state that these two males were Morgan and Martin, but > it could very well have been. If so, how to go about finding their > parents > and other members of the family? > > > > To those members of NCDOGS who are much more adept at this than I am, > could > you give me some ideas about whom to contact, or is this just a hopeless > case from here on? > > > > Thank you for persevering this far. > > > > Betty Davidson > > lyonbe @comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Doris Saunders > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana > in34Daysin the Year 1815 > > > > I am truly enjoying the history the members are placing on-line. I am > very > > interested in all facts about genealogy and since I am from Vance County > > which is next door to Granville,this subject is more interesting. One of > my > > descendants "Reames" were Quakers. [email protected] > > > > > >>From: "JAMES LINDLEY" <[email protected]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana > >>in34Daysin the Year 1815 > >>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:36:30 -0700 > >> > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Message for John Hart Miller....this is erie...I don't have time tonight to read all of the DOGS entries...all of which I am sure are interesting and I will get to them...but I thought I must open...just one... I promised myself and lo and behold I saw your entry. I have hit an absolute brick wall in only one of my 11 generations of Rushs...I'm wondering if you can help me. I am descended from the Wm line that stayed in VA when the Benjamin line came into NC...sons of Wm II and Elizabeth Perry.. ...however I think there was so much travel back and forth that I may descend from one of the NC lines too. I need to know the parents of a John Rush b ca 1765 who married Nancy Wilhite. I think they travelled from Madison Co. Va to Nelson Co. Ky about 1800. I think also they might have been in NC at one time. I think I have the connection of the VA/NC Rushes to the Rushes in PA...Are these the lines of which you have knowledge ? I would value your help Also..I see your name...are you related to the early KY pioneer John Hart?....I know lots and lots about him...neighbor of my early pioneers in KY ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I just saw the following exciting announcment: Local and county histories to go online Thousands of published family histories, city and county histories, historic city directories, and related records are coming to the internet. The Allen County (Ind.) Public Library, Brigham Young University's Harold B. Lee Library, and FamilySearch's Family History Library in Salt Lake City announced the joint project August 15. When complete, it will be the most comprehensive free collection of city and county histories on the Web.... FamilySearch, Aug. 15 Longer story at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/News/frameset_news.asp?PAGE=Press/2 007-8-15_Local_Histories_Online.asp Gwyneth ----------------------------------------------- Gwyneth Duncan Voice: 919-660-5860 Systems Librarian Fax: 919-668-2578 Perkins Library Email: [email protected] Box 90196 Duke University Durham, NC 27708-0196

At the time I joined NCDOGS, I didn't know if it would be worthwhile, since I live in Oregon. I didn't know how much I would enjoy reading the postings such as the current discussions of the history of Orange County and surroundings of NC. These postings today, about the reasons the earlier settlers left for new areas, has been very informative and very interesting. I live in Oregon and have been doing a genealogical study of my ancestors on my mother's parents for about three years. I joined NCDOGS hoping I could get some help from the members in locating any information about the Dollar family who lived in Orange County NC from approx. 1820 or earlier. My gggrandfather was Marion Morgan Dollar, b. 1825, d. 1888 in Arkansas, was born in either NC or VA. Census records from 1870 show him born in VA; others show NC. His brother, Martin Samuel Dollar, was born in 1821. Throughout the mid-1880s, they lived very close to each other in Arkansas. My problem is I can find no record of the identity of their parents. I have felt for some time that the historical records in NC must hold an answer to this problem, but I am not physically able to come back there to do a search. I found a book written by Jerry Alsup of Mississippi called, "Finding My Last Dollar". Unfortunately for me, this book deals primarily with the Dollars in Alabama and Mississippi and very little about the Arkansas Dollars. However, there is a paragraph on pg. 44 which shows that in the 1840 Census, Jonathan Dollar, Jr., son of Jonathan Dollar and Rhoda Rhodes, had "two males ages 15 to 20 living in his home" in St. Mary's Parish, St. Mary's District in Orange Co. These ages would fit the birth dates of Morgan and Martin. There is no other mention of these two males in any of the other references to Jonathan Jr. in this book. However, I did manage to obtain a copy of Jonathan's Will from the Durham County Library. It was of no help to me, other than showing that Jonathan Jr. left his entire estate to his nephew, Malbourne Angier. Jonathan Jr.'s occupation was always shown as farmer. In the 1850 Census he was shown as living in the home of his nephew, Malbourne Angier, who was the son of his sister, Sarah Angier, near Durhamville in Durham County. He died 6 May 1864, and is buried in Maplewood Cemetery, which was located in the vicinity of the Dollar homeplace. I cannot positively state that these two males were Morgan and Martin, but it could very well have been. If so, how to go about finding their parents and other members of the family? To those members of NCDOGS who are much more adept at this than I am, could you give me some ideas about whom to contact, or is this just a hopeless case from here on? Thank you for persevering this far. Betty Davidson lyonbe @comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doris Saunders Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in34Daysin the Year 1815 I am truly enjoying the history the members are placing on-line. I am very interested in all facts about genealogy and since I am from Vance County which is next door to Granville,this subject is more interesting. One of my descendants "Reames" were Quakers. [email protected] >From: "JAMES LINDLEY" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana >in34Daysin the Year 1815 >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:36:30 -0700 >

The other side of the outmigration coin is why did many remain where they were? If land was cheap and plentiful elsewhere and the local land worn out why did many more not pick up and go? The carrot and the stick motivated some to move, many of their neighbors and family members remained behind. Following the Civil War some of my family who had left Caswell County for Mississippi, returned broke to Caswell. My mother, a middle Tennessean, came to Orange County to teach when her older half brother, a civil engineer in North Carolina working for the Southern Railroad constructing grade separations, got his little sister a job. In her genealogical research she failed to find her ancestors moved from Orange County to Tennessee in the early 1800's. I picture the early 19th century farms in Piedmont N C as being mostly subsistence operations with not much acreage for cash crops like cotton and tobacco and few if any slaves. Plenty of children, though. Was all the news about greener pastures elsewhere word of mouth or was there a marketer touting the virtues of his new farm sites? Revolutionary War veterans were paid with rights to confiscated lands. Some sold their rights, some moved to occupy them. The end of the French and Indian War made it safer to settle Western lands. The end of the Revolutionary war made new lands cheap and available. The pauperization of many Southerners by the Civil War caused many to relocate. But many stayed put. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Miller Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in34Daysin the Year 1815 Thanks Jim, yes cotton was bad but before that Tobacco was possibly worse. First, tobacco led to erosion of the top soil by rain and run off and also tobacco removed much nitrogen from the soil and and had to be countered with plowing under rye or vetch, which probably wasn't always done, or with nitrogen fertilizers that weren't yet available. Also, my GG grandfather was a wagon maker and white oak was getting scarce and good timber and a large need for wagons for the Santa Fe and Oregon Trails was available in western MO in 1830's and 1840's. Something that I learned by reading an excellent book, Bents Fort by David Lavender, was that much of the livestock needed in western MO for trekking west on these trails was driven up the Santa Fe trail from Santa Fe area and areas west and south of their including west Texas. The Bents often drove as many as 1000 horses, mules, oxen, cattle and sheep on return trips to Westport (now Kansas City) with their wagons filled with furs and buffalo robes/hides they got from Mountain Men and Indians in trade. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:36 PM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > John > I agree with this as well. Also they could sell their land for high > prices and buy much lower in the west. Thomas Lindley of Old Orange > left PA selling his land at a high price and buying 1000 acres for > a few shillings per 100 acres from the Grandville district in NC. I > had not thought of the land playing out. That was the problem with > cotton for some time. Over planting. > Jim Lindley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Miller<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34Daysin the Year 1815 > > > Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for > moving on was common among loyalists during and after the > Revolution, > but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for > moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families > usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 > acres to > make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't > have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so > as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west > of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have > fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it > usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had > become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people > leaving > Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, > John > Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for Clay > Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where > they > first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the > Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors > had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road > from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have > boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have > traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like > described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky > River > and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time > to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they left > in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as > fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before > reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any > comments. John Hart Miller > On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > >> John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because >> they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong >> side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in >> 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- >> older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did >> this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed >> by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the >> hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a >> lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above >> Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob >> >> Jim Lindley >> Bellevue WA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim >> Richmond<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >> Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 >> >> >> I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another >> take on the >> motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave >> states to >> free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being >> ostracized for >> their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. >> There was >> another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former >> Quakers, >> following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the >> Regulators. Harmon >> Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western >> Pennsylvania where >> he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged >> for that. >> Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very >> interesting to me. >> Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I >> read >> somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who >> was a >> Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected]<mailto:ncdogs<mailto:ncdogs- >> [email protected]%3Cmailto:ncdogs>- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> [mailto:ncdogs- >> [email protected]] On >> Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >> Indiana in 34 >> Days in the Year 1815 >> >> >> Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with >> the "shoe >> fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the >> Lindley mill >> ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member >> got the iron >> pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. >> Jim Lindley >> Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]% >> 3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> Subject: Re: >> [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N >> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public >> Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe >> may be >> connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part >> of Monday >> night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, >> drawn up by >> a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing >> certain >> Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad >> which assisted >> many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or >> not the >> map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", >> but the >> search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained >> references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. >> Several of >> the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the >> research is >> that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply >> opposed to the >> growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families >> elected to >> migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to >> settlement. These >> areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery >> sentiment and >> activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to >> guide Quaker >> families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to >> areas already >> settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as >> they tried to >> establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established >> Quakers, and >> sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is >> that this >> journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer >> wrote:> > I >> know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this >> area in> > >> the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think >> y'all> > >> will find the following thread cross-posted from another group >> interesting.> >>>>> Jeff Palmer - >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>>> m%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > * * >>>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We >> cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- >> Edward R. >> Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> roots<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> roots>- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal >> Humes> > Sent: >> Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> [email protected]>>> > Subject: >> Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the >> Year> > 1815> >>>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That >>>>> sounds >> like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds >> like what I'd >> pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine >> the whole >> process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time >> consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > >> grandfather >> drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > >> and had to >> pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm >> interested in >> knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from >> North >> Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I >> recall >> seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> >>> format >> and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this >> at> > the >> Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of >> it. > >> > I >> am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New >> Garden in> > >> Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep >> River so it> >>> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription >> included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I >> don't think >> I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up >> some >> readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the >> mileage >> transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten >> copy for the >> mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've >> already >> been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was >> from a book >> from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have >> been >> transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in >> seeing it >> mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth >> along with >> other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road >> maps. If >> you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software >> you nay >> find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > >> paths. You can >> turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > >> location to >> location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > >> genealogy >> clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the >> right> > >> altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus >> it's> > >> interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the >> land and> >>> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >>> Judy >> Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey >> from N >> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: >> "Journey >> from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." >> _Illiana >> Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY >> FROM N. >> CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to >> Nathan >> Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 >> Got off >> from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. >> 14 miles. >> Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. >> went on well, >> reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring >> the >> wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our >> friend >> Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our >> benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join >> us here >> did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then >> went on >> about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > >> we camped >> at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. >> 12 We >> continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > >> oclock. Fed at >> Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner >> at 12> > >> then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles >> fur-ther> >>> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left >>> camp >> after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 >> oclock, fed >> at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took >> up at >> Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > >> evening. >> Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on >> well, fed at >> the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at >> half past >> 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up >> without >> doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas >> White, his team >> wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top >> after 6, went >> half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 >> Started at half >> past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at >> 12 for >> dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last >> night.> > >> Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces >> Furnice by 10> > >> oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to >> rain, >> crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It >> continued to >> rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at >> one Painters >> who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name >> may be >> Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, >> went on >> till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night >> at the head >> of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on >> as usual.> > >> Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and >> viewed the> >>> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious >>> entrance as> >>> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth >>> was >> small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could >> walk upright, >> at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till >> satisfied and went >> out. There are> > several large springs which offered water >> enough to turn a >> mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is >> very unwell, >> supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. >> Made 15 >> miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on >> well. Took >> dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some >> showers of >> rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who >> favored us with >> a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able >> better.> >>>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at >>>>> 1 and >> fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled >> about 3 >> miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at >> in-tervals >> during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet >> morning. Started >> before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, >> then went >> on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A >> foggy >> morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past >> 9 when the >> tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it >> mended, >> went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat >> yard on >> Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on >> at 6, >> crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then >> went on. This >> evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the >> night. 22 >> miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 >> oclock, went on >> well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our >> horses' >> shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went >> on, took up >> at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off >> at 6, passed >> Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went >> on, began >> to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. >> The road for >> about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where >> we found >> hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained >> the top at >> half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging >> at Clinch >> River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We >> spent the >> day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed >> up our >> lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 >> yards >> long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, >> then went on, >> passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. >> Went till 6 >> and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 >> Set off at 6, >> crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > >> Cumberland mountain >> at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > >> Yellow Creek and >> fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A >> foggy >> morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the >> Cumberland >> Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on >> till half >> past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and >> took up, >> made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > >> slight one >> yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off >> at 6, went >> till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 >> miles.> >> > >> Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable >> passed. Fed at> >>> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over >>> some rough> >>> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half >>> a mile >> and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning >> passed without >> fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at >> 1 at Mt. >> Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 >> miles.> >> > >> Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab >> Orchard at 9,> >>> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 >>> hours >> to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and >> took up. 19 >> 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru >> Danville at >> 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. >> Passed thru >> Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >>>>> Oct .6 >> Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner >> then> > went >> on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the >> night,> > >> sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> >>> Oct. 7 A >> cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> >>> 7, went >> on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at >> half> > past 12 >> for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> >>> mile and >> took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took >> up the >> line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and >> fed, then >> went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night >> about 6. Some >> light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear >> morning. >> Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, >> staid in town >> till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 >> oclock to >> take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > >> ferriage. Then went >> on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off >> early went on >> tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue >> River, 22 miles. >> We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, >> nothing >> more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and >> expect to >> reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went >> on well, >> took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of >> destination before >> sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel >> Dixon for >> particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the >> journey from >> North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including >> ferriage, >> bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan >> Dixon and >> neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in >> Particular.> >> > >> George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > >> Checked by >> AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: >> 269.12.8/973 - >> Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > >> *************************> > >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ >> <http://<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/%3Chttp://> >> www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>>> > >> Please post >> all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http:// >> www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> >> www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> ~ncdogs/memquery.html>>> >> > >> 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I am truly enjoying the history the members are placing on-line. I am very interested in all facts about genealogy and since I am from Vance County which is next door to Granville,this subject is more interesting. One of my descendants "Reames" were Quakers. [email protected] >From: "JAMES LINDLEY" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana >in34Daysin the Year 1815 >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:36:30 -0700 > >John >I agree with this as well. Also they could sell their land for high prices >and buy much lower in the west. Thomas Lindley of Old Orange left PA >selling his land at a high price and buying 1000 acres for a few shillings >per 100 acres from the Grandville district in NC. I had not thought of the >land playing out. That was the problem with cotton for some time. Over >planting. >Jim Lindley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Miller<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in >34Daysin the Year 1815 > > > Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for > moving on was common among loyalists during and after the Revolution, > but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for > moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families > usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 acres to > make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't > have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so > as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west > of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have > fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it > usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had > become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people leaving > Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, John > Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for Clay > Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where they > first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the > Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors > had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road > from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have > boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have > traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like > described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky River > and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time > to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they left > in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as > fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before > reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any > comments. John Hart Miller > On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > > > John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because > > they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong > > side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in > > 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- > > older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did > > this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed > > by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the > > hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a > > lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above > > Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob > > > > Jim Lindley > > Bellevue WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim >Richmond<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To: >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > > Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 > > > > > > I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another > > take on the > > motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave > > states to > > free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being > > ostracized for > > their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. > > There was > > another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former > > Quakers, > > following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the > > Regulators. Harmon > > Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western > > Pennsylvania where > > he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged > > for that. > > Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very > > interesting to me. > > Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I > > read > > somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who > > was a > > Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: >[email protected]<mailto:ncdogs<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:ncdogs>- > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >[mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM > > To: >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > > Indiana in 34 > > Days in the Year 1815 > > > > > > Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with > > the "shoe > > fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the > > Lindley mill > > ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member > > got the iron > > pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. > > Jim Lindley > > Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: > > >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > To: >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >Subject: Re: > > [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N > > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public > > Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe > > may be > > connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part > > of Monday > > night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, > > drawn up by > > a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing > > certain > > Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad > > which assisted > > many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or > > not the > > map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", > > but the > > search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained > > references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. > > Several of > > the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the > > research is > > that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply > > opposed to the > > growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families > > elected to > > migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to > > settlement. These > > areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery > > sentiment and > > activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to > > guide Quaker > > families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to > > areas already > > settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as > > they tried to > > establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established > > Quakers, and > > sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is > > that this > > journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer > > wrote:> > I > > know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this > > area in> > > > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think > > y'all> > > > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group > > interesting.> > >>>> Jeff Palmer - >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > * * > >>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We > > cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- > > Edward R. > > Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: > > >[email protected]<mailto:quaker-roots<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker-roots>- > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal > > Humes> > Sent: > > Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- > > >[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > Subject: > > Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the > > Year> > 1815> > >>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That > >>>> sounds > > like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds > > like what I'd > > pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine > > the whole > > process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time > > consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > > > grandfather > > drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > > > and had to > > pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm > > interested in > > knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from > > North > > Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I > > recall > > seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > > > format > > and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this > > at> > the > > Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of > > it. > >> > I > > am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New > > Garden in> > > > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep > > River so it> > >> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription > > included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I > > don't think > > I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some > > readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the > > mileage > > transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten > > copy for the > > mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've > > already > > been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was > > from a book > > from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have > > been > > transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in > > seeing it > > mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth > > along with > > other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road > > maps. If > > you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software > > you nay > > find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > > > paths. You can > > turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > > > location to > > location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > > > genealogy > > clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > > > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus > > it's> > > > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the > > land and> > >> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: > >> Judy > > Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey > > from N > > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: > > "Journey > > from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." > > _Illiana > > Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY > > FROM N. > > CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to > > Nathan > > Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 > > Got off > > from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. > > 14 miles. > > Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. > > went on well, > > reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring > > the > > wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our > > friend > > Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our > > benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join > > us here > > did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then > > went on > > about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > > > we camped > > at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. > > 12 We > > continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > > > oclock. Fed at > > Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > > > miles.> >> > > > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner > > at 12> > > > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles > > fur-ther> > >> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp > > after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 > > oclock, fed > > at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took > > up at > > Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > > > evening. > > Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on > > well, fed at > > the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at > > half past > > 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up > > without > > doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas > > White, his team > > wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top > > after 6, went > > half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 > > Started at half > > past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at > > 12 for > > dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 > > miles.> >> > > > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last > > night.> > > > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces > > Furnice by 10> > > > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, > > crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It > > continued to > > rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at > > one Painters > > who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name > > may be > > Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, > > went on > > till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night > > at the head > > of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 > > miles.> >> > > > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on > > as usual.> > > > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and > > viewed the> > >> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious > >> entrance as> > >> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was > > small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could > > walk upright, > > at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till > > satisfied and went > > out. There are> > several large springs which offered water > > enough to turn a > > mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is > > very unwell, > > supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. > > Made 15 > > miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on > > well. Took > > dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some > > showers of > > rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who > > favored us with > > a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able > > better.> > >>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at > >>>> 1 and > > fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled > > about 3 > > miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at > > in-tervals > > during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet > > morning. Started > > before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, > > then went > > on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A > > foggy > > morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past > > 9 when the > > tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it > > mended, > > went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat > > yard on > > Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on > > at 6, > > crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then > > went on. This > > evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the > > night. 22 > > miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 > > oclock, went on > > well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our > > horses' > > shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went > > on, took up > > at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off > > at 6, passed > > Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went > > on, began > > to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. > > The road for > > about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where > > we found > > hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained > > the top at > > half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging > > at Clinch > > River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We > > spent the > > day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed > > up our > > lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 > > yards > > long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, > > then went on, > > passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. > > Went till 6 > > and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 > > Set off at 6, > > crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > > > Cumberland mountain > > at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > > > Yellow Creek and > > fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A > > foggy > > morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the > > Cumberland > > Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on > > till half > > past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and > > took up, > > made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > > > slight one > > yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off > > at 6, went > > till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 > > miles.> >> > > > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable > > passed. Fed at> > >> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over > >> some rough> > >> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half > >> a mile > > and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning > > passed without > > fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at > > 1 at Mt. > > Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 > > miles.> >> > > > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab > > Orchard at 9,> > >> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 > >> hours > > to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and > > took up. 19 > > 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru > > Danville at > > 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. > > Passed thru > > Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> > > >> > Oct .6 > > Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner > > then> > went > > on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the > > night,> > > > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > > > Oct. 7 A > > cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > > > 7, went > > on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at > > half> > past 12 > > for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > > > mile and > > took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took > > up the > > line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and > > fed, then > > went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night > > about 6. Some > > light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear > > morning. > > Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, > > staid in town > > till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 > > oclock to > > take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > > > ferriage. Then went > > on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off > > early went on > > tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue > > River, 22 miles. > > We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, > > nothing > > more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and > > expect to > > reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went > > on well, > > took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of > > destination before > > sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel > > Dixon for > > particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the > > journey from > > North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including > > ferriage, > > bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan > > Dixon and > > neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in > > Particular.> >> > > > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > > Checked by > > AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: > > 269.12.8/973 - > > Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > > > *************************> > > > Visit the D-OGS web site: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/%3Chttp://> > > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>>> > Please >post > > all queries using the D-OGS query form: > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http://www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> > > >www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>>> > >> > > > 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Hi Dorris, some of my ancestors, Harts and Rushes, were also Quakers. Many Quakers who came to NC came from Penn., maybe after a stop of a few years or a generation or more in the Shenandoah Valley of VA. If you don't know where or whence your Quaker ancestors came from, try Googling with Quaker and Philadelphia Co., Bucks Co., Chester Co (the first counties in Penn.), Lancastor Co. or Montgomery Co., Penn. There is a lot of web sites giving good info about early Quaker families in Penn. Good luck. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Doris Saunders wrote: > I am truly enjoying the history the members are placing on-line. I > am very > interested in all facts about genealogy and since I am from Vance > County > which is next door to Granville,this subject is more interesting. > One of my > descendants "Reames" were Quakers. [email protected] > > >> From: "JAMES LINDLEY" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana >> in34Daysin the Year 1815 >> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:36:30 -0700 >> >> John >> I agree with this as well. Also they could sell their land for >> high prices >> and buy much lower in the west. Thomas Lindley of Old Orange left PA >> selling his land at a high price and buying 1000 acres for a few >> shillings >> per 100 acres from the Grandville district in NC. I had not >> thought of the >> land playing out. That was the problem with cotton for some time. >> Over >> planting. >> Jim Lindley >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Miller<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >> Indiana in >> 34Daysin the Year 1815 >> >> >> Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for >> moving on was common among loyalists during and after the >> Revolution, >> but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for >> moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families >> usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 >> acres to >> make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't >> have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so >> as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west >> of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have >> fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it >> usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had >> become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people >> leaving >> Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, >> John >> Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for >> Clay >> Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where >> they >> first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the >> Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors >> had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road >> from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have >> boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have >> traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like >> described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky >> River >> and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time >> to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they >> left >> in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as >> fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before >> reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any >> comments. John Hart Miller >> On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: >> >>> John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because >>> they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong >>> side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in >>> 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- >>> older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did >>> this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed >>> by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the >>> hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a >>> lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above >>> Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob >>> >>> Jim Lindley >>> Bellevue WA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jim >> Richmond<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM >>> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >>> Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 >>> >>> >>> I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another >>> take on the >>> motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave >>> states to >>> free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being >>> ostracized for >>> their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. >>> There was >>> another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former >>> Quakers, >>> following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the >>> Regulators. Harmon >>> Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western >>> Pennsylvania where >>> he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged >>> for that. >>> Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very >>> interesting to me. >>> Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I >>> read >>> somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who >>> was a >>> Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >> [email protected]<mailto:ncdogs<mailto:ncdogs- >> [email protected]%3Cmailto:ncdogs>- >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY >>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM >>> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >>> Indiana in 34 >>> Days in the Year 1815 >>> >>> >>> Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with >>> the "shoe >>> fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the >>> Lindley mill >>> ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member >>> got the iron >>> pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. >>> Jim Lindley >>> Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: >>> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]% >> 3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >>> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >> Subject: Re: >>> [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N >>> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public >>> Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe >>> may be >>> connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part >>> of Monday >>> night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, >>> drawn up by >>> a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing >>> certain >>> Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad >>> which assisted >>> many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or >>> not the >>> map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", >>> but the >>> search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all >>> contained >>> references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. >>> Several of >>> the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the >>> research is >>> that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply >>> opposed to the >>> growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families >>> elected to >>> migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to >>> settlement. These >>> areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery >>> sentiment and >>> activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to >>> guide Quaker >>> families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to >>> areas already >>> settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as >>> they tried to >>> establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established >>> Quakers, and >>> sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is >>> that this >>> journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer >>> wrote:> > I >>> know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this >>> area in> > >>> the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think >>> y'all> > >>> will find the following thread cross-posted from another group >>> interesting.> >>>>>> Jeff Palmer - >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> %3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >>> * * >>>>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We >>> cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- >>> Edward R. >>> Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >>> >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> roots<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> roots>- >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal >>> Humes> > Sent: >>> Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- >>> >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> [email protected]>>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the >>> Year> > 1815> >>>>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That >>>>>> sounds >>> like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds >>> like what I'd >>> pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine >>> the whole >>> process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been >>> time >>> consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > >>> grandfather >>> drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > >>> and had to >>> pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm >>> interested in >>> knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from >>> North >>> Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I >>> recall >>> seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> >>>> format >>> and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this >>> at> > the >>> Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of >>> it. > >> > I >>> am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New >>> Garden in> > >>> Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep >>> River so it> >>>> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription >>> included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I >>> don't think >>> I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up >>> some >>> readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the >>> mileage >>> transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten >>> copy for the >>> mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've >>> already >>> been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was >>> from a book >>> from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have >>> been >>> transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in >>> seeing it >>> mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth >>> along with >>> other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road >>> maps. If >>> you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software >>> you nay >>> find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > >>> paths. You can >>> turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > >>> location to >>> location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > >>> genealogy >>> clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the >>> right> > >>> altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus >>> it's> > >>> interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the >>> land and> >>>> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >>>> Judy >>> Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey >>> from N >>> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: >>> "Journey >>> from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." >>> _Illiana >>> Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY >>> FROM N. >>> CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to >>> Nathan >>> Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 >>> Got off >>> from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. >>> 14 miles. >>> Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. >>> went on well, >>> reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring >>> the >>> wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our >>> friend >>> Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our >>> benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join >>> us here >>> did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then >>> went on >>> about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > >>> we camped >>> at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. >>> 12 We >>> continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > >>> oclock. Fed at >>> Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > >>> miles.> >> > >>> Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner >>> at 12> > >>> then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles >>> fur-ther> >>>> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left >>>> camp >>> after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 >>> oclock, fed >>> at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took >>> up at >>> Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > >>> evening. >>> Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on >>> well, fed at >>> the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at >>> half past >>> 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up >>> without >>> doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas >>> White, his team >>> wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top >>> after 6, went >>> half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 >>> Started at half >>> past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at >>> 12 for >>> dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 >>> miles.> >> > >>> Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last >>> night.> > >>> Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces >>> Furnice by 10> > >>> oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to >>> rain, >>> crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It >>> continued to >>> rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at >>> one Painters >>> who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name >>> may be >>> Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, >>> went on >>> till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night >>> at the head >>> of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 >>> miles.> >> > >>> Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on >>> as usual.> > >>> Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and >>> viewed the> >>>> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious >>>> entrance as> >>>> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the >>>> mouth was >>> small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could >>> walk upright, >>> at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till >>> satisfied and went >>> out. There are> > several large springs which offered water >>> enough to turn a >>> mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is >>> very unwell, >>> supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. >>> Made 15 >>> miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on >>> well. Took >>> dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some >>> showers of >>> rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who >>> favored us with >>> a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able >>> better.> >>>>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at >>>>>> 1 and >>> fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled >>> about 3 >>> miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at >>> in-tervals >>> during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet >>> morning. Started >>> before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, >>> then went >>> on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A >>> foggy >>> morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past >>> 9 when the >>> tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it >>> mended, >>> went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat >>> yard on >>> Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on >>> at 6, >>> crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then >>> went on. This >>> evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the >>> night. 22 >>> miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 >>> oclock, went on >>> well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our >>> horses' >>> shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went >>> on, took up >>> at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off >>> at 6, passed >>> Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went >>> on, began >>> to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. >>> The road for >>> about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where >>> we found >>> hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained >>> the top at >>> half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging >>> at Clinch >>> River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We >>> spent the >>> day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed >>> up our >>> lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 >>> yards >>> long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, >>> then went on, >>> passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. >>> Went till 6 >>> and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 >>> Set off at 6, >>> crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > >>> Cumberland mountain >>> at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > >>> Yellow Creek and >>> fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A >>> foggy >>> morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the >>> Cumberland >>> Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on >>> till half >>> past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and >>> took up, >>> made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > >>> slight one >>> yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off >>> at 6, went >>> till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 >>> miles.> >> > >>> Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable >>> passed. Fed at> >>>> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over >>>> some rough> >>>> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half >>>> a mile >>> and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning >>> passed without >>> fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at >>> 1 at Mt. >>> Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 >>> miles.> >> > >>> Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab >>> Orchard at 9,> >>>> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 >>>> hours >>> to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and >>> took up. 19 >>> 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru >>> Danville at >>> 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. >>> Passed thru >>> Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >>>>>> Oct .6 >>> Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner >>> then> > went >>> on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the >>> night,> > >>> sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> >>>> Oct. 7 A >>> cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> >>>> 7, went >>> on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at >>> half> > past 12 >>> for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> >>>> mile and >>> took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took >>> up the >>> line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and >>> fed, then >>> went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night >>> about 6. Some >>> light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear >>> morning. >>> Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, >>> staid in town >>> till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 >>> oclock to >>> take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > >>> ferriage. Then went >>> on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off >>> early went on >>> tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue >>> River, 22 miles. >>> We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, >>> nothing >>> more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and >>> expect to >>> reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went >>> on well, >>> took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of >>> destination before >>> sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel >>> Dixon for >>> particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the >>> journey from >>> North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including >>> ferriage, >>> bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan >>> Dixon and >>> neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in >>> Particular.> >> > >>> George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > >>> Checked by >>> AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: >>> 269.12.8/973 - >>> Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > >>> *************************> > >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://<http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> ~ncdogs/%3Chttp://> >>> www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>>> > >>> Please >> post >>> all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http:// >> www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> >>> >> www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> 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I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another take on the motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave states to free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being ostracized for their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. There was another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former Quakers, following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the Regulators. Harmon Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western Pennsylvania where he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged for that. Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very interesting to me. Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I read somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who was a Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815 Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with the "shoe fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the Lindley mill ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member got the iron pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. Jim Lindley Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe may be connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part of Monday night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, drawn up by a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing certain Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad which assisted many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or not the map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", but the search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. Several of the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the research is that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply opposed to the growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families elected to migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to settlement. These areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery sentiment and activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to guide Quaker families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to areas already settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as they tried to establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established Quakers, and sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is that this journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer wrote:> > I know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this area in> > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think y'all> > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group interesting.> >> > Jeff Palmer - [email protected]> > * * *> > Quote of the Week: "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- Edward R. Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Humes> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That sounds like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds like what I'd pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine the whole process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > grandfather drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > and had to pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm interested in knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from North Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I recall seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > format and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this at> > the Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of it. > >> > I am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New Garden in> > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep River so it> > probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I don't think I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the mileage transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten copy for the mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've already been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was from a book from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have been transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in seeing it mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth along with other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road maps. If you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software you nay find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > paths. You can turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > location to location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > genealogy clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus it's> > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the land and> > the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Judy Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: "Journey from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." _Illiana Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY FROM N. CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to Nathan Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 Got off from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. 14 miles. Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. went on well, reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring the wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our friend Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join us here did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then went on about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > we camped at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. 12 We continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > oclock. Fed at Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > miles.> >> > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner at 12> > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles fur-ther> > and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 oclock, fed at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took up at Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > evening. Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on well, fed at the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at half past 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up without doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas White, his team wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top after 6, went half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 Started at half past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at 12 for dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last night.> > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces Furnice by 10> > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It continued to rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at one Painters who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name may be Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, went on till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night at the head of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 miles.> >> > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on as usual.> > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and viewed the> > curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious entrance as> > large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could walk upright, at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till satisfied and went out. There are> > several large springs which offered water enough to turn a mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is very unwell, supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. Made 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on well. Took dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some showers of rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who favored us with a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able better.> >> > Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at 1 and fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled about 3 miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at in-tervals during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet morning. Started before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, then went on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A foggy morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past 9 when the tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it mended, went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat yard on Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on at 6, crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then went on. This evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the night. 22 miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 oclock, went on well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our horses' shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went on, took up at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off at 6, passed Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went on, began to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. The road for about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where we found hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained the top at half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging at Clinch River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We spent the day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed up our lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 yards long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, then went on, passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. Went till 6 and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 Set off at 6, crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > Cumberland mountain at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > Yellow Creek and fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A foggy morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the Cumberland Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on till half past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and took up, made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > slight one yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off at 6, went till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 miles.> >> > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable passed. Fed at> > 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over some rough> > nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half a mile and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning passed without fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at 1 at Mt. Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 miles.> >> > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab Orchard at 9,> > halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 hours to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and took up. 19 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru Danville at 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. Passed thru Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >> > Oct .6 Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner then> > went on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the night,> > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 7 A cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > 7, went on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at half> > past 12 for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > mile and took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took up the line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and fed, then went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night about 6. Some light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear morning. Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, staid in town till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 oclock to take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > ferriage. Then went on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off early went on tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue River, 22 miles. We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, nothing more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and expect to reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went on well, took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of destination before sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel Dixon for particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the journey from North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including ferriage, bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan Dixon and neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in Particular.> >> > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > *************************> > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > *************************> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim, yes cotton was bad but before that Tobacco was possibly worse. First, tobacco led to erosion of the top soil by rain and run off and also tobacco removed much nitrogen from the soil and and had to be countered with plowing under rye or vetch, which probably wasn't always done, or with nitrogen fertilizers that weren't yet available. Also, my GG grandfather was a wagon maker and white oak was getting scarce and good timber and a large need for wagons for the Santa Fe and Oregon Trails was available in western MO in 1830's and 1840's. Something that I learned by reading an excellent book, Bents Fort by David Lavender, was that much of the livestock needed in western MO for trekking west on these trails was driven up the Santa Fe trail from Santa Fe area and areas west and south of their including west Texas. The Bents often drove as many as 1000 horses, mules, oxen, cattle and sheep on return trips to Westport (now Kansas City) with their wagons filled with furs and buffalo robes/hides they got from Mountain Men and Indians in trade. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:36 PM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > John > I agree with this as well. Also they could sell their land for high > prices and buy much lower in the west. Thomas Lindley of Old Orange > left PA selling his land at a high price and buying 1000 acres for > a few shillings per 100 acres from the Grandville district in NC. I > had not thought of the land playing out. That was the problem with > cotton for some time. Over planting. > Jim Lindley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Miller<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34Daysin the Year 1815 > > > Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for > moving on was common among loyalists during and after the > Revolution, > but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for > moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families > usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 > acres to > make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't > have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so > as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west > of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have > fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it > usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had > become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people > leaving > Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, > John > Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for Clay > Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where > they > first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the > Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors > had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road > from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have > boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have > traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like > described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky > River > and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time > to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they left > in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as > fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before > reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any > comments. John Hart Miller > On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > >> John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because >> they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong >> side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in >> 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- >> older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did >> this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed >> by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the >> hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a >> lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above >> Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob >> >> Jim Lindley >> Bellevue WA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim >> Richmond<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >> Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 >> >> >> I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another >> take on the >> motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave >> states to >> free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being >> ostracized for >> their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. >> There was >> another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former >> Quakers, >> following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the >> Regulators. Harmon >> Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western >> Pennsylvania where >> he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged >> for that. >> Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very >> interesting to me. >> Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I >> read >> somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who >> was a >> Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected]<mailto:ncdogs<mailto:ncdogs- >> [email protected]%3Cmailto:ncdogs>- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> [mailto:ncdogs- >> [email protected]] On >> Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to >> Indiana in 34 >> Days in the Year 1815 >> >> >> Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with >> the "shoe >> fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the >> Lindley mill >> ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member >> got the iron >> pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. >> Jim Lindley >> Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]% >> 3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >> To: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> .com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> Subject: Re: >> [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N >> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public >> Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe >> may be >> connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part >> of Monday >> night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, >> drawn up by >> a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing >> certain >> Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad >> which assisted >> many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or >> not the >> map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", >> but the >> search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained >> references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. >> Several of >> the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the >> research is >> that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply >> opposed to the >> growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families >> elected to >> migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to >> settlement. These >> areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery >> sentiment and >> activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to >> guide Quaker >> families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to >> areas already >> settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as >> they tried to >> establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established >> Quakers, and >> sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is >> that this >> journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer >> wrote:> > I >> know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this >> area in> > >> the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think >> y'all> > >> will find the following thread cross-posted from another group >> interesting.> >>>>> Jeff Palmer - >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>>> m%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > * * >>>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We >> cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- >> Edward R. >> Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> roots<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> roots>- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal >> Humes> > Sent: >> Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- >> [email protected]<mailto:quaker- >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker- >> [email protected]>>> > Subject: >> Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the >> Year> > 1815> >>>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That >>>>> sounds >> like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds >> like what I'd >> pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine >> the whole >> process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time >> consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > >> grandfather >> drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > >> and had to >> pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm >> interested in >> knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from >> North >> Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I >> recall >> seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> >>> format >> and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this >> at> > the >> Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of >> it. > >> > I >> am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New >> Garden in> > >> Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep >> River so it> >>> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription >> included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I >> don't think >> I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up >> some >> readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the >> mileage >> transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten >> copy for the >> mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've >> already >> been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was >> from a book >> from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have >> been >> transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in >> seeing it >> mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth >> along with >> other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road >> maps. If >> you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software >> you nay >> find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > >> paths. You can >> turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > >> location to >> location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > >> genealogy >> clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the >> right> > >> altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus >> it's> > >> interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the >> land and> >>> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >>> Judy >> Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey >> from N >> Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: >> "Journey >> from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." >> _Illiana >> Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY >> FROM N. >> CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to >> Nathan >> Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 >> Got off >> from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. >> 14 miles. >> Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. >> went on well, >> reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring >> the >> wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our >> friend >> Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our >> benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join >> us here >> did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then >> went on >> about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > >> we camped >> at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. >> 12 We >> continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > >> oclock. Fed at >> Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner >> at 12> > >> then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles >> fur-ther> >>> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left >>> camp >> after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 >> oclock, fed >> at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took >> up at >> Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > >> evening. >> Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on >> well, fed at >> the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at >> half past >> 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up >> without >> doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas >> White, his team >> wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top >> after 6, went >> half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 >> Started at half >> past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at >> 12 for >> dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last >> night.> > >> Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces >> Furnice by 10> > >> oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to >> rain, >> crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It >> continued to >> rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at >> one Painters >> who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name >> may be >> Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, >> went on >> till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night >> at the head >> of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 >> miles.> >> > >> Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on >> as usual.> > >> Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and >> viewed the> >>> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious >>> entrance as> >>> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth >>> was >> small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could >> walk upright, >> at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till >> satisfied and went >> out. There are> > several large springs which offered water >> enough to turn a >> mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is >> very unwell, >> supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. >> Made 15 >> miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on >> well. Took >> dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some >> showers of >> rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who >> favored us with >> a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able >> better.> >>>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at >>>>> 1 and >> fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled >> about 3 >> miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at >> in-tervals >> during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet >> morning. Started >> before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, >> then went >> on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A >> foggy >> morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past >> 9 when the >> tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it >> mended, >> went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat >> yard on >> Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on >> at 6, >> crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then >> went on. This >> evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the >> night. 22 >> miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 >> oclock, went on >> well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our >> horses' >> shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went >> on, took up >> at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off >> at 6, passed >> Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went >> on, began >> to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. >> The road for >> about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where >> we found >> hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained >> the top at >> half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging >> at Clinch >> River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We >> spent the >> day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed >> up our >> lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 >> yards >> long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, >> then went on, >> passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. >> Went till 6 >> and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 >> Set off at 6, >> crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > >> Cumberland mountain >> at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > >> Yellow Creek and >> fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A >> foggy >> morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the >> Cumberland >> Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on >> till half >> past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and >> took up, >> made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > >> slight one >> yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off >> at 6, went >> till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 >> miles.> >> > >> Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable >> passed. Fed at> >>> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over >>> some rough> >>> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half >>> a mile >> and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning >> passed without >> fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at >> 1 at Mt. >> Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 >> miles.> >> > >> Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab >> Orchard at 9,> >>> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 >>> hours >> to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and >> took up. 19 >> 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru >> Danville at >> 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. >> Passed thru >> Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >>>>> Oct .6 >> Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner >> then> > went >> on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the >> night,> > >> sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> >>> Oct. 7 A >> cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> >>> 7, went >> on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at >> half> > past 12 >> for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> >>> mile and >> took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took >> up the >> line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and >> fed, then >> went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night >> about 6. Some >> light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear >> morning. >> Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, >> staid in town >> till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 >> oclock to >> take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > >> ferriage. Then went >> on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off >> early went on >> tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue >> River, 22 miles. >> We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, >> nothing >> more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and >> expect to >> reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went >> on well, >> took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of >> destination before >> sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel >> Dixon for >> particulars concerning the complaint. 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Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for moving on was common among loyalists during and after the Revolution, but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 acres to make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people leaving Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, John Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for Clay Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where they first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky River and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they left in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any comments. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because > they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong > side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in > 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- > older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did > this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed > by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the > hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a > lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above > Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob > > Jim Lindley > Bellevue WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Richmond<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 > > > I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another > take on the > motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave > states to > free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being > ostracized for > their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. > There was > another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former > Quakers, > following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the > Regulators. Harmon > Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western > Pennsylvania where > he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged > for that. > Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very > interesting to me. > Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I > read > somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who > was a > Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:ncdogs- > [email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34 > Days in the Year 1815 > > > Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with > the "shoe > fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the > Lindley mill > ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member > got the iron > pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. > Jim Lindley > Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: > [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public > Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe > may be > connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part > of Monday > night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, > drawn up by > a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing > certain > Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad > which assisted > many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or > not the > map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", > but the > search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained > references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. > Several of > the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the > research is > that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply > opposed to the > growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families > elected to > migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to > settlement. These > areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery > sentiment and > activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to > guide Quaker > families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to > areas already > settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as > they tried to > establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established > Quakers, and > sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is > that this > journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer > wrote:> > I > know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this > area in> > > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think > y'all> > > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group > interesting.> >>>> Jeff Palmer - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > * * >>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We > cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- > Edward R. > Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: > [email protected]<mailto:quaker-roots- > [email protected]>> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal > Humes> > Sent: > Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: > Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the > Year> > 1815> >>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That >>>> sounds > like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds > like what I'd > pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine > the whole > process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time > consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > > grandfather > drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > > and had to > pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm > interested in > knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from > North > Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I > recall > seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > > format > and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this > at> > the > Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of > it. > >> > I > am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New > Garden in> > > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep > River so it> >> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription > included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I > don't think > I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some > readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the > mileage > transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten > copy for the > mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've > already > been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was > from a book > from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have > been > transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in > seeing it > mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth > along with > other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road > maps. If > you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software > you nay > find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > > paths. You can > turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > > location to > location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > > genealogy > clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus > it's> > > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the > land and> >> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >> Judy > Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey > from N > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: > "Journey > from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." > _Illiana > Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY > FROM N. > CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to > Nathan > Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 > Got off > from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. > 14 miles. > Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. > went on well, > reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring > the > wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our > friend > Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our > benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join > us here > did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then > went on > about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > > we camped > at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. > 12 We > continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > > oclock. Fed at > Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > > miles.> >> > > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner > at 12> > > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles > fur-ther> >> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp > after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 > oclock, fed > at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took > up at > Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > > evening. > Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on > well, fed at > the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at > half past > 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up > without > doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas > White, his team > wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top > after 6, went > half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 > Started at half > past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at > 12 for > dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 > miles.> >> > > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last > night.> > > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces > Furnice by 10> > > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, > crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It > continued to > rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at > one Painters > who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name > may be > Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, > went on > till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night > at the head > of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 > miles.> >> > > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on > as usual.> > > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and > viewed the> >> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious >> entrance as> >> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was > small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could > walk upright, > at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till > satisfied and went > out. There are> > several large springs which offered water > enough to turn a > mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is > very unwell, > supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. > Made 15 > miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on > well. Took > dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some > showers of > rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who > favored us with > a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able > better.> >>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at >>>> 1 and > fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled > about 3 > miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at > in-tervals > during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet > morning. Started > before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, > then went > on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A > foggy > morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past > 9 when the > tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it > mended, > went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat > yard on > Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on > at 6, > crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then > went on. This > evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the > night. 22 > miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 > oclock, went on > well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our > horses' > shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went > on, took up > at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off > at 6, passed > Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went > on, began > to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. > The road for > about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where > we found > hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained > the top at > half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging > at Clinch > River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We > spent the > day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed > up our > lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 > yards > long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, > then went on, > passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. > Went till 6 > and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 > Set off at 6, > crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > > Cumberland mountain > at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > > Yellow Creek and > fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A > foggy > morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the > Cumberland > Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on > till half > past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and > took up, > made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > > slight one > yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off > at 6, went > till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 > miles.> >> > > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable > passed. Fed at> >> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over >> some rough> >> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half >> a mile > and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning > passed without > fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at > 1 at Mt. > Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 > miles.> >> > > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab > Orchard at 9,> >> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 >> hours > to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and > took up. 19 > 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru > Danville at > 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. > Passed thru > Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> > >> > Oct .6 > Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner > then> > went > on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the > night,> > > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > > Oct. 7 A > cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > > 7, went > on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at > half> > past 12 > for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > > mile and > took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took > up the > line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and > fed, then > went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night > about 6. Some > light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear > morning. > Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, > staid in town > till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 > oclock to > take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > > ferriage. Then went > on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off > early went on > tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue > River, 22 miles. > We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, > nothing > more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and > expect to > reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went > on well, > took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of > destination before > sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel > Dixon for > particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the > journey from > North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including > ferriage, > bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan > Dixon and > neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in > Particular.> >> > > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by > AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: > 269.12.8/973 - > Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > > *************************> > > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>> > Please post > all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send > an email to [email protected]<mailto:NCDOGS- > [email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > *************************> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS > query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send > an email to [email protected]<mailto:NCDOGS- > [email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~ncdogs/memquery.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCDOGS- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCDOGS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The NC Public Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I believe may be connected to the journey in this posting. The segment was part of Monday night's History Detective series. The segment concerned a map, drawn up by a Quaker, illustrating a section of central Ohio, and detailing certain Quaker sites known to be active in the underground railroad which assisted many escaped slaves in later years. The question was whether or not the map was drawn to assist escaped slaves. The answer was "NO", but the search turned up many maps of the area of Ohio, and all contained references to Quaker families, churches, organizations, etc. Several of the maps were drawn by the same man. The conclusion of the research is that Quaker families in areas of the deep South were deeply opposed to the growing importance of slavery in the area, and many families elected to migrate to areas of the West which were opening up to settlement. These areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) became bastions of anti-slavery sentiment and activities in later years. The maps in question were drawn to guide Quaker families from the South, and especially in North Carolina to areas already settled by other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as they tried to establish themselves. Many were drawn by already established Quakers, and sent to families considering a move to the West. My guess is that this journey may have been a part of that movement. Jeff Palmer wrote: > I know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this area in > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think y'all > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group interesting. > > Jeff Palmer - [email protected] > * * * > Quote of the Week: “We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at > home.” -- Edward R. Murrow > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Humes > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year > 1815 > > I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That sounds like > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds like what I'd pay > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > > I imagine the whole process of dealing with small local ferries would have > been time consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my > grandfather drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast > and had to pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > > I'm interested in knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations > from North Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > > I recall seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar > format and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this at > the Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of it. > > I am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New Garden in > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep River so it > probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription included > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I don't think I had a > date associated with it. > > I can probably did up some readable photographs of that trip log, a map and > copy of the mileage transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he > typewritten copy for the mailing list and other archives. I assume it's > likely they've already been published. The map had multiple migration paths > and was from a book from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may > have been transcribed from archives at Guilford. > > I am interested in seeing it mapped online in something like Google Maps and > Google Earth along with other common Quaker migration paths to compare to > current road maps. If you haven't played around with the free Google Earth > software you nay find it very useful for looking at things like migration > paths. You can turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from > location to location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for > genealogy clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus it's > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the land and > the migration paths. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > Subject: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year > 1815 > > Source: "Journey from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year > 1815." _Illiana Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124 > > JOURNEY FROM N. CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815 > > Letter to Nathan Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina: > > Sept. 8 Got off from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took > up. 14 miles. Nothing remarkable passed today. > > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. went on well, reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made > preparations for doctoring the wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles. > > Sept. 10 Rested with our friend Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better. > > Sept. 11 Left our benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was > to join us here did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock > then went on about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and > we camped at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend. > > Sept. 12 We continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10 > oclock. Fed at Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21 > miles. > > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner at 12 > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles fur-ther > and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles. > > Sept. 14 Left camp after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek > about 10 oclock, fed at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at > 6, took up at Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this > evening. Made 18 miles. > > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on well, fed at the foot of the > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at half past 2 oclock. Our teams > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up without doubling. When about half > way up we had to assist Thomas White, his team wa ? exactly true, but were > overloaded. We gained the top after 6, went half a mile and took up lodging. > 14 miles. > > Sept. 16 Started at half past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad > order. Took up at 12 for dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took > up. 15 miles. > > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last night. > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces Furnice by 10 > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, crossed > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It continued to rain till > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at one Painters who favored > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name may be Pointers). > > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, went on till 12 and took > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night at the head of Cripple Creek. It > became clear this evening. Made 19 miles. > > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on as usual. > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and viewed the > curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious entrance as > large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was small. > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could walk upright, at others, > half bent. Viewed its various winding till satisfied and went out. There are > several large springs which offered water enough to turn a mill in a short > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is very unwell, supposed to be cold. > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. Made 15 miles. > > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on well. Took dinner at the > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some showers of rain fell this > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who favored us with a room to lodge > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able better. > > Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at 1 and fed, > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled about 3 miles > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at in-tervals during the > whole of this day. > > Sept. 22 Another wet morning. Started before sunrise. Went on well. Halted > at half past 11 and fed, then went on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A foggy morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well > till half past 9 when the tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke. > Stopped and had it mended, went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night > at the boat yard on Holston. 16 miles. > > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on at 6, crossed the North of > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then went on. This evening is clear, > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the night. 22 miles. > > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 oclock, went on well, > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our horses' shoes nailed > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went on, took up at 6. Made 22 > miles. > > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off at 6, passed Bean Station about 10 > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went on, began to ascend Clinch mountain > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. The road for about half way up this > mountain is in extreme bad order where we found hands at work, from there to > the top it was very good. Gained the top at half past 3 then descended the > western declivity. Took lodging at Clinch River. Made 16 miles. > > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We spent the day in killing squirrels and > so forth. > > Sept. 28 Packed up our lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge > which was 150 yards long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and > fed, then went on, passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn > county. Went till 6 and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles. > > Sept. 29 Set off at 6, crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend > Cumberland mountain at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to > Yellow Creek and fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles. > > Sept. 30 A foggy morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came > to the Cumberland Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then > went on till half past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set > and took up, made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a > slight one yesterday. > > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off at 6, went till 12 and > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 miles. > > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable passed. Fed at > 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over some rough > nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half a mile and > took up. 22 1/2 miles. > > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning passed without fog, continued our journey at 7, > went on well, took dinner at 1 at Mt. Vernon , halted at 6 and made > preparations for the night. 18 miles. > > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab Orchard at 9, > halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 hours to > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and took up. 19 1/2 > miles. > > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru Danville at 9, halted at half > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. Passed thru Harodsburg at 3. went on > till sunset and took up. 23 miles. > > Oct .6 Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner then > went on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the night, > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles. > > Oct. 7 A cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about > 7, went on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at half > past 12 for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1 > mile and took up, made 20 miles. > > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took up the line of march before sunrise, > went on till half after 11 and fed, then went on, passed thru Middletown at > 3, took up for the night about 6. Some light showers fell today. Made 21 > miles. > > Oct. 9 A clear morning. Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to > Lewis-ville, staid in town till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took > from 1 to 3 oclock to take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon > ferriage. Then went on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles. > > Oct. 10 Set off early went on tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on, > took up on Blue River, 22 miles. We have had a long fatigueing journey, but > have stood it well, nothing more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine > spirits and expect to reach Lick Creek tomorrow. > > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went on well, took dinner at 11, then went on. > Reached the place of destination before sunset and found the neighbors very > unhealthy. Apply to Joel Dixon for particulars concerning the complaint. The > expense of the journey from North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00 > including ferriage, bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc. > > This with ease to Nathan Dixon and neighbors in general, Uncle George and > Aunt Molly in Particular. > > George Rubottom > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 > 5:00 PM > > > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John I agree with this as well. Also they could sell their land for high prices and buy much lower in the west. Thomas Lindley of Old Orange left PA selling his land at a high price and buying 1000 acres for a few shillings per 100 acres from the Grandville district in NC. I had not thought of the land playing out. That was the problem with cotton for some time. Over planting. Jim Lindley ----- Original Message ----- From: John Miller<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34Daysin the Year 1815 Jim Richmond, I believe that Jim Lindley's ancestor's reason for moving on was common among loyalists during and after the Revolution, but my research indicates that one of the biggest motivators for moving on was the desire and need for cheap, good land. Families usually contained many boys, each needing at least about 200 acres to make a living for a family by farming. The father usually didn't have enough land to give/ leave each of his sons that much land, so as they aged and as cheap, good land became available, usually west of NC, the family moved to it. Also, since they didn't have fertilizers and technology to keep their farm land fertile, it usually played out. I read where the land in Orange Co., NC, had become so poor by the 1820's that there was a flood of people leaving Orange Co. during the 1820's and 1830's, like my GG grandfather, John Hart, who left with his wife Margaret (Nelson) Hart in 1837 for Clay Co., MO. They arrived by steamboat, but I don't know just where they first got on a boat or steam boat. They might have traveled up the Great Wagon Road through the Shenendoah Valley like their ancestors had come to Orange Co. about 80 years earlier, to the National Road from Baltimore area to Wheeling and Pittsburg where they could have boarded a steamboat down the Ohio River. They also could have traveled to the Ohio River at Louisville, KY (Lewisville) like described in an earlier e-mail on this site, or to the Kentucky River and then by boat to the Ohio River. It was preferable at that time to travel by a boat on a river instead of overland. Also, they left in late September, so I think they would have wanted to travel as fast as possible to avoid getting caught by cold weather before reaching western MO. What do you all think - would appreciate any comments. John Hart Miller On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, JAMES LINDLEY wrote: > John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because > they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong > side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in > 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them--- > older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did > this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed > by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the > hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a > lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above > Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob > > Jim Lindley > Bellevue WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Richmond<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 > > > I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another > take on the > motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave > states to > free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being > ostracized for > their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. > There was > another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former > Quakers, > following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the > Regulators. Harmon > Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western > Pennsylvania where > he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged > for that. > Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very > interesting to me. > Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I > read > somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who > was a > Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:ncdogs<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:ncdogs>- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to > Indiana in 34 > Days in the Year 1815 > > > Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with > the "shoe > fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the > Lindley mill > ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member > got the iron > pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. > Jim Lindley > Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> Subject: Re: > [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public > Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe > may be > connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part > of Monday > night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, > drawn up by > a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing > certain > Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad > which assisted > many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or > not the > map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", > but the > search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained > references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. > Several of > the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the > research is > that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply > opposed to the > growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families > elected to > migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to > settlement. These > areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery > sentiment and > activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to > guide Quaker > families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to > areas already > settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as > they tried to > establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established > Quakers, and > sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is > that this > journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer > wrote:> > I > know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this > area in> > > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think > y'all> > > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group > interesting.> >>>> Jeff Palmer - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > * * >>>> *> > Quote of the Week: "We > cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- > Edward R. > Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: > [email protected]<mailto:quaker-roots<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:quaker-roots>- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal > Humes> > Sent: > Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: quaker- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: > Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the > Year> > 1815> >>>> I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That >>>> sounds > like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds > like what I'd > pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine > the whole > process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time > consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > > grandfather > drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > > and had to > pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm > interested in > knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from > North > Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I > recall > seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > > format > and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this > at> > the > Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of > it. > >> > I > am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New > Garden in> > > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep > River so it> >> probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription > included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I > don't think > I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some > readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the > mileage > transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten > copy for the > mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've > already > been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was > from a book > from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have > been > transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in > seeing it > mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth > along with > other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road > maps. If > you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software > you nay > find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > > paths. You can > turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > > location to > location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > > genealogy > clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus > it's> > > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the > land and> >> the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: >> Judy > Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey > from N > Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: > "Journey > from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." > _Illiana > Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY > FROM N. > CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to > Nathan > Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 > Got off > from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. > 14 miles. > Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. > went on well, > reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring > the > wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our > friend > Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our > benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join > us here > did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then > went on > about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > > we camped > at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. > 12 We > continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > > oclock. Fed at > Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > > miles.> >> > > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner > at 12> > > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles > fur-ther> >> and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp > after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 > oclock, fed > at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took > up at > Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > > evening. > Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on > well, fed at > the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at > half past > 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up > without > doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas > White, his team > wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top > after 6, went > half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 > Started at half > past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at > 12 for > dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 > miles.> >> > > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last > night.> > > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces > Furnice by 10> > > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, > crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It > continued to > rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at > one Painters > who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name > may be > Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, > went on > till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night > at the head > of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 > miles.> >> > > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on > as usual.> > > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and > viewed the> >> curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious >> entrance as> >> large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was > small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could > walk upright, > at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till > satisfied and went > out. There are> > several large springs which offered water > enough to turn a > mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is > very unwell, > supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. > Made 15 > miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on > well. Took > dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some > showers of > rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who > favored us with > a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able > better.> >>>> Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at >>>> 1 and > fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled > about 3 > miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at > in-tervals > during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet > morning. Started > before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, > then went > on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A > foggy > morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past > 9 when the > tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it > mended, > went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat > yard on > Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on > at 6, > crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then > went on. This > evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the > night. 22 > miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 > oclock, went on > well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our > horses' > shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went > on, took up > at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off > at 6, passed > Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went > on, began > to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. > The road for > about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where > we found > hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained > the top at > half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging > at Clinch > River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We > spent the > day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed > up our > lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 > yards > long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, > then went on, > passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. > Went till 6 > and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 > Set off at 6, > crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > > Cumberland mountain > at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > > Yellow Creek and > fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A > foggy > morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the > Cumberland > Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on > till half > past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and > took up, > made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > > slight one > yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off > at 6, went > till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 > miles.> >> > > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable > passed. Fed at> >> 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over >> some rough> >> nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half >> a mile > and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning > passed without > fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at > 1 at Mt. > Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 > miles.> >> > > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab > Orchard at 9,> >> halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 >> hours > to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and > took up. 19 > 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru > Danville at > 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. > Passed thru > Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> > >> > Oct .6 > Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner > then> > went > on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the > night,> > > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > > Oct. 7 A > cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > > 7, went > on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at > half> > past 12 > for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > > mile and > took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took > up the > line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and > fed, then > went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night > about 6. Some > light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear > morning. > Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, > staid in town > till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 > oclock to > take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > > ferriage. Then went > on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off > early went on > tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue > River, 22 miles. > We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, > nothing > more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and > expect to > reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went > on well, > took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of > destination before > sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel > Dixon for > particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the > journey from > North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including > ferriage, > bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan > Dixon and > neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in > Particular.> >> > > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > Checked by > AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: > 269.12.8/973 - > Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > > *************************> > > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/%3Chttp://> > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>>> > Please post > all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http://www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>>> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send > an email to [email protected]<mailto:NCDOGS<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:NCDOGS>- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > *************************> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS > query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http://www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>>> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send > an email to [email protected]<mailto:NCDOGS<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:NCDOGS>- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://<http://www.rootswebcom/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://> > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/> > ~ncdogs/memquery.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCDOGS- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http:// > www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCDOGS- > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Lindley my 3 great grandfather had to leave Orange because they took his land because of his error in fighting for the wrong side in the revolution. He fled to Maryland then to SC and died in 1798. His widow Sarah Lindley and the children---a bunch of them---older boys and girls---left SC and passed through Hillsboro and did this trip to extreme NW KY---Christian County. They were followed by the Gibson's-- they had 3 girls that sang a ditty---"Over the hills and mountains I must go with trouble in mind for leaving a lover behind" Three Gibson girls ended up marrying 3 of the above Lindley boys ---Polly, Sis and Linny married John Thomas and Jacob Jim Lindley Bellevue WA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Richmond<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34Days in the Year 1815 I saw the PBS History Detective episode mentioned too. Another take on the motivation which caused the outmigration of Quakers from slave states to free states North of the Ohio River is that they were being ostracized for their anti-slavery views by their neighbors who accepted slavery. There was another earlier outmigration, many of them Quakers or former Quakers, following the Battle of Alamance and the hanging of the Regulators. Harmon Husband, a leader of Regulator movement, moved to Western Pennsylvania where he figured in the Whiskey Rebellion and almost got himself hanged for that. Why our early settlers moved on to other areas is very interesting to me. Just saying they had a restless spirit always seems inadequate. I read somewhere that Benjamin Franklin helped a competing printer, who was a Quaker, move from Philadelphia to North Carolina. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JAMES LINDLEY Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:16 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815 Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with the "shoe fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the Lindley mill ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member got the iron pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. Jim Lindley Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe may be connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part of Monday night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, drawn up by a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing certain Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad which assisted many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or not the map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", but the search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. Several of the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the research is that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply opposed to the growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families elected to migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to settlement. These areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery sentiment and activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to guide Quaker families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to areas already settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as they tried to establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established Quakers, and sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is that this journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer wrote:> > I know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this area in> > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think y'all> > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group interesting.> >> > Jeff Palmer - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > * * *> > Quote of the Week: "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home." -- Edward R. Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Humes> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That sounds like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds like what I'd pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine the whole process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > grandfather drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > and had to pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm interested in knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from North Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I recall seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > format and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this at> > the Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of it. > >> > I am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New Garden in> > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep River so it> > probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I don't think I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the mileage transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten copy for the mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've already been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was from a book from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have been transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in seeing it mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth along with other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road maps. If you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software you nay find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > paths. You can turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > location to location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > genealogy clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus it's> > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the land and> > the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Judy Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: "Journey from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." _Illiana Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY FROM N. CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to Nathan Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 Got off from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. 14 miles. Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. went on well, reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring the wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our friend Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join us here did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then went on about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > we camped at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. 12 We continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > oclock. Fed at Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > miles.> >> > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner at 12> > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles fur-ther> > and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 oclock, fed at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took up at Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > evening. Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on well, fed at the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at half past 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up without doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas White, his team wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top after 6, went half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 Started at half past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at 12 for dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last night.> > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces Furnice by 10> > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It continued to rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at one Painters who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name may be Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, went on till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night at the head of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 miles.> >> > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on as usual.> > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and viewed the> > curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious entrance as> > large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could walk upright, at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till satisfied and went out. There are> > several large springs which offered water enough to turn a mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is very unwell, supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. Made 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on well. Took dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some showers of rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who favored us with a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able better.> >> > Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at 1 and fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled about 3 miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at in-tervals during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet morning. Started before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, then went on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A foggy morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past 9 when the tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it mended, went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat yard on Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on at 6, crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then went on. This evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the night. 22 miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 oclock, went on well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our horses' shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went on, took up at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off at 6, passed Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went on, began to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. The road for about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where we found hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained the top at half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging at Clinch River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We spent the day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed up our lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 yards long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, then went on, passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. Went till 6 and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 Set off at 6, crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > Cumberland mountain at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > Yellow Creek and fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A foggy morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the Cumberland Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on till half past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and took up, made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > slight one yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off at 6, went till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 miles.> >> > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable passed. Fed at> > 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over some rough> > nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half a mile and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning passed without fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at 1 at Mt. Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 miles.> >> > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab Orchard at 9,> > halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 hours to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and took up. 19 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru Danville at 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. Passed thru Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >> > Oct .6 Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner then> > went on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the night,> > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 7 A cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > 7, went on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at half> > past 12 for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > mile and took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took up the line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and fed, then went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night about 6. Some light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear morning. Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, staid in town till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 oclock to take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > ferriage. Then went on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off early went on tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue River, 22 miles. We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, nothing more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and expect to reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went on well, took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of destination before sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel Dixon for particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the journey from North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including ferriage, bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan Dixon and neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in Particular.> >> > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > *************************> > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > *************************> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html>> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much for this. This posting ranks right up there with the "shoe fly pie" posting. My family did this trip in 1805 from the Lindley mill ---Eli Whitney area--- to western KY. Some lucky family member got the iron pot they used for cooking--it wasn't me. Jim Lindley Bellevue WA> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:51:48 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] FW: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year 1815> > The NC Public Broadcasting station had an interesting segment which I > believe may be connected to the journey in this posting. The segment > was part of Monday night's History Detective series. The segment > concerned a map, drawn up by a Quaker, illustrating a section of central > Ohio, and detailing certain Quaker sites known to be active in the > underground railroad which assisted many escaped slaves in later years. > The question was whether or not the map was drawn to assist escaped > slaves. The answer was "NO", but the search turned up many maps of the > area of Ohio, and all contained references to Quaker families, churches, > organizations, etc. Several of the maps were drawn by the same man. > The conclusion of the research is that Quaker families in areas of the > deep South were deeply opposed to the growing importance of slavery in > the area, and many families elected to migrate to areas of the West > which were opening up to settlement. These areas (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) > became bastions of anti-slavery sentiment and activities in later > years. The maps in question were drawn to guide Quaker families from > the South, and especially in North Carolina to areas already settled by > other Quakers, which would be helpful to them as they tried to establish > themselves. Many were drawn by already established Quakers, and sent to > families considering a move to the West.> My guess is that this journey may have been a part of that movement.> > Jeff Palmer wrote:> > I know the topic of the immigration routes taken to and from this area in> > the early days has come up on this eGroup more than once. I think y'all> > will find the following thread cross-posted from another group interesting.> >> > Jeff Palmer - [email protected]> > * * *> > Quote of the Week: “We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at> > home.” -- Edward R. Murrow> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Humes> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37 PM> > To: [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > I found the $81 in tolls and ferry fees quite interesting. That sounds like> > a lot of money for 1815! The $2.75 turnpike fee sounds like what I'd pay> > for 100 miles on the PA Turnpike today. > >> > I imagine the whole process of dealing with small local ferries would have> > been time consuming and added lot of delays. About 100 years later my> > grandfather drove to California in an era before roads were coast to coast> > and had to pay to have the Ford ferried across many rivers. > >> > I'm interested in knowing more about the root causes of Quaker migrations> > from North Carolina to Indiana and when these migrations started. > >> > I recall seeing a similar NC to Indiana migration trip noted in a similar> > format and then later transcribed and mapped. I've seen copies of this at> > the Guilford College Friends' archives and I should have copies of it. > >> > I am fairly sure it's a slightly deafen route or trip from New Garden in> > Greensboro though this one sent to the list passes through Deep River so it> > probably is similar. I recall noting that this other transcription included> > many names of places stayed at during the trip but I don't think I had a> > date associated with it.> >> > I can probably did up some readable photographs of that trip log, a map and> > copy of the mileage transcription if anyone wants to transcribe he> > typewritten copy for the mailing list and other archives. I assume it's> > likely they've already been published. The map had multiple migration paths> > and was from a book from the mid 1970's but I think the trip mileage log may> > have been transcribed from archives at Guilford.> >> > I am interested in seeing it mapped online in something like Google Maps and> > Google Earth along with other common Quaker migration paths to compare to> > current road maps. If you haven't played around with the free Google Earth> > software you nay find it very useful for looking at things like migration> > paths. You can turn on layers of rivers and terrains and can "fly" from> > location to location. I find it useful for looking at rural terrain for> > genealogy clues from the names of valleys that show if you get to the right> > altitude to see them, and old family names on rural roads. Plus it's> > interesting to look at the how the rivers affected the lay of the land and> > the migration paths.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Judy Whipple [mailto:[email protected]] > > Subject: [Q-R] Journey from N Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815> >> > Source: "Journey from North Carolina to Indiana in 34 Days in the Year> > 1815." _Illiana Genealogist,_ Vol. 12 No. 4, (Fall 1976). pp121-124> >> > JOURNEY FROM N. CAROLINA TO INDIANA IN 34 DAYS IN THE YEAR 1815> >> > Letter to Nathan Dixon, Chatham County, Tick Creek, North Carolina:> >> > Sept. 8 Got off from home about 12 oclock, traveled to Scottens and took> > up. 14 miles. Nothing remarkable passed today.> >> > Sept. 9 Left camp at 7. went on well, reached Nathan Lamb's at 3 and made> > preparations for doctoring the wounded horse. Traveled 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 10 Rested with our friend Nathan Lamb. Horse is considerably better.> >> > Sept. 11 Left our benefactors, went to Zeno Worth's, the waggon that was> > to join us here did not come according to promise, waited until 12 oclock> > then went on about 4 miles and fed. The waggons joined us this evening and> > we camped at Armfields. 9 miles. The horse con-tinues to mend.> >> > Sept. 12 We continued our journey before sunrise, passed Clemens at 10> > oclock. Fed at Deep River, after dinner went on, camped at John Smiths. 21> > miles.> >> > Sept. 13 Started about 6 oclock, went on very well, took dinner at 12> > then went on, crossed Little Yadkin at twilight, traveled 2 miles fur-ther> > and took up lodging for the night. 24 miles.> >> > Sept. 14 Left camp after sunrise, went on as usual, crossed Tom's Creek> > about 10 oclock, fed at Flatshore Creek then went on, crossed the Ararat at> > 6, took up at Thomas Parkins. We had a very considerable shower of rain this> > evening. Made 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 15 Left camp about sunrise, went on well, fed at the foot of the> > Blue Ridges. Began the ascent at Ward's Gap at half past 2 oclock. Our teams> > had tolerable hard drawing. They went up without doubling. When about half> > way up we had to assist Thomas White, his team wa ? exactly true, but were> > overloaded. We gained the top after 6, went half a mile and took up lodging.> > 14 miles.> >> > Sept. 16 Started at half past 6, the road is very, hilly and in bad> > order. Took up at 12 for dinner. Moved on at 2, went till sunset and took> > up. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 17 A cloudy morning, several showers of rain fell last night.> > Started before sunrise, went on very well, reached Pearces Furnice by 10> > oclock, viewed it half an hour then went on. At 12 it began to rain, crossed> > New River at Porter's Ford at about 3 oclock. It continued to rain till> > night and was very cool. Took up this even-ing at one Painters who favored> > us with a room to lodge In. Made 14 miles. (Name may be Pointers).> >> > Sept. 18 Left Painter's, crossed Cripple Creek, went on till 12 and took> > dinner, then went on. Took up for the night at the head of Cripple Creek. It> > became clear this evening. Made 19 miles.> >> > Sept. 19 Is frosty morning, set off a quarter before 7, went on as usual.> > Stopped at the head of the South Fork of Holston for dinner and viewed the> > curiosities of the place, went into a cave. It has a spacious entrance as> > large as a common room. In viewing it we found another, the mouth was small.> > We got a torch and went into it, sometimes we could walk upright, at others,> > half bent. Viewed its various winding till satisfied and went out. There are> > several large springs which offered water enough to turn a mill in a short> > distance. After dinner, went on. Joseph is very unwell, supposed to be cold.> > Took up at 4 on account of his illness. Made 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 20 A foggy morning. Moved off at 7, went on well. Took dinner at the> > Seven Mile Ford on Holston, then went on, some showers of rain fell this> > evening. Took up at 6 at William Levis who favored us with a room to lodge> > in. Traveled 20 miles. Joseph is consider-able better.> >> > Sept. 21 A rainy morning. Continued our journey at 7. Halted at 1 and fed,> > then went on. Passed thru Abingdon at 3 oclock. Traveled about 3 miles> > further and took up. 17 miles. It continued to rain at in-tervals during the> > whole of this day.> >> > Sept. 22 Another wet morning. Started before sunrise. Went on well. Halted> > at half past 11 and fed, then went on, took up at 6. A fair even-ing. Made> > 21 miles. Sept. 23 A foggy morning. Moved on at half past 6, went on well> > till half past 9 when the tire on one of White's waggon wheels broke.> > Stopped and had it mended, went on again at 12 oclock, took up for the night> > at the boat yard on Holston. 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 24 Another foggy morning. Went on at 6, crossed the North of> > Hol-ston at 7. Took dinner at 12, then went on. This evening is clear,> > stopped at 6 and made preparations for the night. 22 miles.> >> > Sept. 25 This morning is clear, started about 6 oclock, went on well,> > halted at Rogers Mill half after 8 to have some of our horses' shoes nailed> > on, then went on, fed at half past 11, then went on, took up at 6. Made 22> > miles.> >> > Sept. 26 A finer morning. Set off at 6, passed Bean Station about 10> > oclock, went 2 miles and fed, then went on, began to ascend Clinch mountain> > at the Freestone Gap at 1 oclock. The road for about half way up this> > mountain is in extreme bad order where we found hands at work, from there to> > the top it was very good. Gained the top at half past 3 then descended the> > western declivity. Took lodging at Clinch River. Made 16 miles.> >> > Sept. 27 Rested our teams today. We spent the day in killing squirrels and> > so forth.> >> > Sept. 28 Packed up our lumber ? and started, crossed Clinch on a bridge> > which was 150 yards long. Paid 2 dollars for crossing. Went on till 12 and> > fed, then went on, passed thru Tazwell, seat of jus-tice for Clabourn> > county. Went till 6 and made preparations, for the night. 15 miles.> >> > Sept. 29 Set off at 6, crossed Powell's River this morning, began to ascend> > Cumberland mountain at 11 oclock, gained the top in half an hour, went on to> > Yellow Creek and fed, then went on till 6 and took up. 18 miles.> >> > Sept. 30 A foggy morning, moved on at 6, went about 5 miles when we came> > to the Cumberland Turnpike, paid $2.87 1/5 to have the gate opened, then> > went on till half past 11 oclock and fed, after dinner went on till sun set> > and took up, made 20 miles. We had a hard shower of rain today, also a> > slight one yesterday.> >> > Oct. 1 Sabbath... Another foggy morning. Set off at 6, went till 12 and> > fed. Went on at 1. Took up on Laurel Creek. 191 miles.> >> > Oct. 2 This morning foggy, set off at 6. Nothing remarkable passed. Fed at> > 12 oclock, then went on, crossed Little Rock Castle, went over some rough> > nobs. Crossed Big Rock Castle when it was nearly dark. Drove half a mile and> > took up. 22 1/2 miles.> >> > Oct. 3 Scarcely a morning passed without fog, continued our journey at 7,> > went on well, took dinner at 1 at Mt. Vernon , halted at 6 and made> > preparations for the night. 18 miles.> >> > Oct. 4 A clear morning, proceeded at 6, passed thru the Crab Orchard at 9,> > halted at 1 for dinner, then went on a mile to Stanford, waited 2 hours to> > have White's waggon wheels clamped, then drove 5 miles and took up. 19 1/2> > miles.> >> > Oct. 5 Set off before sunrise, passed thru Danville at 9, halted at half> > past 11 for dinner. Went on again at 1. Passed thru Harodsburg at 3. went on> > till sunset and took up. 23 miles.> >> > Oct .6 Started about sunrise, went on well, halted at 12 for dinner then> > went on. It began to rain about 2 and continued to rain thru the night,> > sometimes very hard. We found a cabin to lodge us. 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 7 A cloudy morning. Several showers fell last night. Moved on about> > 7, went on tolerable well tho the road was very slippery. Stopped at half> > past 12 for dinner then went on, passed thru Shelbyville about 5, went 1> > mile and took up, made 20 miles.> >> > Oct. 8 Another cloudy morning. Took up the line of march before sunrise,> > went on till half after 11 and fed, then went on, passed thru Middletown at> > 3, took up for the night about 6. Some light showers fell today. Made 21> > miles.> >> > Oct. 9 A clear morning. Made an early start, traveled 7 1/2 miles to> > Lewis-ville, staid in town till 11 oclock, then went to the river, it took> > from 1 to 3 oclock to take the waggons over, paid 2 dollars for each waggon> > ferriage. Then went on about 21 miles and took up. 14 miles.> >> > Oct. 10 Set off early went on tolerable well. Fed at 12, then went on,> > took up on Blue River, 22 miles. We have had a long fatigueing journey, but> > have stood it well, nothing more than a cold to com-plain of, we are in fine> > spirits and expect to reach Lick Creek tomorrow.> >> > Oct. 11 Crossed Blue River, went on well, took dinner at 11, then went on.> > Reached the place of destination before sunset and found the neighbors very> > unhealthy. Apply to Joel Dixon for particulars concerning the complaint. The> > expense of the journey from North Carolina to Lick Creek, Indiana is $81.00> > including ferriage, bridge tolls, turn pike fees etc.> >> > This with ease to Nathan Dixon and neighbors in general, Uncle George and> > Aunt Molly in Particular.> >> > George Rubottom> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007> > 5:00 PM> > > >> >> > *************************> > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > *************************> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Page 14: Split Family Lines Column 2: Disadvantages to maintaining multiple... o Reporting -- Since there are no links between people in different data sets, several reports that depend on people in different data sets, several reports ...(e.g. .., Descendent Indented Chart, ...) will not INCLUDE people from data sets that are no IN FOCUS at report run-time. ______________________________ I would like to use datasets to so I can keep sibling lines separate from my direct lines until they intersect - but I cannot figure out how to generate a Descendent Indented Chart to identify an intersection when both datasets are "enabled". Am I misinterpreting the statement above? Does it really mean that NONE of the charts mentioned will cross datasets no matter what you do -i.e. when you chose a focus person - it must be specfic instance of that person - it will give a report of links in that specific dataset regardless other instances of any of the report persons in any other enabled dataset Peg