In a message dated 6/14/02 1:05:36 PM, bdhunter@netins.net writes: << This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: RICE, NUNN, COLLIER, WINDSOR, BOWMAN, GOOCH, PRYOR HICKMAN, OLDHAM, GWYN, DEBOW, SCOBY, HORTON, STONE, MAYFIELD, FRYETTE, GENTRY, and GOOCH WILLIAMS. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RSB.2ACE/1635 Message Board Post: Common Surnames: RICE, NUNN, COLLIER, WINDSOR, BOWMAN, GOOCH, PRYOR HICKMAN, OLDHAM, GWYN, DEBOW, SCOBY, HORTON, STONE, MAYFIELD, FRYETTE, GENTRY, and GOOCH WILLIAMS. General Locations: New Kent or Hanover County Virginia, Mecklenburg, Virginia, Amherst Co. Virginia, Huntsville, Madison, Alabama, Randolph County, Alabama, Fairfield, South Carolina, Caswell, North Carolina, Orange, County, North Carolina, Williamson, County, Tennessee, Grainger County Tennessee, Crockett County, Tennessee, Davidson County, Tennessee, Jackson Georgia, Hartville, Wright County, Missouri. THOMAS RICE & FAMILY: ONE-TIME SHERIFF OF CASWELL, NORTH CAROLINA: WHAT IS HIS HEIRATGE? WHICH RICE FAMILY LINE IS IT: MASSACHUSETTS OR VIRGINIA? THOMAS RICE, B. ABOUT 1732, AT NEW KENT OR HANOVER CO. VIRGINIA, D. 1805, CASWELL NORTH CAROLINA, MARRIED MARCY. Over the years, I have gathered books, bought family CD’s, looked up records, and today I am just as confused as when I started my Rice family research! Over time I became painfully aware that an ancestor of mine, Thomas Rice, was not part of the family line of Edmund Rice, of Massachusetts. This after connecting my Rice family line to the wrong Virginia Rice family, which lead me back too the Massachusetts’ Edmund Rice family, and because of this mistake all the years of research I have done on the Massachusetts Rice families is all useless to me now. There is a lot of confusion about the linking Thomas Rice, of Caswell, North Carolina, who married Marcy, with the Thomas Rice, born at Sudbury, Massachusetts, who married Joyce. If one connects their research to this Sudbury, Massachusetts, Rice family it will lead ones research directly back to the family of Deacon Edmund Rice of Massachusetts. Although, some of the descendants of Edmund Rice did eventually migrate to Virginia, this is a totally different and independent Rice family line that migrated to Virginia long after my Rice family did. It is because of this common ground that many researchers such as me unintentionally combine the two lines. I have always known that if one will trace their Rice family heritage back far enough you will end up in one of the two Rice family lines, either in the Massachusetts or Virginia Rice family lines. With time, I have come to understand, that at this time there was at least two separate Rice family lines in Virginia at the ver! y same time, one Rice family line which is my Rice family line, who is not part of the Edmund Rice family, and the other Rice family line which is. I am sure this problem is some kind of mixture of both of the Massachusetts and Virginia Rice family lines, but my biggest problem is; that in most of the popular research of today, that I have seen my ancestor is listed in both camps! One author or researcher will state that my Rice family ancestor belongs to the Massachusetts Rice’s, while the next will say, oh no, he belongs to the Virginia Rice family. I have plenty of documentation to attest to this ancestor, Thomas Rice, in census, land, marriage, and will records, a long with many references by good authors. This Thomas Rice was a Sheriff of Caswell County, North Carolina, before 1789, and died there as well. Because I believe it is at this precise point with this Thomas Rice that I go off the bead, so to speak, with my Rice family research, I would like to focus my questions in regard to this Thomas Rice, his family and anc estors. I am big on sources, but I do hope you will think that you have the knowled! ge about this Rice family line to help straighten me out? Sincerely, Berna David Hunter bdhunter@netins.net Gravette, AR. >> Hello Berna, I have not seen a response to your query, so I will attempt to provide you with some information regarding this one Thomas Rice family. I am a descendant of Rebecca Rice Windsor, daughter of the Thomas Rice who was often referred to has Thomas (CB) Rice because he resided on Cabbin Branch in Caswell County. When he died he did not mention a wife in his will, which indicated that she had predeceased him. I have never seen a document which named his wife as Marcey, although he did have a daughter by that name. Some confusion exists in the records of Caswell for Thomas Rice, as there were two who had arrived somewhat simulaneously, both from Hanover County, Va. The second Thomas Rice was referred to as Thomas Rice, Esq. I personally have not determined which one of the two was the sheriff of Caswell. I have seen two DAR applications which have entered our Thomas Rice as a sheriff, and as a soldier in the NC Revolutionary forces which would have given him both civil and military service credit. The records of Hanover County are essentially non-existant for the time period under consideration, so it is difficult to document all that is proposed for these two. There was a much earlier Thomas Rice and his wife, Marcey, who owned a small plantation in what is now the lower part of Hanover County, Va. He left his family to return England to claim an inheritance, and was never heard from. His grandson, the Rev. David Rice left a published volume in which he accounted this story of the elder Thomas' fate, and recorded the children of the couple. The volume can be found in the Library of Congress in Washington, DC, and was published in 1824. It is believed that Thomas (CB) Rice was a son of John Rice, born18 September 1698, primarily because Thomas named his eldest son, John. Thomas also had a brother, John Rice, who had accompanied him to settle in Caswell. This John was sometimes referred to as "Old John" to distinguish him from Thomas' son. The other Thomas is thought to be a son of Thomas Rice, born 24 June 1689; and thus considered to be first cousins, as their fathers would have been brothers. This Thomas was married twice; and had a propensity for naming his children with names beginning with the letter "Z". I am not sure that this gives you the exact information which you were seeking. If you have further questions, I will be glad to offer some additional assistance, if I feel competent to do so. Below is some additional discussion regarding the original Rice of our line here on the American Continent. Best regards, John Fox Winston Salem, NC RICE-SOUTHERN-L Archives From: Sharon Barnes <barnes@lclark.edu> Subject: Re: [Rice-Southern-L] Hezekiah Rice and Mary Bullock Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Hi John, Your reasoning makes a lot of sense. The information I have is somewhat speculative from >From The Rice Family 1680 to 1793 compiled by William Gunn Calhoun 1973, p. 3. We would be thrilled if you could find some collaborating information. Thanks, Sharon, 10ggd [I think] Thomas Rice On Mon, 1 May 2000 rdragon@swbell.net wrote: > Sharon > > I have heard about the "connection" of a Stephen Rice, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. > The biggest problem is that if this were so, Thomas Rice would have been received > with much attention. He would have been in the highest social circles in Virginia > and received by the Governor and all this would have been recorded in several > places. The other problem with this proof is that Thomas Rice did not name his > first child after his father and the name of Stephen has not been passed down > through the generations. > > I will try and find the Lord Lt's of Ireland and if there was a Stephen Rice that > held such an exalted office. > > I will be in London in about a month and will check with sources there. > > What book published this genealogy? > > Cheers > > John Rice 11ggs of Thomas Rice > > > > Sharon Barnes wrote: > > > Hi, I also have this citation on Hezekiah or Hezekial: > > >From The Rice Family 1680 to 1793 compiled by William Gunn Calhoun 1973 > > p. 3 > > Thomas Rice > > "Stephen Rice, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, had sons Thomas, > > Hezekial and Ibjan who migrated to Hanover County, Virginia when it was a > > colony." We are inclined to believe that the above Thomas is our first > > known ancestor. Another source tells us, "Thomas Rice, the emigrant 1680 > > had nine sons and three daughters. His son David Married Susannah Searcy > > and had David, 'The Apostle to Kentucky' who married Mary Blair in 1762." > > Based upon this we know that the line of descent is direct. > > > > >From Genesis in Virginia: Exodus to Illinois compiled by Christine Rogers > > Rice, 1995. > > pp. 2-3 > > "Thomas Rice first appeared in county records of New Kent in > > Colonial Virginia in 1686, and by the start of the 18th Century he can be > > found in land records of both Hanover and Gloucester Counties of that > > state. He is thought to have come from Shirementon Bristol in the British > > Isles and to be of the Welsh family known as Rhys, descendants of > > chieftain kings of the 7th and 8th centuries. > > "Tradition says that Thomas Rice and a brother, Hezekiah, fled > > to Virginia about 1685 as a result of the rebellion against King James. > > One story that concerns Thomas is that earlier in England an old man named > > Rice died with only a daughter to survive him. He left his estate to her > > providing that she promised never to change her name. Later upon marriage, > > her spouse took the name Rice. It was this mother's property that Thomas > > Rice, then of Virginia, returned to claim upon his mother's death. > > "Thomas was never heard from again and several very early > > documents attest to Thomas' disappearance if not the rest of the story. > > His brother Hezekiah was said to have been murdered when returning from > > Jamestown, Virginia, where he had gone to sell his tobacco crop. Each man > > left several children and was an ancestor of many residents of the South. > > "The Sarver Collection of genealogical material in the State > > Archives of Tennessee contains a document which states that Thomas Rice > > was a physician, but his famous grandson, David Rice, does not mention > > that Thomas was of that profession. Thomas' wife was named Marcy, some say > > her maiden name was Hewes. Her given name is sometimes written Marie or > > Mary, varied interpretations of ancient manuscripts. The family has > > carried down Marcy through family nomenclature which seems to indicate > > that it is correct. Baptismal records dating from 1685 to 1702 can be > > found for some of Thomas Rice's children. These parish records are from > > St. Peter's of New Kent." > > > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 Ricesouthern@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > > In the February archives of Rice-Southern <A > > > HREF="http://archiver.rootsweb.com/RICE-SOUTHERN-L/" >http://archiver.rootsweb. > > > com/RICE-SOUTHERN-L/</A> there are some messages regarding Hezekiah b. 1729 > > > d. 1746 m. Mary Bullock. They state he was th son of Benejah b. 1710 d. 1745 > > > and Mary. Benejah is named as a son of William Rice and his wife Elisabeth > > > in his will proved in Hanover County, VA in 1734. William is thought to be a > > > son of Thomas and Marcey. > > > I have never seen Hezekiah Rice listed as a son of Thomas and Marcey, > > > however I did read in GENESIS IN VIRGINIA by Christine Rogers Rice published > > > privately,1995, Carbondale, IL there is a legend Thomas who m. Marcey fled > > > to America because of a rebellion against King James with a brother named > > > Hezekiah who was murdered when returning from Jamestown where he sold some > > > tobacco. She cites her source as MORE ABOUT THOSE RICES by Elsie Hawes Smith, > > > Meador Press, Boston, MA, 1954, pp. 105-107. Is anyone familar with Ms. > > > Smith's book? If Thomas did have a brother named Hezekiah, possibly some of > > > these children everyone tries to link to Thomas and Marcey could belong to > > > Hezekiah. I think I have seen at least 25 different children shown for this > > > couple and the only ones I can definitely link on those whose names are shown > > > in the parish records of St. Peter's Parish and David who is named in Rev. > > > David Rice's Memoirs. There also is supposed to be a letter written by a > > > ggrandson of Thomas which names the children, however I have been unable to > > > get all the details on this letter. > > > Have any of you ever heard of Thomas' brother named Hezekiah or have any > > > details on this letter naming Thomas and Marcy's children? > > > Martha > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Free Web space. ANY amount. 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