That is a very kind offer, Walt. Thanks for offering to help. I'll bet that some D-OGS member takes you up on it. - Richard Meyer, Walter A. wrote: > Richard: > > I am a distant member living in Columbia, Missouri. I have access to > the State Archives at Jefferson City, Missouri as well as the Western > Historical Manuscript Collection here in Columbia, Missouri. I usually > get to St. Louis and Kansas City periodically to do research there as > well. If members in North Carolina would like me to determine what > records might be available in Missouri, I will do my best to help. > > Walt Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Richard Ellington > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:23 AM > To: D-OGS closed list > Subject: [NCDOGS] some Jefferson County, MO newspapers now online > > Don't we have some members that are looking into MO connections? Maybe > this news (I saw this on the Dick Eastman newsletter this morning) will > be of benefit to them: > > > Jefferson County Newspaper Indexes now Online > > The following was written by the Jefferson County (Missouri) Library: > > The Jefferson County Library is proud to announce that they have > indexed over 45 years worth of historical Jefferson County newspapers. > Articles of genealogical interest pertaining to Jefferson County > residents have been included in this database which is now available > online at the library website. > > The indexes may be searched alphabetically within each year or by > using the search engine provided to search every year by last name. > Currently available are articles dating from 1866 through 1910, with > more years to be added. The index also provides the name of the > newspaper, the date, the page and column in which the article is found. > > To access the index, simply log on to the Jefferson County Library > website at www.jeffersoncountylibrary.org and follow the link at the > bottom of the page to the Genealogy Department. > > To order copies of the original articles, fee information is > provided online or contact the Jefferson County Library, Genealogy > Department at (636) 677-8186 ext 332. > > > > -- Richard > > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > > Richard K. Ellington > ITS Data Centers Manager > Information Technology Services > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 > Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 > Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu > > 919-698-8591 (voice) > 919-843-9153 (fax) > [email protected] > > > "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken > or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". > > -Winston Churchill > > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. Ellington ITS Data Centers Manager Information Technology Services University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
My comments are not going to be relevant to the missing records from the 1700's, but for the years 1820-1879, I would like to recommend "Death and Marriage Notices of The Hillsborough Recorder" by Shirley Jones Mallard. Surely a copy is on file somewhere in Hillsborough. I found several records of interest on my families in this book. Ann Veazey Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Richmond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > Ava, from what Lynne Belvin says this would suggest to me that Archives > didn't receive, didn't microfilm, and didn't index the missing marriage > bonds from Orange County. This doesn't explain why the 1752 et seq. Orange > County Marriage Bond Index doesn't have entries for the years before 1781 > or > what has happened to them. I was dealing with land records so I was told > land records were buried to keep them from Lord Cornwallis, but marriage > bonds may have been buried, or otherwise lost Such things happen. But > sometimes searches and questions like yours turn up missing records and I > hope that happens this time. According to the Archives website on the > subject they have on file statewide marriage bonds from 1747, but maybe > the > ones before 1781 from Orange County never got there. I wonder how many > other > records from Orange County dated before 1781 got to Archives? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:02 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > Ava, > An excellent report. I just checked the Guide to Research Materials in > the > > North Carolina State Archives, County Records. and the dates listed for > Marriage Bonds for Orange County were1779-1794. Chowan County has bonds > that start > in 1747 - so it just depends on the county. > > Lynne Belvin > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1815 - Release Date: 11/27/2008 9:02 AM
Don't we have some members that are looking into MO connections? Maybe this news (I saw this on the Dick Eastman newsletter this morning) will be of benefit to them: Jefferson County Newspaper Indexes now Online The following was written by the Jefferson County (Missouri) Library: The Jefferson County Library is proud to announce that they have indexed over 45 years worth of historical Jefferson County newspapers. Articles of genealogical interest pertaining to Jefferson County residents have been included in this database which is now available online at the library website. The indexes may be searched alphabetically within each year or by using the search engine provided to search every year by last name. Currently available are articles dating from 1866 through 1910, with more years to be added. The index also provides the name of the newspaper, the date, the page and column in which the article is found. To access the index, simply log on to the Jefferson County Library website at www.jeffersoncountylibrary.org and follow the link at the bottom of the page to the Genealogy Department. To order copies of the original articles, fee information is provided online or contact the Jefferson County Library, Genealogy Department at (636) 677-8186 ext 332. -- Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. Ellington ITS Data Centers Manager Information Technology Services University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Ava, from what Lynne Belvin says this would suggest to me that Archives didn't receive, didn't microfilm, and didn't index the missing marriage bonds from Orange County. This doesn't explain why the 1752 et seq. Orange County Marriage Bond Index doesn't have entries for the years before 1781 or what has happened to them. I was dealing with land records so I was told land records were buried to keep them from Lord Cornwallis, but marriage bonds may have been buried, or otherwise lost Such things happen. But sometimes searches and questions like yours turn up missing records and I hope that happens this time. According to the Archives website on the subject they have on file statewide marriage bonds from 1747, but maybe the ones before 1781 from Orange County never got there. I wonder how many other records from Orange County dated before 1781 got to Archives? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Ava, An excellent report. I just checked the Guide to Research Materials in the North Carolina State Archives, County Records. and the dates listed for Marriage Bonds for Orange County were1779-1794. Chowan County has bonds that start in 1747 - so it just depends on the county. Lynne Belvin **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Richard: I am a distant member living in Columbia, Missouri. I have access to the State Archives at Jefferson City, Missouri as well as the Western Historical Manuscript Collection here in Columbia, Missouri. I usually get to St. Louis and Kansas City periodically to do research there as well. If members in North Carolina would like me to determine what records might be available in Missouri, I will do my best to help. Walt Meyer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellington Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:23 AM To: D-OGS closed list Subject: [NCDOGS] some Jefferson County, MO newspapers now online Don't we have some members that are looking into MO connections? Maybe this news (I saw this on the Dick Eastman newsletter this morning) will be of benefit to them: Jefferson County Newspaper Indexes now Online The following was written by the Jefferson County (Missouri) Library: The Jefferson County Library is proud to announce that they have indexed over 45 years worth of historical Jefferson County newspapers. Articles of genealogical interest pertaining to Jefferson County residents have been included in this database which is now available online at the library website. The indexes may be searched alphabetically within each year or by using the search engine provided to search every year by last name. Currently available are articles dating from 1866 through 1910, with more years to be added. The index also provides the name of the newspaper, the date, the page and column in which the article is found. To access the index, simply log on to the Jefferson County Library website at www.jeffersoncountylibrary.org and follow the link at the bottom of the page to the Genealogy Department. To order copies of the original articles, fee information is provided online or contact the Jefferson County Library, Genealogy Department at (636) 677-8186 ext 332. -- Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. Ellington ITS Data Centers Manager Information Technology Services University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Oh, so maybe the archivist was giving me incorrect info? We were talking very specifically about Orange County, and he was reading titles to me from what he said were marriage bond microfilm holdings for Orange County, and the dates started in 1752. I will just have to go sometime and find out for sure! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Ava, An excellent report. I just checked the Guide to Research Materials in the North Carolina State Archives, County Records. and the dates listed for Marriage Bonds for Orange County were1779-1794. Chowan County has bonds that start in 1747 - so it just depends on the county. Lynne Belvin **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ava, An excellent report. I just checked the Guide to Research Materials in the North Carolina State Archives, County Records. and the dates listed for Marriage Bonds for Orange County were1779-1794. Chowan County has bonds that start in 1747 - so it just depends on the county. Lynne Belvin **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
Hi, When you visit the State Archives the index to the Marriage bonds are on microfische. You fill out a call slip and they bring the original bond for you to look at and then you can get a copy. The Marriage Registers and Marriage license records are on microfilm. Lynne Belvin **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
Jim, I agree with you completely. Things just don't seem to be making sense. The possibilities are numerous and include me being unfortunate enough to get two inexperienced archivists on duty when I called who gave me some inaccurate information. That is why I've decided to just pursue this when I next get to the archives and can perhaps talk to the most senior archivist and/or take a look at these early bond microfilms myself! It is also certainly possible that LAND records were buried and lost, but marriage bonds were not. I was talking to the archivist specifically about marriage records. And if they indeed have microfilms of the earliest bonds, then they certainly didn't go missing during the Revolutionary War! Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Richmond Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County I was born and raised in Orange County, searched land titles there for a few years, and at that time the Register of Deeds explained, and I had heard it before, that some land records prior to the Revolutionary war were missing because they were buried when Hillsborough was occupied by Cornwallis and his troops. Some of these records were re-recorded from originals after his departure. This may just be another urban legend, like many surrounding his occupation, debunked by modern historians. As I understand what is being said in these e-mails the 1752 et seq. Orange County marriage bond index has no entries of marriage bonds dated before about 1781, that the DOA index of North Carolina's marriage bonds, including Orange County, indicates that marriage bonds from Orange county dated before 1781 were filed, indexed by WPA, microfilmed, but the originals prior to 1781 cannot be found and DOA has no explanation of where they have gotten to. Quite a mystery. If DOA received marriage bonds from Orange County dated before 1781 why aren't they included in the 1752 et seq. Orange County index to marriage bonds? Why are these marriage bonds missing from the Orange County index but indexed and microfilmed by DOA the ones they can't explain why the originals are missing. Are there any clues to what happened when the microfilm of the missing marriage bonds are examined? Or are we left with a situation where there are no Orange County marriage bonds before about 1781 indexed by Orange County or filed, indexed, and microfilmed by DOA? Maybe Cornwallis made off with them after all. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ava H. Nackman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County The reason I piped up here is because I had to do a survey of Orange County marriage records recently as a part of an assignment I was doing for an NGS course I am taking. I spent a day at the vital records office in Hillsborough. Here is what I wrote in my report regarding the earliest marriage records (which were all bonds): Begin quote: While the indexes and photocopied volumes indicated, from their titles, that records began in 1752 (the date of the countys formation), I skimmed the entire first volume of the grooms index and could not locate a single record dated earlier than 1781. There were, however, numerous records for the year 1781 and for all subsequent years, with no obvious lapses after the 1781 date. The records supervisor confirmed that earlier records were extremely sparse, and attributed this to the difficulties of early travel, which resulted in spotty official recording during this time period. She felt, in fact, that the records could not be considered really comprehensive until 1868. While I did not doubt that numerous marriages occurred in earlier years without the benefit of official sanction, I believed that the complete or almost complete absence of records until the sudden appearance of numerous records in 1781 more likely pointed to either the destruction/loss of the earliest records or the absence of official laws regarding the recording of marriage before that point in time. I determined, after a discussion with two archivists at the NC State Archives, that Orange County did not suffer from early record destruction due to burying of records during wars, fires, or other natural disasters. The state of North Carolina did, indeed, require the posting of bonds and the issuance of a license for all marriages from the countys inception. However, these archivists revealed that the NC Archives does hold additional very early records that, for one reason or another, were never included in the indexes, photocopied volumes, or microfiche held at the county Register of Deeds. They have microfilms of marriage bonds for Orange County that do, indeed, cover the 1752-1781 timeframe. However, the oldest original bonds held at the Archives date from 1779. The archivists could not tell me what happened to the originals of the 1752-1778 microfilmed bonds (!). End quote Now, I found this very curious. The microfilm copies (they may have been microfiche -- the archivist said microfilm, but I'm not sure how specific he was being) cannot have been made THAT long ago, so it is pretty amazing that no one tracked the whereabouts of the originals since that time. It is possible that there is a more experienced archivist who is aware of what happened to these early bonds, but the people working when I called had no clue, other than that they are not at the archives. By the way, my entire report is quite extensive. I am sending it in for grading in a day or two. When I get it back I would be happy to give it to DOGS for the website or to Trading Paths, as it might be very helpful to researchers with ancestors in Orange County, particularly people trying to do research long distance. I can't guarantee that it is 100% accurate, but it would give someone a pretty good idea of what records exist, how they are organized, and what information of genealogical value is added to/deleted from them over time. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellington Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Am I really sure? No, I am not at all sure that this index is that complete. That is merely the title, as far as I am concerned. I have heard that there are a few marriages registered in the originating counties (Bladen, Granville & Johnston) after 1752 because it was more convenient for folks to go where they had gone to do their governmental duties before the creation of Orange County. According to the NCGENWEB site for Orange, marriage bonds issued prior to 1779 are no longer extant, but I don't know that for sure. - Richard Ava H. Nackman wrote: > Richard, > Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am > curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in > Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from > before 1781. > > Marty, > I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have > microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the > originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists > there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more > experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. > Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. > > Ava > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > Richard, > > I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am > particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. > > Ann Myhre > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > > Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange > County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are > looking for, I will check the indexes. > > - Richard > > > Jack Ricketts wrote: >> I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have > the >> name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? >> >> TIA >> Jack Ricketts >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> Hello Ava, >>> >>> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >>> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >>> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >>> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives > & >>> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did > you >>> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >>> >>> >>> martydar >>> >>> >>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >>> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >>> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I > could >>> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >>> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >>> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed > in >>> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that > date >>> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >>> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept > in >>> that year that just weren't collected before then? >>> >>> >>> >>> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >>> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I > was >>> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >>> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >>> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some > idea. >>> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ava >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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I was born and raised in Orange County, searched land titles there for a few years, and at that time the Register of Deeds explained, and I had heard it before, that some land records prior to the Revolutionary war were missing because they were buried when Hillsborough was occupied by Cornwallis and his troops. Some of these records were re-recorded from originals after his departure. This may just be another urban legend, like many surrounding his occupation, debunked by modern historians. As I understand what is being said in these e-mails the 1752 et seq. Orange County marriage bond index has no entries of marriage bonds dated before about 1781, that the DOA index of North Carolina's marriage bonds, including Orange County, indicates that marriage bonds from Orange county dated before 1781 were filed, indexed by WPA, microfilmed, but the originals prior to 1781 cannot be found and DOA has no explanation of where they have gotten to. Quite a mystery. If DOA received marriage bonds from Orange County dated before 1781 why aren't they included in the 1752 et seq. Orange County index to marriage bonds? Why are these marriage bonds missing from the Orange County index but indexed and microfilmed by DOA the ones they can't explain why the originals are missing. Are there any clues to what happened when the microfilm of the missing marriage bonds are examined? Or are we left with a situation where there are no Orange County marriage bonds before about 1781 indexed by Orange County or filed, indexed, and microfilmed by DOA? Maybe Cornwallis made off with them after all. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ava H. Nackman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County The reason I piped up here is because I had to do a survey of Orange County marriage records recently as a part of an assignment I was doing for an NGS course I am taking. I spent a day at the vital records office in Hillsborough. Here is what I wrote in my report regarding the earliest marriage records (which were all bonds): Begin quote: While the indexes and photocopied volumes indicated, from their titles, that records began in 1752 (the date of the countys formation), I skimmed the entire first volume of the grooms index and could not locate a single record dated earlier than 1781. There were, however, numerous records for the year 1781 and for all subsequent years, with no obvious lapses after the 1781 date. The records supervisor confirmed that earlier records were extremely sparse, and attributed this to the difficulties of early travel, which resulted in spotty official recording during this time period. She felt, in fact, that the records could not be considered really comprehensive until 1868. While I did not doubt that numerous marriages occurred in earlier years without the benefit of official sanction, I believed that the complete or almost complete absence of records until the sudden appearance of numerous records in 1781 more likely pointed to either the destruction/loss of the earliest records or the absence of official laws regarding the recording of marriage before that point in time. I determined, after a discussion with two archivists at the NC State Archives, that Orange County did not suffer from early record destruction due to burying of records during wars, fires, or other natural disasters. The state of North Carolina did, indeed, require the posting of bonds and the issuance of a license for all marriages from the countys inception. However, these archivists revealed that the NC Archives does hold additional very early records that, for one reason or another, were never included in the indexes, photocopied volumes, or microfiche held at the county Register of Deeds. They have microfilms of marriage bonds for Orange County that do, indeed, cover the 1752-1781 timeframe. However, the oldest original bonds held at the Archives date from 1779. The archivists could not tell me what happened to the originals of the 1752-1778 microfilmed bonds (!). End quote Now, I found this very curious. The microfilm copies (they may have been microfiche -- the archivist said microfilm, but I'm not sure how specific he was being) cannot have been made THAT long ago, so it is pretty amazing that no one tracked the whereabouts of the originals since that time. It is possible that there is a more experienced archivist who is aware of what happened to these early bonds, but the people working when I called had no clue, other than that they are not at the archives. By the way, my entire report is quite extensive. I am sending it in for grading in a day or two. When I get it back I would be happy to give it to DOGS for the website or to Trading Paths, as it might be very helpful to researchers with ancestors in Orange County, particularly people trying to do research long distance. I can't guarantee that it is 100% accurate, but it would give someone a pretty good idea of what records exist, how they are organized, and what information of genealogical value is added to/deleted from them over time. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellington Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Am I really sure? No, I am not at all sure that this index is that complete. That is merely the title, as far as I am concerned. I have heard that there are a few marriages registered in the originating counties (Bladen, Granville & Johnston) after 1752 because it was more convenient for folks to go where they had gone to do their governmental duties before the creation of Orange County. According to the NCGENWEB site for Orange, marriage bonds issued prior to 1779 are no longer extant, but I don't know that for sure. - Richard Ava H. Nackman wrote: > Richard, > Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am > curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in > Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from > before 1781. > > Marty, > I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have > microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the > originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists > there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more > experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. > Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. > > Ava > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > Richard, > > I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am > particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. > > Ann Myhre > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > > Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange > County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are > looking for, I will check the indexes. > > - Richard > > > Jack Ricketts wrote: >> I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have > the >> name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? >> >> TIA >> Jack Ricketts >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> Hello Ava, >>> >>> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >>> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >>> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >>> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives > & >>> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did > you >>> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >>> >>> >>> martydar >>> >>> >>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >>> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >>> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I > could >>> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >>> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >>> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed > in >>> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that > date >>> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >>> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept > in >>> that year that just weren't collected before then? >>> >>> >>> >>> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >>> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I > was >>> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >>> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >>> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some > idea. >>> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ava >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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Or more expensive! The reason I am bothering to deal with all of the local vital records depositories is that they charge $25 per record at the state level. The local fees are generally $10 or $15 per record. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Getting a Death Certificate Ava, that data would make an interesting spreadsheet - roadmap - for your web site to help guide other NJ researchers through the thickets of civil functionaries. Some newbies would probably be grateful for the news that they're not alone in the wilderness. It's too bad that the local level people are so disparate in their approach to civil records, the folks at the NJ State Archives couldn't be nicer or more helpful. Carol **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ava, that data would make an interesting spreadsheet - roadmap - for your web site to help guide other NJ researchers through the thickets of civil functionaries. Some newbies would probably be grateful for the news that they're not alone in the wilderness. It's too bad that the local level people are so disparate in their approach to civil records, the folks at the NJ State Archives couldn't be nicer or more helpful. Carol **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
This is simply an email sharing my frustrations at the hoops you now need to jump through to get a copy of a relative's death certificate. Thought fellow genealogists would be sympathetic. I have been trying to get a copy of my grandparents' death certificates in New Jersey. Boy, does NJ have problems! Getting any records from the state is extremely expensive ($25 a record), so I have been trying to deal with the local vital records offices. It seems that each one has its own, unique set of requirements that they seem to make up on the fly, despite there being official state rules on this. One office totally refuses to send any record to any relative other than the child of the deceased. If you happen to be a grandchild and no children are surviving you are out of luck. Another office told me that having a copy of my father's death certificate (which names me, the informant, as his daughter, and, of course, names his mother) is not good enough proof that I am the granddaughter of my grandmother. Apparently, they think I provided erroneous information for my father's 2004 certificate as part of a nefarious plot to, four years later, get my hands on my grandmother's 1972 death certificate. Hmmmm... In order to send me the certificate in question they demanded that I provide ALL of the following (I kid you not): my birth certificate, my marriage certificate, my driver's license, a recent bill showing the same name and address as on my driver's license, my father's death certificate, and another document linking my father to his mother (birth certificate, military service records, etc). Not to mention the check. Office number three (luckily the above town turned out to be the wrong one for my grandmother - she died just over the border in the next town) had no problem with me being the informant on my father's death certificate. All they wanted was that certificate, my birth record, and my driver's license. BUT, they wouldn't accept these items with a check and a letter. I had to first go through a formal application process. On the other hand, I have gotten another grandparent's death certificate ( as well as my mother's birth certificate, death records for two great grandparents, and numerous other records) from a fourth town. As long as I sent a copy of my driver's license, they would give me anything my little heart desired. BUT no checks are acceptable for them - it has to be a money order. I think I am going to start keeping notes - this could be a great comedy routine for the next DOGS birthday party. J Ava
Are the records only for the surnames listed? Brock -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellington Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:43 PM To: D-OGS closed list Subject: [NCDOGS] surname BRANNICK/BRANOCK/BRANIC/BRANICK We have received a package of very interesting material on the BRANNICK family from Darrell Hamlin of Tacoma, WA. I don't believe that Darrell is a member of D-OGS but I am glad that he thought of us. The package includes info on this family with: - Osage Land Trust grants - Confederate & Union service records & materials - census records - Osage Indian info - newspaper clipping copies If anyone is interested in having this material for reference, please let me know. -- Richard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. Ellington ITS Data Centers Manager Information Technology Services University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Will you do lookups for me? These are the names I am searching: John Buckingham m. Margery Piggott 1754 Benjamin Piggott m. Mary Hadley 1757 Jeremiah Piggott m. Rachel Maynor 1765 Nathan Pike m. Elizabeth Williams 1769 William Hinshaw m. Mary Hinshaw 1771 Thomas Brown m. Jane Adams 1772 John Piggott m. Hannah Vestal 1774 Jacob Beeson m. Margaret Sharpe 1776 Joseph McPherson m. Abigail Piggott 1776 Francis Jones m. Agness Thompson 1789 Johnston Jones m. Nancy Ball 1790 Richard Fausett m. Mary McKee 1792 William Piggott m. Sarah Jackson 1792 Joel Brown m. Ann Barnes 1792 Thomas Jones m. Margaret Marshall 1797 Thomas Lindley m. Margery Piggott 1798 William Stout m. Anne Moon 1801 Jonathan Mills m. Sarah Holiday 1807 Simon Moon m. Hannah Stout 1807 George W. Moon m. Sarah Hobson 1808 Thomas Hinshaw m. Ann Moon 1809 John Stout m. Elizabeth Moon 1809 Thomas Stout m. Rachel Moon 1813 William Piggott m. Sarah Thompson 1814 Thanks! Robin Marshall Richard Ellington <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 12/10/2008 02:57 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are looking for, I will check the indexes. - Richard Jack Ricketts wrote: > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have the > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > TIA > Jack Ricketts > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Ava, >> >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives & >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did you >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >> >> >> martydar >> >> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I could >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed in >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that date >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept in >> that year that just weren't collected before then? >> >> >> >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I was >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >> >> >> >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some idea. >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ava >>
The reason I piped up here is because I had to do a survey of Orange County marriage records recently as a part of an assignment I was doing for an NGS course I am taking. I spent a day at the vital records office in Hillsborough. Here is what I wrote in my report regarding the earliest marriage records (which were all bonds): Begin quote: While the indexes and photocopied volumes indicated, from their titles, that records began in 1752 (the date of the countys formation), I skimmed the entire first volume of the grooms index and could not locate a single record dated earlier than 1781. There were, however, numerous records for the year 1781 and for all subsequent years, with no obvious lapses after the 1781 date. The records supervisor confirmed that earlier records were extremely sparse, and attributed this to the difficulties of early travel, which resulted in spotty official recording during this time period. She felt, in fact, that the records could not be considered really comprehensive until 1868. While I did not doubt that numerous marriages occurred in earlier years without the benefit of official sanction, I believed that the complete or almost complete absence of records until the sudden appearance of numerous records in 1781 more likely pointed to either the destruction/loss of the earliest records or the absence of official laws regarding the recording of marriage before that point in time. I determined, after a discussion with two archivists at the NC State Archives, that Orange County did not suffer from early record destruction due to burying of records during wars, fires, or other natural disasters. The state of North Carolina did, indeed, require the posting of bonds and the issuance of a license for all marriages from the countys inception. However, these archivists revealed that the NC Archives does hold additional very early records that, for one reason or another, were never included in the indexes, photocopied volumes, or microfiche held at the county Register of Deeds. They have microfilms of marriage bonds for Orange County that do, indeed, cover the 1752-1781 timeframe. However, the oldest original bonds held at the Archives date from 1779. The archivists could not tell me what happened to the originals of the 1752-1778 microfilmed bonds (!). End quote Now, I found this very curious. The microfilm copies (they may have been microfiche -- the archivist said microfilm, but I'm not sure how specific he was being) cannot have been made THAT long ago, so it is pretty amazing that no one tracked the whereabouts of the originals since that time. It is possible that there is a more experienced archivist who is aware of what happened to these early bonds, but the people working when I called had no clue, other than that they are not at the archives. By the way, my entire report is quite extensive. I am sending it in for grading in a day or two. When I get it back I would be happy to give it to DOGS for the website or to Trading Paths, as it might be very helpful to researchers with ancestors in Orange County, particularly people trying to do research long distance. I can't guarantee that it is 100% accurate, but it would give someone a pretty good idea of what records exist, how they are organized, and what information of genealogical value is added to/deleted from them over time. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellington Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Am I really sure? No, I am not at all sure that this index is that complete. That is merely the title, as far as I am concerned. I have heard that there are a few marriages registered in the originating counties (Bladen, Granville & Johnston) after 1752 because it was more convenient for folks to go where they had gone to do their governmental duties before the creation of Orange County. According to the NCGENWEB site for Orange, marriage bonds issued prior to 1779 are no longer extant, but I don't know that for sure. - Richard Ava H. Nackman wrote: > Richard, > Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am > curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in > Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from > before 1781. > > Marty, > I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have > microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the > originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists > there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more > experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. > Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. > > Ava > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > Richard, > > I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am > particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. > > Ann Myhre > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > > Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange > County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are > looking for, I will check the indexes. > > - Richard > > > Jack Ricketts wrote: >> I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have > the >> name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? >> >> TIA >> Jack Ricketts >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> Hello Ava, >>> >>> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >>> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >>> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >>> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives > & >>> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did > you >>> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >>> >>> >>> martydar >>> >>> >>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >>> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >>> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I > could >>> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >>> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >>> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed > in >>> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that > date >>> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >>> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept > in >>> that year that just weren't collected before then? >>> >>> >>> >>> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >>> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I > was >>> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >>> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >>> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some > idea. >>> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ava >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. Ellington ITS Data Centers Manager Information Technology Services University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 440 W. Franklin St., CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1150 Control Center - http://control-center.unc.edu 919-698-8591 (voice) 919-843-9153 (fax) [email protected] "We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job". -Winston Churchill =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ************************* Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Richard, Thanks. Would you check for any Ricketts and Ray in the index? Our Ricketts left North Carolina to Tennessee before 1830. Jack On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Richard Ellington < [email protected]> wrote: > Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange > County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are > looking for, I will check the indexes. > > - Richard > > > Jack Ricketts wrote: > > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have > the > > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > > > TIA > > Jack Ricketts > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> Hello Ava, > >> > >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage > >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records > I > >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of > >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC > Archives & > >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did > you > >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty > gujda > >> > >> > >> martydar > >> > >> > >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> > >> > >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street > >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while > the > >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I > could > >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of > it) > >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for > >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed > in > >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that > date > >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did > laws > >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept > in > >> that year that just weren't collected before then? > >> > >> > >> > >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did > appear > >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I > was > >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are > registers > >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? > >> > >> > >> > >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but > >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some > idea. > >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. > >> > >> > >> > >> Many thanks, > >> > >> Ava > >> > >> ************************* > >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> > >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/memquery.html> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/memquery.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************* > >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> > >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/memquery.html> > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/memquery.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ************************* > > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> > > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/memquery.html> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > > Richard K. 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Am I really sure? No, I am not at all sure that this index is that complete. That is merely the title, as far as I am concerned. I have heard that there are a few marriages registered in the originating counties (Bladen, Granville & Johnston) after 1752 because it was more convenient for folks to go where they had gone to do their governmental duties before the creation of Orange County. According to the NCGENWEB site for Orange, marriage bonds issued prior to 1779 are no longer extant, but I don't know that for sure. - Richard Ava H. Nackman wrote: > Richard, > Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am > curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in > Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from > before 1781. > > Marty, > I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have > microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the > originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists > there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more > experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. > Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. > > Ava > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > Richard, > > I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am > particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. > > Ann Myhre > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County > > > Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange > County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are > looking for, I will check the indexes. > > - Richard > > > Jack Ricketts wrote: >> I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have > the >> name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? >> >> TIA >> Jack Ricketts >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> Hello Ava, >>> >>> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >>> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >>> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >>> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives > & >>> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did > you >>> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >>> >>> >>> martydar >>> >>> >>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >>> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >>> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I > could >>> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >>> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >>> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed > in >>> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that > date >>> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >>> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept > in >>> that year that just weren't collected before then? >>> >>> >>> >>> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >>> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I > was >>> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >>> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >>> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some > idea. >>> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ava >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************* >>> Visit the D-OGS web site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >>> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd > ogs/memquery.html> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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It might be helpful to Google North Carolina Marriage Bonds, which will take you to the North Carolina Department of Archives website on the subject. Marriage bonds were posted in the bride's county of residence by the groom prior to an impending marriage to guarantee there was no legal impediment to the marriage. Archives has thousands of these bonds from all over the state which it has indexed - a master index. Some counties are missing but not Orange. It was not until the 19th century marriage certificates were filed with the bond. Another document is the Orange County index to its bonds. Since the County was founded in 1752 that may be why the index is so dated. Some early Orange County records were lost and never made it to Archives. Archives may or may not have the bond but the master index should let you know whether they have it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ava H. Nackman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:09 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from before 1781. Marty, I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. Ann Myhre Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are looking for, I will check the indexes. - Richard Jack Ricketts wrote: > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have the > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > TIA > Jack Ricketts > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Ava, >> >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives & >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did you >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >> >> >> martydar >> >> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I could >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed in >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that date >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept in >> that year that just weren't collected before then? >> >> >> >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I was >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >> >> >> >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some idea. >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ava >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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Good Luck Ava, Hope you find what you need. I do have several marr. records of DUNNAGANS and can help a little if you tell me what you need. Or is it just a routine search?? marty martydar --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:09 PM Richard, Are you really sure that there ARE 1752 marriages in that index? I am curious, because the indexes that they had at the Vital Records Office in Hillsborough were LABELLED 1752-, but did not in actuality contain much from before 1781. Marty, I did speak to archivists in Raleigh, and they indicated that they did have microfilms of the earliest marriages, back to 1752, but did NOT have the originals of the very early ones. I found this odd, but the two archivists there at the time had no idea what had become of them. Perhaps the more experienced archivists who might know weren't around to ask at that time. Next time I am there I hope to pursue this a bit further. Ava -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Richard, I'm not Jack, but would you look for male Bells before 1780 for me. I am particularly interested in Robert Bell, born in 1736. Thanks. Ann Myhre Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ellington <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:57:42 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County Jack, I have a printed copy of the bride & groom indexes for Orange County from 1752-2004. If you will send me a list of the names you are looking for, I will check the indexes. - Richard Jack Ricketts wrote: > I haven't been able to find a listing of this on microfiche. Do you have the > name or number so I can look it up on familysearch.org? > > TIA > Jack Ricketts > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Martha Gujda <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Ava, >> >> The LDS church (Mormons) Family HIstory Centers have all the Marriage >> Bonds from N.C. from very early dates. (1752) I found all the records I >> need from those. They are on Micro-fische and are filed by last name of >> Groom & also by Brides. I understand they got these from the NC Archives & >> History Library. So,,,, they should be at the Library in Raleigh. Did you >> ask for the assistance of a genealogist who was on duty?? marty gujda >> >> >> martydar >> >> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ava H. Nackman <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NCDOGS] Question Re Marriage Records in Orange County >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:25 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I recently spent some time at the Register of Deeds on Churton Street >> surveying the marriage records for the county. I noticed that, while the >> indexes and volumes holding the oldest records are dated from 1752, I could >> not find a single entry in the 1752-1911 index (I searched about ½ of it) >> for a record earlier than 1781. However, there are numerous records for >> 1781 and subsequently. I know that Orange County was originally formed in >> 1752. Does anyone know if records were actually being kept from that date >> and all records earlier than 1781 somehow lost or destroyed? Or did laws >> change around the 1781 timeframe that resulted in new records being kept in >> that year that just weren't collected before then? >> >> >> >> Similarly, while marriage bonds (and a rare license or return) did appear >> from 1781, the earliest marriage register (with copied returns) that I was >> able to find is dated from 1851. Does anyone know if there are registers >> extant for the time period 1781-1850? >> >> >> >> I can try to call the NC Archives in Raleigh to find out tomorrow, but >> thought someone in D-OGS who is doing local research might have some idea. >> The OC deputy registrar didn't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ava >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ************************* >> Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encdogs/> >> Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encd ogs/memquery.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ************************* > Visit the D-OGS web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/ > Please post all queries using the D-OGS query form: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdogs/memquery.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Richard K. 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